Defense Counsel for Howie:

Counsel: Did you initiate contact with Booger as you were leaving the house?

Howie: No

C: Well, the prosecution is alleging that you initiated contact with Booger and the tape seems to intimate that there may have been some contact. Howie what do you see when looking at the tape?

H: It appears to me that we were moving towards each other and that we got as close as two people can get with out actually touching.

C: Judge, I ask that you throw out this case. The prosecution has yet to produce Booger and the prosecution has failed to establish his prima facie case. The video is sketchy and the intent of Howie has not been proven or has the alleged contact.

DRONES

You speak as though you are a defense lawyer. Good argument counselor.

Since Howie never actually touched Boogie, this is a non-issue...but continuing with the "evicted from the show" line of thought, Boogie basically told CG that he had the power and it was strong enough to get CG booted if he put up Will. My understanding was that Boogie was not allowed to tell anyone of this power. With that said, why wasn't Boogie penalized or even "evicted"? If they penalized him by taking the power away from him (as many are saying), why would BB let him basically use the power anyway by allowing others to believe what he said? At that point they should have stepped in and told everyone in the house they just took the power away from Boogie. Howie would still be here and wouldn't have looked like a jerk with his outburst, Boogie wouldn't have looked like a scared little punk by yapping to Howie as he left but hiding behind "What are you going to do, there are 20 people outside that door" comment when Howie got in his face, and Erika would be gone.

Indirectly saying that the power is there and does he want to risk having it be used is different from saying directly that he has the power and exactly what it does.

Reminding CB of what basically everyone already knew doesn't IMO violate the you can't tell anyone you personally have it or what exactly you personally can do with it.

>Indirectly saying that the power is
>there and does he want
>to risk having it be
>used is different from saying
>directly that he has the
>power and exactly what it
>does.
>
>Reminding CB of what basically everyone
>already knew doesn't IMO violate
>the you can't tell anyone
>you personally have it or
>what exactly you personally can
>do with it.

I disagree - if you are going to put it out there that he can't tell anyone then to let Boogie say what he did was breaking the rules. He 100% put it out there and confirmed that it was him with the power and that he would use it on CG if he put Will up. I see no difference between what he said and saying "I have the power and you are gone if you put Will up." To say otherwise is splitting hairs and makes a mockery out of this so called stipulation. Let the others speculate what they want, but you better not confirm it. Imagine all those clown's (no offense Shakes) reactions if Janie had the power and was threatening people with it?

What I don't get is at that point why didn't CG just say "What the heck is wrong with you, Will asked me to put him up." You have a punk like Boogie threatening you in front of everyone not to do something that his master told him to do but you don't call him out? Makes me really wonder aboout how legitimate this show really is.

<He 100% put it out there and confirmed that it was him with the power

Hi MarkP.

Boogie simply talked around the issue, but I agree, he got the message across. He didn't explain what the power was, but he did get to use it.

Boogie was not likeable, but I think he worked around the rules just fine.

Everyone is entitled to my opinion.

>
>Boogie simply talked around the issue,

Hey okay

I guess some of us have a different idea about what it talking around the issue and what is pretty much putting it out there so that everyone knows exactly what he was saying. As far as I am concerned Boogie could not have been any more direct in what he was saying. Bottom line is this coup was a very dumb idea in the first place and this little stipulation that you could not tell anyone was totally useless based on how they let Boogie tell everyone without actually saying it word for word. Heck, if they let he do what he did then they could have just let him hold up a jumbled sign saying I have the power and cross me and you are gone (thus indrectly telling them!).

I can't even believe there's any argument about this.

Boogie never said he had it. He danced around it. He implied that either he had it or he knew who did. He never said what the power was and never said he actually had it. The rules never said anything about implying anything. They said you couldn't tell. That leaves plenty of room for implying. And? Boogie could have done the same thing even if he didn't have it (I would have!). What would the person who actually had it have said at that point? Nothing!

Now the whole Boogie not being on the same page as Will thing? Agreed, that was stupid.

>I can't even believe there's any
>argument about this.
>
>
In all honesty I can't either. Boogie stood up and basically said "Wink, Wink, someone has the power and you are gone if you nominate Will." In fact he actually said that most people think it was him who had the power. Anyone who thinks this is not the exact same thing as telling everyone he had it isn't paying attention amd to let him "imply" (that seems to be the buzzword here) in such a manner was yet another problem with the mechanics of how this show is run.

There has to be a line where you can not hide behind the word "imply"....Boogie clearly crossed that line. He could not have made what he was saying any clearer. (and lets not hide behind Boogie could be lying because he always does - if thats the case just let him say he has the power instead of "dancing" around it).

He never actually said he had it. The rules were followed in this instance.

End of story.

Implying something and actually saying it are two completely different things. Regardless of how obvious the implication may have been.

It's hard to make logical points to the Legion of Janelle, but thanks for trying, geg.

>It's hard to make logical points
>to the Legion of Janelle,
>but thanks for trying, geg.
>

Seems to me this is the first time Janelle's name is even mentioned in this thread and it wasn't mentioned by her "Legion." I guess Janelle bashers will have to find another pastime once she is gone (just like in the house, everyone seems to be obsessed with her for some reason). I'm rooting for Will - the smartest player in the game. Janie would be my 2nd choice (only because I'm not too fond of anyone else there and she seems to be a better person than the rest and not nearly as hypocritical) but aside from challenges she is one of the worst players ever to play this game which to me means she is undeserving. So as far as making a "logical point," I guess the "Legion of Will" fans are lacking also geg.

>I disagree - if you are
>going to put it out
>there that he can't tell
>anyone then to let Boogie
>say what he did was
>breaking the rules. He
>100% put it out there
>and confirmed that it was
>him with the power and
>that he would use it
>on CG if he put
>Will up. I see no
>difference between what he said
>and saying "I have the
>power and you are gone
>if you put Will up."
> To say otherwise is
>splitting hairs and makes a
>mockery out of this so
>called stipulation.

...you could not be more wrong with these comments! I may have only gone to DePaul Law School and been a trial attorney for 10 years, but I am 100% sure that you would lose your case in front of any jury or judge in America. He 100% did NOT tell anyone that he had the power...and alluding to it or implying that "someone" had it and "someone" would be mad at him are 100% not the same as telling him no matter what you PERSONALLY think.

If you don't believe me, I'm sure Ayak will back me up and unlike my dumbass he went to Harvard Law School. They're pretty smart there.

Another lawyer here (although not a *shudder* trial lawyer )- I'm backing the clown on this play.

Mike can sit there and say "someone in this room has the power *wink, wink*" all day long, and he isn't breaking any rules. Does everyone and their mom know Mike holds the power? Yes. Did Mike say "I have the power"? No. No rules broken.

~vintage tribephyl~
hee! By the power of greyskull! I have the power!

I think BB screwed up with this power.

They should have set it up so that the CDT winner could use it after the veto ceremony and before the eviction vote by going into the diary room and telling the producers then.

The problem was that asking at the eviction ceremony if "the person who won the power wants to use it now, please speak up", announced to everyone that it was a veto style power.

Boogie should also have been told when he won that not only can he not talk about the power or tell anyone he has it, that he can't use it to threaten an HOH in making nominations.

He basically did use it to threaten the HOH in making nominations. Technically there was no rule against it, however I don't believe that BB7 intended it to be used that way.

Technically there was
>no rule against it, however
>I don't believe that BB7
>intended it to be used
>that way.

...he did nothing wrong. Case closed.

If you don't like the rules, don't get mad at the player who exploits them to his advantage. these comments aren't directed at you directly, just anyone who is mad at Boogie for acting well within his rights.

If Boogie did nothing wrong, why did BB strip him of the Coup d'Etat power?

Was it because of his comments to CG, or some other reason?

Perhaps it had nothing to do with Boogie's comments. Perhaps BB reasoned that the HOH cannot overthrow himself, and simply voided the power.

>If Boogie did nothing wrong, why
>did BB strip him of
>the Coup d'Etat power?
>

Uhm, what show are you watching? Cause on the show I'm watching, called BB7, Boogie was never stripped of his Coup powers.

put down the crack pipe. And if you're not smoking crack and you honestly think this, then please never drive, vote or dress yourself.

On the live feeds, Boogie told both Danielle and Will that his Coup power has been taken away by BB.

If you are going to post in the LIVE FEEDS thread, try to keep up with the rest of us.

>On the live feeds, Boogie told
>both Danielle and Will that
>his Coup power has been
>taken away by BB.
>
>If you are going to post
>in the LIVE FEEDS thread,
>try to keep up with
>the rest of us.

..here, I'll speak slowly so you don't get lost.

Boogie's Coup power was NOT taken away from him, he was told that he can't use it as HOH and since this was the last week he could use it, it was no longer valid.

Capiche? Or do I need to draw you a picture?

His power was taken the day before for telling Will about it.

Excuse me, shakes, but where exactly did I claim Boogie broke the rules?

I think what Boogie did was wrong in the sense of being improper, but I didn't claim he broke the rules.

...he did nothing wrong.

Neither did Louden Downey and Harold Dawson, and look what happened to them.

Actually, although he didn't come out and state he had the power and what it would do, he directly led everyone to believe it.

Unlike you, I don't claim to be infallible because I went to the big scary "Depaul Law School", but I think most people would agree it's a distinction without merit.

Considering that this rule wasn't a law, and it isn't about a court case, and the rules are entirely handled by people on a television team who want to make things interesting and not annoy the viewers. The question in the minds of the producers would essentially be, would the viewers feel Boogie broke the rules or not.

If you are such a successful lawyer with 10 years of experience in law, wtf are you doing spending all your time reading a bigbrother forum? Go back to work and stop being a *****.

I get the impression that you are one of those people who get a law degree and throw the fact into people's faces every time you can. "Waiter, there's a fly in my soup! I'm a G**D*** Lawyer for crisakes!"

You come across more like a teenager trying to impress everyone.

>Actually, although he didn't come out
>and state he had the
>power and what it would
>do, he directly led everyone
>to believe it.

that's is ALL that matters. Just like you just admitted, he NEVER told anyone he had the power. As for your comments about "directly led everyone to believe it", I don't even know what that means it sounds so stupid. Actually, all you do there is make a case for everyone being stupid as opposed to Boogie breaking any rules.

>
>Unlike you, I don't claim to
>be infallible because I went
>to the big scary "Depaul
>Law School", but I think
>most people would agree it's
>a distinction without merit.
>
>Considering that this rule wasn't a
>law, and it isn't about
>a court case, and the
>rules are entirely handled by
>people on a television team
>who want to make things
>interesting and not annoy the
>viewers. The question in
>the minds of the producers
>would essentially be, would the
>viewers feel Boogie broke the
>rules or not.
>
>If you are such a successful
>lawyer with 10 years of
>experience in law, wtf are
>you doing spending all your
>time reading a bigbrother forum?
> Go back to work
>and stop being a *****.
>
>
>I get the impression that you
>are one of those people
>who get a law degree
>and throw the fact into
>people's faces every time you
>can. "Waiter, there's a
>fly in my soup!
>I'm a G**D*** Lawyer for
>crisakes!"
>
>You come across more like a
>teenager trying to impress everyone.
>

As for all this other stuff, just filler, basically you saying that you have nothing to say so you try unsuccessfully to attack me. Hasn't worked on here for 6 years so it ain't gonna work from some newbie nobody.

Dude, you've been on this forum for 6 years?!

So between World of Warcraft, internet porn, and this forum....
Where did you find the time to go to law school?

It's time to get up from that sticky chair, go take a bath...

And for god's sake...GO OUTSIDE!

A little sun can't hurt, can it?

>Dude, you've been on this forum
>for 6 years?!
>
>
>So between World of Warcraft, internet
>porn, and this forum....
>Where did you find the time
>to go to law school?
>
>
>It's time to get up from
>that sticky chair, go take
>a bath...
>
>And for god's sake...GO OUTSIDE!
>
>
>A little sun can't hurt, can
>it?

its no suprise that someone with all of 14 career posts would come back with textbook message board reply 101. Basically it goes like this....we're both on a message board but let me point out that you're a loser for being on a message board.

sorry hon, but that crap may work against a retarded 7 year old, or howie, but it doesn't work against anyone else. Come back when you have something original to say.

Until then, continue to be owned.

Oh and you forgot to mention all the time I've spent building a highly successful law firm, not to mention all the time I've spent lowering my golf handicap to single digits. I'll let you include those in your next post.

Care to compare W2's?

3222 posts.... yeah, you got me there.

And by all means, if you want to post your W2's, I'm sure everyone you have been bashing would love to see just how much your worth..

This is so much fun, I make Big Boy Lawyer sooooo mad.(Yes boy, because women don't have pissing contests)

Ok, your turn, post #3223

I love how he keeps throwing his law school bullcrap in our faces.

It's almost as though he actually thinks we give two shits.

This shakes guy comes off as just another troll trying to get as much attention as possible.

Hell, he's a novice troll if anything.

Guy ought to pick up "Internet Trolling for Dummies".

>;o

By the way shakes, I have an uncle who died recently.
He had down-syndrome.

Please try to refrain from using the "R" word.

>I love how he keeps throwing
>his law school bullcrap in
>our faces.
>
>It's almost as though he actually
>thinks we give two shits.

you say "we" like you even count around here Mr. one post wonder.

Come talk to me when you actually exist.

>By the way shakes, I have
>an uncle who died recently.
>
>He had down-syndrome.
>
>Please try to refrain from using
>the "R" word.

..we'll compromise, how bout just tard?

I decided to come out of my comfortable lurking spot just for you Shakes.

You ought to be flattered.

As for the tard comment.....

How old are you really, 12?

Go back to school little boy.

>I decided to come out of
>my comfortable lurking spot just
>for you Shakes.
>
>You ought to be flattered.

...considering you're about the 800th person to do it, its really not that big a deal by now. I'm well aware of my popularity and my ability to compel people to join up here and post. In fact, Webby sends me 73 cents every time someone else writes the word "shakes" on the message board.

>As for the tard comment.....
>
>
>How old are you really, 12?

....who are you kidding? Coming to a message board and telling total strangers that your possibly really existing uncle is retarded and dead...and you expect a person like me to care? Don't post crap like that on a message board, its tired, useless and always comes off as fake.

Besides, I'm a Darwynist...do you think I care that your tard uncle finally did the world a favor and choked to death on his own drool?

we're done, you have nothing. Anymore time spent with you and I have to send you a bill...and we both know you can't afford me.

>3222 posts.... yeah, you got me
>there.
>
>And by all means, if you
>want to post your W2's,
>I'm sure everyone you have
>been bashing would love to
>see just how much your
>worth..

Shakes has immunity because he's an original poster.

Um, but it's "you're" as in "I'm sure everyone you have been bashing would love to see just how much YOU'RE worth." You know, the contraction for "You are" as opposed to the possessive "Your" as in "Hey! Is that YOUR book?"

Happy to help you have shakes take you just a wee tad more seriously. May I suggest "The Elements of Style" by Strunk and White? The silver covered book edition is particularly well written.

Cheerio!>
>
>This is so much fun, I
>make Big Boy Lawyer sooooo
>mad.(Yes boy, because women don't
>have pissing contests)

Please don't speak for all women. I rather enjoy a good pissing contest. Thank you!
>
>Ok, your turn, post #3223

LadyRose, if you want to understand shakes a little better, go to the Love Cruise forum and look up the Fox.com Lost diary thread authored by shakes.

It's a tad amusing and a little sad. I'm sure you'll enjoy

Here's the link. I think she's right; this explains shakes as well as anything:

http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID19/301.shtml

Relocking.

LAST EDITED ON 08-22-06 AT 04:58 PM (EST)

I may have only gone to DePaul Law School and been a trial attorney for 10 years,

...building a highly successful law firm, not to mention all the time I've spent lowering my golf handicap to single digits

Bragger.


Holey carp! My blog! MySpace!
Official OT Tassel Adjuster and OT Fantasy Football Champ! o-

No, I'm impressed. Just three years ago, he was altering his score by double digits on every hole.

As fas as the "secrecy" of the CDT power, I went back and watched on tape what BB said to Boogie. The secrecy was on the part of CBS. They said they would not tell any of the other house guests that he had the power or what the power was. There was no mention in there that he wasn't allowed to reveal to others that he himself had the power. Unless, of course, that may have been edited out for tv and just assumed that it was understood that he was supposed to keep the secret. The key though is keeping the secret to be used at the exact moment as a surprise.

PS no head butt=no assault or battery...if taking someone's cap and tossing it constitutes an assault then the cops need to head down to the high school near my house because there are teenage boys there trying to impress teenage girls by throwing other teenage boys' caps around

I think the only contact Howie made was with Boogie's hat.

Thanks Tribe!

Howie needs to grow up. I thought he needed to be in time out.

Of course, he's going to his own little hell - MarcellAss.

They'll drive each other nuts. Why can't there be cameras in sequester?!

Everyone is entitled to my opinion.

I think cameras in sequester would be fun!

I admit Howie was childish. I still felt bad for him though.

Thanks Tribe!

Like I've said in other post Howie had no right to throw a tantrum unless the tantrum was directed at himself. Not only did Howie not say anything in his own defense to CG but he continued to blindly believe that CT was on his side even though they were the reason he was nominated in the first place!!! Howie truly had no business playing this game and I don't consider him being Janelle's puppet much of a strategy.

I didn't get the impression that Howie head- butted Boogie either. It was close but it was more in a way when guys try to intimitate each other by getting so close they could kiss...lol.

As far as Boogie letting the cat out of the bag.....well when he gave his speach to CG I took it as him saying that someone in that room had the power and they would use it against CG. To me that could have been him saying he had it or him pretty much exposing his alliances and indicating that the numerical chance of one of them having it was quite high. But that's my opinion of how I took what he said. If he can find a way to use the "unknown" power to scare people without atcually having to use it then hey great, I would try to find loop holes if I were him too.

While I agree that Howie was out of line - guess what? - I LOVED IT ANYWAY!

Also, agree that coup was a stupid idea placing too much power (way stronger than an HoH) based on a competition. Even though the power was never used it did change the game. Erika would be gone right now instead of Howie.

>While I agree that Howie was
>out of line - guess
>what? - I LOVED IT
>ANYWAY!
>
>Also, agree that coup was a
>stupid idea placing too much
>power (way stronger than an
>HoH) based on a competition.
> Even though the power
>was never used it did
>change the game. Erika
>would be gone right now
>instead of Howie.

I agree 100% on both points....and in a sense the power was actually used since without Boogie's little "I've got the power speech" as you said Erika would be gone.

I also agree. I enjoyed watching Howie's last stand. Boogie deserved it. Howie let off a little steam, and deservedly so.

As for the coup, it puts WAY too much power in one person's hands. Not a good twist, at all.

LAST EDITED ON 08-21-06 AT 12:28 PM (EST)

This is quite easily the DUMBEST.POST.EVER

Need to get your eye-glass prescription updated Shakes?

Of course there was no headbutt. First of all, you could tell from watching it. And even If there had been, Boogie would have instinctively reacted physically in self-defence.

This doesn't imply in any way that I think Howie was right. He is a tool who doesn't know how to play the game and can only blame himself for his eviction.

Edited to fix an errant comma.

Half man, half amazing, all DAW

Good one, Meemo.

I agree with everything you said, especially the part about Howie being responsible for his own eviction, although calling him a tool is giving him too much credit.

No headbutt... BUT Boogie did jump like a little B!@#$. Then he started with the, "Get to steppin'" chant.

Howie should have laughed it off. He really has not played the game this year, and just walked around looking confused most of the time - uncomfortable to watch, really.

HOWEVER. He was lied to by Boogie and CG. I mean LIED to. He is entitled to a reaction, but he should have laughed it off.

Boogie saying "Bros before Hoes"... REALLY. Does anyone else think Boogie is the cheesiest character in BB history (excepting Cappy...)?

Any news on the feeds about Danielle panicking with James?? This is really delicious.

>LAST EDITED ON 08-21-06
>AT 12:28 PM (EST)
>
>This is quite easily the
>DUMBEST.POST.EVER
>
>Need to get your eye-glass prescription
>updated Shakes?
>
>Of course there was no headbutt.
>First of all, you could
>tell from watching it. And
>even If there had been,
>Boogie would have instinctively reacted
>physically in self-defence.
>

how the F is this the dumbest post ever???? I NEVER said that it was DEFINITELY a headbutt...if you opened your friggen eyes you would see that I was ASKING if there was a headbutt since I couldn't tell for sure. How is that dumb????

And Boogie DID react to it, he definitely jumped back a little which could imply that there was contact or that he thought there would be contact (textbook definition of a criminal asault).

So don't try to jump on the anti-shakes bandwagon w/ this crap. You're gonna have to try a lot harder than that to give me that award.

in fact, for your out of line retort you get.....

DUMBEST. REPLY. EVER.

Boogie is the Johnny Fairplay of BB7...and that may be an insult to Fairplay.

>Boogie is the Johnny Fairplay of
>BB7...and that may be an
>insult to Fairplay.

whether you want to admit it or not, Boogie's bullying of CG before the Veto ceremony was one of the brilliant plays this game has ever seen.

Unfortunately for Boogie, he won HOH right after that so his efforts to keep Will off the block and thereby save his Coup until the next week were null and void, but since he couldn't have known that at the time it doesn't change the brilliance of his speech to CG.

And you have to give respect for him doing it in front of EVERYONE instead of tgrying to do it behind the scenes.

It was ballsy and it was brilliant.

As much as I disliked Boogie in BB2 there is no doubt that he has become a much better player in his year's away from the game. Obviously hanging around Will will have that affect.

I have to agree 100% with the clown.

If Boogie were that brilliant, he would have thrown the HoH challenge. But he was still upset about Howie and decided to go for it, thus nullifying his and Will's power. Will shoulda smacked his nappy head for that bonehead move.

Sigs by Bob about chalk dust. Pretty exciting stuff