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"Ep. 5.03: Jughead"

Posted by mrc on 01-28-09 at 11:16 AM
Another great episode of Lost on tonight. Will there be more Hot Pockets thrown? Will more noses bleed? Will Paula and Kara REALLY make out? Tune in and find out.

*SPOILER*

Alright, here's the episode description for this Desmond-centric episode:

Desmond goes in search of a woman who could be the key to helping Faraday stop the island's erratic movements through time, and Locke discovers the identity of the unknown forces who have been attacking the survivors.

Guest starring: Nestor Carbonell as Richard Alpert, Sonya Walger as Penelope "Penny" Widmore, Alan Dale as Charles Widmore, Rebecca Mader as Charlotte Lewis, Tom Connolly as Jones, Alexandra Krosney as Ellie, Imelda Corcoran as Abigail, Matthew Alan as Cunningham, Dan Hildebrand as custodian, Mary Ann Taheny as Moira, Raymond Ma as Efren Salonga, Sarah Farooqui as Theresa and Tuli Roy-Kirwan as secretary. Written by Elizabeth Sarnoff & Paul Zbyszewski. Directed by Rod Holcomb.

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Table of contents
  • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,zombiebaby, 05:35 PM, 01-28-09
  • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,HobbsofMI, 09:00 PM, 01-28-09
    • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,zombiebaby, 10:19 PM, 01-28-09
      • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,mrc, 11:15 PM, 01-28-09
        • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,trigirl, 08:09 AM, 01-29-09
          • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,HobbsofMI, 08:17 AM, 01-29-09
            • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,BrassFan, 09:50 AM, 02-02-09
      • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,Travel_Queen, 10:03 AM, 01-29-09
  • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,HobbsofMI, 09:02 PM, 01-28-09
  • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,mrc, 11:20 PM, 01-28-09
    • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,MPVLOST, 00:16 AM, 01-29-09
      • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,trigirl, 07:59 AM, 01-29-09
        • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,HobbsofMI, 08:28 AM, 01-29-09
    • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,HobbsofMI, 08:18 AM, 01-29-09
      • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,mrc, 08:21 AM, 01-29-09
        • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,trigirl, 08:23 AM, 01-29-09
          • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,HobbsofMI, 08:27 AM, 01-29-09
            • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,trigirl, 08:30 AM, 01-29-09
              • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,zombiebaby, 08:40 AM, 01-29-09
    • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,Breezy, 08:44 AM, 01-29-09
      • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,zombiebaby, 08:49 AM, 01-29-09
        • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,Breezy, 08:55 AM, 01-29-09
        • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,CTgirl, 12:46 PM, 01-29-09
          • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,mrc, 01:14 PM, 01-29-09
  • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,batts, 03:08 AM, 01-29-09
  • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,zombiebaby, 08:16 AM, 01-29-09
    • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,HobbsofMI, 08:25 AM, 01-29-09
    • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,trigirl, 08:27 AM, 01-29-09
  • Random Thoughts,CTgirl, 12:57 PM, 01-29-09
    • RE: Random Thoughts,HobbsofMI, 02:49 PM, 01-29-09
    • RE: Random Thoughts,warp_core breach, 05:01 PM, 01-29-09
    • RE: Random Thoughts,DoodleBug, 02:17 PM, 02-05-09
  • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,trigirl, 05:59 PM, 01-29-09
  • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,michel, 06:37 PM, 01-29-09
    • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,BrassFan, 02:45 PM, 02-02-09
      • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,Travel_Queen, 04:51 PM, 02-02-09
  • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,dragonflies, 08:22 AM, 01-30-09
  • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,Max Headroom, 08:33 AM, 01-30-09
  • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,CTgirl, 08:27 PM, 02-04-09
    • RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead,trigirl, 08:08 AM, 02-05-09
  • Rewatched....,Meemo, 02:39 PM, 02-05-09

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"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by zombiebaby on 01-28-09 at 05:35 PM
*tries to shield eyes from rest of post*

You have a Jughead hat don't ya?

Will Betty, Veronica and Archie be along for the ride?


"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by HobbsofMI on 01-28-09 at 09:00 PM
They replayed "The Lie" with comments....anyone catch any that were important or confirmed what we saw last week?


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"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by zombiebaby on 01-28-09 at 10:19 PM
I saw they said Mrs. Hawkings name was Eloise. Which would play into her being Daniels mother just for the fact he named that mouse after her.

I wonder if that chick Ellie is her as well.

Oh and it looked like a Hot Pocket!


"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by mrc on 01-28-09 at 11:15 PM
Ellie=Eloise

Interesting!


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"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by trigirl on 01-29-09 at 08:09 AM
Ellie=Eloise

Didn't catch that! Maybe Charles Widmore is her baby-daddy....or someone else in Camp Otherloco (not to be confused with the yellow houses of New Otherton.

Is Daniel's Oxford screw-up lady not really brain dammaged, but rather 'skipping' through time without a constant?

The other big question I have about Daniel is why was he weeping when he saw the wreckage of Oceanic 815. Remember when we were first introduced to him? His storyline is the most interesting of season 5.

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"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by HobbsofMI on 01-29-09 at 08:17 AM
Well....we have seen Daniel with Dharma building stations, we had the chick last night say he came back again, his experiments due to Widmore, and now he is on the island again with his journal that tells him what happens. Weeping when he saw the wreckage because he knew it was going to start all over again?


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"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by BrassFan on 02-02-09 at 09:50 AM
>Well....we have seen Daniel with Dharma
>building stations,

I think people are making this part too complicated. I think that at some point this season, the Losties are going to jump back in time to the point when the Orchid was being constructed, and Daniel is going there to try and fix things by spinning the donkey wheel.

>we had the
>chick last night say he
>came back again

I don't think Ellie was saying "he" came back, but rather "they" came back..as in the US Army couldn't stay away.


"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by Travel_Queen on 01-29-09 at 10:03 AM
>I saw they said Mrs. Hawkings
>name was Eloise. Which
>would play into her being
>Daniels mother just for the
>fact he named that mouse
>after her.
>
>I wonder if that chick Ellie
>is her as well.
>
>Oh and it looked like a
>Hot Pocket!

I have a few thoughts and have put pieces together that may or may not fit!

I agree, Ellie = Eloise and is Daniel's Mom (which is why she reminded him of someone. Charles Widmore and Ellie were on the Island at the same time in 1954, therefore could Widmore be Daniel's Dad? He funded Daniel's research after all. Desmond went to Widmore and asked where Daniel's Mom was..and he gave him her address in LA and said she was private and wouldn't be happy (this implies more than a casual relationship IMO.) Therefore, Penny and Daniel are brother and sister (or at least half siblings).

Widmore is also paying for the girl in the bed's care, more likely a Dad paying for a son's mistake. Not sure if Charlotte is the same girl...or her daughter. Miles implied she was returning, so could she have been born on the Island?

okay here it gets a little wild. Could Penny be the girl that looks like Juliet and whom Ben loves? If they were on the Island together at some point, Ben could have had a "crush" on her that her father did not approve of...and therefore now the epic battle we see between the two? Ben said that Widmore "changed the rules"..open season on his daughter now.



"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by HobbsofMI on 01-28-09 at 09:02 PM
A new baby.......yea......


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"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by mrc on 01-28-09 at 11:20 PM
1. Widmore was on the island as a young Other. Wowzer!

2. Ellie (the blonde, female Other) looked a lot like the woman in the bed that Des went to see. But Hobbs pointed out that Ellie might be Eloise Hawking. Hmm.

3. Des and Penny's son is named Charlie.

4. Daniel loves Charlotte. Aww! But she might be dying! *gasp*

Nothing earth-shattering, but a good episode that illustrates Faraday's increasing importance.

Tribefied


"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by MPVLOST on 01-29-09 at 00:16 AM
Locke told Richard to go visit him when he's born 2 years later. Richard was at the hospital shortly after Locke was born in an earlier episode.


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"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by trigirl on 01-29-09 at 07:59 AM
D'oh! My feed got all wonky when Locke and Richard were having their tete-a-tete. Did I miss anything else?

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"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by HobbsofMI on 01-29-09 at 08:28 AM
Just as Locke was trying to get how to get off the island he heard the jump coming....which I found interesting....why would Daniel not go to the station and turn the wheel since he knows where it is.


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"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by HobbsofMI on 01-29-09 at 08:18 AM
What are the chances that Des and Penny's son is Charlie?


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"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by mrc on 01-29-09 at 08:21 AM
I think the name was to honor Charley, who sacrificed his life for Des.

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"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by trigirl on 01-29-09 at 08:23 AM
Interesting though that Charlie helped them find each other and Charles has tried to keep them apart.

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"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by HobbsofMI on 01-29-09 at 08:27 AM
Yep....but if Des goes back with the baby and Penny....could they skip back in time? I know Charlie had a brother but can't remember if he gave us any back ground on his family.


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"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by trigirl on 01-29-09 at 08:30 AM
They did give us background on Charlie Pace's family. I remember that Charlie's dad was not very nice and was a butcher. The mother wanted her sons to play the piano. The brother's name is\was Liam.

"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by zombiebaby on 01-29-09 at 08:40 AM
Like the butcher shop Ben went to? Dum dum dum dum!!!!

"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by Breezy on 01-29-09 at 08:44 AM
1. Holey Carp! That was a good shock.

2. I thought the same thing, she looked exactly like the girl in the bed. Daniel kept saying she looked just like... that's whom I thought he meant.

3. He's curls are too cute.

4. She's toast.


"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by zombiebaby on 01-29-09 at 08:49 AM
I wonder if Faraday is telling the truth though about changing things. Maybe that was "The Lie" and not the lie we already knew about(O6).

If Charlotte is going to die then he is going to want to change things. I also wonde too when is Daniel from? He could be from further back in the past than we assume.


"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by Breezy on 01-29-09 at 08:55 AM
I think Daniel is from when he was at Oxford doing his experiments. He found a way to time travel and that's why he's been seen in different times.

"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by CTgirl on 01-29-09 at 12:46 PM
I wonder if Faraday is telling the truth though about changing things.

I don't think he is. I like his character, but he's kind of nervous and shifty like he's not telling the full truth about anything. I have thought for a while that we're going to have some different endings after everyone gets back to the island.


"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by mrc on 01-29-09 at 01:14 PM
I agree.

The producers are on record that viewers have to watch the show w/o trying to divide characters into good guys/bad guys. There's a lot of gray on this show, and I think all of the characters have good/bad qualities.

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"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by batts on 01-29-09 at 03:08 AM
.... I'm gonna have to watch that again...


"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by zombiebaby on 01-29-09 at 08:16 AM
Theresa. Was that her name? The one who Daniel made swiss cheese out of? Wasn't that the name of Boone's nanny? I know shared name like Charles/Charlie but you never know!

This is because I JUST saw that episode where Locke has the vision of bloody Boone saying "Theresa go up the stairs, Theresa go down the stairs". Random saying in an episode chock full of "future" clues.


That bomb is soooo going to play a role later on!


"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by HobbsofMI on 01-29-09 at 08:25 AM
Jughead is the name of the bomb......I see the end of the island...


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"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by trigirl on 01-29-09 at 08:27 AM
Theresa. Wasn't that the name of Boone's nanny?

Yes! Yes! Yes! Great catch. Didn't he feel responsible for her falling down the stairs or something? Did they ever actually say that she had died? Great catch!

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"Random Thoughts"
Posted by CTgirl on 01-29-09 at 12:57 PM
I like the way the island is skipping around in time allowing D&C to give us the back story of the island.

Penny's going to LA where Ben is. That makes me very, very nervous since he's pledged to kill her.

It seems as if the island was more visible to the world before the Others used Dharma technology to block it being found.

What a surprise to see a young Charles Widmore and he was just as much of a jerk then and he is now! Have we seen evidence that Charles Widmore is behind the Dharma initiative? Ben killed everyone at Dharma so that could be behind their feud. It's Charles vs. Ben and Eloise (Ellie?)

If Eloise is Daniel's mother and he worked at Oxford, why doesn't he have an English accent?!

Maybe Miles is the baby we saw with Dr. Chang.

Another great episode!


"RE: Random Thoughts"
Posted by HobbsofMI on 01-29-09 at 02:49 PM
What would have happen is Locke shot Widmore?


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"RE: Random Thoughts"
Posted by warp_core breach on 01-29-09 at 05:01 PM
I liked this episode... so much that I watched it twice because I have time-shifting on my satelite dish.

1. I thought Ellie looked like Theresa and thought she was maybe her mom but then several people said she could be Eloise, Faraday's mom... hmmm

2. Obviously, some sort of "falling out" occurs between Richard and Whidmore at some future date.

3. So the homicidal cutie is Whidmore... wow!

4. The source of the conflict between the Others and _____ is becoming a little more clear... although there's still 2 seasons left and it likely isn't going to be totally revealed anytime soon.

5. The reason why Richard visited Locke in the hopsital, and smiled mysteriously, after Locke was born - cool.

6. Richard's way of speaking was well, normal as opposed to current times where he speaks in riddles and such... but I guess that's because he hadn't been visited by future Losties yet.

7. The exchanges between Juliet and Sawyer... interesting. I don't think they'll knock boots, but you never know. But he loves Kate... he threw himself out of a helicopter for her!

8. I love Desmond! He is a such a great person! I'll add him to my list of Lost hotties.

9. Charlotte is going to end up like Theresa.

10. I think it's obvious now who Faraday's mother is... whether she is Ellie, well that's not clear yet.

11. Missed the Charlie reference the first time I watched the episode. It took a second viewing... duh, he named his son after Charlie Pace (I thought it was after Whidmore... duh!).

12. It seems only Locke can tell when the island/they is/are going to shift... why?



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"RE: Random Thoughts"
Posted by DoodleBug on 02-05-09 at 02:17 PM
If Eloise is Daniel's mother and he worked at Oxford, why doesn't he have an English accent?!

Because he grew up in the states and didn't get the accent.


"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by trigirl on 01-29-09 at 05:59 PM
What about Charlotte being Charles Widmore's daughter?

"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by michel on 01-29-09 at 06:37 PM
LAST EDITED ON 01-29-09 AT 06:58 PM (EST)

For an episode that was mainly just setting up future events it still had some interesting surprises:

- Charles Widmore being on the island in the 50s is surprising. I originally thought he funded Dharma to use the islands for commercial purposes but it seems he used Dharma simply to find the island, to find a way to go back himself. Was he an Other like Richard or was he kidnapped as a child by the Others?

- Ellie being Eloise Hawking and Daniel's mother would be interesting. It could also mean Widmore is Daniel's father but wouldn't Daniel recognize his mother? I mean, we usually see plenty of pictures of our mother as a younger woman.

- Jughead tells us that the Others don't jump in time like the Losties and everyone else who isn't from the island. Daniel told Ellie they had to bury the bomb. Since, as Daniel said, the island didn't blow up, then the Others had to stay behind when time shifted so that they could bury Jughead.


"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by BrassFan on 02-02-09 at 02:45 PM
>- Ellie being Eloise Hawking and
>Daniel's mother would be interesting.
>It could also mean Widmore
>is Daniel's father but wouldn't
>Daniel recognize his mother? I
>mean, we usually see plenty
>of pictures of our mother
>as a younger woman.

I thought he did....

He told her that she reminded him of someone, and she said "another someone like the girl you just professed your love to in there?" and his reply was something to the effect of "not even close..."


"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by Travel_Queen on 02-02-09 at 04:51 PM
I just rewatched last night online..and he says "not even close" in reply to her "Romeo" comment.


"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by dragonflies on 01-30-09 at 08:22 AM
I enjoyed the episode.

I'm really curious about the girl that Daniel monkeyed up. She 'wakes up' as a child? Hmm. Something else going on there.

I loved the Widmore was on the island as a younger man. I think it kind of humanizes him, that he wants to get back there.

So is Charlotte toast? Really?

Did you see the previews? I heard Sawyer say "I saw Kate in the jungle"...

Next week looks great!




"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by Max Headroom on 01-30-09 at 08:33 AM
I think Daniel Faraday is this season's Benjamin Linus. It's early in the season, but everything has been revolving around him so far. Is he good, evil, searching for something, trying to fix something, or just misguided? That ambiguity is what makes his character so interesting to watch.

I also find it interesting that Daniel Dae Kim (Jin) is still present in the opening cast credits. I wonder how they'll work him back into the storylines?


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"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by CTgirl on 02-04-09 at 08:27 PM
Here's a short video from TV Guide interviewing C&L about Jughead. No spoilers zombie!

http://tinyurl.com/atzxgr



"RE: Ep. 5.03: Jughead"
Posted by trigirl on 02-05-09 at 08:08 AM
Great video. I don't think it is too spoilerish that they imply we will see Ellie again, but that Theresa is not a main character.

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"Rewatched...."
Posted by Meemo on 02-05-09 at 02:39 PM
Watched the episode again last night before the new one....

Didn't pick up a whole lot, other than the fact that Widmore had a big painting of a polar bear in his office when Desmond went to confront him.



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