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"Dissect Andy's game."
Posted by Estee on 09-19-13 at 07:16 AM
What did he do right?What did he do wrong?
For 95% of his time in the house, what did he do?

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- RE: Dissect Andy's game.,newsomewayne, 08:18 AM, 09-19-13
- RE: Dissect Andy's game.,newsomewayne, 08:32 AM, 09-19-13
- RE: Dissect Andy's game.,samboohoo, 12:16 PM, 09-19-13
- RE: Dissect Andy's game.,Snidget, 01:38 PM, 09-19-13
- RE: Dissect Andy's game.,kingfish, 08:38 AM, 09-19-13
- RE: Dissect Andy's game.,Aruba, 10:22 PM, 09-19-13
- RE: Dissect Andy's game.,Round Robin, 04:19 AM, 09-20-13
- RE: Dissect Andy's game.,Aruba, 06:29 AM, 09-20-13
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"RE: Dissect Andy's game."
Posted by newsomewayne on 09-19-13 at 08:18 AM
LAST EDITED ON 09-19-13 AT 08:18 AM (EST)For 95% of his time in the house, what did he do?
Apparently, he held things.
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"RE: Dissect Andy's game."
Posted by newsomewayne on 09-19-13 at 08:32 AM
I think Andy did a lot of things right. And the best thing he did was own it all during his jury questioning. He didn't deflect or hide. He didn't blame others or say he had to do things because of how the house felt. He admitted he lied and backstabbed. And he gave it a just purpose - to cover his own butt.I don't think of him as a floater. If he had just been a swing vote to help others when they needed him, he would be a floater. But he was an integral part of every alliance he was involved in. Multiple alliances doesn't make you a floater. That makes you a player. And like having 3 girlfriends at one time, the real trick is not getting caught.
His infiltration into all conversations was crucial to the the Goof Troop mid-season dominance.
His regaining Judd's trust when Judd came back was huge in his remaining off the radar of others, including Judd.
And at the right time, he completely played McCranda out of the house. Without his ability to fool them over the course of 3 weeks, his game would have been shot.
"RE: Dissect Andy's game."
Posted by samboohoo on 09-19-13 at 12:16 PM
Ditto.
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"RE: Dissect Andy's game."
Posted by Snidget on 09-19-13 at 01:38 PM
See above.What is that saying about once you know how to fake sincerity...
The main thing was he knew what he needed to say/do for people to think he was on their side and was staying on their side even as he was selling them out to someone else.
I do think owning it may have gained him some votes in the end, probably was going to win anyway, but I think owning up to it, and being up against someone that wasn't very articulate about why she did what she did may have made it more of a landslide than it would have otherwise been.
"RE: Dissect Andy's game."
Posted by kingfish on 09-19-13 at 08:38 AM
I think Andy was just a good con man. And smart.He had the acting chops to convince whoever he was talking to that he was speaking undeceptively and sincerely. He was also pretty smart in anticipating possible events and outcomes, and putting in what safeguards he could to protect himself.
"RE: Dissect Andy's game."
Posted by Aruba on 09-19-13 at 10:22 PM
It's quite easy to dissect Andy's game...pre-midseason/post-midseason.Pre-midseason (much to his chagrin) Andy was your quintessential floater. Yes, Zigbot's appearance is for comic relief, but its "zigs" are based on facts and Andy would not be referred to as a "floater" if there was no truth to it. But it kept him out of harm's way until he needed to align.
Post-midseason his turning point in the game was the 3AM alliance. His association with Amanda/McCrea when they were the power duo kept him safe. And much to his credit, he picked the opportune time to cut ties with 3AM and latch onto the Exterminators who ran the show at the end.
The only thing he "did wrong" was putting himself in a position to potential fall victim to the "Enzo Syndrome." That's when no one wants to sit next to you in the F2 because of your reputation for playing a good social game.
What he "did right" was controlling his own destiny. He came up BIG in the F4 by winning BOTH the HOH and POV. If McCrea wins HOH and Andy does not win POV, he easily becomes the 8th member of the Jury. And of course winning the final three-part competition all but guaranteed him victory.
Owning up to your deception and back-stabbing works if you are not dealing with a bitter sore-losing disgruntled Jury. This season the only juror out of the nine I would say casted a "bitter" vote was Candace. So safe to say, it worked out for Andy.
I believe Dan did just a good job owning up to his deception and backstabbing as Andy did this season; yet Dan got smoked 8-1. Difference was last season's Jury was more bitter and Ian was a more likable HG than GinaMarie.
"RE: Dissect Andy's game."
Posted by Round Robin on 09-20-13 at 04:19 AM
Ian's win was 6-1, not 8-1. This was the first year of the 9 member jury.
"RE: Dissect Andy's game."
Posted by Aruba on 09-20-13 at 06:29 AM
Right you are...thanks for the correction. I knew Dan only got one vote.