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"april 24, 2005 contender show between Sergio and Ishe"

Posted by larry m on 04-25-05 at 08:45 PM
Does anyone know the name of the book that Sergio stated some quotes from b4 fighting Ishe on the April 24, 2005 Contender show.

Also, the author would be great as well.

Thanks


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"RE: april 24, 2005 contender show between Sergio and Ishe"
Posted by Rebellwyr on 04-25-05 at 08:52 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-25-05 AT 08:57 PM (EST)

48 laws of power by Robert Greene.

Edited to add this customer review from Amazon.com:

This book is well-written and very nicely designed. Beyond that, it's hard to see what the fuss is about.

First of all, and on the one hand, the book isn't the torrent of Machiavellian amorality you may have been led to believe. The author does go out of his way to make it _sound_ as though he's presenting you with sophisticated, in-the-know, just-between-us-hardheaded-realists amoral guidance. But as a matter of fact almost every bit of this advice _could_ have been presented without offense to the most traditional of morality.

(For example, the law about letting other people do the work while you take the credit is made to sound worse than it really is. Sure, it admits of a "low" interpretation. But it's also, read slightly differently, a pretty apt description of what any good manager does.)

Second, and on the other hand, the advice isn't _that_ good; it's merely well-presented. How it works will depend on who follows it; as the old Chinese proverb has it, when the wrong person does the right thing, it's the wrong thing.

And that's why I have to deduct some stars from the book. For it seems to be designed to appeal precisely to the "wrong people."

Despite some sound advice, this book is aimed not at those who (like Socrates) share the power of reason with the gods, but at those who (like Ulysses) share it with the foxes. It seeks not to make you reasonable but to make you canny and cunning. And as a result, even when it advises you to do things that really do work out best for all concerned, it promotes an unhealthy sense that your best interests are at odds with nearly everyone else's. (And that the only reason for being helpful to other people is that it will advance your own cloak-and-dagger "career.")

No matter how helpful some of the advice may be, it's hard to get around the book's rather pompous conceit that the reader is learning the perennial secrets of crafty courtiers everywhere. Even if only by its tone, this volume will tend to turn the reader into a lean and hungry Cassius rather than a confident and competent Caesar.

In general the book does have some useful things to say about power and how to acquire and wield it. Unfortunately its approach will probably render the advice useless to the people who need it most. Readers who come to it for guidance will come away from it pretentiously self-absorbed if not downright narcissistic; the readers who can see through its Machiavellian posturing and recognize it for what it is will be the very readers who didn't need it in the first place.

Recommended only to readers who _aren't_ unhealthily fascinated by Sun-Tzu, Balthasar Gracian, and Michael Korda.


"RE: april 24, 2005 contender show between Sergio and Ishe"
Posted by Rebellwyr on 04-25-05 at 09:01 PM
Here is another portion of a review that I found pretty apt:
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Evaluate each law on its own merits -- to be fair, some are the essence of leadership. Laws 28 through 30, for example, recommend that you, "Enter action with boldness," "Plan all the way to the end," and "Make your accomplishments seem effortless."

This is good advice: Timidity is worse than inaction, you should always define the goal before taking the first step, and you should never let anyone see you sweat.

Other laws, though, impair your effectiveness as a leader. For example, concealing your intentions and saying less than necessary (Laws 3 and 4) may confuse your rivals and prevent them from preparing a defense. Regrettably, it also confuses those you lead, and confused soldiers rarely win battles.

Taking credit for the work of others (Law 7) and creating a state of terror (Law 17) are also dreadful leadership techniques. They lead to sullen teams with no initiative or drive.

The very techniques that help you achieve power prevent its effective use.

The worst aspect of The 48 Laws, though, is their potential for poetic justice. Follow them yourself, and you encourage their use by those around you.

And some of those around you will be better at the game than you are.



"RE: april 24, 2005 contender show between Sergio and Ishe"
Posted by larry m on 04-25-05 at 09:04 PM
thnks alot for the information and also your recommended insight to the book.