I am one of the people who is annoyed that Janelle wins everything.

I am not annoyed because of some stereotype or because she is a woman and all the other superficial reasons some people have for being annoyed with her.

I am annoyed because whenever she wins she does Will's dirty work. CT doesn't have to win comps and HOH as long as Janelle keeps winning. With Janelle in the HOH seat it's as good as if CT had won it.

When she wins she doesn't do anything with the win other than listen to Will. I am annoyed with her because she lied to her alliance and protected Will and Boogie. I am annoyed with her for flirting with Will because he is manipulating her and I don't like it. Janelle is more than her looks. She actually has a brain and I would like to see her use it.

That's why I am annoyed with her!

I agree with all of this too.

I want to stay in my cacoon and believe it is all editing and that BB is trying to show her vulnerable side this year.....But the feeds don't lie. It's too consistent.

IF Will was of Boogie charm (uugghh)...it would be a non issue. CT would have been up and one would have been gone by now. AND..I hate to say it, but I think the fact that Will doesn't permit to any sexual contact and that he does remind her he has a girlfriend......is a conquest to her that steers her in a different direction than the game.

So it's really not the "winning", it's the aftermath of the winning, that gets you. That makes a difference.


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>I am one of the people who is annoyed that Janelle wins everything.

At least she WINS on her OWN merit...unlike the "Queen of Handouts" (Danielle) who had the HOH "win" handed to her by Erika and the POV "win" gift-wrapped by CT + James.

>At least she WINS on her
>OWN merit...unlike the "Queen of
>Handouts" (Danielle) who had the
>HOH "win" handed to her
>by Erika and the POV
>"win" gift-wrapped by CT +
>James.

Interesting choice of words. Own Merit - Hmm. Lets see, did we or did we not see a redo of the HOH comp this week - first one in BB history. On the first go around Janielle was out - not because of her buzzer but because she got the question WRONG. Then because of "technical difficulties" (yeah right -the producers wanted Janie to still be in the game), we had a redo (first one in BB history) and she conveniently won it. So if we are talking about gift wrapping anything, Janielle was handed the HOH by the producers, heck they probably gave her the answers ahead of time to make sure she won. Pleazzz - Own merit - I think not.

And while we are on the subject - I agree with another poster who said she may win these competitions, but she has no power. Her game play and decision making abilities stink. That is why I further think she is being dragged along by the producers to get further in the game. She is supposedly "smart" enough to win the comps but cannot figure out that Will is playing her like a fiddle. Yeah right!! Let's wake up and smell the expresso please.

Aruba, I agree with you 100%.

Danielle is BB7's biggest joke.

The two competitions she "won" were indeed handouts, and then she acts so tough, like if she was some bad a$$.

She makes me sick!

"Danielle is BB7's biggest joke."

Danielle is anything but a joke. She is a bada**. What you call a handout I call strategy. HOH is a coveted power in this game and her alliance members are giving her the power because they know she knows what to do with it.

Unlike the S6 people and a few other HGs she is not afraid to play the game and get her hands dirty. Badass all the way.

And another thing...the fact that Woogie throws all the comps is in a sense handing the victory to whoever wins it Janelle included.

LAST EDITED ON 08-22-06 AT 03:36 PM (EST)

>"Danielle is BB7's biggest joke."
>
>
>Danielle is anything but a joke.
>She is a bada**. What
>you call a handout I
>call strategy. HOH is a
>coveted power in this game
>and her alliance members are
>giving her the power because
>they know she knows what
>to do with it.
>

I interpreted this differently. Erika handed the HOH to Danielle so Dani would take the fall for whatever decisions were made. If Erika and Dani are in an alliance to take out Janelle, Dani should really question Erika's motives for throwing an HOH if they are both supposed to be on the same team and with similar goals. Why would Erika prefer to have Danielle take out Janelle instead of doing it herself? Danielle never asked herself that question. She ran with the HOH and acted all high and mighty as if she had actually earned it.

I think what you are missing is that Danielle wanted to be the one to take out Janelle. She didn't question Ericka because she came right out and asked for the HOH. She wanted it. She wanted to be the one to nom Janelle and evict her.

She wasn't afraid of taking the fall. She is not like some of the other HG who are afraid of being the bad guy and want to manipulate others into taking the fall. She wanted to do it herself. She even made a comment about not wanting to backdoor Jani but wanting to evict her directly. To her face not behind her back...bada** all the way. Up close and personal my kind of girl.

Chappi; you're conspiracy theory is lame. The HOH malfunction was just a recent debacle to an otherwise sorry season, but with the malfunctions across the board they had no choice but to replay it. NO, the answers were not given to Janelle ahead of time and she made the most of her second chance than anyone else in the House and won on her own merit.
The fact that she got an answer wrong in the first time around is immaterial because the actual individual does not need to win HOH to "win" the HOH competition. For example, if Howie took the HOH title, Janielle wins also. If Boogie takes the HOH title, Will wins as well. If Erika is HOH, Danielle wins too, etc., etc.

If Danielle orchestrated her hand-outs I might be convinced that it could be "strategy", but that's not the case. It was CT + James that approached Danielle with the plan to gift-wrap the POV to her. There are some winners in Reality Shows that can wear a "C" on their chest for Champion and others wear that "C" that stands for Carried. When Danielle is victorious, her "C" stands for Carried.

When Janelle wins HOH it is as good as if Will won it. Her noms are always influenced by Will. Danielle is not being carried in this game. She has the good sense to create relationships with people who will do some of her bidding for her because they know she and them are on the same page. That is strategy.

Janelle's "alliance" members wouldn't even play veto for her. The reason why is because she hasn't created any kind of reciprocal relationships with people in the house. Every player needs people to win ... no one wins this game alone.

You are correct that a HOH win for Janelle is also a win for Will.

Wrong again with Danielle. Not only is she being carried, but being manipulated by CT who will toss her out like a piece of spoiled meat when the numbers dwindle.

You are right that Janelle lacks "reciprocal relationships" in the game. But that is largely created by the fact that it was 10 vs. 4 (SS6) the very second everyone walked in the House and before any strategy was played. Since they had the most representation than any other season, they were immediately targeted. In Janelle's case more of a victim of circumstance than bad play. The only reason 3 out of the 4 SS6 are still in the House is because they have won 4 out of the 6 HOHs.

LAST EDITED ON 08-17-06 AT 07:45 PM (EST)

You keep saying Danielle is being carried and Danielle is being manipulated by CT. Can you please provide proof of that? Throwing a comp in favor of someone who wants to win it is not carrying somebody nor is it proof of manipulation of the person who won it.

If you wanna talk about being carried in the game I got a name for you ... Howie. He can't help Janelle win anything or make any decisions. Nor does he come up with any strategy on his own. If his alliance hadn't have controlled HOH he would have been long gone.

Danielle has her own strategies and makes moves to help herself. She isn't depending on anybody to help her in this game. Hell she would put up CT in heartbeat if it kept her in the game. And James may be a close friend but I doubt she would flinch to vote him out if it meant she could get closer to the half million.

S6 was only in danger when they made thier alliance obvious. And if they had been smart enough to let other's in their alliance they wouldn't have had a target on their back. In the beginning Erika, Marcellus, Danielle, Jase, Diane, and Nakomis all tried to make deals or allign with them but they declined. CG and Howie had a good relationship and not once did Howie try to include CG in their alliance. Bad Gameplay.

No agruement from me that Howie is being carried by Janelle and BB6 when they were four players strong. The difference is that Howie KNOWS he is riding their coattails and is not dillusional by thinking and saying what a great "player" he is. His diary room confessions focused on what a strong force BB6 was and that he was part of a strong alliance. The same cannot be said for Danielle. But now I understand why Danielle is so dillusional--it runs in her family. For her mom to say that Danielle "won" the POV after Janelle nominated her after they replayed James (with CT) approaching Danielle to tell her they would save (carry) Danielle and hand the POV to her, is a perfect example...and there's your "PROOF".

Go back to the premier episode this season and several HGs IMMEDIATELY went to the diary room and expressed concern about four HGs being from BB6 and they needed to be dealt with ASAP. There is PROOF that they were in danger right from the onset.

While we are on the PROOF kick...why do I say Danielle is not smart??? 308 minutes in a week???!!! And she needed every bit of those minutes to come up with that "intelligent" answer!
NUFF SAID!

Geez Louise
Regardless of how the POV or HOH was won, Danielle did indeed win it. Her mother spoke the truth. I think this Janelle obsession is going over the top. Janelle very well may be the best competitor BB has ever seen. She's likable (especially last year) and not in the least bit fat(as so many hamsters have said). On the other hand, she's being played like a fiddle. In the end there can only be one winner. In the end, Janelle is not playing the game to win. Not everyone is in love with Janelle like the people who post on this board. Isn't it concievable that Danielle's mother actually likes her daughter more than she likes Janelle. Hard to believe I know. From the clip they showed last night, it's easy to see who was the first to let their claws show. Janelle was being nice-nasty to Danielle in the hot tub. She could hardly hide her contempt. Also the clip with them sitting at the table and Danielle read the fortune about going to a place far away. Janelle, chirped in with "yeah, Sequester." Janelle can be a bit**, especially, no I take that back, only with the female players. Janelle is one of those women who does not like other women. It shows and most women can pick up on that. And in her mind as well as her mother's, the reason is because girls/women are jealous of Janelle. Now that's delusional. If women dislike her, it's probably because she thinks she's better than them and they should be jealous. There's no disputing Danielle is indeed much smarted than Janelle. Math's not my strong suit either. But you better believe I've heard "pull the wool ovr your eyes" and "you reap what you sow" before. "You sow what you reap"....pure genius. And I'm sure she had no idea what Danielle was referring to when she spoke about Dolly the cloned sheep.
You can like Janelle with out hating everyone else who's also trying to win the same prize Janelle is after. Give me a break.

Nice post Reality.

Nice post Miami Joe!

I didn't take Janelle's comment "yeah, Sequester" as anything but an attempt at humor. If Howie had gotten it and she'd said it, even if Howie had been up for nomination at the time, would you consider it to be mean-spirited?

I am pretty sure that Dani had already won the veto by the time she'd said it. She also said it with a smile.

I fully expected Dani to laugh and punch Jani on the shoulder in response.

If the positions were reversed and Dani had said it to Jani, I wouldn't call Dani a B**** for it.

Of course, I'm not a Jani lover. I think she's kind of stupid.

>From the clip they showed last night, it's
>easy to see who was the first to let their
>claws show.

Editing made it appear that Janelle threw the first "verbal" jab directly at Danielle, but I believe Danielle's "claws" came out first on Day One when Janelle and Jase WON the first HOH and Danielle immediately opened her trap and began conspiraring to have Jase purposely not agree with anything Janelle suggested so they would both go up for nomination and vote Janelle out. Technically I wouldn't qualify that as "backdooring", but personally I regard that as just as much a Bush League maneuver all the same.

Problem for Danielle is it got back to Janelle and she retaliated by nominating Danielle. That's how I saw this Janelle vs. Danielle catfight begin. I don't pay for the live feeds and all that nonsense, so I personally don't know if Janelle said anything to or about Danielle BEFORE she tried to pull off that Bush League tactic against Janelle. But that would be my guess as to whose claws came out first.

LAST EDITED ON 08-18-06 AT 02:47 PM (EST)

Based on your viewpoint alliances really aren't needed in this game. Because if a person can get their alliance members to help them then that means they are taking handouts. So an alliance from your perspective is like a crutch of some sort. Strategies to ensure your alliance members get what they want and stay in the game is a handout or is being carried. Oh ok.

Well I still stand by the fact that she has her own strategies, makes moves to keep herself safe and is not being carried by my definition.

Your proof doesn't extend beyond her winning a couple of competitions that her alliance members threw in her favor. Big Deal throwing a comp doesn't prove anything because all the comps thrown in her favor benefitted the individuals that threw them. Ericka didn't want to get her hands dirty so she threw the comp to Dani. CT doesn't want Dani leaving the game because as long as she is there they are not targets for eviction. James doesn't want Dani to leave because he is on the verge of being kicked out of his alliance and will need somebody to fall back on. Reciprocity, one hand washes the other....that's my proof she isn't being carried.

There is a huge difference between Howie and Danielle. Like I said he doesn't come up with any strategies and really adds nothing to the game. It's great that he knows that. But Danielle is fully aware that she has noone but herself in this game. She was completely surprised the LOD came up with a plan to save her. She didn't whine and moan and beg and plead or even ask. She was gonna try and save herself by herself.

Sure everybody was gunning for S6 in the beginning but like I said before the easiest way for them to have removed that target would have been to add members to the alliance or pretend that there was no alliance. All they had to do was reassure people that they were no threat and turn everybodys attention to Will because he had already won or to S5 because they had 3 from that season all they needed was 1 more to be as big as S6.

Anyway its a moot point because the game has progressed well beyond that point.

When did I say Alliances weren't NEEDED in this game??? Now's your turn to show me proof. For the record I feel alliances ARE important. And in all alliances you have the leaders, the workers, the doers, and the ones that initiate the wheeling and dealing...and then you have the followers, the coattail riders and the ones who are carried. James, Will and Boogie qualify as the workers and doers in this alliance. And Danielle qualifies as the one being carried up to this point. Having the workers and the doers throw the competitions in Danielle's favor is proof enough of who's being carried.

The proposed strategy of BB6 adding members to their alliance would have been far from easy. Why in the world would other HGs buy into their alliance when they would have felt like a fifth, sixth or seventh wheel in that alliance??? It would more advantageous to start their own alliance where they would be #1 or #2, or jump unto CTs bandwagon and possibly be #3 or #4 with them. The numbers CLEARLY dictate the BB6 could not have "easily" added members to their alliance of four. But then again based on the HOH tiebreaker numbers is obviously not a strong suit to some of these so-called "smart" players. LOL

James wasn't on the verge of getting kicked out of s6. He threw the comp so that he wouldn't have to betray the fact that he was in an alliance with Dani.

James has been the 4th wheel in his alliance since day one. As a matter of fact it was his own alliance that nominated and voted him out last year.

So he has been on the edge of that alliance from day one. They have questioned his loyalty since the beginning.

It is very clear and not a point to argue that he didn't want to expose his relationship with Dani and that yes he threw the comp.

It is also a well known fact that his alliance members questioned his loyalty.

>S6 was only in danger when
>they made thier alliance obvious.
>And if they had been
>smart enough to let other's
>in their alliance they wouldn't
>have had a target on
>their back. In the beginning
>Erika, Marcellus, Danielle, Jase, Diane,
>and Nakomis all tried to
>make deals or allign with
>them but they declined. CG
>and Howie had a good
>relationship and not once did
>Howie try to include CG
>in their alliance. Bad Gameplay.

There was no way to avoid the obvious alliance between the Sovs. Anyone who watched last season would know that S6 was playing together. The real problem with the Sovs was that they never really agreed on who to align with. Janelle wanted to align with Nakomis. She liked Nak and wanted to develop a reciprocal relationship with her. Kaysar ruined that possibility by nominating her. The only one who succeeded was James by aligning with Danielle, but that was a by-product of everyone else targeting lame ducks, instead of taking out the real threat: Danielle.

And why is everyone, especially the guys, complaining about her fake boobs? What the hell is wrong with you?

>And why is everyone, especially the
>guys, complaining about her fake
>boobs? What the hell is
>wrong with you?

I don't recall complaining about her fake boobs.. ....Are they fake??

I think that's a good question for the Doctor on House calls.

>And why is everyone, especially the
>guys, complaining about her fake
>boobs? What the hell is
>wrong with you?

Don't mind Bacon, he's from West Virginia so he's never seen fake boobs. In fact the closest thing to plastic surgery he's ever seen is when his girlfriend/2nd cousin melted a plastic spoon to her inner thigh with a bic lighter on a dare.

Not that it made sense, but a zing is a zing.

The thing about fake boobs for me is this:
real and fake boobs are like comparing a live puppy
to a stuffed animal. Yah, both are cute, perky, adorable
and cuddly, but as we grow older the live puppy grows with
us and we appreciate the changes in the dog and continue
to love, adore and play with the dog even when full grown.
However, as we get older, the stuffed animal starts growing "old"
in a less positive way, it gets frayed, stiff and soon ignored,
and soon isn't as important to the mature human.

Of course, "mature human" is a relative term and I'm sure there
are millions of people who would choose a stuffed animal over
a mature dog of any shape or variety.

*snort*

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