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"Don't Understand INXS"

Posted by leianawd on 08-17-05 at 02:49 PM
Usually INXS voices the same opinions that I do about the rockers performances but I was a bit confused about the comment they made to J.D and by the look on his face it appeared he was too. I thought that they wanted J.D. to put more emphasis on the song opposed to his performance. I felt that he did just that and sang the song wonderfully and yet they were not satisfied.

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"RE: Don't Understand INXS"
Posted by Majic Mitch on 08-17-05 at 03:02 PM
The panel seems to be split 50/50 amost as much as the viewing public. Where half love 'em, half hate 'em.

Count me in the first half, he ROCKS!


"RE: Don't Understand INXS"
Posted by photokitty on 08-17-05 at 03:14 PM
Well, I think I get it...JD seemed like his usual self, especially in the last half, when he got up to work the crowd.
It's like, he wasn't able to just sing the song--he couldn't let the song be the center of attention, he had to overpower it...Maybe their comments had more to do with their own hopes and expectations--I think they wanted to hear JD sing it sweetly, like Mick Jagger did, and JD put a hard edge on it, like Axel Rose would have.

Anyway, that's my attempt at interpretation. It wasn't everyone in the band, though--Tim said he was convinced, and that JD did a good job on the song.


"RE: Don't Understand INXS"
Posted by CattyChat on 08-17-05 at 03:20 PM
I was surprised by the lukewarm responses, except for Tim's praise. I thought he did pretty good, not his best, but it was really good.

I figured that maybe it's because overall, J.D. has been getting good feedback from Dave & INXS for everything he has done so far, even the stuff to rile up the other rockers, so maybe they are trying to not overly stroke his ego, so to speak.

Also, I think they have really high expectations from him and he is a serious contender, so any criticism is only going to help him get even better, keep him on his toes and not let him get "too comfortable."

If you notice, some of the other performers in the past, on not so great performances, INXS was "kind" in their remarks. It won't help them get better and I think INXS just wanted to be nice & send them on their way.


"RE: Don't Understand INXS"
Posted by geg6 on 08-17-05 at 04:36 PM
As I keep find myself saying...

Ditto, la chat.


I'm such a slut for the blues.


"RE: Don't Understand INXS"
Posted by ginger on 08-17-05 at 05:26 PM
Frankly, the only interesting version of that song IMHO was Marianne Faithful's, anyway.



I used to sing it as a lullabye - it has that dronishness.


"RE: Don't Understand INXS"
Posted by calichica on 08-17-05 at 07:16 PM
I think JD's version was actually pretty interesting. He's the only one there who has even a drop of charisma - he just needs to back it with more consistent vocals. I know people diss him for the songwriting clinic stuff, but think: if a young Michael Hutchence was auditioning on this show, do you honestly think he would give a &$@* about being friends with everybody?? Doubt it. JD gets that and BTW, it's more individualism than selfishness, IMO.

In other news, Mig was great, really transcended himself. But he plays it too safe most of the time. I think Suzie did a great job but she can't move around on stage, apparently(ditto Jordis). Marty should be in a grungier band than INXS. And for some reason, Ty leaves me cold as a woman - zero sexual energy emanating from him. I think he must have a lot of mannered theatrical training - really a shame, as it masks his real persona (whatever that is).


"RE: Don't Understand INXS"
Posted by Cathy the Canadian on 08-17-05 at 09:30 PM
Welcome to the boards Calichica.

I agree with your assessment 100%.

Marty is a one trick pony. He didn't listen to what INXS wrote with their song choice for him - that they wanted him to lighten up and not be so serious. I thought his version was pretty cool, but they didn't give him that song because they wanted to hear grunge again. I thought they would have said as much.

With Mig, I don't think it's so much that he plays it safe, as that he's too sweet. He has no edge.

Ty has a beautiful voice, but I agree his performances leave me wanting.

And J.D. wants this more than anyone. It all goes back to what Dave Navaro said: the others are auditioning for A band, J.D. is auditioning for THIS band. The others are looking for a stepping stone for their own careers. J.D. will stay with this band as long as they'll have him.


"RE: Don't Understand INXS"
Posted by Loree on 08-18-05 at 10:38 AM
>
>With Mig, I don't think it's
>so much that he plays
>it safe, as that he's
>too sweet. He has
>no edge.


I think of MiG as the Anti-JD. JD doesn't care what the others think of him. He is in a competition to win. MiG seems more concerned with being Mr Nice Guy. He wants to be liked. He was horrified when the reporters told JD he wasn't liked and MiG immediately felt bad and apologized to JD. When MiG is given the encore he couldn't just enjoy the moment and perform. He had to call Marty and Jordis up on stage with him. I don't remember Marty or Jordis inviting MiG on stage for their encores. But MiG didn't want to look better than them and cause jealousy. He wanted the other Top 3 on stage too. I would like to see MiG with more edge. As Dave said he needs to drink some vodka and show some edge. I can't imagine MiG singing a song with any anger in it. It is almost like MiG thinks he is going to win for being the nicest guy. I think INXS is looking for a singer not a best friend.


"RE: Don't Understand INXS"
Posted by Hoobie on 08-18-05 at 12:00 PM
That is very well said. Regarding the encore, however...it really seemed to me that it was pre-planned. How did Jordis and Marty know which parts to jump in at and which parts to give to Mig? Yeah, I know that Mig could have told them just to do the chorus, but even at the end, when they were oohing, it seemed rehearsed.

"RE: Don't Understand INXS"
Posted by tamarama on 08-18-05 at 12:53 PM
re: the encore being pre-planned, and not happening previously.

When Marty & Jordis did their encores, no one knew who the top 3 were. Last night was the first time they announced that.

As for the harmonies -- singers do that all the time -- improvising harmony to a very well known classic isn't all that hard.


"RE: Don't Understand INXS"
Posted by weltek on 08-19-05 at 10:08 AM
Except there was a part at the end where they should've both jumped in, but without hestiation, they let Mig sing it himself.
The fact that neither even looked at eachother like "should we?"
gave it away for me.


"RE: Don't Understand INXS"
Posted by KittyMeghanLeah2 on 08-18-05 at 04:01 AM
I agree about TY.. I mean I know exactly what he is going to do so I don't bother looking on the TV screen just hear him sing and finish it.. It's getting too "rewind, press play"

"RE: Don't Understand INXS's JD"
Posted by Lightening_Odd on 08-18-05 at 06:57 PM
JD has but a drop of charisma.

"RE: Don't Understand INXS"
Posted by cycles2k on 08-17-05 at 09:37 PM
I no longer really enjoy watching JD so I thought the band's remarks were spot on.

"RE: Don't Understand INXS"
Posted by KittyMeghanLeah2 on 08-18-05 at 04:03 AM
I don't enjoy watching JD cuz I'm scared of what he's going to do, but hmmn.. it's like watching a car accident you can't help but watch to see what will happen.

"RE: Don't Understand INXS"
Posted by KittyMeghanLeah2 on 08-18-05 at 03:59 AM
Perhaps they know something we don't know? After all, we don't get to see the practice performances. Humming... See another perplexing aspect of the JD.. by the way what does the "J and D" stand for?

"RE: Don't Understand INXS"
Posted by Wacko Jacko on 08-18-05 at 09:38 AM
I thought JD performance was subpar. Right up there with We Are The Champions. I felt he at times struggled to get his words out. It was especially hard hitting because everyone else was getting praise. Some of those unrightfully getting praise. I don't think he deserved to be the only getting the bad criticism. Deanna later got some too, but mostly brought it on herself.

I wonder, though. Remember this show is taped. Maybe CBS is doing the same thing they did when they showed him in the bottom five. I have a feeling that we are not shown all the comments made by the band. I think CBS decided to show the negative because they love working the JD angle....as the villian.


"RE: Don't Understand INXS"
Posted by Lightening_Odd on 08-18-05 at 06:51 PM
>CBS is doing the same thing they did when they showed him in the bottom five. I have a feeling that we are not shown all the comments made by the band. I think CBS decided to show the negative because they love working the JD angle....as the villian.

Actually I was at the preformance and as usual they do edit out band members comments. Each actually comments on every performer. Only a few make it to the air. And at Sunday's taping (airing Tuesday night) JD sang very poorly. Every member of the band commented on his performance and were negative. JD began to blame the microphone then.... he tried to blame the HouseBand. All of this was edited out. If the world saw this go down then only his relatives would have voted for him.


"RE: Don't Understand INXS"
Posted by weltek on 08-19-05 at 10:10 AM
Um, but one band member actually made a positive comment out of the three we saw (Tim, I think)?

Sorry if I'm questioning your perceptions, but your "Mig spoiler" appears to have some holes in it.


"RE: Don't Understand INXS"
Posted by Wacko Jacko on 08-19-05 at 11:54 AM
I think his comments about editing the comments we hear on tv tells a lot. Things could be positioned how CBS, Burnett want it too.

As for the MiG Theory, I think MiG is a lock to be the winner. Whether or not their are holes in his theory. Could CBS have chosen candidates that would all MiG to shine I suppose. A female won't win so knock out half of the competition there. Then looks at the Males....I will only talk about the 4 we have left.

JD - seems like a soap opera character too much drama
Marty - seems to only like performing Grunge - which INXS is not. Where is Marty's soul???
Ty - he has things working against him too, although I really like him.

MiG will be the winner and I would call it a lock at this point.


"RE: Don't Understand INXS"
Posted by Hoobie on 08-18-05 at 12:01 PM
Not sure about the "D", but I swear I heard Jessica refer to him as "Jason" a few weeks back.

"RE: Don't Understand INXS"
Posted by CBRetriever on 08-18-05 at 01:24 PM
Saw on another message board that his real name is Jason Bennison

"a windy tirade on the suckitude of JD"
Posted by tamarama on 08-18-05 at 01:56 PM
I was more surprised by the positive comments he got. I thought his performance was all kinda suck.

The band wanted him to be more sincere, more real, less of a 'performance'. This is basically the same thing they have said to Ty in the past -- except that they gave Ty herpes by using the word "theatrical." Now everybody calls Ty "theatrical" like the word is an insult.

Dave made an excellent comment when Ty really hit it with "No Woman No Cry". He said something like "I saw a passionate guy rather than a guy portraying passion."

I believe this is what they were looking for from JD. Not JD doing his "rock star spaz" thing, but JD really feeling the song. I don't think he pulled it off - it felt really phony to me, especially the "for the children" crap and the mild seizure he had at one point.

A thought about his being difficult, pouty, not a team-player:
INXS has been around for decades. They've been through the "New Rock Star" stage, they're older, they have families. Do they really want to hang around with someone who's yet to go through any of it? (And JD's probably itching to throw back some Jack in the green room with a bunch of groupies.) Especially since INXS formed organically -- they were friends or chose to work together, and they've had years to learn to work well as a team. Are they really going to want to work with someone who can't even spend one day working in a team even when he was specifically told that teamwork was the whole point of the exercise? You say you want this JD? Then suck it up & do what they ask you to do!

The thing that should be the most elementary is that HE DOESN'T SING WELL. He just doesn't. EVERY time he tries to sing softly he has major pitch problems, major control issues, he can't sustain notes, and his voice sounds completely different than when he's belting - like a different person. Yes, he can belt - and he belts fairly well. (eh, so what? singing softly is harder.)

One last thing....WHY ON EARTH does it matter if "He wants it more"?

First of all, prove it. Prove he wants it more than any of the others. OR, is it just that the others behave like adults, like professionals...so JD's little tantrums & episodes just look like stronger desire...or uh, 'cause he SAID he wants it more?

But most of all, since when is "wanting it more" criteria for choosing a winner? Or choosing a job candidate? This is a talent-based competition. This isn't "Queen for a Day".


"RE: a windy tirade on the suckitude of JD"
Posted by photokitty on 08-18-05 at 04:10 PM
Yes. YES. YES!!

I agree with every single point you made.


"RE: a windy tirade on the suckitude of JD"
Posted by toddE on 08-18-05 at 04:19 PM
Me too.

And I'd like to add that part of the reason he does it is to cover his limited vocals. He is canny.



"RE: a windy tirade on the suckitude of JD"
Posted by tamarama on 08-18-05 at 05:11 PM
Wow.

Thanks for the love Todd & Photokitty!

(now I brace myself for the JD-lovers to smack me...)


"RE: a windy tirade on the suckitude of JD"
Posted by Dorian on 08-18-05 at 06:04 PM
No need to brace. Your tirade is exactly what I would have to say about a couple of the others if I felt so inclinced. Every one has a right to their wind.

I simply feel the opposite about J.D.


"RE: a windy tirade on the suckitude of JD"
Posted by shanana banana on 08-18-05 at 05:51 PM
I do like JD but I agree with everything you wrote, Tamarama. lol

"RE: a windy tirade on the suckitude of JD"
Posted by Cassandra on 08-18-05 at 10:55 PM
Amen, sister Tamarama! What she said!

I can't wait until J.D. has to sing an INXS song. If it's rangy at all or a ballad, he's gonna murderize it. We'll find out how much they're protecting him when he hits the bottom three.

Never thought of Mick Jagger as a ballad singer but when listening to J.D., I kept thinking how much more kindness and tenderness was in his voice verses J.D on the same song.


"RE: a windy tirade on the suckitude of JD"
Posted by leianawd on 08-25-05 at 04:27 PM
So what if he can't make certain ranges. The way I feel is I would rather him not make all the ranges in his voice then to sound like a duplicate of someone else who has already made it. When I buy a cd I want someone who is original not a good impersonator.

"skill & originality are not mutually exclusive"
Posted by tamarama on 08-25-05 at 05:16 PM
Having a sizable range and good technique has nothing to do with being original or an impersonator.

In fact, I would argue that the bigger your range and better your technique, the more opportunity you have to be unique, to be an original -- you have more & better tools in your toolbox.

Still, this is apples/oranges :: skill/originality.


"RE: a windy tirade on the suckitude of JD"
Posted by Lisa0116 on 08-25-05 at 05:45 PM
>Amen, sister Tamarama! What she
>said!
>
>I can't wait until J.D. has
>to sing an INXS song.
> If it's rangy at
>all or a ballad, he's
>gonna murderize it. We'll
>find out how much they're
>protecting him when he hits
>the bottom three.
>
>Never thought of Mick Jagger as
>a ballad singer but when
>listening to J.D., I kept
>thinking how much more kindness
>and tenderness was in his
>voice verses J.D on the
>same song.

AMEN AMEN and AMEN!!!

JD and his palsy moves really gross me out. Let's face it-old "Fortune" shouldn't be trying to wave gang signs like he is a card carrying cryp or blood-he is probably more of a "subdivisions" guy. I also believe that INXS has said more than once that they are not looking for a singer-they are looking for a band mate-someone to join their groove. If he doesn't work and play well with others, how exactly will that help a band?? He would stomp off pouting because they won't arrange things the way he wants to sing them. Just my opinion-no singers were harmed while forming this opinion.



"RE: a windy tirade on the suckitude of JD"
Posted by leianawd on 08-26-05 at 09:25 AM
Personally, I think J.D. would do better making it on his own in fact I think they all would since it is hard to join an already famous band replacing their lead singer.

"RE: a windy tirade on the suckitude of JD"
Posted by weltek on 08-19-05 at 10:12 AM
As someone who interviews job candidates, I think wanting it more makes a big difference. If skills & talents are about equal, desire & passion can get you the job. It shows you'll be loyal and hardworking.