1. Yeah like I said above...one of the most heartbreaking characters ever.

2. I think they keep pushing Locke to lead but he keeps "screwing up". He keeps listening to others like Ben and Widmore. He lacks the confidence to trust himself. It actually seems like Locke is kind of lacking all that faith we keep hearing about. He has to make a big leap of faith like Jack only Locke has to believe in himself.

3. I liked when Walt first spotted him. That was touching but then the kid spoke. I don't think we are finished with him.

4. He was cool and who knows if we will see him again? He was like a Shephard too.

5. Me too. I've heard speculation other places that they don't think she is dead and it was a set up by Widmore or Ben so John won't be attached to non-island life. Even heard spec. that Helen was on 316. That? I don't know if I agree. Unless she always worked for them...
It would be cool if Locke/helen ended up being the great big romance. I'm really pulling for him after this episode can you tell?

6. Crazy extreme chess match!!!!! You in? I'm hoping that it is Locke who can stop this all!

7. I like his salad.

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I'm wondering

1. Why did Ben not leave the 316's? You would think he would hightail it out of there.

2. Do you think Ms. Hawkings could be on that plane? What about Widemore? Were they "hiding" in coach? Could she be the woman who left with the pilot? Has Frank been in on this all along? He was hired by Widemore originally right?

3. I think they might be setting up a big Walt story for next season. He was always portrayed as creepy and very powerful.
I also just finally saw all those webisodes from last year. I highly recommend them. You can find them on YouTube. Walt's was pretty creepy.

4. I have hope that Ben and Widemore are both bad and that Locke will finally be a leader and gather up an army of good soldiers and eventually triumph.

5. It did feel like a whole episode of Locke in therapy though.

Overall this was my least favorite episode. I liked last week better. I wish we had seen more island time and they did it the conventional flashback way. Most of the Locke as Bentham stuff we kind of knew. His scenes with Widemore and the death scene were good to see and maybe the only new info. gained.

The acting was superb(execpt as MRC noted by Walt). It was very painful to watch Locke on this journey. At first I thought he was offered an orange by Illana, mirroring the pilot episode but that turned out to be a mango.

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>At first I thought he
>was offered an orange by
>Illana, mirroring the pilot episode
>but that turned out to
>be a mango.

I thought the same thing... Maybe the mango represents that even though there is a time loop, something has changed. The butterfly effect would imply that small changes can have big impacts... maybe this change in fruits is symbolic of one of those small changes being in effect...

then again, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar

If you don't have time to do it right the first time, when are you going to find time to do it again? - Anonymous

I wonder if when Ben had Micheal bring Jack, Sawyer , Kate and Hurley too him and then he eventually held them on Hydra if he was doing it so their time traveling dopplegangers can move about the rest of the island. At that time Sun, Sayid and Jin were off on a boat sailing to find them as well.

One more thing
I know everyone keeps going back to the obituary about Locke's "son". It truly could be a prop used at the time but what if Locke had written a will leaving all that money Widmore had given him to Walt to kind of "atone" for everything?

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shame on you. Kill me twice, shame on me.

I hope he's done with Ben now. But is the alternative Widmore? Sheesh, what a choice!

Terry O'Quinn was great in this episode.

Edited to say I agree that the plane crash landed on the other island, and the O6 were somehow beamed onto THE island.

I'm getting a hell of a gray-hat reading on Widmore and Ben. I am not convinced either of them is good or bad. They both strike me as anti-heroes, which are, as far as I am concerned, extremely interesting and wonderful.

Also, given Widmore's reaction to Locke's lack of aging, I am willing to speculate that Richard is, perhaps, another time-traveler.

Anyone else get some Slaughterhouse-5 Vibes from this show, this season in particular?


NAMASTE!

This episode felt rather discombobulated to me. It didn’t flow well probably because we already knew most of what Jeremy Bentham did, but there were some interesting characterizations.

Widmore and Ben – They are both evil and Ben really crossed the line IMO when he killed Abbadon and Locke. There may be a bigger war coming, but the one between Widmore and Ben has already started. Widmore was being way too contrite and nice to Locke in Tunisia. Very suspicious!

Matthew Abbadon – Gets people where they need to go. He got Locke to go on his walkabout which means Widmore was involved in getting people on Oceanic 316. This slightly redeems him to me if he truly is after the islands well-being and not himself.

John Locke – No wonder he’s so conflicted what with being named after two different philosophers! I was getting choked up during his suicide scene – brilliant acting. So if he’s “alive” on the island, does that mean Christian is also alive? (I always thought of Christian as some sort of specter.)

Walt – When Walt asked after his father it makes me think that Walt will return to the island and will meet up again with his father in some way to get closure. Also we got another creepy foreshadowing dream with him, “I’ve been dreaming of you on the island wearing a suit with a bunch of people around you – and they want to hurt you.” Walt’s story’s not over yet.

Hurley – Loved that Hugo thought Locke was dead because he’s been seeing so many dead people! He remembered “evil” Matthew Abbadon from Oceanic Air. He’s definitely not crazy!!

Time – 4 island days = 3 years for the 316ers.

Caesar and Iliana – I didn’t like the way their storyline was introduced; it was too disjointed (even for Lost!)

Gold car – the last car to enter Locke’s car accident scene was the gold car again.

100% agree about everything except the following:

Time – 4 island days = 3 years for the 316ers.

I think that the island was same as off island. When Ben turned the wheel he ended up around 9 months into the future. (Per Sayid saying Nadia died 9 months later after he returned and Ben saw that on the TV). Locke turned the wheel after 4 days and ended up 3 years into the future. It's just (as far as we know now) a random forward travel in time. The ones left behind got flashed somewhere, say 1970's or 80's Dharma time and then played out their 3 years there(barring any other time flashes like they were experiencing) just like 3 years passed off island. Only thing is Locke is technically missing 3 years.

Caesar and Iliana – I didn’t like the way their storyline was introduced; it was too disjointed (even for Lost!)

I do agree. I read on DArkUFO home page that last night's opening scene was originally going to be the opening scene for the season instead they went with Dr. Candle's whole bit.

I think the acting saved this episode.

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I should have put a "?" mark after the time thing.

You're right about the time jump, but I still wonder if the timing is the same on and off the island for 2 reasons. Depending on when they are, could the Losties survive for 3 years on the island in hostile territory and the whole nosebleed thing (which may only occur when they are time jumping.) Probably one of the many questions that won't get answered until next year. Also Charles Widmore alluded to the time travel timing so I think he's still trying to figure it out too.

I think the acting saved this episode.

Terry O'Quinn was remarkable. He's done an outstanding job of portraying a flawed, complicated character in John Locke. Last night's episode would've been a complete throwaway without his stellar work.

With that said, I still didn't like last night's episode. After a great start to the season, the last two episodes have been duds in my book.

Better stay away from DarkUFO. I haven't risked going there in a few months.

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