I lightened the Video and slowed it down
#55A ( Which male has a white shirt and Khaki pants? )
#55 Their are four people or two teams in this picture
#56
#57 Brian or Gregg"Watch Out beepbeepbeep " I think they swerve to miss the Ostrich
#58
#59
#60
#61 There are 5 people in this shot far right looks like Brian to me ,second from the right could be Gregg? Then we have one person laying down , someone kneeling next to that person and to the left someone walking towards the wreck .This is as a team passes by , its a view from their jeep most likely .Female/ Kelly? :"They flipped their Jeep" Male Lynn? : OMG are you OK?
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I know this isn't the Contender thread, but Najhy (sp?) is the one who committed suicide before the season started to air. The last episode was dedicated in his memory. Najhy already lost before he committed suicide. A boxer does come back after another boxer was diagnosed with chicken pox. The doctor wouldn't allow him to compete since he had a contagious disease, so he was forced to quit. To replace him, the remaining boxers had to vote for one of three boxers that had already lost. I believe they all voted for the tall boxer. I really don't know which guy it was, since I missed the first couple of episodes. The show is getting interesting however. I've got this Tivo'd now.

LAST EDITED ON 03-24-05 AT 09:43 AM (EST)

The brothers are fine. They just had a party with Jonathan.
http://www.jonathanbakerandvictoriafuller.com/gallery.php?id=32

Does that mean they didn't win the race? Usually the winners are a bit more low key, aren't they?

We already know who wins the race and it's not the brothers?

What's that around his waist? a back supporter? back injury?

It looks like his backpack.

LAST EDITED ON 03-25-05 AT 11:45 PM (EST)

I just realize that all the tasks in the preview come from a single leg. When the editor edited for leg #5, he didn't know that CBS will combine two episodes and make a two-hour special. The preview at the end of each leg is usually for the next leg. What the editor should do is go to the end of leg #5 and cut out the preview of leg #6 and show us. By the time he realizes it, it's too late now.

Take a look at the map below.

After they land in Johannesburg International airport, they'll go to a route marker and grab the Fast Forward (FF).
The FF is the cooling tower in Soweto.
If the teams can't do a FF, then they have to do the cave Detour which is in the Gold Reef City. There're hundreds of gold mines in the area. The Detour can't be far from the FF. They have to do the Detour & the Roadblock in one day so they can't travel far like 100 miles or 12 hours.
In South Africa, there are many game reserves too. The close one is the Krugersdorp Game Reserve.
It's not safe at night in South Africa so the pitstop should be back in Johannesburg.
Can they beg in South Africa?

So what's leg #6? I don't know.

There's a possibility that it's all from Leg 6 though. Leg 5 is most likely a non-elimination (therefore the bunching), and London will seem very out of place if the teams head out to Botswana and then to India right after that according to the Romber Flight Spoiler. (Opening Sequence Spoilers have never failed us before.)

Let's see if we get any previews that tell us the other location.

LAST EDITED ON 03-26-05 AT 04:19 PM (EST)

leg #6
VO: In Africa, the teams face to face with some hungry lions.
man deep voice: I'm not making eye contact with anybody.

200.
201.
202. Kelly
203.
204. Ron, Greg, Ray/Deana are in this truck
205.
206. Kelly?
207. feeding time
208. Uchenna
209. Romber's jacket behind Uchenna
210.

Well, now I'm confused. You need to give us some additional information, banzai. How do you know that that particular footage is from Leg #6? Does that mean that all previous footage in this thread is indeed from Leg #5?

I'm having a hard time coming to terms with the structure of the double episode. Based on the TV guide listings, this is two episodes packed into one - a nonelimination followed by an elimination episode most probably. The rumored locations are what is giving me a true headache. The opening credits seem to hint that the teams will spend some time in England (and perhaps Turkey?). However, another spoiler out there unequivocally states that the teams are headed to a location in the Himalayas immediately after South Africa/Botswana. I might be able to buy backtracking to the Turkey (although even that would be tough to swallow), but if the latter spoiler is true, Leg #5 should take place in England. The itinerary simply isn't making sense right now. Can someone pass an aspirin please?

Aardvark at Gweta, Botswana
thanks to Dreamer vidcap & krazidali

So I was wrong that the preview is only for S. Africa. Oh well ! Sorry, everyone.

Gretchen's head wound looks bad, but according to the newest rumor (which I believe myself due to all the evidence I found to back it up)they should be in the Final 3! Surprised? I was...

but according to the newest rumor (which I believe myself due to all the evidence I found to back it up) they should be in the Final 3! Surprised? I was.....

I am not one to flame Amazing Racer, but how can you post a statement like the one above omiting "all of the evidence to back it up". If you have stumbled onto information that leads you to believe that Team AARP makes the final three, then let's hear it??? You most certainly cannot expect everyone to blindly follow without any facts, just because you believe it.

When you make statements like that in the spoiler thread, you need to be forthcoming with the info.....so, let's hear it.

The first thing we need to determine does the 29 March episode include one or two legs? Leg 5 from Buenos Aires to Johannesburg, South Africa and Leg 6 From Johannesburg to Botswana? Or is this only a double length leg 5 as was the double length (to be continued) leg in Eger and Budapest, Hungary?

If we have two legs does that mean two Detours and Two Roadblocks, two pit stops, and a Fast Forward? The Fast Forward seems to be the walk over the cooling towers in Soweto. We also have the cave crawl, feeding the lions in Lion Park, all of which could be in South Africa around Johannesburg. First pit stop and NEL could end up in Johannesburg which would be a little safer at night for the teams and crew.

The teams seem to travel through the Lion Park in trucks with more than one team in them.

The next leg could be in Botswana at one of the game reserves around Gweta where we have spotted the large stone statue of the Aardvark. Which brings up another curious thing which no one seems to have focused on. What is the role of the yellow biplane which buzzes over at least two teams running on the road and then continues over the Aardvark? Just atmosphere (recreating one of Alfred Hitchcocks most famous scenes) or does the plane involve some other task?

One task in Botswana looks like one we had in Norway with the viking weapons. Here we have Brian throwing a spear at a moving sand bag. Greg is watching so maybe this is a Roadblock.

Most of the previews have been focusing on the wreck of the Land Rover with the brothers Brian and Greg on board. But there has been a lot of juggling of the editing in this sequence. We first see Brian with a dark blue shirt with sleves coming down to his bicepts driving (note bead bracelet on left wrist) But at the time of the wreck he is wearing a sleveless white shirt (again note bead bracelet on his left wrist)! So it looks like the teams have been spending at least one night in a safari campsite. In the fuzzy picture of the wreck it is hard to spot a person with a white sleveless shirt. And there appears to be a fifth person walking toward the group from the left. So at least one other vehicle has stopped. And we have another going by. So it looks like many cars were running together across the grassland.

After the accident in the cave (first day?) we no longer see Meredith or Gretchen. Do they want us to believe that they have been eliminated at the end of leg 5?

TAR6 Aaron @ TWop said that the first leg of Budapest was supposed to be a NEL and has a pit stop. The production found out that it was illegal to beg in Hungary so that was why it was a to be continued. It was a one-time anomaly and we'll never see again.
I don't think TV Guide spells wrong because they just copy & paste the press release. Episode 5 should have leg 5 and leg 6. Each leg is complete with pit stop, Detour, Roadblock, and a 12-hour rest period.

In TAR5, if there's a NEL, there's a FF. Since we see a FF in Soweto, S. Africa, that leg should be a NEL.
So there are two Detours, Two Roadblocks, two pit stops, and a Fast Forward.
The safari should be in Botswana.

Whether this is one longass leg or two separate legs, we're still talking 2 detours, 2 roadblocks and 1 fast forward along with a myriad of pit stops and small novelty challenges like sliding the glass on the ice bar or riding a rail car etc.

here's what i see so far in challenges

Cave Climbing - probable Detour as it looks like both Meredith and Gretchen are participating Image #46
Shown: M/G, R/D, R/K, U/J

Lion Feeding - probable Detour Image #209
Shown: Uchenna, Rob, Ray, Deena (or Amber), Greg, Ron & mystery person in long sleeved blue shirt (possibly kelly).
ETA: process of elim would make this a Detour see explanation below.

Orphanage - No idea whether this is a RB or simply a novelty task. Uchenna is shown holding bags (blue and brown) so we know there's a challenge involved, just not what. Image # 7
Shown:Uchenna/Joyce

Silo Walk - Definately Fast Forward Images #1-4

Target Practice - Probably Roadblock as we only see one of the brothers throwing the spear at the target. Images #24-28 (#25 is a broken link but if you c/p it and remove the #25, you'll be able to view it. shows him mid throw so it helps put the picture together)
Shown: Brian & Greg

Airplane - No idea what this is, but most likely it's a roadblock since there's already 2 detours (feeding lions and cave climbing) and 1 roadblock (spear throwing)

Since the shot of Greg feeding the lions (image #204) and the shot of Brian tossing the spear (Image #24) have Greg wearing the same shirt, we know it's the same day. Problem is, both the lions and the spear tossing appear to be Roadblocks!! Since one of these 2 challenges HAS to be a Detour, I would hesitate to guess then, that the feeding of the lions is NOT a roadblock afterall. Here's why. In Image #204, Greg is holding his feeding bucket and wearing rubber gloves. IF this was a Roadblock, wouldn't only ONE member of each team be participating? Why then, are both Ray AND Deana in the vehicle together? (Side note: to me that looks like Amber and not Deana, but since Rob is shown feeding the lions next to Uchenna, either way, that puts R/A doing the task or R/D doing the task, thus Detour)

Also the supposed shots of the car accident have Greg wearing the same shirt as the lion feeding and the spear tossing so this must happen after they've done both tasks or it's not as serious as they make it seem. Also Ray/Deana (shown in the van with Greg & Ron)look to be wearing the same clothes as they are in the FF. So this puts the following all in one episode: FF, Lion feeding(Detour), Spear throwing (RB)& car accident.

That leaves only 3 challenges unaccounted for. The cave climbing , the orphanage and the airplane.

We know that the plane flies over the giant aardvark in botswana so that has to be Episode 6. Could it be possible that the cave climbing is done at the start of this episode prior to them flying to Botswana?? The reason i pose this question, is because we already have a Detour & RB all on Episode 5. *Something* has to happen on Episode 6!

The only thing so far that i'm questioning is Ray/Deena outfits in the truck (image #204) as being the same ones as in the FF (images #1-4). It looks like it could be Ron in the bknd at the FF, in which case, that shirt doesn't match up to Ron's shirt in image #204. In which case, the FF could easily be at the start of Episode #6. The whole R/D vs R/K doesn't fly though for either day. We see both of them in the Feeding lions task AND both of them in the cave climbing task (which are different days) so whichever day the FF falls on, if it is indeed a matchup between those 2 teams for the FF, why do we then see both teams in other challenges???

We know Orphanage is different day than Lion feeding and Spear tossing as Uchenna has on a gold striped shirt in one and a lemon yellow solid t-shirt in another.

So at this point:

Episode 5: Lion Feeding (Detour), Spear Tossing (Roadblock) & Truck accident (all 3 supported by Greg wearing same shirt in all 3 places)

Episode 6: Orphanage (RB? novelty challenge?), Cave Climbing (Detour) & Plane/Aardvark in Botswana (RB? novelty challenge?)

So who gets the FF? Last year the FF's were prior to both Detour and RB challenges. The year before, 1 FF was prior to the challenges and 1 FF was after the Detour and before RB. So because there is no hard and fast rule, it could be anyone. If they have the FF prior to all challenges (like they did 3 of the last 4 FFs), then possible FF winners would be:

If FF is Episode 5: Possibles are M/G, L/A as all others are shown feeding the lions and/or spear throwing.

If FF is Episode 6: Possibles are L/A, R/A, B/G as all others are shown doing the Cave Climbing and/or orphanage

If Episode 5 is an elimination, it would have to be L/A or B/G as they're missing from Eppy 6 (R/A surviving cause of spoilers)

ok, my brain hurts now.

LAST EDITED ON 03-27-05 AT 11:21 PM (EST)

Here are some more.
210. 211. Lynn
212. Joyce
213. Joyce is feeding the lion too
214.
215.

>Also the supposed shots of the
>car accident have Greg wearing
>the same shirt as the
>lion feeding and the spear
>tossing so this must happen
>after they've done both tasks
>or it's not as serious
>as they make it seem.

But if you look closely at how this sequence is edited you will be able to see that the shots used in the sequence have been filmed at different times. We have a close up of Brian driving and then a close shot of his hands on the wheeel. In these shots he is wearing a blue short sleeved shirt. He has a bead bracelet on his left wrist. Through the window you can see what looks like a deep green woods with trees dissimilar from those seen in the long shots of the Land Rover (by the way at least one shot of the LR has been reversed so that the snorkle is on the right side of the windshield and not the left and that the steering wheel seen through the window is also on the left!). In the actual crash sequence after the run-in with the Ostrich, Brian is wearing a sleeeless white shirt, still not that he has the bead bracelet on his left wrist. After the crash it looks like from the left we have a cameraperson, Brian knelling on the ground (whitish shirt) and what very well may be the Ostrich and not a person who has been hite; then it looks like Greg bending over (brownish shirt, dark shorts) and another person walking up to them (Lynn or Alex?)

Anoher thing, if Ray and Deana complete the fast forward in South Africa (walking across the cooling towers) why do we think we see them on the Lion feed and or the cave walk? I think in the Land Rover that is headed for the lions we have Rod (and kelly) Greg (and Brian) and then Uchenna and Joyce in the third and last seat.

LAST EDITED ON 03-28-05 AT 03:04 PM (EST)

209.
The only thing I don't understand is how come Joyce doesn't sit next to her husband? Ray & Deana are sitting on the same bench.
And what kind of task is this? If one team finishes first, then they have to wait for the other teams to finish too.

I posted this in another thread--I'm putting it here, too only because I haven't seen it mentioned. As far as Gretchen's injury: Her profile says she's a retired nurse, so it pretty likely that she'll take care of her own wound (maybe even stitch it herself!) and they'll be on their way.

sorry to bother all but could someone please tell me who it is in picture #52 above. Thanks.

that's Kelly in #52.

#52 I beleive it's Kelly> >

Eyemail~

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So if Brian is wearing dark blue short sleeved shirt along with Greg wearing the beige shirt we see him in doing Episode 5 activities, then peut etre the car accident is in Episode 6 then if they're in different clothes.

Also regarding Ray, we only know that they try for the FF. Do we know they actually succeed? that could explain why you see them both in the lion feeding and the cave climbing tasks.

Agree that maybe the reason we are having so much confusion with the FF is that neither R/D or the couple in the background complete it. The bridge will be a very challenging task because there is bound to be a pretty good draft in that tower. Even if the plant is not in use the difference in temps between the interior of that tower and the outside air will be enough to start a circulation. That bridge is pretty "flimsy" and it may not be possible for both teams to complete the walk across it. Once one team leaves after making a "big mistake" the other may also leave because they just can't get both members across and don't want to fall too far behind the others.

If FF is Episode 5: Possibles are M/G, L/A as all others are shown feeding the lions and/or spear throwing.

But, what about L/A being heard to say "Oh my God, oh my God" in reaction to the car accident as they drive by the brothers.
If the car accident follows the detour and the roadblock, then L/A could not have won the FF.

that's very true./..but the difference in the clothing of Brian/Greg hints that the accident is in Episode 6..so L/A could very easily do the FF if it's in Eppy 5

found this detail on an ET link. it speculates all teams do the caves before the FF. Also that the orphanage visit may be the cause for the rollover?????

"this week the race takes the teams to South Africa for a cave climbing challenge, one of the most dangerous events to date. And one of the contestants pays the price, taking a tumble. It looks like it might be GRETCHEN, who comes up covered in blood.

Then two teams race for the first Fast Forward of game seven in a competition that measures both their balance and their fear of heights.

Also, the racers visit a local orphanage in an emotional journey that may be the cause for one team getting into a serious Jeep accident. Will it keep the racers from reaching the Pit Stop?

For a sneak peek at Tuesday's two-hour "Amazing Race 7," tune in to tonight's ET".