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"East Coast Spoiler Thread for the final fight"
Posted by volsfan on 05-24-05 at 08:52 PM
Let's chat it up here and keep the discussion on this thread until the west coast has had a chance to see the show.
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"RE: East Coast Spoiler Thread for the final fight"
Posted by volsfan on 05-24-05 at 08:53 PM
Alfonso won. One judge scored it 49-46.
"RE: East Coast Spoiler Thread for the final fight"
Posted by ARnutz on 05-24-05 at 08:55 PM
another was 48-47, I don't know what the thrid one was.

That was a tremendous fight! Alfonso was awesome! I'm so happy for him! He won $200,000 & a new truck!

"RE: East Coast Spoiler Thread for the final fight"
Posted by volsfan on 05-24-05 at 09:00 PM
I think two judges went 48-47 and the other judge was the 49-46!

I totally agree that it was an awesome fight.

Peter's trunks make me laugh every time I see them flopping around!

"RE: East Coast Spoiler Thread for the final fight"
Posted by okichabbii on 05-24-05 at 09:02 PM
My gosh!!! what in the world??? I guess this is what happens when you bring boxing to Hollywood ... you get that mini concert. UGH!

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"RE: East Coast Spoiler Thread for the final fight"
Posted by ARnutz on 05-24-05 at 09:06 PM
Peter's trunks make me laugh every time I see them flopping around!

LOL! My son thought it was a skirt the first time he saw them! I would think it would be more of a distraction than normal trunks.

"RE: East Coast Spoiler Thread for the final fight"
Posted by volsfan on 05-24-05 at 09:11 PM
The way the flop around...they are distracting!
"RE: East Coast Spoiler Thread for the final fight"
Posted by volsfan on 05-24-05 at 09:01 PM
Oh wow! We get a mini-concert too!
"RE: East Coast Spoiler Thread for the final fight"
Posted by ladro on 05-24-05 at 09:09 PM
oh no, a recrap. Time to walk the dog.
"Round 1"
Posted by volsfan on 05-24-05 at 09:13 PM
Pretty good fight so far. Sergio got a few good hits in towards the end.I don't know who wins that one!
"Round 2"
Posted by volsfan on 05-24-05 at 09:17 PM
Sergio is pounding Peter! WOW! I think Peter is dazed. This is one hell of a fight! Peter hit Sergio after the bell!
"RE: Round 2"
Posted by Papashroom on 05-24-05 at 09:17 PM
I think it was more during the bell when he was still throwing.
"RE: Round 2"
Posted by volsfan on 05-24-05 at 09:19 PM
LAST EDITED ON 05-24-05 AT 09:21 PM (EST)

I don't know...Peter was apologizing so he thougth it could have been a late hit.

"RE: Round 2"
Posted by Papashroom on 05-24-05 at 09:21 PM
Yah i think he just got caught up in his volley of punches.
"Round 3"
Posted by volsfan on 05-24-05 at 09:21 PM
Peter comes out blazing! Sergio is fast and lands punches hard. I am impressed with him tonight. Another great round! Sergio is fighting back. Another tight round! DAMN COMMERCIALS!
"RE: Round 3"
Posted by Papashroom on 05-24-05 at 09:22 PM
i got it 2-1 manfredo
"Round 4"
Posted by volsfan on 05-24-05 at 09:25 PM
Sergio is barely missing punches. If he lands some it could be trouble for Peter. I may have to give this round to Sergio...he ended strong!
"RE: Round 4"
Posted by Papashroom on 05-24-05 at 09:25 PM
2-2
"RE: Round 4"
Posted by Papashroom on 05-24-05 at 09:28 PM
THANK YOU Manfredo! Sergio ran his mouth at a bad time that time.
"RE: Round 4"
Posted by volsfan on 05-24-05 at 09:29 PM
Damn! Sergio came out strong again!
"RE: Round 4"
Posted by okichabbii on 05-24-05 at 09:28 PM
LAST EDITED ON 05-24-05 AT 09:29 PM (EST)

what was that silence for??? was Peter's wife cussing??

"RE: Round 4"
Posted by volsfan on 05-24-05 at 09:29 PM
I don't know but I thought they just lost audio.
"RE: Round 4"
Posted by Papashroom on 05-24-05 at 09:29 PM
There he goes standing in the middle of the ring!
"RE: Round 4"
Posted by okichabbii on 05-24-05 at 09:30 PM
How many rounds is this fight???
"RE: Round 4"
Posted by volsfan on 05-24-05 at 09:31 PM
7
"RE: Round 4"
Posted by okichabbii on 05-24-05 at 09:33 PM
Think the fight will be stopped becasue of the cutt???
"RE: Round 4"
Posted by volsfan on 05-24-05 at 09:34 PM
I dunno. I think Sergio has a made it a much better fight than I thought he would. He may even pull it off and win.
"RE: Round 4"
Posted by okichabbii on 05-24-05 at 09:35 PM
wow, possible draw and Sly is asking for rematch??? or telling viewers if they want a rematch to voice their opinions.
"RE: Round 4"
Posted by Papashroom on 05-24-05 at 09:35 PM
I believe sergio has won due to his combo's
"RE: Round 4"
Posted by volsfan on 05-24-05 at 09:38 PM
I agree. He hit many combos and put a hurtin on Peter!
"RE: Round 4"
Posted by Papashroom on 05-24-05 at 09:40 PM
Problem with Vegas judges is due to the beting i feel alot are corrupt and go with the underdog in fights to get the big doe.
"RE: Round 4"
Posted by okichabbii on 05-24-05 at 09:41 PM
>Problem with Vegas judges is due
>to the beting i feel
>alot are corrupt and go
>with the underdog in fights
>to get the big doe.
>


So, in this case ... who is the underdog???

"RE: Round 4"
Posted by Papashroom on 05-24-05 at 09:43 PM
Mora in the betting pools.
"RE: Round 4"
Posted by okichabbii on 05-24-05 at 09:44 PM
the man they call THE LATIN SNAKEEEEEEEEE!!!
"RE: Round 4"
Posted by volsfan on 05-24-05 at 09:44 PM
Sergio.
"RE: Round 4"
Posted by Papashroom on 05-24-05 at 09:54 PM
I want you guys to notice something 1 judge gave every round to Sergio. Now if any of you are actual boxing fans you would admit that sergio didnt win every single round even sly and sugar said that. Now read up where I said the Judges are corrupt in vegas due to big fights and big money sergio was the underdog tonight although he clearly won. One judge was making sure there was no draw. The judges dont set side by side they set at 3 sides of the ring and I do believe this is one of those corrupt judges.
"RE: Round 4"
Posted by okichabbii on 05-24-05 at 09:58 PM
Wow ... thanks you for the heads up. I am glad you mentioned it, its not about skepticism but reality.
"RE: Round 4"
Posted by Papashroom on 05-24-05 at 09:59 PM
LAST EDITED ON 05-24-05 AT 10:00 PM (EST)

I watched the Shane Mosely OscarDe La Hoya fight a cpl years ago where De la hoya clearly won the fight and the judges gave it to Mosely (underdog). Even the announcers were like this is a sad sad sad day in boxing.

Oh yah guess where teh fight took place?

Ceasers Palace!

"RE: Round 4"
Posted by Srxc11 on 05-24-05 at 10:15 PM
i think your totally wrong.
Sergio clearly, clearly, won that fight, no question.
just because you wanted, or thought peter was going to win doesnt mean the fight was corrupt. A case can be made that sergio won each round, he had a tendancy to steal rounds at the ends of fights. also, 4 of those rounds were relativly close, and in many close rounds, the judges look at who threw and landed more punches. This was clearly sergio. He won the fight, i thought it was 6 rounds to 1.
"RE: Round 4"
Posted by volsfan on 05-24-05 at 10:24 PM
I don't think the poster is saying that Sergio shouldn't have won the fight. I too find it hard to believe that any judge would have given Sergio EVERY round! As you say...there were 4 rounds that could have gone either way.

Boxing has been corrupt for years and some were hoping this show would bring some good to the sport. But when you watch the fight we had tonight and see that one judge gave every round to a boxer...it makes think something! Doesn't it?

I thought Peter won the first round easily and possibly the second round. Sergio came on strong in round 3. JMHO!

"RE: Round 4"
Posted by Papashroom on 05-24-05 at 10:25 PM
>i think your totally wrong.
>Sergio clearly, clearly, won that fight,
>no question.
>just because you wanted, or thought
>peter was going to win
>doesnt mean the fight was
>corrupt. A case can be
>made that sergio won each
>round, he had a tendancy
>to steal rounds at the
>ends of fights. also, 4
>of those rounds were relativly
>close, and in many close
>rounds, the judges look at
>who threw and landed more
>punches. This was clearly sergio.
>He won the fight, i
>thought it was 6 rounds
>to 1.


Seeing that every single one of the ring side commentators scored some rounds for peter shows iam right. This goes to show there are ppl who know boxing and ppl who dont. I can name atleast 10 fights that were even investigated by the F.B.I. I stated that sergio clearly won but one judge scored him winning every round. So before you go spouting like a fanboi go review the FACTS.

"RE: Round 4"
Posted by Srxc11 on 05-24-05 at 10:28 PM
LAST EDITED ON 05-24-05 AT 10:29 PM (EST)

so your going to side with the ringside commentators instead of the judges...riiiight

"RE: Round 4"
Posted by UsmcWife on 05-24-05 at 10:39 PM
This is how I saw it, I am in no way a judge or anything, this is just my opinion and what I saw.

1st Round- Manfredo
2nd Round- Manfredo
3rd Round- I couldnt tell
4th Round- Sergio
5th Round- I coudlnt tell
6th Round- Sergio
7th Round- Sergio

I think that Sergio clearly won the fight. But I dont see where he won every round. JMO! : )

"RE: Round 4"
Posted by Papashroom on 05-24-05 at 10:45 PM
>LAST EDITED ON 05-24-05
>AT 10:29 PM (EST)
>
>so your going to side with
>the ringside commentators instead of
>the judges...riiiight


Can you read? I said even the commentators were giving Manfredo rounds. And then I pointed out the corruption with Vegas judges. Somehow you have taken what ive said and twisted into nonsense! Go find another thread your polluting a good discussion with your ignorant replys.

"RE: Round 4"
Posted by volsfan on 05-24-05 at 10:55 PM
LAST EDITED ON 05-24-05 AT 10:55 PM (EST)

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Posted by AyaK on 05-25-05 at 00:08 AM
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"RE: Round 4"
Posted by Da Contenda on 05-26-05 at 05:46 PM
I don't think we have to worry about corruption due to one fighter being an underdog, because there wasn't a clear cut underdog. I know on TV they were saying Mora was the underdog, but I was in Vegas for the fights and placed money on Mora at the Palms...where he was the favorite.
"RE: East Coast Spoiler Thread for the final fight"
Posted by Water_Walker32 on 05-24-05 at 10:39 PM
I give that one honestly to Sergio...he won fair and square....however, now I don't like him even worse. Way too much show off...no respect. Peter ran out of fuel. nothing left for the last 2 rounds.

Why didn't they give Jesse and Alfonzo 7 rounds?

"RE: East Coast Spoiler Thread for the final fight"
Posted by volsfan on 05-24-05 at 10:41 PM
I found many of the boxers to be really into themselves but I think that is part of the sport.

I agree that Sergio won the fight.

I was wondering why they didn't get 7 rounds too.

"RE: East Coast Spoiler Thread for the final fight"
Posted by decoy1 on 05-24-05 at 10:45 PM
LAST EDITED ON 05-24-05 AT 10:46 PM (EST)

You'll notice that he is the only fighter that seems to have the mental edge over the others and that is a huge part of boxing. I agree that it can make you want to see him go down though.

He redeemed himself somewhat by apologizing to Peter's father and said 'that was the snake talking, not Sergio Mora'.

I liked him otherwise during the show.

"RE: East Coast Spoiler Thread for the final fight"
Posted by jenniferlyn on 05-24-05 at 11:01 PM
OMG i couldn't wait for the show to start for me on the west coast...so i HAD to come and see if Sergio won....THE MAN THEY CALL THE LATIN SNAKE!!! WTG SERGIO!!!!
"My take on the final bout"
Posted by PhoenixMons on 05-24-05 at 11:24 PM
Round 1: Sergio
Round 2: Sergio
Round 3: Peter
Round 4: Sergio (this is the only other round that Peter could have possibly won, IMO)
Round 5: Sergio
Round 6: Sergio
Round 7: Sergio

I thought the judges would call it 68-65, 69-63, 69-63 (I thought one judge would give round four to Peter). I disagree with giving all seven rounds to Sergio, but I thought the entire fight was very much in Sergio's control...he had Peter slouched over and looking sluggish way more than half of the fight. Peter looked ineffective the entire time...no matter what he did, Sergio came right back at him with more. Sergio beat Peter soundly. Sergio was by far the more aggressive fighter and I suppose given that, I can somewhat see how the last judge could have given Sergio all seven rounds (even though I don't agree).

I like Sergio - after Ishe, he and Alfonso were my favorites on the show (both for their fighting styles and their 'character'). I like Sergio's trash-talking. Trash-talking is part of boxing. There are good ways and bad ways to go about it, IMO. I think Sergio's trash-talking is not meant to belittle his opponent as much as it is meant to empower him. Sergio's biggest advantage throughout this show was that he was a smart fighter. He learned how to use his opponents weaknesses against them. I don't think he's got as much raw talent as Ishe or Peter (he sure is fast though and he showed some serious stamina tonight), but he's got an edge when it comes to the mental aspect of the game. Dh and I watched the final bout together and asked if I thought there'd be a KO. I said no, it'll be a decision for Sergio. While I picked Sergio prior to the fight, I said if there was to be a KO, it would be by Peter because Sergio would get tired with all of his movement/thrown punches and is not as powerful as Peter. Sergio surprised me a great deal with how long he was able to sustain himself without looking tired much at all. And he really did look like he could have gone another 7 rounds after the fight...impressive.

Back to the taunting thing though...I do like his taunting (missed the part where he said something to Peter's corner for some reason) - you can tell that part of his energy comes from the crowd. He was starting to look a little fatigued in the fourth round but when the crowd started cheering "Sergio", he got a surge of energy. That's how he fights. And there is a big difference between his style of taunting and evil Anthony's style of 'taunting' (AKA beating the crap out of Brent and then boasting like it was some huge feat to knock the crap out of the likes of Brent)...

And of course, I am thrilled that Ishe won his fight (as if he wasn't going to win no matter who he fought). I am thrilled that Anthony looked like a fool on national TV yet again (wtf was that wrestling move he threw in there? Maybe he should look into the UFC?) What a loser.


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"RE: My take on the final bout"
Posted by Boxingfan70 on 05-24-05 at 11:52 PM
LAST EDITED ON 05-25-05 AT 00:24 AM (EST)

I saw Peter Manfredo Jr. win every round but the 4th and 7th. You dont win a round in the last 30 seconds. and for one judge to have all rounds for Mora....what a joke. Also the announcers were announcing the winner before the score cards were even in. Of all things I thought the contender would bring about justice to boxing but to see a man and his wife and child robbed on national tv was another bad mark on boxing. Sergio fought in short burst through out the fight but Manfredo fought every second of every round. Yes he did get tagged in the 7th but never went down 10-9 round for Mora. Who was scoring the fight the announcers? Alot of Mora's punches were pitty-pat shots barely landing till the 7th. Still only one round. I'm an avid boxing fan and thought the show was GREAT but to see the finale SUCKED. Watch it again and again and you'll see Sergio jump in with one meaningful shot a round and Manfredo clearly winning everything else. I'm just so disgusted with the result to see Peter Manfredo, holding his daughter, get robbed so bad. Get real judges next time and announcers who know boxing, even Alfonso Gomez was trying to tell the announcer that Sergio was only looking for one punch at a time which usually means the other guy is out working him. GO FIGURE.

"RE: My take on the final bout"
Posted by happyme on 05-25-05 at 05:41 AM
What you really need to do is stop filing your nails as you try to judge a boxing match. Leaning in "ALL NIGHT" and tying up, and not being able to hit or at least hitting once and receiving four back is "NOT" dominating a fight. Peter on several occasions was dead on his feet, while Sergio looked like he could dance the Samba. You must be a friend of the family or from the East Coast. With those body shots Peter was receiving and grunting from all night, I'm very surprise he didn't go down. For that, Peter did show he deserved to be there. But about him "Winning The Fight", PLEASE!!! And I guess you think O.J. is innocent.
"RE: My take on the final bout"
Posted by Srxc11 on 05-25-05 at 01:25 PM
wrong, mora landed more punches that manfredo, and more combinations, you let your bias get in the way.
I wanted manfredo to win, be he got owned by the better boxer.
watch it again 2nite on CNBC at 8, youll see my point
"RE: My take on the final bout"
Posted by chick on 05-25-05 at 09:05 AM
i 100% agree with this post. Sergio beat Peter, outboxed him and outsmarted him. I love how he shakes his head when he gets hit, it's such a mental game for him.
"RE: My take on the final bout"
Posted by Srxc11 on 05-25-05 at 01:11 PM
I absolutly agree with how you called that bout. In round four, unless im mistaken was the round that sergio was dominating, started talking trash, got hit with a few good shots, and then went back to dominating.

ive noticed alot of people are saying that sergio was "stealing" rounds. I would say that neither fighter was winning those patricluar rounds, and beacuse sergio hit some good combinations at the end and connected with more punches, the round was given to him.

another interesting thought: the boxer who is most known for stealing rounds at the beginning and end of rounds: no other than Sugar Ray Leonard

"RE: East Coast Spoiler Thread for the final fight"
Posted by Screamiv on 05-24-05 at 11:51 PM
Does Manfredo get any money even though he lost?
"RE: East Coast Spoiler Thread for the final fight"
Posted by Papashroom on 05-25-05 at 01:23 AM
250k i do believe.
"RE: East Coast Spoiler Thread for the final fight"
Posted by Srxc11 on 05-25-05 at 01:26 PM
good, he deserves it, i wish he got 500 though