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"Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by mrc on 02-10-09 at 01:16 PM
Yes, I'm jumping the gun a bit, but i'm excited about this week. I think a major change is coming up: more Hot Pockets!!! Oops! Should've made that a spoiler. 
Locke takes on the burden to stop the island's increasingly violent shifts through time. Meanwhile, Ben hits a roadblock in his attempt to reunite the Oceanic 6 and bring them back to the island. --Oceanic 6-Centric-- Guest starring: Rebecca Mader as Charlotte Lewis, John Terry as Christian Shephard, Fionnula Flanagan as Eloise Hawking, William Blanchett as Aaron, June Kyoko Lu as Mrs. Paik, Melissa Farman as young Frenchwoman, Guillaume Dabinpons as Frenchman #1, Marc Menard as Frenchman #2, Bruno Bruni as Frenchman #3 and Jaymie Kim as Ji Yeon.
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Table of contents
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",zombiebaby, 01:34 PM, 02-10-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",mrc, 01:41 PM, 02-10-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",pinksparkleguitar, 12:26 PM, 02-11-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",dabo, 01:01 AM, 02-12-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",zombiebaby, 08:22 AM, 02-12-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",Breezy, 08:59 AM, 02-12-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",zombiebaby, 09:14 AM, 02-12-09
- Good call,J I M B O, 08:09 PM, 02-12-09
- RE: Good call,DoodleBug, 12:35 PM, 02-18-09
- RE: Good call,mrc, 01:16 PM, 02-18-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",dabo, 02:48 PM, 02-14-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",moonbaby, 09:09 AM, 02-12-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",Breezy, 10:00 AM, 02-12-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",pinksparkleguitar, 10:47 AM, 02-12-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",CTgirl, 06:12 PM, 02-12-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",J I M B O, 08:11 PM, 02-12-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",zombiebaby, 09:34 PM, 02-12-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",michel, 10:11 PM, 02-12-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",mrc, 09:25 AM, 02-12-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",sisyphus, 10:42 AM, 02-12-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",HauntedOne, 10:42 AM, 02-12-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",J Slice, 10:43 AM, 02-12-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",pinksparkleguitar, 10:51 AM, 02-12-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",mrc, 11:58 AM, 02-12-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",CTgirl, 06:20 PM, 02-12-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",Devious Weasel, 07:20 PM, 02-12-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",zombiebaby, 09:35 PM, 02-12-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",J Slice, 12:33 PM, 02-12-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",trigirl, 01:46 PM, 02-12-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",Devious Weasel, 07:23 PM, 02-12-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",blacknwhitedog, 03:09 PM, 02-12-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",HobbsofMI, 04:07 PM, 02-12-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",CTgirl, 06:49 PM, 02-12-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",J I M B O, 08:21 PM, 02-12-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",batts, 08:42 PM, 02-12-09
- RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death",CTgirl, 09:23 PM, 02-12-09
- What's this buzz,moonbaby, 12:34 PM, 02-14-09
- WHERE IS....,dabo, 02:51 PM, 02-14-09
- RE: WHERE IS....,skyhoneybear, 01:40 PM, 02-16-09
- RE: WHERE IS....,J Slice, 11:49 AM, 02-17-09
Messages in this discussion
"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by zombiebaby on 02-10-09 at 01:34 PM
Hey you got me excited for a second that it was episode night! That post up there in the other thread that says "spoiler". Is it very spoilerish? I should not look at it right? Why do you tempt me? I thought you were not going the spoiler route?
What if the Economist is Pierre Chang or Faraday? Hee they give me the gigglepants.
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"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by mrc on 02-10-09 at 01:41 PM
It simply tells what the Feb. 25 episode is about. The post above it essentially tells the same thing. I don't know what some peeps consider spoilerish, so I try to err on the side of caution.I had forgotten about the Economist. I wish I could take a week's vacation and watch all of the episodes back-to-back. I keep forgetting things.
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"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by pinksparkleguitar on 02-11-09 at 12:26 PM
Yay! Can't wait!
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"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by dabo on 02-12-09 at 01:01 AM
Crud, they offed Charlotte. I mean, really, she had great eyes, just think of what an opening eye scene she could have done.
"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by zombiebaby on 02-12-09 at 08:22 AM
LAST EDITED ON 02-12-09 AT 08:57 AM (EST)Lost brought the gory and creepy back again last night!
The whole Danielle thing seemed so rushed and put in just to appease those clamoring for a back story, but it was not much new.
Loved Ben pulling the van over to yell at Sun and Jack.
Jin broke my heart. He loves Sun and baby so much he would rather be seperated from them.
Charlotte was a convincing corpse.
I am utterly confused over the Faraday/Charlotte meeting!
Completely unsure over who is good/bad, right/wrong with the whole Ben/Christian/Widemore. Mighty fine writing there!
Locke is breaking my heart. He seemed to have gotten what he was looking for all along right before he jumped in that well. He had a family, they loved and accepted him. James' reaction after the flash when he realized they lost him was yet another great performance.
I'm trying to remember, were Richard and Tom the only two people we have seen both on and off island? I mean going back and forth?
Is it me or was this an unusually suspenseful cliffhanger for a mid-early season episode?
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"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by Breezy on 02-12-09 at 08:59 AM
Danielle- we learned WHY she didn't have the sickness. Jin kept her from going into the cave after the monster.Lots of good acting last night. Jin, Sawyer, Charlotte... I totally didn't see the "I think he was you, Daniel" coming. Loved it!
"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by zombiebaby on 02-12-09 at 09:14 AM
Agree about the acting!We learned how Montand(sp?) lost his arm too. Wonder if that was the arm that Vincent had that one time?
"Good call"
Posted by J I M B O on 02-12-09 at 08:09 PM
I bet it was. Part of me has wondered if they had this season's storyline in mind the whole time. Little things like the arm make me think they did.
Although...I don't recall the first time Danielle met Jin after the plane crash. Wouldn't you think she'd have reacted pretty strongly to seeing him? A disappearing guy who saved you should be etched in one's memory.
"RE: Good call"
Posted by DoodleBug on 02-18-09 at 12:35 PM
I thought the same thing, Jimbo, but I'm not sure that Jin and Danielle have ever met. I was searching through Lostpedia to see if they ever have. When she was leading some of them to the radio tower to turn off her signal, Jin stayed at the camp to blow up the tents. He was on rafts and boats at other times, so I don't think they ever had the chance to meet. He knew her name only because Sayid, Jack and Sawyer talked about the crazy french woman.
If anyone can remember otherwise, please let me know!
"RE: Good call"
Posted by mrc on 02-18-09 at 01:16 PM
Jin reacted to Danielle when she said her name, so he obviously had heard of her, but maybe not vice-versa.
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"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by dabo on 02-14-09 at 02:48 PM
Ethan was off island for Juliette's recruitement.
"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by moonbaby on 02-12-09 at 09:09 AM
I love this show! Sorry about Charlotte, I almost feel responsible because I didn't like her much. So she grew up on the island and met Faraday there when she was younger. He warned her to never go back, that it would kill her. Why didn't he remember that? I guess time travel messed with his brain, too.I got the impression from Jack's dad (Jacob?)that if Locke had turned the wheel instead of Ben things might have been OK. Why would that have made a difference?
The reunion of Sawyer and Jin was great. So glad to have Jin back but I sure do miss Hugo. I hope he gets out of jail soon.
One more thing-the monster and the ripped off arm of the french guy. Maybe that's how Dr. Candle lost his arm!
"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by Breezy on 02-12-09 at 10:00 AM
I got that too Moonie, that Locke was supposed to turn the wheel not Ben. And that's why the island is skipping.
"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by pinksparkleguitar on 02-12-09 at 10:47 AM
Yes - I got that too. When Christian talked to Locke, he said the wheel was 'off it's axle' like somehow when Ben pushed it, he broke it?I'm still trying to decide if Ben was really trying to do what was right, and push the wheel himself since he knew more about it, or if Ben knew Locke needed to be the one to turn the wheel and he took over because he's just plain evil or was jealous.
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"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by CTgirl on 02-12-09 at 06:12 PM
I got that too and I wonder if the island will stop skipping now that Locke has corrected the axle and left the island. Charlotte's already dead from the effects of island skipping. There is no way that the rest of them will survive another year or two of skipping through time - they'll all die from nosebleeds!

"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by J I M B O on 02-12-09 at 08:11 PM
Seems people whose names start with CHARL don't end up living. First Charlie, then Charlotte. Just sayin.
"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by zombiebaby on 02-12-09 at 09:34 PM
or Na...Nadine, Nadia, NaomiIt keeps coming 'round and 'round!
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"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by michel on 02-12-09 at 10:11 PM
"So she grew up on the island and met Faraday there when she was younger. He warned her to never go back, that it would kill her. Why didn't he remember that?"I see two possible explanations:
1- Charlotte was so young when Danielle warned her that he didn't recognize her. (Not much can come from that explanation)
2- The warning will happen in the future for Daniel. He still hasn't jumped to the time period when Charlotte was on the island with Dharma. He can't remember since he hasn't lived it yet. This is more interesting because that would mean Daniel doesn't believe that you can't change the future.

"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by mrc on 02-12-09 at 09:25 AM
An interesting episode with lots of things going on.1. Danielle's backstory was interesting to me. We now know why she had a hard time trusting the Oceanic peeps.
2. I thought the appearance of the smoke monster and its lair was an important segment that will become important later. Do people get dragged in and die? If you aren't dragged in to the lair but go voluntarily, do you get sick?
3. I'm still curious as to why Danielle doesn't remember Jin and vice-versa unless they didn't come into contact previously.
4. Jin asked Charlotte to translate for him, which suggests thsat he knows her from somewhere.
5. Charlotte is much more interesting now that she is dead. How does she know Korean? Who is her mother? When did she live on the Island? Why did they leave?
6. Faraday is becoming more and more important. That he didn't seem to remember telling her to leave the Island and not come back is interesting to me.
7. Ms. Hawking is creepy. I don't know if it's the fact that she always has candles behind her that make her shimmer, but she seems otherworldly. (She also looks like a former professor of mine.)
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"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by sisyphus on 02-12-09 at 10:42 AM
>An interesting episode with lots of
>things going on. I agree there but there was also mor questions...
>2. I thought the appearance of the smoke monster and its
lair was an important segment that will become important later.
Do people get dragged in and die? If you aren't dragged in to the lair but go voluntarily, do you get sick?
I think the smoke monster is pre-dharma....and what is the temple???/ why is it there?
>3. I'm still curious as to why Danielle doesn't remember Jin
and vice-versa unless they didn't come into contact previously.
In the previous seasons, you cannot say for sure that she did not recognize Jin...danielle by that time was not overly demonstrative and confiding....she was just trying to survive and plus I don't think she met Jin initially.....ie 16 yrs later
>4. Jin asked Charlotte to translate for him, which suggests that he knows her from somewhere.
From the previous season he knew she understood korean..
>5. Charlotte is much more interesting now that she is dead.
>How does she know Korean? Who is her mother? When did she live on the Island? Why did they leave?
She was an anthropologist and could be for the same reason that Juliet knows latin...for all we know Juliet does know Korean...More interestingly I think is who is her father...could it be Richard Alpert??????
>6. Faraday is becoming more and more important. That he didn't
>seem to remember telling her to leave the Island and
>not come back is interesting to me.
I think he may have time travelled/jumped(as they are doing now) to the time charlotte was a child on the island, after she died, he recognized her and warned what would happen if she left the island and came back...I too would be scared of someone who just jumped in and out of existence..
>7. Ms. Hawking is creepy. I don't know if it's the fact that she always has candles behind her that make her shimmer, but she seems otherworldly. (She also looks like
a former professor of mine.)
She is creepy but I think she is one of the original Dharma people...what is creepy is that she is ddanielles mother and I begin to wonder if danielle was raised on the island also, but then why is he not suffering like charlotte....leads me to believe that it a connection to island that is causing the nosebleed and head aches etc, since everyone is beginning to feel it also...so will desmond go back also????he promised not to leave penny and charley...
what is the name of the airline that had previously crashed?
"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by HauntedOne on 02-12-09 at 10:42 AM
4. Jin asked Charlotte to translate for him, which suggests thsat he knows her from somewhereI think when Jin was yelling "translate" he was talking to Miles. Miles said "What? He's Korean, I'm from Encino"
"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by J Slice on 02-12-09 at 10:43 AM
4. Jin asked Charlotte to translate for him, which suggests thsat he knows her from somewhere.Yes, he does - from the island. You may not recall, but he and Sun went walking with Charlotte and Daniel, and Jin asked Sun, "Do you think she knows he likes her?" Sun replied "a woman always knows." Jin caught Charlotte responding to this conversation and worked out that Charlotte spoke Korean.
He later used this to his advantage and threatened to hurt Daniel unless Charlotte ensured Sun would get off the island.

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"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by pinksparkleguitar on 02-12-09 at 10:51 AM
Thanks, Slice. I couldn't remember how Jin and Sun figured out Charlotte spoke Korean, but I knew they knew she did. Thanks for jogging my memory.
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"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by mrc on 02-12-09 at 11:58 AM
Thanks. I knew he was talking to Charlotte, not Miles, but I had forgotten that scene.
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"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by CTgirl on 02-12-09 at 06:20 PM
3. I'm still curious as to why Danielle doesn't remember Jin and vice-versa unless they didn't come into contact previously.I'm thinking Danielle didn't recognize Jin with the Losties because he hadn't traveled back in time yet to 1988 so older Danielle hadn't met him yet. I think Jin does recognize Danielle but he just hasn't said anything. He double-checked her name and then asked her what year it was so he knows something's not right on the island.

"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by Devious Weasel on 02-12-09 at 07:20 PM
2. Smokey's guarding the Temple, which is where all the Others were headed at the end of last season. So I agree, we'll see more of it.3. I like the idea that Danielle's gone so nuts over the years that it doesn't register with her that she's seen Jin before.
6. That's because he hasn't done it yet in his timeline. I bet we see it happen at some point in the future.

"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by zombiebaby on 02-12-09 at 09:35 PM
It would be funny if maybe Jin just keeps popping up in her timeline at random moments when they flash so she gets used to him.
"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by J Slice on 02-12-09 at 12:33 PM
I am now leaning heavily toward the following:Daniel has gotten himself stuck in an inevitable time-loop. At some point in the yet-unseen future, he goes back to Charlotte-as-a-child because he now knows he has to, so as not to alter history. But due to the nature of "Course Correction", Charlotte will die.every.time. That is why I think Daniel cries when he first sees the wreckage from 815 - he knows that his time loop begins at that moment.
Poor Faraday, stuck in a Mobius strip.

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"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by trigirl on 02-12-09 at 01:46 PM
Glad to see Danielle's backstory. It broke my heart to see her baby-daddy turn on her.Was it just me, or was there a look of surprise when Desmond asked Ben if he was there to see Farraday's mother too? Is it possible that Ben did not realize that Eloise Hawking was Farraday's mother?
Okay...Christian Sheppard. Totally freaked me out when he said "say hello to my son". Until now, I believed that Jacob was not Christian, but rather a spirit that embodied Christian. Now we know that Jacob is Christian. How is THAT possible?
"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by Devious Weasel on 02-12-09 at 07:23 PM
I felt the same way. I don't think Ben knew that particular fact, and since Ben already knows that Widmore was funding Faraday, the fact that Eloise is Faraday's mother really caught him off guard. Christian isn't Jacob. As he told Locke last season, he's a representative acting on behalf of Jacob.
"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by blacknwhitedog on 02-12-09 at 03:09 PM
OMH that was a good episode. This season has been so much better than last I think. I read in Entertainment mag that last season the writers felt very boxed in with the story. This season they now know is the 2nd to last season so they can start tying up loose ends for next year.I agree with Slicea about Daniel and he is my favorite character along with Desmond.

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"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by HobbsofMI on 02-12-09 at 04:07 PM
Though it seemed like a slow ep.....they gave us a ton of juicy stuff.....I loved it.But I wonder where Penny and Charlie is? How is Ben going to get the rest to commit to go back?
Next week looks killer and what will Desmond and Ben say to Eloise with the new knowledge that they have.
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"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by CTgirl on 02-12-09 at 06:49 PM
I thought this was a great episode. I was riveted to the TV by the second half hour.-Poor Danielle having to shoot her husband and friends before they killed her. She looked much more like the crazy lady we knew and loved last night.
-The smoke monster made the French men "sick" because they wanted to kill Danielle. Can anyone remember if smokey ever captured someone and let them go and were they different afterwards? When/how did Mr. Eko come in contact with it? The second year is really hazy in my mind (no pun intended!)
-I was so scared for Jin when he heard the gun click. Then when it turned out to be Sawyer: best scene of the night!
-"There was this crazy man" - Daniel sure gets around! Charlotte's death was no big surprise, but I was starting to like her. And I agree with other posters: why didn't Daniel remember that conversation? (or was he just acting sly and sneaky again, lol.)
-Having Christian Shepherd show up down in the Orchid station while Locke was lying in the dark, injured, was pretty powerful. His demeanor reminded me a bit of Richard Alpert. If he's Jacob that could be a major reason why the plane crashed: to bring him back home. And somehow the powers that be arranged for other "special" people to be on the plane too.
-I agree with trigirl that Ben didn't expect Desmond to be there and that he didn't know that Faraday was Eloise's son. Ben did not look happy with that piece of info!
-Dharma and the Others seem to have every technological advantage, but both in the church scene and in Scotland with Desmond, Eloise gives off a supernatural, "witchy" feeling. I like this cat and mouse game between all leaders. You're not sure who is good, bad or both.

"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by J I M B O on 02-12-09 at 08:21 PM
Didn't Locke allow himself to get dragged underground? Not sure, but maybe that's the point where he started to get more forceful. Not sure old Locke would have killed his dad or pointed a gun at Jack with hostile intent. But of course he's "special" so the effect may not be sickness.The reason I don't think Daniel remembers visiting Charlotte is that it hasn't happened yet. Unless there have been time jumps during commercial break (i.e. we don't know about them), I'm assuming his visitation to child-charlotte is in a time jump yet to happen (in the show's time).
Which, after her death, makes me wonder if that point will come in the future and he'll second guess what he tells her. Although, given the logical parameters they've established that's not possible. Going to be weird when he "has" to tell her the message that led to her death!
"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by batts on 02-12-09 at 08:42 PM
Didn't Locke allow himself to get dragged underground?Are you referring to when he was dragged backards and he went halfway in a hole, and Jack was holding onto him? When Locke said "Let go... I'll be alright"? I think they threw some dynamite into the hole to make smokey let go.
"RE: Ep. 5.5: "This Place Is Death""
Posted by CTgirl on 02-12-09 at 09:23 PM
You are right about Locke and the monster.Here's the Lostpedia summary for the smoke monster: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Smoke_monster
Locke and The French scientists were the only ones who have escaped from smokey's clutches.
"What's this buzz"
Posted by moonbaby on 02-14-09 at 12:34 PM
about the numbers broadcasting voice sounding like Hurley? I re-watched the episode and had a listen and I'm undecided. It could be him, I'm really not sure. Interesting idea, though.
"WHERE IS...."
Posted by dabo on 02-14-09 at 02:51 PM
CLAIRE!
"RE: WHERE IS...."
Posted by skyhoneybear on 02-16-09 at 01:40 PM
Vincent?? LOL....I did read on Lostpedia that Vincent is the only confirmed cast member to make it to Season six (honest)!

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"RE: WHERE IS...."
Posted by J Slice on 02-17-09 at 11:49 AM
In that vein, where the hell are Rose and Bernard?They aren't redshirts, so the show wouldn't just kill them offscreen.
Would it?

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