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"Dear LOJ...."
Posted by shakes the clown on 08-31-06 at 10:03 PM
..please tell me again how Janelle is really playing Will and not the other way around. No really, I'd love to hear it.

putting this thread here b/c I expect it to contain spoilers before Sunday's show...and out of respect for west coasters who might still be opening up the bashers forum...cause that's me, all about consideration of others.


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"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by Buggy on 08-31-06 at 10:16 PM
That's my Shakes, generous to a fault.

And she should have put up booger, but we'll see what happens.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by nailbone on 09-01-06 at 03:23 PM
LAST EDITED ON 09-01-06 AT 03:23 PM (EST)

He's such a giver, that Shakes. Makes me tear up a little, it does.


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"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by MarkP on 08-31-06 at 10:21 PM
Shakes - I am jumping ship from the LOJ. She is dumber than the chair my fat butt is sitting on now. Is it too late to join the LOJH?
"A janelle and Erika duet"
Posted by AyaK on 08-31-06 at 10:47 PM
...on the old James & Bobby Purify song written by Oldham-Penn

Pull the string and I'll wink at you, I'm your puppet
I'll do funny things if you want me to, I'm your puppet

I'll be yours to have and to hold
Darling you've got full control of your puppet

Pull another string and I'll kiss your lips, I'm your puppet
Snap your finger and I'll turn you some flips, I'm your puppet

Your every wish is my command
All you gotta do is wiggle your little hand
I'm your puppet, I'm your puppet

I'm just a <beau>, just a funny <ho>
That makes you laugh when you're blue
I'll be wonderful, do just what I'm told
I'll do anything for you
I'm your puppet, I'm your puppet

Pull them little strings and I'll sing you a song, I'm your puppet
Make me do right or make me do wrong, I'm your puppet

Treat me good and I'll do anything
I'm just a puppet and you hold my string, I'm your puppet
Yeah, I'm your puppet...

"RE: A janelle and Erika duet"
Posted by nailbone on 09-01-06 at 03:23 PM
Very nice!


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"Dear shakes..."
Posted by ARnutz on 08-31-06 at 11:12 PM
I do not believe that most of us LOJ peeps truly believe that Janie is playing Will the way he is playing her. No way would I be convinced she can mentally warp someone's brain like he does.

I am an LOJ member because she is awesome at winning those comps! Especially when it means her neck is on the line. By the way, I bet Will is an LOJ member himself! He did, after all, tell us she is the best.reality.competitor.ever!

Luv,
Nutzy


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"RE: Dear shakes..."
Posted by shakes the clown on 08-31-06 at 11:19 PM
By the way,
>I bet Will is an
>LOJ member himself! He did,
>after all, tell us she
>is the best.reality.competitor.ever!
>

...was that before or after he told Danielle she was the "best BB contestant EVER that didn't win"?

"RE: Dear shakes..."
Posted by ARnutz on 08-31-06 at 11:25 PM
That was definitely before!
"RE: Dear shakes..."
Posted by alwaysintruble1 on 08-31-06 at 11:30 PM
It was before he said that about Dani, but the difference I think is that he said that to Dani in a farewell message knowing she would see it before she went to the jury, thus trying to get her vote.

He made the comment abut Janie in a DR confessional that she wouldn't see until after the show was over.

And since we're in the spoilers, while Janie was in the DR, the other three all admitted that they couldn't beat her in the F2 and they had to get rid of her now.

Seems they all know how good she is, and that she's played a way that will win her the money if she gets to the finals.

And that is why there is a

"wow"
Posted by shakes the clown on 08-31-06 at 11:56 PM
>And since we're in the spoilers,
>while Janie was in the
>DR, the other three all
>admitted that they couldn't beat
>her in the F2 and
>they had to get rid
>of her now.
>
>Seems they all know how good
>she is, and that she's
>played a way that will
>win her the money if
>she gets to the finals.
>
>

...wow, it amazes me how people are just so dumb sometimes. So, you don't think CT telling Erika how great Janelle is and how none of them can beat her in the F2 might just be some crazy off the wall strategy by CT to put a huge target on Janelle's back so Erika will def want her gone? Ya know, kinda like the exact same thing Will did to Erika regarding how none of them can beat Danielle in F2 so Erika needed to put her up after the Veto.

Seriously, sometimes I don't know which group of people is dumber, the morons in the BB house or the morons in the LOJ.


yeah, I'm quite sure Will is really worried about not being able to beat Janelle in the F2. Will would beat ANYONE in the F2 and its not even going to be close. The only people who will vote against Will are Howie and possibly Marci. Everyone else will vote for Will. Well, maybe George but who knows with him. Either way, Janelle will be extremely lucky to get 3 votes agaisnt Will and more likely will have 2 at most.

yeah, I'm really sure Will is being sincere when he tells everyone that none of them can beat Janelle.

Now, who wants to bet that Will says the same thing to Janelle about Erika later tonight when they are alone.

"Speaking of Will...."
Posted by true on 09-01-06 at 00:19 AM
After the show tonight, I think it's clear that Janelle would take Will to final 2 if she is still around. I also think Erika will take Boogie, given the same opportunity. If Janelle goes next, and I think she should, Will is going to have to win the final HOH to get to the finals. And, if he does, will he take the easy to beat Erika with him, or his pal Boogie? (probably also easily beatable, but not as slam dunk as Erika) Even worse, will he bow out at final 3, as he's promised Boogie all along, leaving us with a horrible finale of Boogie vs. Erika? *gag*
"RE: wow"
Posted by alwaysintruble1 on 09-01-06 at 00:23 AM
>...wow, it amazes me how people
>are just so dumb sometimes.

Thanks, I've been here over two years and just finally got called dumb by shakes. Does that mean I'm in the club now?

> So, you don't think
>CT telling Erika how great
>Janelle is and how none
>of them can beat her
>in the F2 might just
>be some crazy off the
>wall strategy by CT to
>put a huge target on
>Janelle's back so Erika will
>def want her gone?

Sorry, but Janelle has had a huge target on her back since, um, week 1. The only way it could get any bigger is if she was as fat as the LOJH seem to think she is. Plus, Erika is stuck so far up CT's butt that she wouldn't do anything other than try and get Janelle out this week. Nothing else needed to be said.

>
>yeah, I'm quite sure Will is
>really worried about not being
>able to beat Janelle in
>the F2. Will would
>beat ANYONE in the F2
>and its not even going
>to be close. The
>only people who will vote
>against Will are Howie and
>possibly Marci. Everyone else
>will vote for Will.
>Well, maybe George but who
>knows with him. Either
>way, Janelle will be extremely
>lucky to get 3 votes
>agaisnt Will and more likely
>will have 2 at most.

I'll give you that most likely Will would beat anyone in the F2. Except for Dani's comment tonight that she would vote for the best competitor, and James would most likely do the same. Will has controlled the game single handedly, but hasn't won anything, where as Janelle will have won 5 HoH's and 5 veto's this season to be sitting in the F2. Who knows how they might vote.

I'll also add that I think Will is playing mostly for Mike's benifit and said this more because Mike wouldn't have a prayer of beating Janelle in the F2, so he's doing what he can to make sure that she leaves this week. Neither of them want to face Janelle in the F3 HoH comp because they probably couldn't beat her.

Sure I might be being played by Will like everyone else, but I think he really meant that about Janelle, and doesn't want to chance facing her in the end.

>
>yeah, I'm really sure Will is
>being sincere when he tells
>everyone that none of them
>can beat Janelle.
>
>Now, who wants to bet that
>Will says the same thing
>to Janelle about Erika later
>tonight when they are alone.
>

Well, seeing as right after this conversation Janelle came out of the DR and Erika went into the DR and nothing was said about this between the three of them, I wonder. It might come up later on in the week if Janelle wins the veto, but we'll just have to wait and see.

"double wow"
Posted by shakes the clown on 09-01-06 at 00:42 AM
>Sorry, but Janelle has had a
>huge target on her back
>since, um, week 1.
>The only way it could
>get any bigger is if
>she was as fat as
>the LOJH seem to think
>she is. Plus, Erika
>is stuck so far up
>CT's butt that she wouldn't
>do anything other than try
>and get Janelle out this
>week. Nothing else needed
>to be said.


....doesn't mean it doesn't make sense to MAKE SURE that Erika doesn't forget that none of them can beat Janelle. Remember, Will is great not jsut because he comes up with great strategies to manipulate, but because part of that strategy is to repeatedly drive those points into the other HG's brains.

And no, Janelle did NOT have a huge target on her back when she walked into the house. Not as big as Will's, not as big as Alisons and not as big as Kaysars.


>I'll give you that most likely
>Will would beat anyone in
>the F2. Except for
>Dani's comment tonight that she
>would vote for the best
>competitor, and James would most
>likely do the same.
>Will has controlled the game
>single handedly, but hasn't won
>anything, where as Janelle will
>have won 5 HoH's and
>5 veto's this season to
>be sitting in the F2.

huh????? Uhm, I know you're in the LOJ so things can easily go right over your head, but Dani and James CLEARLY mean the player that plays the game the best, not the person that wins the most comps. And, if you have been paying even a little bit of attention to the feeds you would already know that both Dani and James give Janelle virtually ZERO credit for all her victories, believing that either the contests have been rigged in her favor (james thinks this) or the wins have been handed to her by others (dani's favorite theory).

Geez, you should have to pay me for making me waste my time rebutting your ridiculous arguments.

Neither of
>them want to face Janelle
>in the F3 HoH comp
>because they probably couldn't beat
>her.


...my guess is that Erika is more feared as a final 3 HOH opponent than janelle, especially since its assumed that the final contest will be endurance.


Serioulsy LOJ'ers, its time to put the shovel down, admit you're all stupid, call it a day, and stop digging an even deeper hole for yourselves. I mean, cmon, I'm starting to feel embarassed for you.

"RE: double wow"
Posted by alwaysintruble1 on 09-01-06 at 01:34 AM
>....doesn't mean it doesn't make sense
>to MAKE SURE that Erika
>doesn't forget that none of
>them can beat Janelle.
>Remember, Will is great not
>jsut because he comes up
>with great strategies to manipulate,
>but because part of that
>strategy is to repeatedly drive
>those points into the other
>HG's brains.

No, even as brainless as Erika is in her following of CT like the rest of them, Erika would never do anything against her 'boyfriend'.

>
>And no, Janelle did NOT have
>a huge target on her
>back when she walked into
>the house. Not as
>big as Will's, not as
>big as Alisons and not
>as big as Kaysars.

I could ask what show you have been watching on this one. I'll give you that Will has had a huge target from the begining. Half the house was considering trying to get Janelle out the first week when she was HoH. Allison only had the target put on her back after Dani started spreading the plan around to everyone. I'd call the target on Janelle's back much bigger than Allison's, and bigger than anyone else in the house except for Will.


>huh????? Uhm, I know you're
>in the LOJ so things
>can easily go right over
>your head, but Dani and
>James CLEARLY mean the player
>that plays the game the
>best, not the person that
>wins the most comps.
>And, if you have been
>paying even a little bit
>of attention to the feeds
>you would already know that
>both Dani and James give
>Janelle virtually ZERO credit for
>all her victories, believing that
>either the contests have been
>rigged in her favor (james
>thinks this) or the wins
>have been handed to her
>by others (dani's favorite theory).

Dani's comment as she was leaving was she was voting for the best player, so kick some butt. I'd say that could be taken two ways, either in comps or strategy, but of course you are always right and comps don't matter at all.

>
>Geez, you should have to pay
>me for making me waste
>my time rebutting your ridiculous
>arguments.

You'd argue with a brick wall just for the sake of the argument, so don't try and pretend that you don't enjoy it. Maybe you should pay me for having to point out that obvious fact.

>...my guess is that Erika is
>more feared as a final
>3 HOH opponent than janelle,
>especially since its assumed that
>the final contest will be
>endurance.

Since the final HoH comp is in usually in three parts, and only one part is endurance, Janelle could still win it even if she lost the 1st part. IMO Janelle would be harder to beat than Erika in the overall comp.


>Serioulsy LOJ'ers, its time to put
>the shovel down, admit you're
>all stupid, call it a
>day, and stop digging an
>even deeper hole for yourselves.
> I mean, cmon, I'm
>starting to feel embarassed for
>you.

Yes, we are all stupid because everyone knows that the almighty shakes can never be wrong about anything.

"RE: double wow"
Posted by sarasota55 on 09-01-06 at 09:22 AM
At last, a moment of clarity. Kudos.
"RE: double wow"
Posted by nazpink on 09-01-06 at 12:59 PM
Glad you covered the "best competitor" definition shakes. I agree. When people in this game say best competitor, actual competition wins has nothing to do with it!!!!!!!!!!

What bothers me, and this seems to be a big issue with BB and Survivor, is that people seem to forget that these shows are based on mental capability. The capability to hold a strategy
together and have everyone eating out of their hands even though they are screwing them over. I don't care how many competitions Janelle has won it does not entitle her to the money or the title. I don't hate Janelle (I found her more favorable last season), but she has played a mediocre game, which is a shame considering she claims to be a fan of the show and watch every season or something along those lines.

"RE: wow"
Posted by nailbone on 09-01-06 at 03:30 PM
Thanks, I've been here over two years and just finally got called dumb by shakes. Does that mean I'm in the club now?

Took me WAY longer than that.


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"RE: wow"
Posted by yamihooked on 09-01-06 at 12:12 PM
You've been reading "how to win friends and influence people" again, haven't you.

Seriously, Shakes, you need to insult entire groups of people you know almost nothing about more often.

Calling them dumb because they think Janelle can win against any of the other three if she makes it to the final 2 couldn't possibly be simply showing your good side, could it?

I can just see you as a trial lawyer. "Your honor, the guy who hit my client's car is just DUMB because he thinks he can get away with it. True, he claims he didn't do it, but if you believe him, you're just as dumb as he is!"

Could this be why you aren't practicing law?

"speaking of dumb"
Posted by shakes the clown on 09-01-06 at 12:24 PM
>Seriously, Shakes, you need to insult
>entire groups of people you
>know almost nothing about more
>often.

I know more than enough about the LOJ, more than I would ever need to know to rightfully insult them.


>
>Calling them dumb because they think
>Janelle can win against any
>of the other three if
>she makes it to the
>final 2 couldn't possibly be
>simply showing your good side,
>could it?


..speaking of dumb, when did I ever say that was the reason the LOJ is dumb? Sure, if you think Janelle can beat Will in the F2 you are definitley stupid, however there are plenty of other reasons that the LOJ is full of idiots.


>
>Could this be why you aren't
>practicing law?

huh??????? That's news to me, I guess I better go ahead and change this...

www.orzofflawoffices.com

"RE: speaking of dumb"
Posted by KScott on 09-01-06 at 12:29 PM
Ah, yes, there is that sexy Love Cruise Clown!!!

I got Bobbed
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn... that was fun!"

"RE: speaking of dumb"
Posted by ARnutz on 09-01-06 at 12:50 PM
Suck up!
"RE: speaking of dumb"
Posted by yamihooked on 09-01-06 at 06:15 PM
>I know more than enough about the LOJ, more than I
>would ever need to know to rightfully insult them.

Nice attitude.
>
>
>>

>..speaking of dumb, when did I ever say that was the
>reason the LOJ is dumb? Sure, if you think
>Janelle can beat Will in the F2 you are definitley
>stupid, however there are plenty of other reasons that the
>LOJ is full of idiots.
>

In one paragraph, you deny ever calling the LOJ dumb for thinking Janelle has a chance against any one of the other three in the final 2, and at the same time you call them dumb if they think Janelle has a chance against Will.

If you are going to argue, at least argue on real grounds. What's the point of arguing against something that you believe in?

Btw, you *did* state that the LOJ was dumb for that reason, in this same thread a few posts above. Read your own posts before denying it.

I can't believe you can actually call yourself a lawyer if you can't even argue rationally.

>
>
>>
>>Could this be why you aren't practicing law?
>
>huh??????? That's news to me, I guess I better go
>ahead and change this...
>
>www.orzofflawoffices.com

Being a part of a law firm doesn't mean you actually practice. In fact, considering how much you post and how much time you claim you spend on reality programs, I'm surprised there's any time left over to actually practice law.

More than that, I'm really surprised you would flame people, call entire segments of the population dumb, and generally bash people as you do, all while advertising your law firm.

That's gotta be pretty stupid right there. Most people would want to stay polite and reasonable on boards if their company is known, or keep their company name private if they aren't going to be polite and reasonable.

I'd definitely want to use a personal injury lawyer that comes off as a know-it-all 12 year old flamer while advertising his law firm.

"RE: Dear shakes..."
Posted by Hooters on 09-01-06 at 00:02 AM
I just don't see her winning over anyone but maybe Erika....I think that once they all start talking in Mexico, comparing notes, that they'll realize Janelle is the biggest "floater" of them all. At least I hope that's the way it goes down. Can't wait for her to see Will's DR confessions!!!!!!
"RE: Dear shakes..."
Posted by nailbone on 09-01-06 at 03:31 PM
Can't wait for her to see Will's DR confessions!!!!!!

Yeah, like the one where he called her "the greatest reality sho competitor ever".


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"RE: Dear shakes..."
Posted by rjrabbit on 09-01-06 at 08:56 PM
I totally agree with everything you said nutzy.
J rocks even though W is using her and she's falling for it.

Fembots
by Tribe: L.O.J., One for all, all for Janelle!
"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by JoshInSGV on 09-01-06 at 00:10 AM
UGH!!! I'm a member of LOJ, but I really can't justify her actions at this point. Unfortunatelly, the clown is right. Let's just give Will the money so we can all go home. =(
"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by Glass on 09-01-06 at 00:42 AM
I'm surprised to be reading this you guys... I realized something tonight watching her win. Again. Just like last week. And the week before. A week hardly goes by without her winning something.

Yes. Janelle's a total idiot. And she's been the primary target in the house every single week since week one. But she just keeps winning everything. She's shattered all records. It's not even close. Will said about her: "Janelle is, and I give respect where respect is due, hands down, the best reality competitor I have ever seen." That was when she won veto to save herself for the fourth time last week. And then she wins HOH.

Janelle is a machine and a soldier and the fact that she's retarded and just a weapon is completely beside the point. She's been Will's atom bomb and Season 6's atom bomb all game. the floaters never even had a chance to play. It didn't matter that Janelle was an idiot. She's a stronger competitor this season than any reality show has probably ever seen. And truth is in the end, there are three members of Chill Town in the house this week and that's an overwhelming victory.

And if Will does win (which I hope he does), then Janelle's really put on a display. Kicker is, next she gets to play for the final veto and decide who goes to final 3. And then she plays HOH and probably wins that, why not? She or her allies will have won over 50% of the competitions for sure by then, and she'll have won most of those far and away.

I accept and respect Janelle's game, having seen how it all plays out with her, and if I could vote in the finals for both she and Will, I would love to do that.

"wrong"
Posted by shakes the clown on 09-01-06 at 00:45 AM
>She's a stronger competitor this
>season than any reality show
>has probably ever seen.


Colby, Survivor Australia. Much better.

And I haven't watched the last couple SUrvivors but wasn't there some guy that won almost every single Immunity recently?


"RE: wrong"
Posted by Glass on 09-01-06 at 01:01 AM
Yeah Shakes, you're right. But Janelle's won almost every HOH she's played, and when she hasn't, she's won veto! She's won both a couple times, no?

She's definitely, definitely, definitely up there any way you look at it.


"RE: wrong"
Posted by nazpink on 09-01-06 at 01:07 PM
Janelle is impressive with her competiton wins, but her strategical play is highly lacking, which is why she is always in the position of having to win veto and HOH. My guess is that she makes it to final 3 like last season but due to her lack of people skills and strategy she gets bumped once again. I think the only chance she has to win is against Erika who was about as impressive with her game play as George. I think the hammock out back got more strategy in than Erika did.
"RE: wrong"
Posted by Miami Joe on 09-01-06 at 09:10 AM
Yes, there was the dude from last season, the airforce officer, 40 something year old guy, who made it to the final three and then lost in an endurance contest.

I can't remember his name, but he was the one that also found the immunity idol.

Not only was the guy physically dominant, but he was also very smart.

He was by far the best Survivor competitor never to win.

"RE: wrong"
Posted by Fishercat on 09-01-06 at 01:46 PM
That would be Terry, and while he (and Colby really) were two of the strongest physical competitiors ever, in Terry's case, he really didn't have much of any kind of strategy. He had the backup idol and could never negotiate a more steady upper hand with it, and he basically had to win a challenge or lose his safety net. He had no choice.
"RE: wrong"
Posted by nailbone on 09-01-06 at 03:33 PM
LAST EDITED ON 09-01-06 AT 03:36 PM (EST)

Eh, never mind


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"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by JoshInSGV on 09-01-06 at 00:59 AM
Glass,
I agree with you. Janelle is a force to be reckoned with when it comes to winning competitions. She does lack the malice to manipulate and strategize behind people's back. Janelle is an open book and that will probably be her downfall. Danielle and James did complain about her repeated victories and implied that the game was rigged in her favor. I took this as just another example of their sour grapes and poor sportsmanship. I find it ironic that Danielle would even suggest that Janelle won competitions because they were handed to her, considering that Danielle's HOH was given to her by Erika and her POV was given to her by CT/James.

I'm still a Janelle fan, but I do think that Will deserves to win. Just give him the money and put an end to this miserably predictable season.

I think Janelle's assets as a competitor might be best suited for The Amazing Race, instead of Big Brother. Given the circumstances, I'm happy with Will winning it all again. I would hate to see an Erika/Boogie Finale.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by Glass on 09-01-06 at 01:05 AM
Wow, Amazing Race, definitely. Or Celebrity Fear Factor. Or anything else... maybe not The Apprentice. But even a game she's not good at she dominates... I'd definitely watch her on another show!

The punchline is that I hated Janelle last season and preferred Maggie to win, but I thought it was absolutely great that she made everybody cry by winning all the perks. All the America Votes. All the prizes. And then this year I hated her just as much. But now I'm converted.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by JoshInSGV on 09-01-06 at 01:17 AM
I really don't think that Janelle would do well in Celebrity Fear Factor. The girl is terrified of bugs. She would be eliminated the minute that she's presented with a hissing cockroach on a dinner plate.
"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by sarasota55 on 09-01-06 at 09:25 AM
Bears repeating: "miserably predictable season."
"Except..."
Posted by AyaK on 09-01-06 at 12:36 PM
LAST EDITED ON 09-01-06 AT 12:52 PM (EST)

...despite the LoJ delusionally insisting that Janelle was the #1 target from Day 1, the REAL #1 target from Day 1 was Dr. Will, the only former winner in BBAS.

Note that in Survivor: All-Stars, not a single person who got to the final three (the last challenge) in his or her first season was still around in the final seven. The guy who controlled the game (Rob M.) was one of two players in the top six who didn't even make the jury first time (along with Shii Ann). The top 3rd-place finisher was Kathy, in eighth. The top former winner was Ethan in 11th, with Hatch in 14th, Jenna in 16th and Tina in 18th (last) place.

All-Stars seasons tend toward the littler fish getting revenge against the bigger fish.

I don't think Will is joking when he says that he expected to be gone in a couple of weeks. After all, he knew that he would have taken himself out first, and he had to figure that a couple of other people would have figured that out.

And James and Dani, at least, had figured it out. But, with Kaysar protecting Will, he survived the first four weeks of Sovereign rule until he was able to get to a manageable number of alliances (including the Legion of Doom with James and Dani), and then he controlled the game and betrayed each of them the moment that he had the numbers pointing his way.

I would NEVER have predicted at the start of the season that CT would be able to manipulate this game as much as they were. So, while the outcome may have been predictable once CT got control, I doubt that anyone (including Will) predicted that CT would get into that position before the season started.

"RE: Except..."
Posted by tamarama on 09-01-06 at 01:46 PM
>>I don't think Will is joking when he says that he expected to be gone in a couple of weeks.<<

I agree -- but I think Will's survival was still more due to his good play than the others' bad play (though there was plenty of that).

>>But, with Kaysar protecting Will, he survived the first four weeks of Sovereign rule<<

I believe this was Will's manipulation too.

I can't go back & review the tapes, but I seem to recall Will starting the conversation w/BB6ers about how horrible it would be for 'floaters' to get to the end -- how they (BB6 & CT) should get rid of all the non-players first and then hash it out like the champs they all are. Of course, Kaysar bought this hook, line & sinker.

So even week 2, Will was calling the shots.

(I don't count week 1, that was a typical wk1 situation...go for the easiest, loudest target.)

"RE: Except..."
Posted by AyaK on 09-01-06 at 04:47 PM
Yes, Will had a strategy before he ever came into the game -- he wouldn't have played if he'd thought there was no hope at all -- but I just don't think he expected that people would buy into it the way they did.

Will admitted to Janie last week that he had talked to Kaysar pregame about an alliance and that Kaysar had agreed. As you point out, he was the one that coined the term "floaters" and sent the SOVs on their tail, leaving CT alone. And I saw an interview with him from just before the start of the show where he named Janelle as the hamster most likely to fall in love with him. So he'd certainly thought out the whole idea of being protected by the Sovereigns at first and then having a showmance with Janelle later on.

But I doubt that Will ever thought things would work so well so that he and Boogie would be able to coast to the final three -- and if either of them win the last HoH, final two.

"RE: Except..."
Posted by true on 09-03-06 at 10:44 AM
>...despite the LoJ delusionally insisting that
>Janelle was the #1 target
>from Day 1, the REAL
>#1 target from Day 1
>was Dr. Will, the only
>former winner in BBAS.


Well, I don't consider myself a LOJ member, more of a LOW member, but honestly, it's not THAT delusional to say that Janelle has been a target since day 1, because she has been.

Week 1. if Janelle hadn't won HOH, she very well could have been nominated. Dani led the charge to get her out the back door the first week. She was definately a target, but untouchable as HOH.

Week 2. Kaysar won HOH and Jani was safe this week, but so was Will. Either due to a pre-game alliance with CT, or Kaysar's bizarro strategy, Will was as safe as Jani that week.

Week 3. James was HOH. James was using both CT and Jani at that point. His target was CG, and Jani had as much to do with that as Will did.

Week 4. Jani is HOH again. At this point in the game, she was the number 1 target among the remaining players. Will wasn't even on the radar, other than the floaters wanting him out over themselves.

Week 5. Dani is HOH. Target #1 Jani is nominated, not Will. Jani wins veto, or she would have been gone.

Week 6. Jani wins HOH for the 3rd time, otherwise she was the target of everyone left except Howie. Will was not a target at all.

Week 7. George wins HOH and stands up to extreme pressure to target Jani. EVERYONE (but Howie) wanted Jani put up and gone. Nobody was targeting Will, except for Will who volunteered to go up.

Week 8. Boogie is HOH. Janelle is nominated. The majority of the house wants her gone. Jani wins POV, with Will wanting to keep her over James.

Week 9. Erika HOH. Jani is nominated again. Will hasn't been nominated since week 3 as a pawn. Jani wins veto again.

Week 10. Jani is HOH for the 4th time. Will is not her target. Erika wins Veto, and Jani puts up Boogie. Jani told Erika last night that she expected Erika to force a tie, so she could send Boogie home in a tiebreaker vote.

Week 11. Boogie is HOH. Jani is nominated again. Jani wins POV again.

Jani contols who goes home this week, either Will or Erika. She knows that Will and Erika would both take Boogie to the finals, and she knows that Boogie would take Will or Erika over her. I think that Jani would win easily over Erika or Boogie at the end, but she may feel that Will would be easier to beat in the final competition than Erika would be. It'a a toss up.

Would Jani be able to beat Will at final 2? I think it could be closer than you or shakes seem to think. As viewers we've seen all that has gone on, the jury hasn't. All they've seen is Jani winning everything, and being targeted since week 1. Will would have a HUGE advantage during the final speech, unless the bitter losers have all ready made up their mind that they won't give the money to a doctor who won before. (and also was primarily responsible, by his own admission, for ousting them ALL)

Marcellas- votes Jani over Will. He will not vote for the doctor, because he is jealous, and his final interviews indicated that he would vote for Jani.

Howie- votes for Jani, no explaination necessary.

James- Most likely votes Jani. screwed over by CT, and is a huge believer in winning competitions. Friends with Jani outside the game, and will be afraid his popularity will plummet if he crosses her in the final vote.

Dani- Maybe votes Jani. Feels betrayed by Will, and indicated in her exit interview that she thought Will and Jani would be final 2 with Jani winning. Gained respect for Jani as game progressed. Jani never screwed her over.

CG- votes Jani. Huge Jani fan, was practically giddy about her winning during exit interview.

Erika- ??? I lean toward Jani over Will, because I also think she's a Jani fan, and she will want to ride the popular vote. She will vote with the majority, it's the same strategy she used in the house.

Boogie- votes Will.

Now, if they'd all seen the whole season play out as we have, they'd probably give it to Will by a huge majority. They haven't, they're bitter, and they will not want to give him the money for a second time. If Will did beat Jani, it would be in a very close vote, but I don't think it's a lock that he'll win, as much as I wish he would, or think he should.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by Bob Tomato on 09-01-06 at 01:07 AM
Proud to say I never joined the LoJ.

Is there any question that if Will or Boogie were HoH tonight that Janelle would have left the house after Erika won the Veto?

More importantly, given that Janelle asked Will's opinion on her nominees, why did she not also ask Will earlier tonight "Do I look fat in this outfit?"

Or maybe she did and he lied to her then also.


"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by realityshowgeek on 09-01-06 at 02:24 AM
From the beginning I questioned this blind loyalty and strange worship for Janelle and was hissed and booed. It's so nice to finally have folks in my corner (even though, when you're right you don't mind being alone). Janelle is an amazing competitor and may very well be a sweetheart. I bailed off the Janelle train when people here refused to see any fault or flaws in her gameplay. She has NO GAME!! She wins comps, but Will has shown, it's not necessary to win to control the game. True, Janelle needed to win, because otherwise she would have been out of there week 1. Even with all of her winning, her entire alliance, the largest going into the game, have been voted out. All because she and the rest of her crew were to arrogant to protect themselves from an alliance of 2. Two?!! And one of the two told everyone every week, "vote me out". And they didn't take him up on it? Were they really that afraid of Diane and Nakomis that they had to go before Will and Boogie? With Janelle winning everything and Season 6 having the numbers, how could they lose? Oh yeah, that's right, they followed Janelle's lead. The. Best. Reality. Show. Contestant. Ever.
Not to sound like a broken record, Janelle has dominated in the comps, but remember in the beginning so many houseguest threw comps. So who's to say she would have been so successful if people really tried for the win. Nevertheless, she won. So please stop bringing up the fact Dani's victories were given to her. Who cares. It's still one in the win column for Dani. At this point it doesn't matter and I think the same will be said about Janelle really soon.
"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 09-01-06 at 04:31 AM
I adore Janelle. Always have, always will.

Unlike some, my adoration doesn't end when I realize she's vulnerable and can act like a silly, stupid girl over a cute boy. Heck, who of us out here can say we've never acted stupid over a hottie before?

I just hope our Janiedoll gets a clue to the evilness that is Will before it's too late.

I think Will makes for great television but he's really turning my stomache this year.


"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by fedcamper on 09-01-06 at 05:26 AM
Janelle DOES have game, and strategy. Unfortunately, it's the same one she has no doubt been conditioned to in the "real world" as a hot girl. She flirts and snuggles with guys to get what she wants, and it no doubt works very effectively. It can come as no surprise that she thinks it's working with Will. On the other and, she's still here, so it may be a mutually beneficial arrangement after all. Had she chosen to cross Chilltown earlier in the game, it's quite possible Dr. Will would have used his considerable powers of persuasion and manipulation to organize the house against her. As it is, he has schemed to keep her in to use her competition skills to evict everyone else. Even though they are playing each other (and he's winning), their respective strengths have melded with the result that they are both in Final Four. It is what it is.
"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by sportsjoe67 on 09-01-06 at 07:27 AM
People should've jumped off LOJ bandwagon long time ago when she could've gotten rid of CT and didn't. She is a moron just like the rest of the idiots in the house but CT. How many BB so called allstars does it take to change a lightbulb? The only 2 who qualify to be allstars are CT. Even I who never played the game would've taken out CT right away. Why the hell would u keep a previous winner in the house like Will? Why would u believe anything they say knowing what kind of lying sack of %$#& players they are? Either all these people are friggin idiots or CBS made CT off limits so they could keep the game interesting and the ratings manageable. Hard to believe no one would nominate Will from the beginning. That really makes me think. Either way the show is a joke. House full of idiots or CBS has some input into what happens. Will is definitely the best player there but don't make him out to be some God. It wouldn't be that hard to manipulate the morons in the house. He is the only one using his brain and if the rest did the same he would've been gone along time ago. I used to watch the show but something is blatantly wrong here. I do thank u all for the info I get at this website.
"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by yamihooked on 09-01-06 at 12:21 PM
I don't think Boogie is anywhere near Will's league. The only reason he's made it this far is because he's partnered with Will.
"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by kary1371 on 09-01-06 at 12:26 PM
Boogie would never have been considered for All Stars if not for Will.
"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by tamarama on 09-01-06 at 01:08 PM
Amen --

The Puppet Master's hand is up Boogie's butt further than anyone else's.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by brvnkrz on 09-01-06 at 08:35 AM
I may be dumb but at least I'm loyal. Hey, I'm still a 49er fan too. I'll still wear my LOJ badge.

Fembots by Tribe: L.O.J. One for all and all for Janelle

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by kary1371 on 09-01-06 at 09:59 AM
Last year when she came in, I thought she was going to be a new Holly, when she turned out different, I started to like her.

She has done many dumb moves both last year and this year, but as any true LoJ I will keep loving her, win or loose!

Not because I don't see her faults, but because everyone has faults and I am choosing to be a fan, regardless.

I don't think being a LoJ means I am dumb. It's a choice.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by nailbone on 09-01-06 at 03:44 PM
Not because I don't see her faults, but because everyone has faults and I am choosing to be a fan, regardless.

Same here. I get tired of the LOJH saying that we in the LOJ can't see her faults. We see them, like this school-girl crush that's gotten her all the way to F4 , but we still think she's better than most of the other hamsters. You know, the ones sitting in that sequester villa.


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"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by kary1371 on 09-01-06 at 04:28 PM
Exactly!

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by Snidget on 09-01-06 at 11:26 AM
Now I like Janelle, I never thought she was playing Will.

I do think she knows she isn't good at manipulating the game so did attach herself to someone who was.

I mean who is likely to get you to the end of the game by using you. Howie, Marcellus or Will.

She's good enough at competitions that she is really useful to someone who wants another to do their dirty work.

I don't know if she was aware enough to choose this stategy or just fell into it.

I still like her, I don't think she is fat, or ugly, or any of the other gellus remarks made about her around her.

Smart she is not. Good at memorizing things, yep she is good at that. And we thought NCLB teaching for the test wouldn't get anyone anywhere.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by tamarama on 09-01-06 at 11:42 AM
I'm in Snidget's camp. Janelle would have been gone long ago had she not joined up with Will.

Is she the smartest? No. That's Will. I don't think she's any dumber than Danielle or James though. Still like her alot.

Together, Will & Janelle are rather formidable -- Will with the mental game and Janelle with the competitions. I kinda suspect that Will wants Janelle in F3 so that she can win HOH & take him to F2.

I would love that. Would that be Janelle's smartest move? No. But I'd still love it.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by kary1371 on 09-01-06 at 12:10 PM
>I'm in Snidget's camp. Janelle would have been gone long
>ago had she not joined up with Will.
>
>Is she the smartest? No.
> That's Will. I don't think she's any dumber than Danielle or James though. Still like her alot.
>
>Together, Will & Janelle are rather formidable -- Will with the mental game and Janelle with the competitions. I kinda
>suspect that Will wants Janelle in F3 so that she can win HOH & take him to F2.
>
>I would love that. Would that be Janelle's smartest move?
> No. But I'd still love it.

I agree. Of the four left, it would be most interesting to see her and Will as final two. If that hapens, she can be sure to finish second, but it would sure being more fun than to watch a B & E final... if it's those two, I just won't care... Like for the Season 4 and 6 finale...

Anyways, contrary to others, I don't think Will will bow out at final 3 and let Mike have it. He wants to win again, without having ever won an HOH... I believe that he doesn't care about the money, but I will never believe that he is not there to win, unless I actually see him bow out...

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by abbahammer on 09-01-06 at 12:19 PM
Do you really think she joined up with Will? You're kidding right? Will's strategy was to make both Erika and Janelle think they were part of chill town. Both Erika and Janelle do not know the other one is an honourary member. This was the entire showmance strategy developed by Will and executed by him and Boogie.

Will knew that people didn't like Janelle. He kept her so that it would be easier to get her voted off. He was making her the target. He has orchestrated this entire year. And...no one is mad at him. The same can't be true of Janelle. If it came down to it, how do you think James or Marcellas would vote?

Janelle seems as smart as a sack of hammers, but still wins memory type competitions. So she has a brain. But, she is not a strategist. In fact, I would argue, that Janelle has no strategy. First strategy she had was "season 6". And when that started to fall apart, she went with what was proposed to her. She did not invent any strategy at all.

People get mad at the HOH's, not at the people that have voted them out.


Abbahammer

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by kary1371 on 09-01-06 at 12:23 PM
No body said Will joined up with Janelle, but she joined up with him. There's a difference...

Like James & Danielle joined up CT, but CT didn't join with them...

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by abbahammer on 09-01-06 at 12:34 PM
Here's the difference...
Janelle had no choice. To stay further in the game she had to "join up" with Chill Town. But, all the while, Will has been directing her. He is the Puppetmaster. That's exactly what he did. Will has used people for his purposes alone. That's his brilliance. He does it, people aren't aware. When they get booted, they become aware, but still aren't mad at him. How many people have left angry at Will?

But think of the rest of the people left? Janelle, James and Marcellas are both mad. Erika, Danielle is definitely mad. Boogie, Howie is definitely mad. But...no one is mad at Will. Why? He always talks to them, right before they make their decisions. He was amazing yesterday telling Janelle "Let's get Julie to call us in, it'll make better TV" or whatever he said. That wasn't his strategy. He just didn't want anyone else to have a chance to talk to her and change her mind. He is just awesome.


Abbahammer

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by kary1371 on 09-01-06 at 12:40 PM
Will is brillant.

I like him.

I don't like that he is playing Janie because I like her a lot and I don't like him playing with her emotions, but, from a game point of view, for Will taking himself further in the game, he is just plain brilliant and has a very good chance of winning again.

It will depends who goes home next and who wins the final HOH and if anyone wakes up in between, which I doubt Will will allow...

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by tamarama on 09-01-06 at 12:50 PM
>>Janelle had no choice.<<

Yes she did. She is not a great strategist, but she still CHOSE to work with Will.

I'm not trying to take anything away from Will -- I'm fully in the Dr. Delicious camp.

But regardless of how skilled and pervasive his manipulation is, he did not put a gun to Janelle's head. Or anyone else's. That's not how he works. Ergo, Janelle CHOSE to work with him. Will convinced her to choose him.

Had she not -- had she shown herself to be the challenge threat that she is -- AND made it clear she wanted nothing to do with Will or Mike, she would have been gone in a flash.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by yamihooked on 09-01-06 at 12:05 PM
When did anyone claim Janelle was positively playing Will?

I personally was only hoping she was.

"are you serious????"
Posted by shakes the clown on 09-01-06 at 12:30 PM
>When did anyone claim Janelle was
>positively playing Will?


...oh I don't know, only about 10,000 times on this message board in the last month. I didn't know blind and stupid went together that easily.


>
>I personally was only hoping she
>was.

...yeah, and I personally have been hoping for years that one day I will come home from work, open the door to my place and find that the carpet has been replaced with $100 bills and that the furniture has been replaced with naked supermodels. The funny part? My wishful hoping/thinking is a helluva lot more likely to happen than yours ever was.



So don't take the simple fact that I think Shakes is godlike to mean that I think he isn't an ass. -Samiam 10/12/04

"Can it"
Posted by AyaK on 09-01-06 at 12:55 PM
> I didn't know blind
>and stupid went together that easily.

No reason to get this nasty, shakes. It's always better to be magnanimous in victory. Dr. Will would be (at least to the faces of his vanquished rivals).

"RE: Can it"
Posted by yamihooked on 09-01-06 at 04:06 PM
LAST EDITED ON 09-01-06 AT 04:08 PM (EST)

Shakes is a Will fan, but Will hasn't won the money yet.

Even if he does, I don't see how Clowny deserves any kudos for it. I think Clowny will only feel he wins if he drives anyone else from watching the show or from posting here.

"RE: are you serious????"
Posted by Estee on 09-01-06 at 03:53 PM
The funny part? My wishful hoping/thinking is a helluva lot more likely to happen than yours ever was.

It would have helped if you'd given me the right key. :p Those nude supermodels absolutely had to be back at the rental place by six...



"RE: are you serious????"
Posted by nailbone on 09-01-06 at 03:55 PM
Six?!?! You need to shop at a better place. You should at least get to keep them till midnight.

Or go online to NetNudeSupermodels.com. No due dates, no late fees. You just send them back when you're finished, and the next one on your list is sent to you automatically.


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"RE: are you serious????"
Posted by Estee on 09-01-06 at 04:00 PM
Well, sorry. Chicago isn't my hometown and I didn't know where to shop. And I hate the mail-order services. Sure, they sound reasonable, but have you seen the way they ship? You spend six hours picking bits of packing peanuts off so your supermodel doesn't shed all over the carpet. And they always scream when you take out the Dustbuster. Feh.


"RE: are you serious????"
Posted by nailbone on 09-01-06 at 04:01 PM
Ah, but Swiffers are MUCH fun.


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"RE: are you serious????"
Posted by yamihooked on 09-01-06 at 04:04 PM
Well, I'm a Janelle fan and I never assumed she was playing Will. I've stated that there was a possibility she was, and even she seemed to indicate she was playing them.

Feel free to live without hope yourself, Clowny. It doesn't make the rest of us stupid to have hopes.

It would be stupid to put 10k on the cubs winning the world series. It's not stupid to merely root for them.

The odds of Janelle coming to her senses and winning the game isn't as remote as you coming home to find $100 bills in place of your carpet.

You're not especially good at flaming. You just seem to be one of the few people that are allowed to do so. I guess whatever advantage you need to do, you get.

"RE: are you serious????"
Posted by Estee on 09-01-06 at 04:08 PM
It's not stupid to merely root for them.

INCOMING!


"RE: are you serious????"
Posted by man5996853 on 09-03-06 at 04:32 PM
Who's playing whom? Again, y'all are giving Will too much credit. Janelle is still in the game. She's in the final 3. Will has not been put in the position to choose between her and Boogie. Will has been so diabolical in his scheming that he's just as likely to help Janie get to the final two as he is to help Boogie.

He's not there to help Boogie. He's there to help himself. Don't think for a second that he doesn't want to win the money. They'll be a team as long as the team is useful to Will. His motives are far from altruistic. I'm so sick of the whole Janie and Erika are getting played remarks. Every single houseguest, thus far, has been played by Will, including Boogie. He's done EVERYTHING that Will has suggested. If you want to criticize Janelle, don't forget about the rest. And who is it that is still in the house? Janelle. Janelle. Janelle. She's profitted from the relationship.

Say what you will about Janelle. She's a gamer. I doubt I'd want to hang with her outside of the house, but I love watching her on the inside. She and Will have made the season worth watching.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by Captain_Savem on 09-01-06 at 03:48 PM
Last night was a hard night for the LOJ. Indeed. I'm not one of those LOJers that believe Janelle is playing Will as she has done nothing to this point to warrant such speculation. He totally has her wrapped around his finger, and although I think he truly likes her, I don't think Will has lost his focus on why he is there.....TO WIN.

I was soo pissed after last night that I almost came in here to turn in my LOJ membership card and ask for my deposit back. But hell, I've been with her this far I'm not about to turn on her now when she needs us the most. Because believe you me, she's in a tight spot now! It's Game 7. It's win or go home time. A part of me wants to believe that she's gonna win veto and save herself once again, but I just can't do it. I think she's out of bullets. Only and act of Congress can save her now.

Last night was the dumbest thing I've ever seen. I just sat there in disbelief as our beloved Janey Doll gave Will a hug and then proceeded to hand the game over to him.

Sunday is gonna be very hard to watch.


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"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by ARnutz on 09-01-06 at 03:57 PM
LAST EDITED ON 09-01-06 AT 04:00 PM (EST)

Don't give up yet, Cappy! Where there's a WILL, there's a way!

...and we all know how strong willed Janelle can be when her back's against the wall!

*sends good vibes for Janie's next POV comp*



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ETA: You know what the bottom line for me is? She's ALWAYS the underdog and ALWAYS the target! That's why I root for her and that's why her comp wins are that much sweeter! It's like saying, "IN YOUR FACE!!!" ...to all tha hatas!

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by man5996853 on 09-01-06 at 04:36 PM
We can debate all day about the number of comps that MAY or MAY not have been thrown to Janelle. The thing is, we don't really know. Almost all of the comps that she won was based on her observations while living in the house. She, on most occasions, just proved more knowledgeable than anyone else. I've heard MUCH less squabbling with the POV comp that George won. Who, besides George, would shave his head and then go on slop for 60 days. That competition was, far and away, the most bizarre one in the history of Big Brother and was almost PERFECTLY designed for George to win. Perhaps Will or Boogie missed a question or two on purpose. We still don't know if they would have won them. With or without assistance, Janelle may still have won the comps.

I don't really think that she needs to win POV to stay. Most scenarios play out in her favor. Boogie winning HOH was, by far, the best possible result. Even if Erika wins and saves herself, there's no guarantee that she will vote out Janelle. She'd be an idiot to leave Will in the game. Erika may have been bamboozled by Boogie thus far, but I think that with Will on the block, the odds of her voting him out are MUCH greater than they've ever been in the past. Getting him out ensures Boogie's loyalty to her. Even an idiot would take 2 to 1(Boogie/Erika v Janelle).

If Janelle wins the veto, she must save Will. So what if she has fallen for Will's charm. Neither of them would still be in the game without the efforts each have put forth. They were the 2 biggest targets going into the game and both remain. You all give Will too much credit. He's good, but Janelle has done what she needed to do to stay in the game.

I thought that her nominations on Thursday were perfect. Whether or not Will influenced them, Chicken George needed to go. He was the weakest player and the other three would have loved to keep him around as long as possible. With him gone, they all now have to play the game.(I don't necessarily disagree with her targeting of Diane and Allison--Both girls obviously disliked her and, I'm sure, would have come after her sooner or later).

Will NEEDS Janelle to stay. Janelle will take him to the final 2. Erika will do what is necessary to get him out. If the vote comes to him, Janelle will remain in the house. So, in any scenario, Janelle has a great chance to remain in the game. Will NEEDS to keep Janelle in the house with Chicken George out.(And, despite his pledge of allegiance to troll-boy, he'd be more than happy if Janelle did his dirty work for him.)

Final 2--Will and Janelle--Janelle wins hands down. I can guarantee that Danielle would vote for J, and James will be led by Danielle and will thus follow suit. Janelle didn't betray Danielle. She was a rival. Danielle was betrayed by Will and Boogie and she knows it.

I like Janelle. I think that she's made a mistake or two along the way, but haters don't give her enough credit. Why oh Why didn't she focus on Chilltown? Why didn't Danielle or Erika or James or Kaysar--I mean, Nakomis? Come on. All of the houseguests have been scammed by Will. Janelle, thus far, is the only one who's benefitted from a relationship with him.

If Janelle makes it to the final 2, she can't lose.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by kary1371 on 09-01-06 at 04:43 PM
I love Janie, but if it's her and Will, the Jury might just give it to him.

They knew all his lies in Season 2 (no sequester) and they still gave it to him so to me if it's the two of them, it could go either way, leaning toward a Will win, just because as the only past winner in the house, he should never have made it this far, yet he did.

He played them all so well, that might just earn him the game!

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by Bob Tomato on 09-01-06 at 05:17 PM
I can't see Janelle winning a one on one showdown with Will in the Final 2.

I say this for 2 reasons. First, the jury tends to vote for the person they feel is the best player. I expect the general consensus among the jury is that Will is the best player. They are certainly all sitting on a beach now as a result of his machinations.

Second, and more important, and the thing which the LoJ is blinded to, is that the other people in the house hate Janelle. Hate hate hate her. Last year, they hated her, this year they hate her. And don't be giving me the 'only women hate her because they are jealous of her'. That is not so. Marcellus? Hates her. James? Hates her. She does not seem to make friends that easily. Aside from Howie, who will vote for her? Will might win that vote 6-1. It would be a shock if as many as three votes went Janelle's way.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by Captain_Savem on 09-01-06 at 05:58 PM
LAST EDITED ON 09-01-06 AT 06:04 PM (EST)

Second, and more important, and the thing which the LoJ is blinded to, is that the other people in the house hate Janelle. Hate hate hate her. Last year, they hated her, this year they hate her.

What is with you Haters?! You trying to tell me that LOJ doesn't know the whole house hates her? Whaa? Typical Hater response: 1)Make a false claim about LOJ, and 2) Make arguement against said false claim. It's the oldest tactic in the book. And still just as lame.

We know they don't like her. And we know (or at least we should all know) that Janey loses (as well as Booger and ErIcka) against Will. But, if what Dani and James say is true about voting for the best player to win, then Janey beats Booger or ErIcka in Final 2. Here's how I see the breakdown:

Janey vs. Booger (5-2)
Marcellas ~ Janey (Yeah he hates Janey, but I think hates Booger more)
Howie ~ Janey
James ~ Janey (He called her biggest, baddest, player in BB history)
Danielle ~ Janey (I could be wrong here, but I doubt it)
George ~ Janey
ErIcka ~ Booger (this could change depending on how she goes out)
Will ~ Booger

Janey vs. ErIcka (4-3)
Marcellas ~ ErIcka (He's the only player that thinks she got game)
Howie ~ Janey
James ~ Janey (see above. Plus, he sees ErIcka as the biggest floater in the game.)
Danielle ~ Janey (She will say it ain't personal, but we all know it will be)
George ~ ErIcka (he's a dumbass, how else would he vote?)
Booger ~ ErIcka
Will ~ Janey ("The best reality show competitor I've ever seen")

Once these hamsters get out of the house and have time to relax and contemplate what transpired, cooler heads will prevail.

edited for clarification and typos


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"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by Glass on 09-01-06 at 11:36 PM
Dunno cap'n... when you think about it, I do have a LOT of trouble seeing either Danielle or James voting for Janelle in the final, let alone both of them.

James has really been put through the ringer because of just how dumb she is. I think he knows she's the biggest and the baddest but I don't think he'll ever see her as the winner after everything that's gone on. It all started when those idiots decided to nominate Diane. Nakomis was a stupid move. Veto should have been used to put up Will. But that didn't happen and then they voted out Diane. James gets it and knows that's why Season 6 lost and Will won.

Dunno what I believe regarding Will and Kaysar...


"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by MarkP on 09-02-06 at 09:55 AM
>
>James has really been put through
>the ringer because of just
>how dumb she is.

I totally agree Janie is dumb...probably the dumbest player ever to play this game.....but I think James' own actions hurt himself as much as Janie's. He was intent on getting CG out when he was HOH. Yes he put up Will but he wanted CG out. When CG won the veto instead of putting up Boogie he puts and Jase (who had no real alliance) and boots him. Jani's fault?? He aligns himself with CT instead of staying true to Jani/Howie (who were 100% with him until he started wandering) and they stab him in the back and boot him out. Jani's fault?

I think James and Dani are given way too much credit for being great players. Dani from day ONE made horrible moves (week one move was classic targeting Jani when Jani had the power and she had none) and won comps only when handed to her. Dani also put her trust in CT like James did - real smart. She gave her heart (in her own words) to Erika who was literally sleeping with CT. There is only ONE great player in this game - his name is Will. Boogie gets no credit but I think he's easily the 2nd best player in the house. Granted he does what Will tells him, but he does it so good. Janie does what Will tells her and she does it so bad (running to Will to ask him what to do in front of everyone was a classic example).

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by man5996853 on 09-01-06 at 11:35 PM
6 to 1? No way.

Janelle has Danielle's vote, Howie's vote and James' vote. No matter what James might have said about her while in the house, I doubt that he'd vote for someone else. James ranted but also said on numerous occasions that she was an incredible competitor. James and Danielle were both played by Chilltown. If Jani is up against either, she'll have both votes. Chicken George will surely vote for Janelle. The only real wildcard is Marcellas, and he had just as many feuds with CT as he did with Janelle. I think that Jani would have his vote against either CT member as well. She just needs to make it through this week.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by marius on 09-02-06 at 12:52 PM
didnt dani say as she left that she wanted erika to win?
"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by Glass on 09-02-06 at 09:21 PM
Actually I'm pretty sure she said she wanted to see Erika the very next in sequester.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by AyaK on 09-04-06 at 02:04 AM
>James and Danielle were both played by Chilltown.
> If Jani is up against either, she'll have both votes.

CT betrayed the Legion of Doom. But Dani and James will vote for whoever played the game the best, which -- as Dani discussed several times -- had NOTHING TO DO with winning HoH or PoV. They're 100% certain votes for Will or Boogie. Plus, James said several times that he never liked Janelle, either last year or this year.

6 to 1 is possible, depending on CG, though I think he'd probably vote for Janelle, because he talked about financial need as his main criterion for picking a winner. So Janie'd get 2 votes against a CT member in the finals ... if she gets that far after this last HoH challenge.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by yamihooked on 09-04-06 at 02:13 AM
It's kind of pointless to argue this, as everyone has their own opinion and very few actual facts to go on.

I disagree with you, Ayak, but it's just my opinion against yours as to whom will vote for whom.

I'm guessing Janelle will probably win the final HoH. At that point, we'll see who she brings to F2, and what votes she gets.

If she doesn't win the last HoH, this entire discussion if moot as she won't make it to the F2.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by DrKegel on 09-03-06 at 11:13 AM

I think what's being left out here is what James said to Hi, Honey aka Chenbot. He made a remark that Kaysar aligned himself with CT before anything even started. Now is this true? Was it careful editing that was done so as not to tarnish Kaysar's rep?

As for respecting either ho's gameplay, can't do it. Dani and James were stupid to align themselves with CT, but they did it at a time that BB6 had the power and, more importantly, the didn't spread their legs and think that this was acceptable gameplay. Both ho's did. Dani and James were also thinking for themselves. The latest HOH's nominations were enough to sicken anyone, but especially someone that hates to see women being so stupid as to believe known liars ... and actually share a bed with them before they confirm anything being said.

The more I think about Will, the more I love his gameplay. He hit everyone on their Achilles' heel. He did it with Kaysar when he said his move to get rid of floaters was "brilliant." (No, Will! You get rid of alliances first - like CT! But you did plant that seed of the "evil" floater.) And telling Dani that she was the smartest player to never win and that she should have won her season. (Not! Everyone knows the last time around Dani acted like a scumbag - being likeable enough to get a vote is part of the game. Or creating an villainous likeable character like Will did. She failed in this aspect.) And Howie didn't know what hit him. Spent the entire game looking like a cast member of Lost.

The "ho" aspect and the not thinking for themselves aspect is why I don't think either Janelle or Erika deserve to win. Spending the game more horizontal than vertical and thinking this is somehow admirable gameplay is silly and telling as to how these two chicks operate. And it broke my heart to see Janie Bird brain drag Will into the other room to discuss who was going up for nomination this last time around. And she just did what he said like a little whupped puppy dog. Not to mention the way he keeps her off balance by these fights and telling her secrets she spills to him. Yikes! And the truth is that both Janie Bird brain and Erika had the chance to win. As we say on the farm,

"They both been done whupped but good."

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by yamihooked on 09-03-06 at 11:24 AM
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Janelle never spread her legs for Will, unlike what Erika did with Boogie.

I don't know if Erika actually had intercourse with Boogie, but Janelle never got past the tease stage with Will.

Now, you might consider Janelle's teasing of Will to be ho behavior, but then you'd have to call Will a ho as well. He used teasing just as much, if not more, than Janelle ever did.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by sabj on 09-03-06 at 12:36 PM
>Sorry to burst your bubble, but
>Janelle never spread her legs
>for Will, unlike what Erika
>did with Boogie.
>
>I don't know if Erika actually
>had intercourse with Boogie, but
>Janelle never got past the
>tease stage with Will.
>
>Now, you might consider Janelle's teasing
>of Will to be ho
>behavior, but then you'd have
>to call Will a ho
>as well. He used
>teasing just as much, if
>not more, than Janelle ever
>did.


THANK YOU!!! That's what I said on another thread! I really hate it when two adults are doing the same thing, but the female gets all of the negative name calling. AND, I DON'T think heavy flirting constitutes someone being called a HO.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by geg6 on 09-05-06 at 09:57 AM
Didn't burst my bubble at all. The only reason she hasn't opened her legs for him is because he won't let it happen. It is quite apparent to me that she'd do it in a minute if he'd show any real interest.

Hell, he starts fights with her just so he won't have to kiss her, for heaven's sake.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by kary1371 on 09-05-06 at 11:20 AM
OK, so now, falling for someone and having inter-course with them makes you a HO... I guess I'm one then!

Then manipulating people by their emotions like Will & Boogie are doing is fine!

Talk about double standard!

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by nailbone on 09-05-06 at 03:01 PM
The only reason she hasn't opened her legs for him is because he won't let it happen.

Yep, that's the only reason. Sure.

Cuz we all know that the only way an attractive woman like Janelle can get ahead is by sleeping her way there.

Hell, he starts fights with her just so he won't have to kiss her, for heaven's sake

Yeah, that's why he does it. Right.

And then he follows her around like a little puppy, making sure she's not mad at him.


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"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by sabj on 09-05-06 at 04:13 PM
"Hell, he starts fights with her just so he won't have to kiss her, for heaven's sake

Yeah, that's why he does it. Right.

And then he follows her around like a little puppy, making sure she's not mad at him."

I work at a nonprofit that works with a lot of domestic abusers. Will isn't abusing Janelle physically, but he is using the same mental games that domestic abusers use to control their spouse.

Fight, then make sure she's not mad. Keep her at an emotional distance, then make sure she's still likes him. Tell her lies, betray her, then make sure she's not mad. It is a bit frightening to watch, actually.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by true on 09-03-06 at 11:54 AM
>
>I think what's being left out
>here is what James said
>to Hi, Honey aka Chenbot.
>He made a remark that
>Kaysar aligned himself with CT
>before anything even started. Now
>is this true? Was it
>careful editing that was done
>so as not to tarnish
>Kaysar's rep?

Will told Jani that Kaysar did, in fact, approach him pre-game about an alliance.

>As for respecting either ho's gameplay,
>can't do it. Dani and
>James were stupid to align
>themselves with CT, but they
>did it at a time
>that BB6 had the power

Yeah, and James still had his BB6 alliance to fall back on.


>and, more importantly, the didn't
>spread their legs and think
>that this was acceptable gameplay.
>Both ho's did.

I'll give you Erika, but not Janelle. Come on, since when is flirting "spreading your legs"? Both Will and Janelle have been pouring on the flirt, and it's taken them both (or at least Jani) to final 3. In fact, Jani not only flirted her way into CT helping protect her, she won every competition that she needed to win as well.

Dani and
>James were also thinking for
>themselves.

Uh huh, that's whey they're G.O.N.E.

The latest HOH's nominations
>were enough to sicken anyone,
>but especially someone that hates
>to see women being so
>stupid as to believe known
>liars ... and actually share
>a bed with them before
>they confirm anything being said.

It was confirmed last night that Jani was led to believe by Erika that she would vote out Boogie over Chicken George. She didn't want to get rid of Will because Will wanted to keep her over Erika. If Will would have gone home instead of CG, than it would have been CG and Jani against Boogie and Erika. Now THAT would have been bad strategy.


>The more I think about Will,
>the more I love his
>gameplay. He hit everyone on
>their Achilles' heel. He did
>it with Kaysar when he
>said his move to get
>rid of floaters was "brilliant."
>(No, Will! You get rid
>of alliances first - like
>CT! But you did plant
>that seed of the "evil"
>floater.) And telling Dani that
>she was the smartest player
>to never win and that
>she should have won her
>season. (Not! Everyone knows the
>last time around Dani acted
>like a scumbag - being
>likeable enough to get a
>vote is part of the
>game. Or creating an villainous
>likeable character like Will did.
>She failed in this aspect.)
>And Howie didn't know what
>hit him. Spent the entire
>game looking like a cast
>member of Lost.

I'll give you that. Will is an awesome player. His powers of persuasion have worked on everyone there.

>
>The "ho" aspect and the not
>thinking for themselves aspect is
>why I don't think either
>Janelle or Erika deserve to
>win. Spending the game more
>horizontal than vertical and thinking
>this is somehow admirable gameplay
>is silly and telling as
>to how these two chicks
>operate.

Again, I'll give you Erika, but Janelle has done nothing more than flirt with Will, as he has done with her. She had him wanting to evict Erika over her this week, even though Will would have a much easier time against Erika at the end.

And it broke my
>heart to see Janie Bird
>brain drag Will into the
>other room to discuss who
>was going up for nomination
>this last time around. And
>she just did what he
>said like a little whupped
>puppy dog.

Yep, that was dumb. But when Erika won veto, it didn't matter because as HOH, Jani did not control who went home, because Erika was a dimwit.


Really, it's absurd comments like these that drive people to LOJ in the first place.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by kary1371 on 09-05-06 at 11:23 AM
Thank you!
"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by Bob Tomato on 09-03-06 at 10:58 PM
Tuesday is the acid test for Janelle. She can show some smarts or some dumbs.

Her best chance at winning is to be sittinf with Erika in the Final 2. She will surely lose to Will in the Final 2 and her chances with Boogie are also doubtful (I'm assuming Will can work a sequester house in Boogie's favour if it comes to that.)

She has her most dangerous opponent (Will) and her best hope in the Final 2 (Erika) on the block and she alone decides who stays and who goes.

If she's a player who deserves a half million bucks and a devoted Legion, she sends Will to the beach.

I'm betting that we see some dumbs instead.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by Buggy on 09-03-06 at 11:23 PM
I think she will play SMART, and evict Erika.

If she doesn't and Erika wins final HOH , Boogie goes to the final with Scrubica.
Will is probably gonna throw it, so he doesn't have to choose, so Janie will only have to beat Boogie to make Final two.

Remember back when Jase wanted to be able to play in the next weeks POV? He was voted out, because he didn't try for the one he was playing in. He never got the chance because he was gone.

Sure sitting next to Erika is a slam dunk in the vote for Janie, but if she doesn't make final 2 it won't matter.
Getting rid of Erika now, gives her a better chance to make the Two spot. It won't matter who she can beat, if she isn't there.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by Bob Tomato on 09-03-06 at 11:54 PM
Evicting Erika is not smart. You're suggesting it weakens the field for the final HoH competiton and gives Janelle an easier path to the end. But then she has to choose either Will or Boogie who she probably can't beat.

Obviously, if Janelle does not make the Final 2 it does not matter. But Janelle can't expect any of Will, Boogie or Erika to bring her to the final 2 with them. If she wants to be around next week, she will have to win the next HoH herself. Why should she fear Erika particularly in that competition? She has beaten Erika (and everyone else) black and blue in these competitions all summer. She should feel pretty good about her chance of winning the Final HoH against whoever she faces.

She should be thinking ahead to that competition and deciding who of the remaining three she wants with her at the end. I believe the right choice for her at the end is Erika. She can leave herself that choice and evict Will (smart) or give it away and evict Erika (dumb).


"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by michel on 09-04-06 at 00:07 AM
LAST EDITED ON 09-04-06 AT 00:14 AM (EST)

Isn't it twisted how she'll be dumb if she keeps Will and dumb if she boots him!!! Isn't it another demonstration of Will's superior skills? Sure he is in danger but that was unavoidable after the 2 competitions. He has a great argument to save himself and force Janelle's next move. He's made the best of a difficult situation. Janelle would prove the LOJ right by reducing her chances of reaching F2!

The real test for Janelle will come if she wins final HOH. If she still keeps Will, then she is irrefutably dumb.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by Issis257 on 09-04-06 at 00:28 AM
I think that Jani likes Will but she knows he is playing her, she said it on the show tonight that she does not trust CT. We never get to see DR because they only show it on the TV show and we don't know what she is thinking because she really has no one to trust in the house. Jani said she knows the THREE of them want her out in the DR. I don't think the answer is taking Erica. If she takes Will she can argue to the jury that even though he masterminded the eviction of all these people she was onto him and went with it therefore beating him at his own game. They may not vote for him, Marcellus, Howie, Dani and CG I think would all vote for Jani against Will. James hates her so I'm not sure about him. Taking Boogie I'm not too sure about the votes. What do you guys think??
"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by nailbone on 09-05-06 at 09:33 AM
If she's a player who deserves a half million bucks and a devoted Legion, she sends Will to the beach.

I'm betting that we see some dumbs instead.

And I'm betting that even if she does send Will to the beach, you won't admit that she did the smart thing. And I'm betting that no matter who she sends to the beach, the LOJH will find something wrong with it.


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"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by Buggy on 09-05-06 at 09:38 AM
Because no matter what she does , she is still fat!

Sheeesh, Nailbone, haven't you been paying attention?

*Laugh*

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by nailbone on 09-05-06 at 09:44 AM
Nope, just out of town.

BTW, have you seen how fat she looks in the latest commercial??? It's just absurd that they would allow someone that fat on TV in a bikini. AND they even called her a "physical threat" or something like that!!


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"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by kary1371 on 09-05-06 at 11:32 AM
I agree, for the LOJH even if she wins, she will still have done something wrong!

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by tribephyl on 09-05-06 at 05:59 AM
Not so fast there boy.

(Wow, I can't believe I missed this thread.)

Janie is full of tricks and when she wins all the remaining challenges and hand picks her final 2 partner.
You might just be eating crow.



"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by KaysarMolester on 09-05-06 at 06:18 AM
Whatever is said about her, I think she is going to "dumb blonde" her way right to the final 2.
"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by sportsjoe67 on 09-05-06 at 07:32 AM
She was dumb when she decided not to break up CT way earlier in the game and get rid of floaters instead. I really don't expect her to do the smart thing and evict Will. If she does evict Will then she isn't as dumb as we thought. I may give her a little credit if she has the cajones to dump Will. We'll see.
"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by nailbone on 09-05-06 at 09:37 AM
I think she is going to "dumb blonde" her way right to the final 2.

So winning all the comps is how she "dumb blondes" her way right to the final 2?

I may give her a little credit if she has the cajones to dump Will. We'll see.

Betcha don't.

BTW, if she was dumb not to evict CT earlier in the game, what about all the others that had the same chance and didn't. Equally dumb?


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"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by Buggy on 09-05-06 at 09:40 AM
After last night it looks like she may be sending Dr. Will out anyway.
Will she suddenly be seen as a "smart blond"?
"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by nailbone on 09-05-06 at 09:45 AM
Nope, cuz she's too busy getting hickeys and spreading her legs and handing the game to Will to get any credit for good gameplay.


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"Bros before Hos and...."
Posted by Issis257 on 09-05-06 at 10:58 AM
now Chicks before D*icks. Jani needs to get Will OUT TONIGHT!!!!
"RE: Bros before Hos and...."
Posted by kary1371 on 09-05-06 at 11:34 AM
>now Chicks before D*icks. Jani needs
>to get Will OUT TONIGHT!!!!
>
>


LOL


"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by AyaK on 09-05-06 at 10:55 AM
>Will she suddenly be seen as
>a "smart blond"?

No. She said to Erika that she was embarrassed by the way she'd been getting played and she figured that people on the Internet would know how dumb she was and would be laughing at her.

She should've realized that being a member of the LoJ means never admitting that Janelle has been played or that Janelle is dumb.

But Will will certainly look less brilliant if Janelle turns on him and he finishes 4th, since his whole strategy of double-crossing the Legion of Doom was predicated on his belief that she wouldn't.

It may be an interesting day.

Then again, from Janelle's standpoint, would you rather be in the final three HoH competition against Erika, who looked like she could've beaten Dani in the spider web endurance contest, or against Will, who may throw yet another HoH -- knowing that Boogie would take Erika to the jury if he wins HoH and with no guarantee of what Erika would do if you save her?

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by Bob Tomato on 09-05-06 at 11:35 AM
Pfff ... the LoJ were defending the 'evict Erika' plan as 'smart' a couple of days ago. Now that she has momentarily wisened up and is considering she might actually possibly maybe evict Will, that strategy is being universally hailed as the 'smart' and right play for Janelle (it clearly is, but it was three days ago also, before Janelle had even considered it).

For the LoJ, there is no dumb.

I fully expect Janelle to revert to form tonight and evict Erika, but at least recent developments have thrown some doubt into that and made things interesting.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by Savahnna on 09-05-06 at 11:36 AM

>I fully expect Janelle to revert
>to form tonight and evict
>Erika, but at least recent
>developments have thrown some doubt
>into that and made things
>interesting.

Agree completey

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by nailbone on 09-05-06 at 12:53 PM
Pfff ... the LoJ were defending the 'evict Erika' plan as 'smart' a couple of days ago. Now that she has momentarily wisened up and is considering she might actually possibly maybe evict Will, that strategy is being universally hailed as the 'smart' and right play for Janelle (it clearly is, but it was three days ago also, before Janelle had even considered it).

For the LoJ, there is no dumb.

Thatnk you for confirming my point. For the LOJH, there is no smart.


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"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by Bob Tomato on 09-05-06 at 03:18 PM
wtf?

I have always said that evicting Will this week would be the smart play. I just didn't think she would do it (still don't, but I would be pleased to see her prove me wrong).

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by nailbone on 09-05-06 at 03:21 PM
But will you admit that Janelle made the smart move when she actually does evict Will?

Remember, you could have your LOJH membership revoked for doing that.


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"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by Bob Tomato on 09-05-06 at 03:47 PM
Of course. I've said it's the smart move and IF Janelle evicts Will I will commend her for making a smart move. I don't expect her too, but I will acknowledge it if she does.

But when she evicts Erika, will you be here, turning in your LoJ badge and acknowledging it as a dumb move? or are we apt to see some contortionists logic about how keeping Erika around will keep Janelle from winning the next HoH competition (which she will be heavily favoured to win no matter who is playing?)


"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by nailbone on 09-05-06 at 04:36 PM
I will only admit a dumb move IF AND WHEN she does not win the game. Until then, "smart" or "dumb" has yet to be determined.

And I'll never turn in my LOJ badge!!!


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"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by man5996853 on 09-05-06 at 01:35 PM
I don't think that it would hurt Janelle either way. I supported the eviction of Erika and definitely support the eviction of Will.

Of course the LoJ was supporting the eviction of Erika, it was only yesterday that Janie and Erika finally sat down and really discussed all the backstabbing of Will and Boogie. As long as Erika was blind to Mike's ill-doings, evicting Erika was the right thing to do. Now that the girls are on the same page, evicting Will is obviously a good thing.

The LoJ isn't being inconsistent. We are just working with the new facts. Now, after their discussion, Will is the better choice to evict.

LoJ rocks.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by nailbone on 09-05-06 at 03:03 PM
Exactly. Now that Erika knows what's what, her alligeance to Boogie is gone. Yesterday, that wasn't the case.

Same with Janie.


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"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by Savahnna on 09-05-06 at 11:35 AM

>Then again, from Janelle's standpoint, would
>you rather be in the
>final three HoH competition against
>Erika, who looked like she
>could've beaten Dani in the
>spider web endurance contest, or
>against Will, who may throw
>yet another HoH -- knowing
>that Boogie would take Erika
>to the jury if he
>wins HoH and with no
>guarantee of what Erika would
>do if you save her?

I guess a lot depends on how much she wants the "big one". I could be wrong....but didn't she make a deal with Will to share the $$ if he took her to the final 3....not so much of a deal breaker if he doesn't get there.....and...her chances of winning the whole thing are better without WIll in the picture...(as an opponent in the final 2 anyway)
>


"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by Issis257 on 09-05-06 at 11:46 AM
I insist she needs to get Will OUT!!!!!! She will be a hero in the eyes of the other HG in sequester. Jani can beat both Boogie and Erika anyday. It's a chance she has to take at this point. I just hope Ericka does not doublecross her though. Hummm.
"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by nailbone on 09-05-06 at 03:05 PM
but didn't she make a deal with Will to share the $$ if he took her to the final 3

I don't remember the exact conversation, but THEY told HER they'd give her a split when they won. I'm not sure that she reciprocated that promise.


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"Yes"
Posted by AyaK on 09-05-06 at 05:00 PM
It was a reciprocal promise, and CT made it with both Erika and Janelle. That was why CT wanted to get them out before F3.
"RE: Yes"
Posted by Savahnna on 09-05-06 at 05:04 PM
>It was a reciprocal promise, and
>CT made it with both
>Erika and Janelle. That
>was why CT wanted to
>get them out before F3.

Which you'd hope would give them amunition to lose them as well.
>


"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by man5996853 on 09-05-06 at 01:30 PM
She's dumb for not evicting them earlier? Where is your justification? I don't care if Will is strumming her hoohah. She's still in the game and, it looks like she just might evict the man who is supposedly playing her.

Ooh. The diabolical Will is so scary.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by kary1371 on 09-05-06 at 11:58 AM
Yes Janie has been played.

Yes she has done some dumb moves in this game. Does that make her dumb? I don't think so.

I think she is smart. Is she smart in the BB game? No.

Did she fall for Will's game? Yes.

Was she falling for him (until last night)? I think so.

Would she have been intimate with Will if he had wanted to? Maybe, for her, this was real, after all, that's what he was telling her.

Does that make her a HO? I don't think so. Being a HO would mean she'd sleep with him without feelings, without thinking she would be with him after the show, which is NOT the case.

Again, maybe she would not have slept with him on TV, regardless. She kissed Michael but didn't sleep with him and she thought she was in love with him at the time.

Can we stop making personal judgments on her outside of the game? Calling her dumb or a HO implies that's what she is, but I don't think she is and even if she were, that's her life outside the house and it's not our business. Our business is what happens inside the house / game. I find it demeaning that women are called names like this, but the guys here are being really nasty and despicable, but no one bashes them.

What's the problem? If a guy fools a girl into falling in love with him it's ok, but if the girl falls she's dumb and she a HO????

I can't stand Hoogie, never really liked him, I hope a lot of women see how he is acting and that he has a hard time getting a date in a long time. No women deserves to be treated like this. That this is a game is no excuse. He is just a jerk!

Will has always been one of my favorites, but seeing how he seems to think that this is ok behavior really doesn't sit well with me, so now I just hope Janelle snaps out of it and kicks him out tonight.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by Issis257 on 09-05-06 at 12:25 PM
I agree Kary, I also think that whether he wants to admit it or not Will kinda fell for Jani also. Yes he told her last night that Erin is his best friend etc... but I think he was frustrated that his situation with Jani was not going to go anywhere because of his outside life; he was conflicted in a sense despite the game play. He does have a connection with Jani after all is said and done. Now, will Erin forgive him? I mean he did some things that despite the whole Showmance thing were unnecessary. I think Jani should take him out because that is what he was going to do to her and he even told her he would take Boogie to the F2 over her. Anyway, can't wait to see what will happen tonight. As Julie says, "expect the unexpected."
"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by sportsjoe67 on 09-05-06 at 12:38 PM
What happened last night that everyone keeps talking about?
"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by Bebo on 09-05-06 at 12:42 PM
http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID34/1053.shtml#14


"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by chappi66 on 09-05-06 at 12:46 PM
You know, as much as I dislike Janelle, I would definitely have a new perspective for her if she were to boot Will out tonight. If she did that, it would show me that she finally has done something worthy of being called an all-star. I really think that she and Erica are going to stick together on this one. Those two women are p*ssed off. I also think they realize they have no one else to trust but each other. I can hardly wait to see what happens. Booting Will out could be the biggest upset of the game. Taking out the BB ultimate manipulator, what a shock to everyone. I really hope she goes for it and does not change her mind. This could be her only chance of winning. I think her and Erica in the final 2 would be a great thing. I would not be upset at all if she ultimately did win.
"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by yamihooked on 09-05-06 at 01:19 PM
Janelle has every reason to believe that Erika would take Boogie to the F2.

I would love to see Janelle evict Will, merely to see the look on his face. But if she does that, she'd have to compete against Erika for the final HoH.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by nailbone on 09-05-06 at 03:06 PM
Janelle has every reason to believe that Erika would take Boogie to the F2.

Not any more.


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"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by seahorse on 09-05-06 at 04:49 PM
Maybe or maybe not.

Erica could win HOH if she is saved by Jani and elect to bring Boogie to the final 2 with her.

Afterall, she is playing for a half million dollars and she might take Boogie if she thought she could beat him but not Jani.


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"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by nailbone on 09-05-06 at 04:50 PM
True, but it's not a lead-pipe cinch, like it was a couple of days ago.


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"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by yamihooked on 09-05-06 at 05:59 PM
True, I hadn't seen the description of their meeting before I wrote that.

Still, Erika has a better chance to win the big prize by taking Boogie than by taking Janelle.

I just hope that if Janelle evicts Will, that Janelle wins the HoH.

Actually, she needs to wint he HoH anyway since neither Will nor Boogie would take her to F2.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by 2thDr on 09-05-06 at 09:28 PM
Hey Shakes.....

Looks like Playa got played!!!!!!!!


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"Attention LOJ"
Posted by shakes the clown on 09-05-06 at 09:36 PM
LAST EDITED ON 09-05-06 AT 09:36 PM (EST)

Before the inevitable parade of morons descends on this thread lets just get one thing straight. Nothing that happened tonight changes anything I've said in this thread.

Janelle was still played thoroughly by Will. She NEVER played him, even for a second. She even admitted on tv tonight that she was completely played and as a result made several horrible decisions ALL BECAUSE OF WILL.

Only after Erika talked some sense into her did she realize what an idiot she had been, and at that point even the biggest moron in the world would smarten up and evict the guy.

So, its not like Janelle had some great epiphany or had been playing Will all game leading up to this. All that happened was she got completely played, but because Erika won a veto last week and was able to stay in teh game, it was clearly inevitable that she would get around to comparing notes with Janelle and that Janelle would have no choice but to smarten up.

So, once again cause I know most members of the LOJ are brainless nitwits, Janelle was completely and utterly played by Will the entire game and it was ERIKA, not Janelle that got Will evicted this week.

If George had stayed in teh game last week things would've gone a lot differently....and Will knew that and completely saw this coming.

"RE: Attention LOJ"
Posted by 2thDr on 09-05-06 at 09:52 PM
Your right as usual Shakes...He completely saw this coming....

Just one thing, did he forget to give his best buddy Boogs the memo, 'cause homeboy looked like he just got ran over by a train. Just curious....

"RE: Attention LOJ"
Posted by Sues on 09-05-06 at 10:09 PM
and that would be my FAVORITE moment of the season...
"RE: Attention LOJ"
Posted by Bob Tomato on 09-05-06 at 10:25 PM
Indeed, you could say in the last two days Janelle continued to get played, but this time by Erika instead of Will. It was only when Erika had her neck in the noose that she had to give Janelle the full court press and explain some things that should have been obvious.

I was a bit surprised Will did not work harder on Janelle in the last few hours. Maybe the decision was made by then and it was a hopeless cause.

"RE: Attention LOJ"
Posted by nailbone on 09-05-06 at 10:39 PM
The only morons would be anyone that even remotely thought that Shakes would give Janelle any kind of props for the move she made.


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"RE: Attention LOJ"
Posted by frisky on 09-06-06 at 02:34 AM
Shakes would be a moron for giving Janelle props for the move that ERIKA made.

Hell, even the eviction speech was Erika's. She coached her to say the "for Marci and Howie" bit.

If Erika had just laid down and died and not fought to stay in the house, Janelle would still be giggling like an idiot in Will's bed.

Even after the eviction, she had to be assured by Erika that she did the right thing. Janelle didn't show any confidence or brevity at all in her "move."


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"RE: Attention LOJ"
Posted by yamihooked on 09-05-06 at 10:42 PM
LAST EDITED ON 09-05-06 AT 10:42 PM (EST)

Well, according to Clowny, no matter what happened, Will would have foreseen it and even planned it.

He probably had a hand in the hurricane that caused the jury to move to a new house, because having to move would annoy the members just enough so that he could manipulate their votes that much easier. He'll also try, and succeed, in blaming the hurricane on whichever person in F2 that he doesn't want to win.

Yes, Will planned and expected to be voted out this week, with specific instructions to Boogie to drop out of the endurance comp of the HoH with the assumption that each girl would want to take Boogie to F2.

It was all planned and designed to go exactly like this, by Will, in conjunction with Clowny back in July.

See, Clowny is the REAL third member of Chilltown. All three of these guys like to get together and plan special MAN-ONLY outings.

"RE: Attention LOJ"
Posted by true on 09-05-06 at 11:24 PM
I'm no LOJ, although I'm not a hater either, and I'm willing to give Scrubika some credit, although not all of it. Janelle was ready to kick Boogie out last week, but Scrubika fvcked it all up. Only when her back was totally against the wall did she finally start playing the game for herself. If Scrubika had won the veto instead of Jani, you can't say that Jani wouldn't have made the same move to save herself.

If Will was so worried about Scrubika, he should have kept the biggest idiot of them all a little longer. Howie. He wanted to, but Boogie talked him out of it.

If anyone screwed up Will's game, it was Boogie. The fact that he was able to carry that moron for so long was a huge accomplishment. I'm just glad he made it almost to the end. The season would have been a total bore without Will.

"RE: Attention LOJ"
Posted by frisky on 09-06-06 at 02:38 AM
Boogie dropped the ball when he dropped Erika after Janelle won the veto. He's an idiot, and Will paid the price. Hell hath no fury etc etc etc.


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"RE: Attention LOJ"
Posted by Sketchyboi on 09-06-06 at 03:54 AM
Janie got played by Will.

Janie got played by Erika.

Janie got played by whomever.

Lot of opinions here as to how moronic Janie's game play has been. One thing that continually gets overlooked, however, is that Janie has won more competitions and vetos than anyone else. Had she NOT won all the recent vetos, she would have been out. Whether you want to think she is dumb as a box of rocks, and gets played by everyone, you cannot take away from her that she deserves to be there and is there only because of her consistant wins.

Period.

"RE: Attention LOJ"
Posted by frisky on 09-07-06 at 01:14 AM
>One thing that continually gets overlooked, however, is that Janie has won more competitions and vetos than anyone else.

No, it is not continually overlooked. It is continually drilled into our brains because it's the only good thing that can be said for her game.

That is why LoJHers have to continue drill back that by winning protection from getting booted, she has not had to play the social part of the game, which is much harder, and let's face it more time consuming, like about 23 hours and 45 minutes a day more time consuming.


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"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by KaysarMolester on 09-06-06 at 06:20 AM
The look on Booger's face when Janelle evicted Will---pricless!!! And they said it could'nt be done!! bah hahahaha
"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by sportsjoe67 on 09-06-06 at 07:19 AM
Ok, maybe Janie isn't so dumb after all. I said I would give her props if she finally woke up and used her brain and break up CT. She waited too long but at least she did it. I'm glad she realized she made a plethora of mistakes and wasn't gonna do it anymore. My hatin on Janie is over and I see no reason why she doesn't win the whole thing. If Erika wins HOH she promised Janie she would take her. So only a doublecross by Erika would keep her from winning. If Booger wins he will surely take Erika cuz he knows he has no shot at beating Janie. So Janie has a pretty good shot at final 2 as long as dipsh$t Booger doesn't win HOH. An extra bonus last night after Will got evicted, those priceless shots of Booger looking like a deer caught in headlights. He looks clueless and doesn't know what to do. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by okaychatt on 09-06-06 at 08:48 AM
Will did say Janelle was playing him almost as much in his interview with Julie.

I know, I know - who can believe anything that comes out of his mouth. It was probably damage control, but I thought I'd mention it.


Everyone is entitled to my opinion.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by Miami Joe on 09-06-06 at 09:19 AM
No matter what any clown or LOJ haters may say, the facts are:

Will is gone. Dr. Evil, you have been precribed a humble pie diet at the sequester house.

Boogie will be gone on Thursday. He is so lost without Will, that he will not be able to concentrate and win any of the HOH comps to save his own a$$.

Janelle or Erika will win the big money. Well diserved after putting up with Boogie and Will's lies for over two months.

It does not matter how you get to the finals, but the fact that you get to the finals. That is the bottom line.

I am not sure if Boogie is more upset that his man Will was voted off, or if he is worried about making to the sequester house in a couple of days to face Howie.

We will see.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by abbahammer on 09-06-06 at 10:00 AM
The turning point this season would have to be Will just missing the veto and breaking his thumb. At that point it must have been evident to Erika that Will was trying to evict her. Why would he care so much, when she knew his strategy was to never win anything. He wanted her gone.

You act quite differently when a gun is against your head, and I'm sure that once Erika realised this she knew she was being played. Janelle did not have the same realisation.

You can't discount Janelle's dominance of challenges. In fact, Will was counting on it as part of his strategy. Will could always be supportive of Janelle, and appear to work with her because he wanted her to win the challenges and keep the target on her instead of him. And...it almost worked.

At a minimum, Will was likely the most entertaining of the "All Stars" this season. The next week should be rather boring...although, it could get heated. I would laugh though if someone says to Boogie "Class Act", because I believe he said it three times in a row when people were leaving the house.

I'm not sure what will happen. But Janelle is definitely at a good spot right now. One thing is for sure, Erika's word is not at all solid. She promised Danielle that she was safe and then got her evicted. Boogie looks like he's throwing the challenges and it somewhat backfired on him when the endurance challenge ended quickly because Janelle took her hand off the wall.

I don't think any of the three are particularly liked in the house. And I really don't think any of them are "strategists" either. I think now, people will vote for Janelle, because she was able to get Will out. There will still be a lot of bad blood toward Erika and Boogie. But, now that the Dr's gone...I'm not as interested in watching.

Abbahammer

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by Jims02 on 09-06-06 at 10:55 AM
I've got to give Janelle some credit. Frankly, during most of the season, she's gotten on my nerves. For most of the reasons that shakes has given and that Janelle herself has admitted. It was pretty much impossible for me to root for Janelle during most of the game, because she wasn't playing to win. She was playing for Will to win. When she said, last night, that everyone was probably laughing at her, she was right. I thought it was ridiculous that Will could backstab her so many times, and still get her allegiance.

Thank gawd she finally woke up. Of course, it was in the frickin' eleventh hour of Big Brother All-Stars, but at least she woke up. If Janelle would've booted Erika last night, I'd be so disgusted by her idiocy...

In short, I give props to Janelle for finally thinking for herself. I give Erika major props for finally putting two and two together and talking to her. She wasn't the first person to do so, however. James had been trying to convince Janelle throughout the whole game, but was unsuccessful. Finally, Erika broke through to Janelle. I'm not completely sure that Janelle would've booted Will, without Erika whispering in her ear...

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by AyaK on 09-06-06 at 11:01 AM
James had been trying to convince Janelle throughout the whole game, but was unsuccessful.

Well, James was trying to convince Janelle through the first four weeks, at least -- but she never listened, and the Legion of Janelle turned on James because he didn't keep worshiping her after he realized she wasn't going to stop letting herself be played.

Nevertheless, she may still win, which isn't bad for someone who has never had a thought for herself the entire game.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by Captain_Savem on 09-06-06 at 12:28 PM
Well, James was trying to convince Janelle through the first four weeks, at least -- but she never listened, and the Legion of Janelle turned on James because he didn't keep worshiping her after he realized she wasn't going to stop letting herself be played.

Really? Cuz last time I checked, James was HoH in week three. If he wanted to blame someone for not getting rid of Will, he shoulda looked in the mirror and blamed that guy. But no, James has never taken responsibility for anything's he's ever done, and he needed a scapegoat. James was looking out for James and throwing his alliance under the bus on Day One, and Heaven forbid someone else should be looking out for their own best interest. That's unacceptable!! LoJ turned on James because he is a hypocrite and poor sport. Period.


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"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by Issis257 on 09-06-06 at 01:02 PM
I think that if it gets down to Ericka and Jani that Jani should win. Ericka woke up in the past week when she booted Dani. Before that she was a big ZERO. At least Jani was out there trying her best winning comps and being HOH several times. A strategist she is NOT but the girl has drive. For them to vote for Ericka or Boogie who rode Will's coattails would be a crime.
In the sequester house I think when Marci sees her speech, he may vote for her, Howie is a definite vote, Dani will not vote for Ericka, she said it a million times, and Boogie assured her she was safe minutes before the live show. That leaves James, who I really don't know what he will do, CG likes all three that are left in the house so who knows and last but not least WILL. If it gets down to Ericka and Jani I think he will vote for Jani (at least I hope so) and if Boogie was in the F2 of course he would vote for Boogie over the two girls anyday. Now I hope Ericka does not doublecross Jani and takes Boogie. The same for Boogie, I hope he takes Jani if it gets dwon to it being his decision. We'll see.......can't wait for tomorrow's live show to see the expression on the booted HG's faces when Will walks through the door!!!!!
"keep dreaming"
Posted by shakes the clown on 09-06-06 at 01:24 PM
>I think that if it gets
>down to Ericka and Jani
>that Jani should win. Ericka
>woke up in the past
>week when she booted Dani.
>Before that she was
>a big ZERO.


...as opposed to Janelle who actually had a negative effect on the game with her actions. Depends on what you prefer, someone who sits back and bides their time or someone who plays all out but makes a ton of mistakes.


For
>them to vote for Ericka
>or Boogie who rode Will's
>coattails would be a crime.


...what is worse, riding coatails or being riden like a horse at the Kentucky Derby?


>
>In the sequester house I think
>when Marci sees her speech,
>he may vote for her,


...why, because she tried to avoid responsibility for her part in his eviction by blaming it all on Will? Do you think Marci will forget who put him up? Who do you get more mad at, your rival for trying to get you out or your friend for trying to get you out?

>
>The same for Boogie, I
>hope he takes Jani if
>it gets dwon to it
>being his decision.


...you're kidding right? Boogie may be an idiot, but even he isn't that stupid. Why would you even think about that as a possibility?

"RE: keep dreaming"
Posted by sabj on 09-06-06 at 01:29 PM
Maybe I'm a bit slow in noticing this, but you enjoy arguing, don't you, shakes? Gee whiz!!
"RE: keep dreaming"
Posted by Captain_Savem on 09-06-06 at 01:54 PM
...what is worse, riding coatails or being riden like a horse at the Kentucky Derby?

The horse is the one that gets the glory shakes. Who was Secretariat's jockey?

That's what I thought...


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"RE: keep dreaming"
Posted by shakes the clown on 09-06-06 at 02:00 PM
>The horse is the one that
>gets the glory shakes. Who
>was Secretariat's jockey?
>


..the horse is also the one that gets the whip bruises all over its body.

"RE: keep dreaming"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 09-07-06 at 05:22 AM
Personally, I like being ridden like a horse at the Kentucky Derby

and btw, if that horse happens to win, it's put out to pasture to do nothing but procreate for the rest of it's life. not a bad gig.

"RE: keep dreaming"
Posted by AyaK on 09-07-06 at 08:09 PM
LAST EDITED ON 09-07-06 AT 08:15 PM (EST)

>The horse is the one that
>gets the glory shakes. Who
>was Secretariat's jockey?

Ron Turcotte. And no, I didn't have to look it up.

Edited to add: You'd probably remember Turcotte better if he hadn't been paralyzed in a racing accident at the height of his success. He was one of the 3 or 4 best jockeys of his time, and he would have kept riding for at least another decade if not for the accident.

"Shakes Shakes Shakes"
Posted by Issis257 on 09-06-06 at 03:53 PM
Of the people left in the house, I still think Jani should win.
Period.
"RE: Shakes Shakes Shakes"
Posted by MakeItStop on 09-07-06 at 08:06 PM
<sings> Shake Shake Shake ... Shake your bootie

Oh wait, you said "Shakes Shakes Shakes". Well then, nevermind.


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Posted by IceCat on 09-07-06 at 08:44 PM

"RE: ?"
Posted by nailbone on 09-08-06 at 09:42 AM
Nice.


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"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by AyaK on 09-07-06 at 08:16 PM
Really? Cuz last time I checked, James was HoH in week three

And last time I checked, James nominated Will in week three.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by yamihooked on 09-08-06 at 02:05 AM
But Will was nominated purely as a pawn. James was attempting to evict George, failed, and nominated Jase to replace him.

It didn't seem like James was attempting to evict Will at all. If he had really wanted to break up CT, he should have put up Boogie to replace CG. Instead he put up another floater.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by JoshInSGV on 09-08-06 at 02:26 AM
And... let's not forget that James had a major hissy fit when George saved himself. Why is that? Oh that's right... Because James' real target was the big bad Chicken man, not the good doctor sitting next to him on the chopping block. So again, James was also responsible for CT's longevity in the house. Accusing Janelle of protecting CT is just another example of James' hipocrisy and self-righteous thinking.
"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by AyaK on 09-08-06 at 08:42 PM
Accusing Janelle of protecting CT is just another example of James' hipocrisy and self-righteous thinking.

That's what people said at the time, but that's also when they were still in love with the SOVs. Let's look at things with the advantage of hindsight.

After Jase was put up is when James found out that info was being leaked to CT. Remember?

http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID34/899.shtml#97

That's when James and Dani started focusing on evicting Will.

http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID34/902.shtml#42
http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID34/905.shtml
http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID34/905.shtml#19

As you see, he couldn't convince them to do it.

And then they fought over who to put up the next week, after CT threw HoH to S6 (I loved Will eliminating Howie and then himself in the challenge; too bad bacon (an LoJer who insists Will never threw a challenge) didn't see it).

http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID34/909.shtml#60

Which led to BB6 spending an entire day talking about nominating CT ... but ...

http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID34/912.shtml#30

Janelle's little birdbrain starts focusing on joining up with CT. James tries to tell her otherwise, that Will is dangerous:

http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID34/912.shtml#32
http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID34/912.shtml#34

Will starts playing her:

http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID34/912.shtml#49

She nominates Boogie and Erika and says to BB6 that she'll put up Will if one is taken off:

http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID34/912.shtml#57

At this point, there's nothing to complain about. They each have a side alliance (Janie has Marci, James has Dani).

But Janie has someone else she wants to backdoor, not Will.

http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID34/912.shtml#82

Then Boogie won veto. The next two days were about scheming, including James' temper tantrum to Dani about Janie, as James and Howie tried to convince Janie not to align with CT and Will:

http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID34/914.shtml
http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID34/918.shtml

And James tells Kaysar he wants out after Janie nominates Diane:

http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID34/921.shtml#26

...and makes a fool of himself in doing so.
But he was right. Will was playing them. And he proved it with this final two, Boogie and a woman who described herself as coming from "a town named Chill."

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by okaychatt on 09-06-06 at 03:02 PM
<isn't bad for someone who has never had a thought for herself the entire game.

But she did have the right strategy when she wanted to put up Boogie and Erika.

She just didn't have the sense to think and act past Will's manipulation.

I was glad to hear her DR confessions on how she figured she was being played.

So why the HECK didn't she act appropriately?

Oh yeah - the puppet master at his finest.


Everyone is entitled to my opinion.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by okaychatt on 09-06-06 at 02:59 PM
<James had been trying to convince Janelle throughout the whole game, but was unsuccessful.

Yes. However, Janelle rightfully suspected James' allegiance and therefore discounted his "advice".

She's still an idiot for trusting Will, though.

I'm SOOOOOOOOOOO glad she booted him last night. She and Erika give new meaning to angry grrrrrrrrrrl power!


Everyone is entitled to my opinion.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by Jims02 on 09-06-06 at 03:06 PM
LAST EDITED ON 09-06-06 AT 03:07 PM (EST)

Yes. However, Janelle rightfully suspected James' allegiance and therefore discounted his "advice".

As opposed to Janelle, who had no alliance with ChillTown or anything... Besides, his "advice" was to get rid of Will and Mike. How does that hurt Ms. Loyal-To-Season-Six-Only Janelle?

Janelle pretty much admitted last night that she had ChillTown's interests in mind as she made many of her decicions. And last time I checked, "Chill Town" isn't composed of the same people as "Season Six."

Everyone made deals. To single out James specifically is pretty unfair.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by man5996853 on 09-06-06 at 03:28 PM
How does that hurt Ms. Loyal-To-Season-Six-Only Janelle?


There's a big difference between what Janelle did and what James did. Janelle didn't put up Chilltown as per James advice but she didn't afterwards plot and scheme against her own alliance, like James. She was loyal to season 6. James was a snake and had only his interests at heart. Janelle was keeping her options open and she made the right call.

"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by JoshInSGV on 09-07-06 at 03:36 AM
Janelle didn't go against her alliance with the Sovereigns because none of them targetted ChillTown in the first place. Kaysar could have done it on week 2 and went off on a tangent by targetting Nakomis and Diane, which was a stupid move in my opinion, considering that he could have pulled Nakomis into the Sov alliance. On week 3, James nominated Will but he made it very clear that Will was a pawn and that the real target was Chicken George. Are you kidding me?? James has a full house of great competitors and he targets Chicken George?? If neither Kaysar or James targetted Chilltown during their HOH weeks, why should Janelle be considered a traitor to her alliance for not targetting CT on week 4??? I guess that would make them all "traitors" to their alliance because none of them targetted CT in a serious manner.
"RE: Dear LOJ...."
Posted by Quest on 09-08-06 at 07:18 PM
>Janelle didn't go against her alliance
>with the Sovereigns because none
>of them targetted ChillTown in
>the first place. Kaysar could
>have done it on week
>2 and went off on
>a tangent by targetting Nakomis
>and Diane, which was a
>stupid move in my opinion,
>considering that he could have
>pulled Nakomis into the Sov
>alliance. On week 3, James
>nominated Will but he made
>it very clear that Will
>was a pawn and that
>the real target was Chicken
>George. Are you kidding me??
>James has a full house
>of great competitors and he
>targets Chicken George?? If neither
>Kaysar or James targetted Chilltown
>during their HOH weeks, why
>should Janelle be considered a
>traitor to her alliance for
>not targetting CT on week
>4??? I guess that would
>make them all "traitors" to
>their alliance because none of
>them targetted CT in a
>serious manner.

True. They were all more concerned with the floaters, probably because the floaters outnumbered them.