LAST EDITED ON 05-10-05 AT 02:58 PM (EST)

Why can they all not be on the undercard? Obvisously except Najai. Without Najai you would have to axe another fighter and that fighter could easily be Juan since he quit in the first place. Fight are what 30 minutes counting intros?

That is like 3 and a half hours all together.

If you look at the top where it said the first time thanks for voting if you voted more than once it says sorry you can only vote once. So you think you are voting multiple times but you are not....at least they aint counting.

Unless you delete your cookies! Then it allows you to vote again.

Come on people......vote for ANTHONY!!!

Bring back Anthony!! Bring back Anthony!! Bring back Anthony!! Bring back Anthony!! Bring back Anthony!! Bring back Anthony!! Bring back Anthony!! Bring back Anthony!! Bring back Anthony!! Bring back Anthony!! Bring back Anthony!! Bring back Anthony!! Bring back Anthony!! Bring back Anthony!! Bring back Anthony!! Bring back Anthony!! Bring back Anthony!! Bring back Anthony!! Bring back Anthony!! Bring back Anthony!! Bring back Anthony!!

Ishe's down to 6% (insane), while Jimmy's up to 18% and Tarick is up to 13%. Ishe is too good for this show anyway. He'll probably be the 6th place vote-getter - just enough to get him in so he can knock the crap out of whomever he gets paired up with.

Got blog?

PhoenixMons -- I can't believe it -- Ishe's got to get in there, you know, The REAL Boxer!

LAST EDITED ON 05-11-05 AT 11:23 AM (EST)

you stated that you can only vote once but if you click on your link then vote it shows you the results. Then close that window and click your link again you can cont to vote. It sure seems to be working. I have not been told once that I have already voted.

Forget this I was wrong it is saying you can only vote one time I was wrong sorry.

Its looking pretty clear cut as to who the top 6 will be now

Gilbert
Lange
Bonsante
Fraza
Salmaci
Smith

Anyone know how these guys will be paired up? Will it be #1 vs.#2,#3vs.#4,#5vs#6? Or will the producers take these 6 and make the matches?

I think Joey and Anthony would be a slugfest and fun to watch. If Anthony gets paired with Tarrick or Jeff he will kill them. If it does hold true and these 6 make it I would like to see:

Anthony vs. JOey
Ishe vs. Jimmy
Jeff vs. Tarrick(Too bad, Juan vs,Ahmed would have been much better)

OK, I'm pretty computer illiterate, but does anybody know if it would be possible to vote more than once on one computer? I know someone mentioned deleting your cookies, but I have no idea how to do that. Maybe it's just me, but it seems like someone out there may have figured out how to do it. It seemed after the first day or two of voting that Jimmy Lange was holding steady around 8-10% of the vote, then all of a sudden yesterday evening he started to make a charge. He was at like 13% before I went to bed, then this morning he was all the way up to 18%. I just checked again and now he's at 20%.
I can see large % jumps in the first couple of days, because at that point every vote can make a difference. But after 2 days it seems odd that a percentage could change that much overnight (unless there are really that many people voting in the middle of the night).
Maybe there really are that many Jimmy Lange fans out there, but it just seems odd to me. Especially considering his lack of cameratime...for the first 5 weeks I couldn't tell him or Brent apart. It seems natural to me, for the same reason, that Anthony and Joey would run away with the fan vote (can't think of anyone else who got more cameratime then those 2...except maybe Ishe who got the most "negative" air time).
Just thought I'd throw my voting scandal idea out there to see what everyone thinks.

PS If anyone knows how to vote more than once, let me know. I would love to cast more than one vote for my friend.

You can vote more than once!!!
Go to tools, internet options, delete cookies, then okay.
Reopen your internet browser back up and you should be able to vote again.
Good Luck!

I have a feeling there is a bot out there voting for Jimmy and Tarick. There is no other way they could get this kind of support. Either that or the voting is rigged. I chose the former since it is so easy to do.

To vote multiple times: Internet Options, delete cookies. Reopen your browser. Go to the contender.tv.yahoo/fanfavorites.html and vote again. Rinse and repeat.

Many people can make a macro that does this for them all night long.

Alge, I think you're right about Tarick too--just noticed that he shot up about 10% points just today. C'mon...the guy got zero cameratime and looked terrible in his only fight on the show. You're definitely right, there is no legit way that he could have that type of support. I have not been a Joey fan at all, but I can easily see either he or Tony at the top.

There are ways to make your computer play internet slot machines all night, so there HAVE to be ways to make your computer vote more than once for the undercard fights, although it might take a puter guru to figure out how. Too bad the gurus seem to voting for THE WRONG PEOPLE!!!

My favorite to win is Jesse. I still am a bit unclear on if one player wins the million. The last player that wins or how does it work exactly? I missed the first episode where they explained that part.

I like all the fighters except Ahmed and Joey.

So, I dunno but somehing doesn't seem quite right about this voting. Joey and Bonsate, I can understand. But Tarick? Jimmy Lange? Jeff Fraza? I can kinda sorta understand people wanting to give Fraza a shot. But again, I say, Jimmy Lange? I have heard from a couple of well-placed sources connected to the production of the show (cough, cough) that some of the fightes are a bit perplexed by this, to put it mildly.

Supposedly, the fighters will be matched up 1 vs 2, 3 vs 4, 5 vs 6. Word has it that the purse for 1 vs 2 will be significantly more than 3 vs 4, and 3 vs 4 will be significantly more than 5 vs 6. Now, I'm all in favor of the semi-finalists eaning more than the fan faves,and the finalists earning more than the semi-finalists, but the purse to be staggered based on a dubious public voting system --- hmmm, I dunno. Of course maybe Im saying that because my buddy is clinging to the #6 slot.

I think the problem here is this poll is very susceptible to being manipulated. I just spent a few minutes looking at the poll and the only defense against voting multiple times is the cookie...which everyone has already found out is easily defeated. Also the order of the boxers listed in the poll changes every time the poll is displayed...this is a slight defense against automated voting but it is very easily defeated. I figure I could have an automated script cranking out a vote every 10 seconds for one of the boxers. Tempted to see if I could manipulate the results enough to get the worst boxer...Brent Cooper...into the finals. Not going to do it though as I am enjoying the show too much to mess with it. But looking at the results it seems someone is already manipulating the vote on Lange and Tarick...I don't think there is any way they should be as high in the vote as they currently are...

Really poor job by the Contender for not having a more secure poll where you have to register and type in a random character string from a picture...these type polls are very hard to defeat. This poll effects these guys lives and their pocket books...you would think they would have made the poll more secure.

I agree. The poll is BS.

I wanted Ishe or Bosante to win it. But some losers for Jimmy Lange and Tarrick are ruining it for everyone.

Why is it so hard to believe that someone would vote for Tarick? I voted for him. Simply because I liked him on the show. He was not annoying (like many of the other fighters) and I would like to see him fight again.

It's not hard to believe that they'd get votes...what is baffling is the HUGE change in percentages for these two overnight...and the percentages just keep getting bigger for these two while everyone else's are going down. That suggests a ballot-stuffing for these two boxers.

Got blog?

Does anyone know when the voting ends and when we'll know the final results?

The reason Tarick is getting a lot of votes is because he phoned into Howard Stern's show this morning begging people to vote for him. Howard is a fan of Contender, but he didn't remember who Tarick was at first. But he kept talking to him for almost 10 minutes. Tarick also has a link to the voting at the main page of his web site (www.tarick.com).

Some of the other boxers should try and pull the same stunt. I think Howard would take their calls too.

His vote numbers were already going through the roof as of yesterday, but going on to Stern was a smart idea. Ishe seems disinclined to lobby for votes, but I might encourage him to do this.

Maybe. I don't know. I couldn't it. Go ahead and write a script for Brent Cooper and Turpin, that would be a good fight.

It is true that the position of the checkboxes change, but you will notice that they are still identified as the same option number each time. For example, Ishe is choice 8 in the query string every time. So really, all you have to do is feed your browser
1) "http://contender.tv.yahoo.com/01/fanfavorites.html"; and 2) "http://contender.tv.yahoo.com/01/fanfavoriteresults.html?poll_id=5314&user_choice=8";
3) Delete cookies, re-open browser
4) Go to step 1.

At this point though, I think the positions are settled except for the top 3 spots. I feel bad for Bonsante, because he was the legitimate number 2. Ishe probably should be number 4 or so. I'm glad Fraza is going to get his chance, even though I expect him to get pounded by Ishe.

That is incorrect. I have seen Ishe in the #1 spot. I know because Ishe is the one I have voted for.

I will vote every now and then and my votes are split 50/50 between Ishe and Anthony.

I couldn't decide who I really wanted to see, so I voted for Jeff because I believe that he deserves a chance.

He didn't even get a chance to fight while others got second chances.

Stacey

Well Tarrick's family is voting away. He is now in the lead even though he got a whole 5 minutes air time outside the fight and got creamed by the guy who Sly/Sugar/Trainer all said was the worst fighter so far...that won.

LAST EDITED ON 05-12-05 AT 07:00 PM (EST)

No, it is correct man. Thats what I'm saying -- no matter what order they appear on screen, it is the same number in the URL. Go try it. No matter where Ishe appears on the screen, he will be number 8 in the address bar.

I can cast 1000 votes in 20 minutes for any of these guys. I simply choose not to, because I don't want to mess with their fortunes.

However, there are other people out there doing it for Lange and Salamci - guaranteed. All it takes is one good friend who knows how to program and they are set.

>That is incorrect. I have
>seen Ishe in the #1
>spot. I know because
>Ishe is the one I
>have voted for.

I just wrote a Perl script that votes about once a second. I raised Jonathan from 1% to 3% just to make sure it was really working, then I killed it. I'm not going to play with it anymore, because like you said, it's messing with someone's livelihood.

But obviously someone is playing games with Tarick and chicken-pox boy. I ought to distribute this to about 50 computers and set it to vote for everyone but them. I'm not sure about Lange being gamed. Of all the defeated fighters, I would think he, Joey and maybe Ishe would be the most popular. I know the ladies like Lange. But no way on Tarick and Fraza. No no no way. I do like Reid btw, even though his time has obviously passed. HA - looks like Bonsante's % actually went down from 16% to 15%, based on some old cache files I was using to write the script. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

It's really a shame if they rely on this poll in any substantive way. Anyone who relies on a wide-open internet poll for ANYTHING is in serious la-la land.

By the way, it took a little over 2000 votes to get Jonathan from 1% to 3%, so that gives an idea of the scale. I would say it's roughly 1,500 - 2000 votes per 1% (at the moment), judging by how fast he went from 2% to 3%. I could leave it running all night and Joanthan would be in the lead tomorrow, proabably by a long way.

Good inputs, suzzer...

After all the years of internet polls, I too find it hard to believe NBC will depend on one. They are usually way to easy to cheat on.

I'm not the expert you are, but I'm thinking if they track the vote, ISP, and time/date posted, then they could filter out the cheating. If you see a bunch of votes from the same ISP in a short space of time, you could filter out all the extra votes.

They could also leave out all the extra votes from the same ISP, but I assume that would leave out votes from people on the same network? Could be wrong, though.

I'd hope that after NBC closes this poll, they will clean it up as I described. But the problem with that is the numbers would change dramatically in a very short space of time. Then, NBC could be accused of fixing things.

Any ideas on how to make this flawed poll change into something we can have some trust in?

They could look for fraudulent votes if they cared. But anyone who would set up a poll that is this easy to break in the first place probably doesn't care. Even then though weeding out the fake votes can be an inexact science. Some colleges and businesses are set up through a proxy--so that to the rest of the web everyone looks like they are on the same IP address.

Looks like Reid slipped back down to 2%, and Tarick's slipping - I'm guessing his family's fingers may have gotten tired. Jimmy Lange is making some huge gains though.

I'm not going to pump up Ishe. The only thing I'm tempted to do is to blow up someone like Reid or Cooper or Espino, just so they'll have to acknowledge that their poll is screwed. I wonder if this will be the only poll, or if they will marry it to a phone poll perhaps, and much mroe heavily weight the phone poll.

Suzzer,

How do you get/delete cookies with Perl?

I have made a VB app that votes for me, but it is not as efficient as your perl script. I'm only getting 1 vote every 5 seconds or so because i have to wait for the page to load so i can get the cookie.

I don't think you should blow up Reid. The fact that Lange or Tarick are winning shows the poll is broken. THe last thing we need is all the worst fighters fighting. I was looking forward to watching this....

Perl has built-in cookie handling with the LWP::Cookie module. I hit the first url, then the 2nd, just like a browser would. Then I just wrap the whole thing in a loop, re-initializing the cookie jar each time. I pattern-match the line where it says 'Thanks for Voting!' on the second response just to make sure it works each time. It's basically limited by the time it takes the site to return the two responses, which (credit Yahoo) is pretty quick. It might be that if I don't explicitly ask Perl for the content, it just ignores the page-load. I ignore the content on the first page. But I do search through the content on the second page, and that still goes pretty quick. I do print the cookie out to the console just to slow it down a bit.

Also as an aside, there's some kind of alpha-randomization they're using to generate the cookie keys. I'm not sure if it's purely random or possibly based on some of the other cookie time parameters. Any cryptographers in the audience? Could be a fun challenge to try to crack the code, although as we've shown, it's not necessary to break the code to trick the poll.

Here's a few cookie keys:
2irlon9189sht&b
40p00c1189shu&b
efqk8jd189shv&b
2tnnpcp189shv&b
bnkmq69189si0&b
e2sulm5189si1&b
05nthv1189si2&b
96vpj71189si3&b
cvi99d5189si3&b
3rh5fnp189si4&b

Should I just post the whole script, like hackers do with security flaws? Nahhh. Actually anyone who can figure out how to install Perl should be able to write the script themselves, there's nothing to it. There was one slightly tricky part, at least for me, that I'll leave whomever to figure out.

By the way, I did bump Jonathan back up to 3%. I couldn't resist. But I agree about not blowing anyone up. I'll let someone else face the karmic consequences of that.

Suzzer,

If it works, why dont you help Ishe out a little, we all know that if it was true fan voting he would easily be top 3.

If all of the voters were true fans of boxing, that may be the case. However, a lot of voters are more likely true fans of the show.

Ishe, Bosante and Gilbert should all automatically be chosen just because they made it to the second round. After that you can vote those that never even won a fight.

I want to see Ishe get his just do. Why are his numbers staying the same! He should get some kind of consideration. I recieved an email from here, asking to consider him, as fan favorite.

I actually, like him as a fighter and person.

Someone help him.

How ironic is it that Brent, the worst fighter of the group, may end up fighting the only guy who didn't fight in Jeff Fraza?

I feel badly for Ishe if this survey is the official mechanism for deciding the 3 fights. Brent obviously didn't belong in this group.

As of 8am, Brent had 4% and Ishe had 5% for the 6th and final spot. There is a chance Brent could overtake Ishe before this thing is over.

It sure seems that the fan voting has turned into a race to see who can rig the system the best. If NBC cares about the actual fan vote at all, they should use the results as they stood after 2 days of voting (with Joey and Anthony not surprisingly the top two). Nobody wants to see Jimmy and Tarick in the top fan match-up...c'mon!!!

This is absolutely the stake through the heart of this show's last,death-defying corpse of credibility. With 12 hours orshow remainng, Ishe Smith is tied for last place with Brent Cooper. Unbelievable.

Tarick has true fans, he is an Arab American that is very well known in the arab community in the USA, and world wide. He has links on a few very busy websites, (howardstern.com, and a couple of arab newspapers) That generate over 100,000 hits per day. He been in newspapers, the local news, he been invited to school parades and all these people love and follow Tarick a lot. I seen Taricks website jump from 11000 hits to 36000 hits in just one day. I wonder how you can rig that also. Tarick does not need to rig the votes because of his popularity. The only reason a lot of people watch the show is because of Tarick. In my opinion Tarick is the best fighter on the show he will prove himself May 24th. He just needed a tune up, he's hungrier than ever. He's in the best shape of his life. Watch out Jimmy Lang. And Ishe "Tarick at 21% thats crazy" Go get some Fans, and Dont hate. Take some notes from Tarick, get some class.

Tarick may have class, but no way does he have a legit fan base to generate that type of percentage change. Explain to me how Tarick and Jimmy are the ONLY ones going up in percent, while everyone else is rapidly falling.
And when you talk about the only reason "a lot" of people watch the show is because of Tarick...well I also know a lot of people who are only watching the show because of Anthony. Fact is, every fighter has a group of people who are watching just because they are on the show. And by the way, are they still watching the show, or did they just watch the 15 minutes that Tarick was on?
I'm sorry about my sarcasm, but just the fact that you could deny the OBVIOUS voting corruption blows my mind.

I know for a FACT that Tarrick is sending out emails asking people to vote for him and link it and forward it and so on and so on...I used to like the guy but now after I have seen all his different methods of begging for votes...I hope Jimmy Lange knocks him out.

*Bonsante will knockout Fraza

** And if this voting finishes the way it is now....OMG!

Ishe vs. Brent?!(Make sure the ambulance is ringside)

Most solid fighters who lose their first match come back with a vengeance their first fight back.

The only way that Ishe could fight Brent would be if they both overtake Jeff Fraza. At this pace, they will do just that.

The fights will be as follows:

Tarick Salmaci vs. Jimmy Lange - Jimmy should win this one depending on how hard Tarick has been training.

Anthony Bonsante vs. Joey Gilbert - If Tony figures out how to guard against the uppercut, he should use his experience to beat Joey.

Ishe Smith vs. Jeff Fraza - Ishe will probably dominate this one even though I have never seen Fraza fight.

Brent Cooper??? - If he overtakes Fraza, this will be a bloodbath...

Fraza is a natural 140 lb fighter. she is a world-ranked natura 154 lb fighter. It would be a horrible mismatch.

And as for Ishe vs. Brent. I tell you what: you have to wonder if Nevada would even sanction that match. Ishe is fond of Brent, and if he were forced to fighthis friend and fellow Christian, I suspect it would make him even madder at the show and the poll. I would be a very difficlt experience for him.

Anyone know when fan voting ends? Ishe told me he thought it was midnight last night, but the poll is still up.

Ishe just got overtaken by Brent? He needs some votes! The finale wont be as good if hes not on the card, he deserves it.

this is BS, how can Ishe not be in the top 6? I have tickets for vegas and he was one of the main reasons!!!!!!!

In my opinion Joey, Anthony and Ishe should be shoe-ins. Who really wants to see Brent Cooper or Tarrick again?

If you won the first round you should be automatic. The voting could be for the other spots.

Based on that comment, Peter shouldn't be in. He lost the first round.

Who wants to see Tarick again?? I do.

Ugh, I've been swamped for the last three weeks and haven't been around much, but ...

...the poll now says: "Official voting is over. Additional voting is for entertainment purposes only."

LAST EDITED ON 05-16-05 AT 03:28 PM (EST)

Ishe was ahead by 1% at midnight eastern last night when voting was supposed to close. I made sure he was ahead. Somebody was running a script for Brent but it was too little too late.

But we'll see what the people with Contender do. I'm going to be so unbelievably pissed if Ishe isn't in the fan favorites because everyone knows he should be and i don't need to see Brent get pounded again.

PS - Jimmy Lange and Tarick really cheated bad. I hear there is a 200k purse at stake, so I guess that's why. Try asking them about it at jimmylange.com and see how long your post lasts.

I spoke with Ishe very briefly abou two hours ago. He said he believed he had not made it, but he was seeking confirmation and would let me know as soon as he knew for sure. And I, of course, will in turn pass on the news here. He had just arrived at the gym; if the news is true, some poor sparring partner is in for a whupping!

I believe that the purse breakdown for winners and losers of the fan faves is: #1 vs #2: 200K/100K; #3 vs #4: 100K vs $50K; # vs. #6: $50K/25K. Thatmay be wrong, but it is something like that. So yeah, no wonder there was cheating. It's ludicrous to have someone's career and earnings in the hands of a riggable poll like that.

Well that is BS. Guess we all get to see Tarrick and Brent Cooper again. Unbelievable!

Tell Ishe that he WAS AHEAD at midnight when the voting was supposed to stop!!!

Thats the only reason I didn't run a script to keep him ahead of Brent's script!

LAST EDITED ON 05-17-05 AT 05:25 AM (EST)

This is absolutely SICKENING if Ishe didn't make this cut... I'm thinking "midnight EST or midnight PST"? UGH.

I figure out how to do the cookies thing, but I couldn't do for much than a couple few times -- all for Mr. Smith, of course.

I hope NBC just uses the voting as a GUIDELINE, not as a be all end all. I'm almost sure there's some kind of legal loophole somewhere that says it's up to their final discretion... and then I'm sure they'll select Ishe.

At least here's hoping.

With Gilbert out the matches should be as follows:

Tarrick vs. Jimmy

Bonsante vs. Fraza

Ishe vs. Cooper( OMG! park the ambulance at ringside)

Are you getting this from any official source yet? I'm wondering if there's a chance Yahoo will try to go in and "cleanse" all of the obviously fake votes. If they don't that's really really lame and I could even see a lawsuit coming out of it.

LAST EDITED ON 05-18-05 AT 03:02 PM (EST)

Who and how will they decide who will be fighting on the undercard? Will they do 1 vs 2, and so on(based on how many votes each got)? Just wondering if anyone knows. Also, who were the 6 that made it now that Gilbert is out?

The top 6 since Gilbert is out are what I llisted above:

Lange
Salmachi
Bonsante
Fraza
Cooper
Smith

as far as the pairings I just went by what was suggested by VFW which was that it would be 1-2,3-4,5-6...just speculative, not official