*psst* it was posted on 5/8 so that was last week.

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I did an edit for you. You betcha it's tonight!!

I won't be around tonight and so I have to record it. I left strict instructions for hubby to not screw with the tv. If he wants to watch the hockey game (go Caps!) he can watch it on the 20" tv in the bedroom! I swear, if the stupid pvr skips it, it will not be a pretty sight!

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I already miss this show.

Wah!

How am I supposed to sleep????

January? arrrgh!

*eats fruit roll up*

I'll keep you company - I won't be sleeping either!

Yikes - what am I going to do for NINE MONTHS!!!

Come ON!!! Dang that was good television.

I AGREE!

Dang. Maybe I'll get pregnant again just to pass the time...

*eats Apollo bar*

January? Pfft. It was the "The Final Season" screen graphic that got me choked up.

*sniff*

It's not just A Zombie Original, it's THE Zombie Original!

You know about 2 episodes ago while watching I mentioned to DH that they have not brought up the Apollo bars in awhile. Nice call back to that last night.

Lot's of call backs, repetition of phrases that have stayed with them since childhood and themes.

Now I still wonder how Paik, Hanso, Dharma all figure into the big grand scheme. Right now along with time travel they all seem to be huge red herrings. The main story seems to be these two guys.

speaking of red herring - did you notice Jacob caught and was eating a red herring at the start of the show?

WHAT...THE...FU**. As soon as I see "2010", I'm like, waaaaaah.

Me too! How will I make it through summer?

Re-watch Seasons 1-4 and wait for the DVD of Season 5?

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Who exactly is that dood that's using Locke's body? But he's not really using the body, is he?

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It's the guy on the beach at the beginning looking at the old ship. Now what is the "loophole" It seemed to me that they were arch enemies...maybe vying for control of the island...but why wasn't he also ageless like Jacob and Richard?

When Locke fell out of the crate, I said...oh now it makes sense...he's been so un Locke like.

My favorite scene was with Rose and Bernard..."son of a b*tch" I like how they have accepted where and who they are and are "retired" and ready to die. And seeing Vincent...that was nice too.

I know he's the guy from the beginning scene. Who is he though?

I realized that and edited my post.....I don't know, but really the same can be said about Jacob who is he and why is he on island and why was he in all of their lives...

They never gave him a name right? If they go biblical it could be they were brothers? That is what I am leaning towards but who knows?

When we learned for sure Locke was NotLocke I immediately thought of Good Twin, Bad Twin theme. Maybe the two men are not only brothers but twins too? I know I am way out there.

We don't even know why the two are there right? Protectors of the island? The world?

Nope, never even gave us his name. Don't know why they were there, or why Jacob visited the Losties either.

>They never gave him a name
>right? If they go
>biblical it could be they
>were brothers? That is
>what I am leaning towards
>but who knows?

If one is jacob, the other could be Esau...

But before they were even born, Rebekah could feel them kicking and fighting inside her.

“Why is this happening?” she called out.

And God answered her,

“The two children inside you
will become the fathers of two nations.
Just like the two are fighting with each other now,
the two nations will struggle with each other.
One will be stronger than the other.
and the older will serve the younger.”

In the story, Jacob tricks Esau out of his birthright, causing the older to serve the younger.

So if Esau had to serve Jacob, he would have needed a loophole to have him killed, and regain his birthright.

If you don't have time to do it right the first time, when are you going to find time to do it again? - Anonymous

I was calling him Esau all night - knowing that may not be his name - because I immediately thought of that.

Jacob and "Esau" is the war that Widmore was referring to.

Locke in a box now for 2 seasons and he worked in a box factory!

Jacob gave Hurley a guitar case, Sawyer a pen, Kate a lunch box, Jack a candy bar. Sayid, Jin and Sun he gave nothing right? Did he even touch them? He touched Ilana also. He did not even visit Juliet!

Now we have to figure out if Jacob or other guy is good or bad!

Liked the Lost screen changing from black to white.

So all along Jacob has used Ben. Ben was the pawn! I was rooting for Ben maybe for the first time to NOT kill Jacob. He chose to do it though.

Was Jacob's cabin Rose and Bernard's place? I'm glad they showed them. It never bothered me that they were not there but it seems everyone on the internet always has to ask where they were. I just don't think they are that essential to the story anymore. Hopefully that puts that to rest.

Juliet's fall was hands down was the most heartbreaking "death" scene yet on Lost. Absolutely crushing and memorable.

So are the two men are the ones who "bring" all these vessels and people to the island to just play out events for their amusement? Is it a loop? They did say that is always plays out until the end. What did Jacob mean that "they are coming"?

I think Chang is my new favorite character. Did not have a huge role in the finale but I hope we see more of him.

Sayid was wearing Horace's jumpsuit. Could be relevant for future corpse spotting!

Loved Sun picking up Charlie's ring. That has always bothered me! I bet if I went back to the finale 2 seasons ago I commented on that his ring was left behind!

I am thrilled that Jacob was not anyone we know.

>>Jacob gave Hurley a guitar case, Sawyer a pen, Kate a lunch box, Jack a candy bar. Sayid, Jin and Sun he gave nothing right? Did he even touch them? He touched Ilana also. He did not even visit Juliet!<<

He definitely touched Jin and Sun; he had one hand on Jin's shoulder and the other Sun's shoulder. Don't remember if he touched Sayid or not, but I'm relatively positive that he neither gave anything nor touched Locke during that flashback.

He touched Locke on the shoulder and Locke woke up after the fall.

He touched Locke and it seemed to me that when he did Locke came back to life - definitely back to consciousness.

I'm sure you and Breezy are right, my mind must be playing tricks on me (either that or I was distracted by what Jacob was reading - he has good taste in literature )

I'll have to rewatch the episode, but there's something else I'm curious about. I'm pretty sure that after Kate, Sawyer, and definitely Ilana's flashback, when the show went back to the present, it transitioned to the character featured in the flashback. Was that true of all the transitions? And was it not true for Locke's? It would have been pretty good foreshadowing if immediately after Locke's transition we had a shot of Ilana and her crew carrying the box, but I can't recall what immediately followed Locke's flashback.

I think Jacob touched all of them. I know he touched Jin and Sun.

I don't think Rose and Bernard were using the cabin, looked like they built their own hut. Loved their scenes.

Juliet's fall was heartbreaking. *sobs*

Ooooh good catch, I forgot Sayid was wearing Horace's jumpsuit!

>I don't think Rose and Bernard
>were using the cabin, looked
>like they built their own
>hut. Loved their scenes.

I thought Jacob's cabin and the cabin Rose & Bernard built looked awfully similar as well. As you said, Rose & Bernard built their own cabin, but who's to say that Jacob didn't use it afterwards? None of the Others mentioned Jacob's cabin in the 70's, so it's possible that's when it was built.

That's true, I forget that was back in time.

Horace built what became Jacob's cabin. (See the episode last season where Locke meets Christian and Claire in the cabin.)

Yup, for him and the "Mrs". He said find me and you find him. Locke found Horace in the Dharma grave and there was a map to the cabin in Horace's pocket.

was that Horace or Sayid?

I'm really hoping it was "the" Horace and not Sayid in Horace's jumpsuit!

What was weird too was the times that Jacob visited them right? Kate and Sawyer it was as children. Jack, Sun and Jin it was as adults, prior to 815. Hurley and Sayid it was prior to 316. Ilana we don't know at what point it was since we have not had her story yet.

Jacob did touch them all. I thought that was very significant last night.

My hubby kept saying Sayid is the corpse wearing Horace's jumpsuit. I'm not so sure.

wow, the girl that played young Kate looked just like her and even had the same mannerisms, I bet she watches the show or studied Kate for her part

And how young is Kate? She was about 11-12 tweener age and she was stealing a NKOTB lunch box and they were out in early 90s? so she's only in her late 20s in 2007 and 24 when they initially flew on 815 in 2004? She seemed older to me, closer to 30 in 2004...

LOL, "Locke Box".

So, who's eye ball is that at the end?

Sayid's wife's death was shocking and heart breaking.

Jacob is reading "Everything that Rises Must Converge" by Flannery O'Connor, and then we see old Locke falling from a building. Jacob squeezes his shoulder.

I thought it was kinda funny Jin commented that Jacob spoke perfect Korean.

Jacob DID touch Jack's hand when he handed him the candy bar.

Jack got his butt handed to him by Sawyer.

I re-watched the episode and noticed Juliet was neither visited nor touched by Jacob.

So old Locke is really dead and the new Locke is that other guy with Jacob during the scene with the pirate ship.

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Ah so very interesting! The two guys at the beginning- dressed in white and black. Remember Locke on the beach in season 1 with Walt- everything is about light and dark.

I take it that Jacob and dark guy are two angels competing for the souls of men- kind of like a contest. Twins like Jacob and Esau? Dark guy wants to kill Jacob- but needs to find a loophole to do so. Apparently causing Locke's death (by conviently talking him into it with Richard) provided him a way. But he still had to use Ben to kill Jacob- he could not do it himself.

Dead is dead- was it Ben that said that? He was right- Locke was dead!

Did not ghostly Horace build the cabin in the woods for the "Mrs"? Someone else is using the cabin- did that mean Christian?

Remember the "Adam & Eve" skeletons- was that Rose and Bernard?

Vincent is back (yay!)

So all the people Jacob visited where on the "list"?

So that's how Chang lost his arm- they are tying up a lot of things.

Juliet's fall was heartbreaking!

I think the Eye was Jack's.

Good catch on Sayid wearing the Horace jumpsuit.

I gotta watch that again!

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If this is all going to come down to a chess match between Jacob and "Man #2" (as he is credited on IMDB) I might not be happy. Initially it appeared that Jacob was the 'good one'. He seemed to think there was goodness in man to get things right whereas Man2 seemed to imply that men continued to repeat their mistakes.

Later however I felt that Jacob was 'willing' the bad things to happen. He tells Kate to stop stealing, she steals a baby. He gives Sawyer a pen and sets him on his path. He tells Sun and Jin to never take each other for granted...we know they would not have been on 815 if that happened. Jack...?

The one that confused me the most was Hurley. Why visit him so late in life?

I also assume that it is no coincidence that one is blond and one is not.

BTW:

Jacob on IMDB

Man2 on IMDB

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Does anyone know what Richard said when asked "What lies in the Shadow"?

“Ille Qui Nos Omnis Servabit”

Latin: He who will serve/protect/save us all"

Also of note:

That statue is definitely Sobek.

(mind his headgear in this picture; that's actually Amun's crown)

From the Wikipedia entry: Sobek's ambiguous nature led some Egyptians to believe that he was a repairer of evil that had been done, rather than a force for good in itself, for example, going to Duat to restore damage done to the dead as a result of their form of death. He was also said to call on suitable gods and goddesses required for protecting people in situation, effectively having a more distant role, nudging things along, rather than taking an active part.

Iiiinteresting.


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WOW! Thanks for that!! Sobek sounds like Richard - advisor, nudging things along....

Change that - more like Jacob - calling on people (visiting the Losties), protecting them, having a distant role, nudging along…

I read this on another site-

Richard's answer to Ilana's question ("What lies in the shadow of the statue?") was in Latin, He said, "Ille qui nos omnis servabit." Translation: "He who will save us all." But which of the fellas now in the shadow of the statue is the savior? Is it Ben, other-Locke-guy (Esau?), Jacob, or someone else?

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there was something that has bothered me for 5 seasons- when the Losties first encountered the Smoke Monster in the jungle- Rose said something like- "that sounds familiar"- the noise the smoke monster makes- to me it always sounded like a metal chain clinking- I just always waited for a better explanation on the smoke monster and I don't think we got one- when Juliet was getting pulled into the pit- the sound of metal creaking kind of reminded me of that

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It also looked like when Locke was pulled down during Season 1. I thought that also.

Don't know anymore though what it means

The “war” that Widmore said was coming is not between Ben and Widmore – it’s between Jacob and “the other guy”. And has been going on since the 1800’s. I’m inclined to believe that Widmore is with “Man#2” and Widmore has been manipulating Ben and Locke to help him.

When Illana went to the cabin, Bram pointed out the ring of ash had been broken and someone else had been using the cabin. The ring of ash has kept something inside the cabin – but as we found out tonight – it wasn’t Jacob. That’s why Claire was acting the way she was while in the cabin. I don’t remember the ring of ash being broken so I’m not sure when that occurred. So it is difficult to know if the events that are happening in 2007 are the way they have always happened or if the folks in 1977 are altering the future by what they have been doing.

Key moments – every scene with Jacob (loved that actor who played him)!!!

•“Man#2” and Jacob in the beginning was very interesting when they saw the Black Rock coming in. He said he would find a loophole and kill Jacob. Jacob told “evil Locke” (I really do think he is evil now) I guess you found your loophole. So the spirit (?) of Man#2 is in Locke right now.

Jacob seemed to give advice or was coaxing everyone he visited – he also touched each one of them which I think is significant:

Kate (told her to be good and touched her nose)

Sawyer (gave him a pen – he did finish that letter - and touched his hand)

Sayid (touched his shoulder – watching Nadia die was heartbreaking)

Jin and Sun (don’t take your love for granted, touched their shoulders)

Locke (most likely brought him back to life after his fall by touching his shoulder – sorry this happened to you but it will be ok)

Jack (touched his hand and gave him the candy bar – maybe it needed a push)

Ilana (she agrees to help him again – I’d like to know what year that was!)

Hurley (he’s blessed, tells him about the Ajira flight and gives him the guitar case!) – Also his visit was different than the others because Jacob revealed his connection to the island –Hurley is special and is most likely the “variable” that Daniel was talking about – Jacob told Hurley he has a choice

Jacob did not visit Juliet, Miles or Desmond in this episode. I wonder if we have seen the last of Jacob?

The hydrogen bomb did not go off when it was dropped so I don’t think the bomb was “the incident”. The incident was the super high powered magnet dragging everything down. Sawyer and Juliet’s scene was so powerful. I think I had my mouth covered the whole time. Did anyone else have a Season 2 flashback?!? Remember Desmond turning the failsafe key and we wondered if he was dead? Everyone that was in the hatch survived when it imploded so I’m not so sure that Juliet is gone.

So did they change time or not??? The new LOST logo with the white background and “destiny found” was awesome – almost telling us they did alter time – like they have been brought out of the darkness and into the light. I loved this finale – best yet!

Did Jacob actually touch Hurley? I don't remember a handshake or anything, and they had a guitar case between them.

He touched Hurley on the shoulder as he was leaving the cab, when he was saying, "No matter what, you have a choice," or whatever it was that he said.

Thanks!

So Jacob did not touch people that were not on the first Oceanic flight, the original LOSTies...at least yet.

-A Tribetastic Creation

Yes he did, he touched young Sawyer and young Kate.

I think my typing just came out fuzzy-that's the way I meant it. Jacob touched all the original key flight members, but did not yet touch anyone that came there via other means.

-A Tribetastic Creation

LAST EDITED ON 05-14-09 AT 11:28 AM (EST)

Correct! He touched everyone who was on Flight 815 (who is still alive, and Locke).

Poor Nadia

This episode made me feel bad for Ben...

I never really liked John Locke that much and I really hate fake John Locke.

Disappointed there was no Claire cameo, I was sure it was coming when Sun stumbled upon Aaron's crib.

Good job casting young Kate, Sawyer, and Juliet...

Juliet was made of awesome in this episode. What a heartbreaking ending, though.

I was glad Phil died but disappointed Radzinsky didn't kick the bucket.

I had a dream last night that Ilana was actually a good guy and lo and behold, it seems I was right!

OMG I just read this somewhere else and oh my.

The flash wasn't the bomb going off, time skipped again and the Losties are flashed to a different time.

Ah, I like that. I thought of the fail safe key that Desmond turned when Juliet smacked the bomb. There was a flash of light then too.

I'm leaning more and more this way. If the producers are honest and no more time travel next season, than it has to be a flash time skip. How else can the Losties be reunited if they're 30 years apart?

That was the first thing I said to GF after I watched. I told her that because it was a white flash and not a black flash, that it meant it was a time skip.

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