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"Housewives of Orange County Season 4 2008/2009"

Posted by aquariaqueen on 12-31-08 at 02:09 PM
Seriously, this was a great episode, but pleeeeeeze.........the drama. Just goes to prove
money doesn't answer everything.

We find out that "Nugget" is in memory of his baby that was miscarried by his girlfriend, and
after seeing ultrasounds, it looked like a Chicken McNugget....seriously, this is how you want
to remember this? With "Nugget" tatted in your lip???? Definitely not ready for fatherhood.

Lynne, does anyone else think that she's been in the sun wayyyyyyyyy too long? She going to
look like that old lady in "Something about Mary". If you haven't seen it, rent it!!!! She looks
so harsh.

Gretchen, while I understand that you can't stay at the hospital all the time, it does seem like
she's out socializing quite a bit, but she probably does have a contract with the show to obligate.
It was good to see Jeff's kids there, and they didn't say anything ill about Gretchen, so that's a
good sign that it may be more balanced than looks in the show.

Jeana plays a relatively small role this week....Kara being cut off from spending money is funny.
Good to see she got herself a job, and even convinced the boss to make changes in the back
area of the store. Good for her.

Tamra with her regular friends was a hoot. "You could feed a lot of starving people with that watch".
Brings this all into a different perspective, doesn't it?

Vicki and Briana going to give blood. Vicki can't because of the accutane? Is that an acne medicine?
I'll have to Google that. But in the end, once again, it's all about Vicki......Good going, Briana, you
may turn out normal afterall, especially if you put some miles between you and your mother.

And, yes, Alexa, you looked like a tramp!!!! And it was your mothers dress??????????????????????

Little Miss "I'm going to be 18" once again comes off as a spoiled ungrateful brat. She gets the car.
Hope they have a number for a good attorney for those DWI's.

And how is Lynne going to fit in by saying "Cut" to the conversations she doesn't deem important.
I think Jeana is right, she's lucky she didn't get ##### slapped by Vicki!!!! She tried to end 2
conversations on the first outing.....she aint gonna cut the mustard, friends.

What did you think???? OC is sooooooooo much better than Atlanta!!!!

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give to those
who would not." Thomas Jefferson.

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"RE: Housewives of Orange County Season 4 2008/2009"
Posted by Hoobie on 01-01-09 at 02:33 AM
Agreed - OC is way better than Atlanta. But I may not be impartial

I feel for Gretchen. Don't want to give spoilers, so I won't, but I have to agree that Gretchen shouldn't have gone to Bass Lake. I'm torn on whether I believe she really loves Jeff or not. She acts like it most of the time, but that comment about having sex is her "diet", didn't sit well with me. For some reason, I don't think Jeff is the person she's having sex with.

So, Vicki and Jeana are our only originals left. It makes me actually miss Lauri. Vicki has aged a lot since the beginning of the series. I don't see how she can love her job SOOOOO much. It's selling insurance people!! I like my job a lot, but I don't prefer it over spending time with my husband. Donn is another one that I really feel for. It seems like he's trying to connect with his wife, and she's constantly dismissing him. I'm interested to know what's going on with Jeana's husband, Matt. Last I heard (locally), he got busted for drinking in a bar, while on probation.

Lynne and her daughters bug the crap out of me! For her not stating her age, I'd have to guess it's lat 50s? She looks that way anyway. But, I agree with AQ - it's the sun (or spray tanning) that is not her friend.

Tamra, Tamra, Tamra. I suppose she's my new favorite character to watch. But she's SO superficial, and not representative of Orange County at all. I like how she played both sides of the Jeana/ Vicki argument in last week's episode.

"RE: Housewives of Orange County Season 4 2008/2009"
Posted by AshLanie on 01-02-09 at 06:58 AM
Vickie couldn't give blood (Imho) probally because of her alchohol blood level (Even though shwe said it was because pf the accutane). All I ever hear out of her mouth (And going into her mouth)is does someone have the beer? The wine? etc etc etc.

I will say one thing about this show:

It proves money does NOT mean one has class. I haven't seen one woman (Whether it be the Orange county, Atlanta, or the New York ones) that have any class.

They are like a bunch of high school teens with their gossip, jealousy, and drama. Their children aren't any better but then again, one does learn from ones parents eh?

As for Lynne saying cut..I agree that was wrong but...Vickie (Think it was her) saying that she (Lynne) should just sit there and not say anything because she was new to the group was so wrong. Who is she to decide who can talk and who can't?

I do like watching the show though....It is entertaining to watch these ladies *act* all grown up when all they are are *barbie dolls* for their *adult* hubbies.

"RE: Housewives of Orange County Season 4 2008/2009"
Posted by zazzy on 01-16-09 at 08:08 PM
Surprised there isn't more dishing on this show by RTW folks!

This season I get the stronger feeling that the producers are setting things up, like their going to the spa together or the race track together...Vicki and Tamra looked so bored at the racetrack. I bet Vicki wished she could be on her laptop while she was at the track. She needs to get an iphone.

Why was Jeanna's husband on probation?

Who is Gretchen sleeping with?

Is Laurie coming back next season? Sounded like she would, with her comment at lunch with Tamra.

What's the latest on Josh?

How old is Lynne?

How sad that Lynne and her oldest daughter both have etched frowns on their faces. The 15 year old still has time to etch one in as well.

How is Coto doing in the real estate downturn? Jeanna seems to act like everything is still ok. Is that true of that price range?

Who do you all think is the shallowest housewife? Give examples of why, lol.

"RE: Housewives of Orange County Season 4 2008/2009"
Posted by JessicaRN on 01-17-09 at 12:13 PM
I think that you are right about things being set up more. When a new Housewife comes on the show, all of a sudden they all have to socialize together, creating tension and competition. They are no longer real friends, but forced to be together for filming purposes.

I still like Jeanna. Her comments are hilarious.

Vicki seems to have totally lost it as the seasons have gone on. I feel bad for her husband who routinely gets embarrassed on national TV.

"RE: Housewives of Orange County Season 4 2008/2009"
Posted by weltek on 01-21-09 at 12:11 PM
I feel like they definitely push the new housewife on the group. Whomever they can get to agree to the show, "Here you go, ladies! Your new friend!"

I like Jeanna a lot and hope her love life improves.

-A Tribetastic Creation

"RE: Housewives of Orange County Season 4 2008/2009"
Posted by aquariaqueen on 01-17-09 at 12:51 PM
LAST EDITED ON 01-17-09 AT 12:52 PM (EST)

Yes, more forced relationships....but with the others in the real circle left, they had to fill in somehow.

Lynne---is she even on this earth? Doesn't think her daughters would drink her wine, um lady, your daughter was telling you how to get over a hangover. And trying to shush the established housewives will get you no where, has she ever watched the show? And she looks terrible. She really should show less skin, and just show her shape.

Jeanna---still my favorite. I think I could go out with her, and typically, I wouldn't take Playmates too seriously. It's neat that she has relationships with her exes. After all, there is a reason why you initially loved them. Poor Matt had the brain injury that altered his emotions. Guess she stayed so long because of "for better for worse".

Tamra---she's becoming more despicable by the episode. By setting Gretchen up with that much alcohol is criminal. And her son is no gentleman going after her when she's in such a condition. At least Jeanna was trying to get her to stop drinking.

Gretchen---for a party girl, she was thrown into reality of life with an older gentleman who is terminally ill. She's obviously not dealing with the stress too well, especially by being on a reality show, but to be used like she is by some of the housewives is not justifiable. And by the way, she's absolutely gorgeous, and I love her dinner dresses.

Vicki---my dear, the years are not being kind to you. And even when you go home to Chicago, it's all about you. Your mother told you something important, but I don't think you listened. Why should she visit you when all you do is work? I have family like that...."come visit us" and when you do, you're ignored. Wake up Vicki, you're flying a million miles an hour, but not seeing the scenery.

I love OC, followed by NYC, but couldn't relate too much to Atlanta. But I keep watching because it's just too darn fun.

ETA: Did anyone else see the alcohol disclaimer at the end of the show???? And also, here in the STL area, the show was immediately followed by a commercial from MADD. Cool commercial, by the way.

"RE: Housewives of Orange County Season 4 2008/2009"
Posted by zazzy on 01-20-09 at 11:06 PM
No, what was the alcohol disclaimer? It flows so freely on RH/OC.

"RE: Housewives of Orange County Season 4 2008/2009"
Posted by JessicaRN on 01-21-09 at 01:12 AM
I was wondering what they were going to do about the spoiled brat who was drinking and driving the new car that her parents gave her. I know that the Real World producers have stepped in before and stopped one of the drunken roommates from driving.

I thought the episode where Tamara set out to get Gretchen drunk was disgusting. Usually this show makes me laugh at the ridiculousness of the women, but this episode was disgusting. What person older than 20 sets out to get someone else "naked" drunk. And Tamara's son, Ryan, really gives me the creeps. I missed the episode where he goes from wanting to be a police officer to wanting to be a bartender.

I did appreciate Jeanna and Lynn trying to save Gretchen from herself. These women just seem really, really desperate this season.

"RE: Housewives of Orange County Season 4 2008/2009"
Posted by weltek on 01-21-09 at 12:18 PM
Tamra definitely is turning out to be worse than I thought. How horrible to purposely try to make Gretchen into the night's big jerk.

I actually have been warming up to Gretchen, though her loudness and constantly being the center of attention would get old.

While I don't particularly like Lynne, at least she has a really good heart and was concerned about Gretchen.

-A Tribetastic Creation

"Jan 20 episode"
Posted by aquariaqueen on 01-21-09 at 10:01 AM
Well, thank goodness Ryan finally left her alone. How many times did she tell him no! Unfortunately, idiots like Ryan take "you're so cute, but no" as a come on. "You're so cute" is meant not to hurt feelings, but it's a mixed message for some animals like Ryan. I would be so much more direct, like "get the he!! out of here, or I will rack you in the nuts and have you arrested for attempted rape", but that's just me.

How about the pool party and Ryan's behavior? And he's been doing this since he was a child? Seriously???? Tamra didn't raise a gentleman, she raised a pig! No wonder some men just don't know how a gentleman is supposed to act.

The shopping spree was kinda neat. Those vibrators were beautiful! I agree, they didn't look like vibrators at all. And did you see the cost? Gretchen in her ear! Silly girl.
Jeana's comment was funny especially since she was a Playmate.

This group of gals this season seems so forced. I liked it when they had each other in common. Lynne doesn't fit at all.
Tamra is annoying, shallow, and childish.

While I agree that the discussion about insurance and getting Gretchen's ducks in a row was probably inappropriate among so many people, they were right, just too much information and opinions in the wrong setting. That should have been done in an intimate discussion at someone's home.

I hope Jeana can get out of her funk, unfortunately, I see so much of myself in her.

And please, someone tell Lynne to wear more clothes! Her skin is unattractive. She can still look sexy in blouses/slacks/skirts, etc. Even the skin on her arms is falling. I guess that's why she needs to wear such large cuffs to direct your attention elsewhere.

I so enjoy being a voyeur of these woman.

Catty and petty in STL.

"RE: Jan 20 episode"
Posted by jonimoni on 01-21-09 at 08:30 PM
What kind of person not only allows but encourages her son to get her supposed friend drunk and then try to sleep with her? There are set rules about how a gentlemen behaves and this is a big no no! I guess Tamra's teacher never got that far in her etiquette classes or they thought it was common decency!

"RE: Jan 20 episode"
Posted by ARnutz on 01-21-09 at 09:09 PM
I agree. This season is pushing the envelope with the mix of the old and new women.

I like Gretchen and feel really bad for her. It's not fair the sh...t that they've put her through, but it is her choice to be on there. She is beautiful and I think the catty getting older and have to be plastic beetches are jealous.

I am totally HATING Vicki and Tamra' attitudes with the new ones. Mostly when the two of them are together. It is downright painful to watch them be oh, so high school and two faced.

Ryan is an effing PIG! ...and he must get it from his mom. She's the one that raised him. Tamra has absolutely ZERO class. I have no clue how seemingly classy Simon wound up with her... unless he likes pigs. Doh! That must be it. He wanted a little trophy wife ho-in-the-bedroom type.

Jeana has her problems, but is the only sane one left.

Lynne? She's nice enough, but ew. Get a haircut and cover yourself up.

I think the producers made this group add to the drama factor because they thought it would boost ratings, but it is starting to turn me off.

That is exactly the reason I hated the Atlanta bunch... and it seems one of them was not causing enough drama to be signed for season 2.

"RE: Jan 20 episode"
Posted by true on 01-22-09 at 09:06 AM
I'm guessing Lynn doesn't get a spot next season for the same reasons. Bo-ring. (She is even more dull than Quinn) Lori will come back because she can't stand not being in the spotlight.

This OC season makes me cringe. Almost every time one of them opens their mouth I shudder. If this is what it's like to have tons of money in California, count me out. These women have zero class and even less dignity. Of course, anyone who had an ounce of self-respect wouldn't go on this show, but that's what makes it so fun to watch. These beeotches are DAWs, plain and simple.

"RE: Jan 20 episode"
Posted by ARnutz on 01-23-09 at 11:37 AM
Agreed. I think we could get the same effect from 5 broke-azz, drunk moms living in trailers (no offense to anyone who lives in a trailer - just trying to generalize the opposite of an OC housewife).

In previous seasons, this show was more like a glimpse into their lives. It was kind of cool to see them being almost normal, except with lots of money and fun things to do. Now??? It's how much drama can they make!

I think this is a direct result of the spin-offs and the producers trying to "script" stuff like making them have lunch together.

Posted by ARnutz on 01-24-09 at 08:21 AM
A funny blog about the OC ladies. *snort*


"Feb 3 episode"
Posted by aquariaqueen on 02-04-09 at 07:07 PM

Lynne-visits with her mother. Mother in a nut shell tells her she's spoiled her children and had enabled them, after Lynne complains about their lack of ambition. MOther is startled that Lynne doesn't run the vacuum or the garbage disposal if they're sleeping. MOther is mortified. Dad was a military dude, and Lynne wasn't raised that way.

Jeana-goes home to Wisconsin and sees her sister and parents. They seem rather normal. It's been 5 years. She thanks her younger sister for taking care of the parents. Evidently, Jeana does send them money. (that's nice)

Tamra has lunch with her mother a month or so after the plastic surgery, she looks ok.... Tamra wants to set her up on dating websites.

****what's with all the family stuff?

Jeff is home from the hospital, and looks puny. Get prepared! The kids are back in OC to help out. Gretchen has a girls weekend, and the kids will take care of their father.
This has me a little torn. Should Gretchen go to Vegas? Should she stay home. I would consider the HW of OC as her job, and this was a scheduled weekend for production, so she was going to work. This also allowed time for the kids to be with their father without Gretchen which is good too. I like to be with my dad without his wife sometimes, even though I do like his wife.

Vicki-making tacos with Don, and Briana comes home from work at the hospital. I find it bizarre that they really don't know what Briana does, and is surprised by the things she has to do in the hospital. Do they really ever talk? They decide to keep the river house and fore-go the million dollar yacht. (I bet they love that decision now)

Las Vegas.....typical stuff. Great presidential suite. They go to the black jack tables, and Vicki is astounded that Lynne and Gretchen don't know how to play. With Gretchen it was all an act. She played stupid blonde and came out winning some bucks.
They have dinner and then later go dancing. They get some action from men in the club, Lynne's dress is ummm....hmmm.....you figure it out.

Oh I forgot, they went to the pool in which Jeana says some pretty good one-liners!!! I loved it. In fact, I found myself rewinding to read what was said, the script was kinda fast sometimes.

"RE: Housewives of Orange County Season 4 2008/2009"
Posted by ARnutz on 02-18-09 at 06:42 PM
Jeepers. I can't believe the season is over. On to NYC!

It was really cool that they had all the former housewives at the party along with the current ones. I always wonder what some of them are up to, like Kimberly!

My finale thoughts to the housewives:

Tamra??? Who the eff do you think you are? You are the most judgmental narrow-minded person I've ever seen. I think you are jealous of Gretchen because you will never be as fun-loving and beautiful as she is. EVER! No matter how much plastic surgery you make your hubby pay for.

Vicki? Get over yourself. You are not all that. You are not even half of that!

Lynne? Your girls will strive to be a materialistic trophy wife just like you because that is all they have ever seen. Good luck with that!

Gretchen {{{hugs}}} So sorry about Jeff.

Jeana!!! Love you!!! Keep on keeping it real.

"RE: Housewives of Orange County Season 4 2008/2009"
Posted by aquariaqueen on 02-19-09 at 10:17 AM

What an episode. I am so glad that they finally revealed Jeff's death. Kudos to me for never spoiling it with any of my friends. The reunion show looks torturous for Gretchen. Poor girl.

Briana telling Vicki about going into the service...Vicki, it's not always about you. And Vicki acted like this was all new to her, does she ever listen to anyone besides the voices in her head?
Vicki and the Rolex, again, the world is not solely about you.

Jeana, nice to see her on a date. She had a nice one to start out dating again. How lucky was this guy to go out with a former Playmate? She looked nice at the party.


Gretchen-the motor cycle. The Coach gifts. I think she's stunning. I think she needs to get back in the working world and prove herself, just to prove it to herself. She's going to need a lot of support, especially after she watches the show and hears the opinions of Tamra.

Lynne-trying to crack down on her child, but at the same time makes her daughter an english muffin with some peanut butter. Seriously, your daughter is at the age to ask you what you'd like, Lynne. Ahhhh, she has to find a job, poor girl.

Good to see the other gals at the cocktail party. Most of the kids were there as well. Colton killed me.

Reunion show next week....can't wait.

"Reunion show"
Posted by weltek on 02-25-09 at 11:24 AM
What a mess that reunion show was.

Vicki-It's really Vicki's way or the highway, isn't it? She's so narrow minded. I think Brianna is a great kid-Vicki & Don must do something right there. Her affect at the reunion show was a bit off.

Jeana-I *heart* Jeana, though sounds like she might have been catty about the Gretchen/Jay thing behind closed doors. I look forward to seeing if she finds a good man.

Gretchen-The stalker turned good friend that hangs out with me is odd. I do think her relationship with Jeff was real. I think she could've cheated on Jeff, but we'll never know.

Tamara-I'm so ready for her to leave the OC. She and Simon are so effing petty. The "end of season party" episode was ridiculously catty.

Lynne-She started to grow on me more, but I think she's a bad match for the show. Not to mention, the women are just mean to her. I agree that her kids will always be spoiled brats. Gawd help their husbands if they ever get married.

The guest spot of Laurie was kind of pointless.

-A Tribetastic Creation

"RE: Reunion show"
Posted by aquariaqueen on 02-26-09 at 10:18 AM
Ack..........terrible reunion show, and too many commercials. What a disappointment when this was supposedly their best season!

Tamra----you are a piece of trash. How dare you, how dare you. Leave Gretchen alone, you weren't going to be happy until you saw her dead!!! What business is it of anyone's if she was sleeping with Jay? Grief does wierd stuff to people, trust me, I know. And blowing off the actions of your son....dispicable.

Vicki---you're not entertaining at all anymore. You're a bore. A self-centered bore at that. You're a one trick pony...and it's always your pony. And you and Donn, sorry, you treat him worse than I do my husband, and that's not something to be proud of.

Jeana---you still come off as one of the sensible ones. (That tells you volumes about the others). I love your snarky comments. Time to step up and be something to yourself.

Gretchen---keep your real friends and your family closer, and the liquor farther away. I can't imagine going through grief with a production company camera in my business. It's just not healthy.

Lynne---should you come back next year? Probably not. They need someone who already is in the group or at the very least knows one of the others.

"RE: Reunion show"
Posted by JessicaRN on 02-26-09 at 04:16 PM
I thought it was weird when Lynn started crying and Vicki right away said "you made me cry too." It all sounded like an argument on a playground. These women just seem desperate and petty and mean. I don't buy it then when they keep saying, but we all like each other. I know that I don't treat my friends like this (or even my enemies).

Has anyone else noticed that Lynn's house does not look lived in. When she is in the kitchen, there is nothing at all in there to show any sign of family life.

"RE: Reunion show"
Posted by jonimoni on 03-01-09 at 03:55 PM
LAST EDITED ON 03-01-09 AT 05:31 PM (EST)

Tamra, I wish you read this site because "MORAL CHARACTER" is something you know nothing about.

What a waste of skin and hair. She is a bit chunky for the clothes she wears and there are not enough etiquette classes on the planet to teach her class....yuk! These women equate money with class and these things do not go hand in hand, just because you can buy a Rolex or have someone gift you with one does not make you a good human being or mean you have class.

The only woman here I would care to know is Jeana, she seems real, the others are just boobs and hair!

"What's Gretchen up to???"
Posted by aquariaqueen on 03-20-09 at 09:57 AM
Well, I heard on the radio she's been seen with Slade at a basketball game, and I stumbled onto this link. Sorry, it's a pretty trashy site....


“I love Jesus but I drink a little”. Gladys Hardy

"RE: What's Gretchen up to???"
Posted by ARnutz on 03-20-09 at 05:43 PM
LOL!!! Love this:

Slade was in the first couple of seasons of The Really Plastic Housewives of Orange Skin County.

"RE: What's Gretchen up to???"
Posted by true on 03-22-09 at 09:43 AM
Ewwwww...on both sides. Slade sure does get around that circle. Jo, Lauri, and now Gretchen? Did I miss one? Ewww, I just don't get the appeal of that loser. Gross.

Gretchen's innocent routine really doesn't fly anymore. Not that it ever really did fly. She is what she is, and what she is is obvious.

"RE: What's Gretchen up to???"
Posted by JessicaRN on 03-22-09 at 04:55 PM
I was thinking the exact same things. Are there no other men in the OC besides Slade? It really could have been interesting to see Gretchen go through a grieving process and resuming her career, as most other young women would have to do. Instead, somehow these two found each other. It's as creepy as Tamra's son.

"RE: Housewives of Orange County Season 4 2008/2009"
Posted by Agman2 on 02-19-16 at 04:53 PM
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