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"3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"

Posted by blacknwhitedog on 03-20-08 at 08:34 AM
Enjoy tonight's episode as we get ready to take a ONE MONTH break from LOST so ABC can air some other shows that were victim of the writers strike, sigh... Interesting return of someone in the credits (hidden text)

spoilers below

Meet Kevin Johnson

First aired: 3/20/2008 Production Code: 408
Sayid confronts Ben's spy on the freighter, and Ben urges daughter Alex to flee Locke's camp in order to survive an impending attack.

Writer: Elizabeth Sarnoff, Brian K Vaughan
Director: Stephen Williams
Guest star: Tania Raymonde (Alex Rousseau), Mira Furlan (Danielle Rousseau), Cynthia Watros (Libby), M.C. Gainey (Tom Friendly), Blake Bashoff (Karl), Marsha Thomason (Naomi Dorrit), Kevin Durand (Keamy), Anthony Azizi (Omar), Fisher Stevens (George Minkowski) , Grant Bowler (Captain Gault), Galyn Gorg (Nurse), Jill Kuramoto (Female Anchor), Starletta DuPois (Mother)


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"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by zombiebaby on 03-20-08 at 11:09 AM
*sigh* I'm gonna miss Lost for the next few weeks. I feel so cheated.

So it was not confirmed yet that Micheal is the "man on the boat" right?



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"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by blacknwhitedog on 03-20-08 at 11:17 AM
While Michael (aka Kevin) did show up at the end of last episode, it has not been revealed who is Ben's spy on the boat. I just assume it is Michael- but speculation on my part.


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"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by Wacko Jacko on 03-20-08 at 10:43 PM
>*sigh* I'm gonna miss Lost for
>the next few weeks.
>I feel so cheated.
>
>So it was not confirmed yet
>that Micheal is the "man
>on the boat" right?
>
>
>
>A PhoenixMons Creation

Ben's man on the boat is revealed tonight.


"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by CTgirl on 03-20-08 at 02:48 PM
I don't go looking for Lost spoilers, but when they show up in my mail box, I read them! Here's an interview with Michael/Harold Perrineau from this week's TV Guide Magazine:

http://www.tvguide.com/news/lost-harold-perrineau/080320-01

The spoiler part:

The March 20 episode finds Sayid (Naveen Andrews) demanding to know why his former comrade is posing as deckhand Kevin Johnson, a question answered by a series of darkly revelatory flashbacks that involve Michael at home in Manhattan post-island, the music of Mama Cass and a pivotal Friendly encounter. (Walt pops up only briefly, and four dead characters reappear.) Executive producer Carlton Cuse teases, "It's safe to say Michael's return to the outside world did not work out in any way he hoped or planned."

Also from TV Guide-Ask Ausiello:

Don't expect a definitive answer about the Oceanic Six from Team Darlton. Carlton Cuse tells me they're "not going public with any further clarifications right now." And what of the ABC promo that promised viewers they'd know the identity of the Six by the end of last week's episode? "We don't determine how ABC promotes the show," says Cuse. "But Damon and I will say you have now seen all of the Oceanic Six in this season's episodes."


"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by Wacko Jacko on 03-20-08 at 10:44 PM

>Don't expect a definitive answer about
>the Oceanic Six from Team
>Darlton. Carlton Cuse tells me
>they're "not going public with
>any further clarifications right now."
>And what of the ABC
>promo that promised viewers they'd
>know the identity of the
>Six by the end of
>last week's episode? "We don't
>determine how ABC promotes the
>show," says Cuse. "But Damon
>and I will say you
>have now seen all of
>the Oceanic Six in this
>season's episodes."

Oceanic Six - is revealed tonight also.



"Lost and The Mole"
Posted by Dunard2 on 03-20-08 at 09:16 PM
Anyone else notice the flashes of "The Mole" insignia (the green fingerprint) during the commercial breaks? I think I noticed it 3 times. A little subtle promotion I guess!

I was watching it in HD, not sure if it came through on standard def. Wasn't there a little "HD only" clip at the end of an episode of the plane crashing -- maybe the tail section? -- during Season 2?


"RE: Lost and The Mole"
Posted by KLicK on 03-21-08 at 06:29 AM
I noticed it too!

"RE: Lost and The Mole"
Posted by zombiebaby on 03-21-08 at 07:24 AM
I saw it and did not have HD.


"What what WHAT?"
Posted by moonbaby on 03-20-08 at 09:39 PM
New TIME? TEN instead of NINE? Well crap I certainly couldn't watch a show that late and be all happy and chipper like I always am bright and early every morning.

They're doing this for what, Grey's Lobotomy? Pffft.

Other than that-tonight's episode? Big whoa. I still can't decide who the baddest bad guy is, especially after what happened. Bastiges. I am getting aggravated by this show again so I guess a little time off from it will be good.


"RE: What what WHAT?"
Posted by Breezy on 03-21-08 at 07:13 AM
I agree, 10!?!?!?! *sigh* Now I'll probably start missing it again. But after last night, not sure that will bother me too much. I was not happy or impressed with last night's episode. Lost is back to having me so twisted up that I may give up on it again.



"RE: What what WHAT?"
Posted by zombiebaby on 03-21-08 at 07:26 AM
I can see why the creators did not want to end with this episode. Can you imagine if the strike was not resolved and this is what we were left off with until next year?

I wonder if it was rushed in any way at the end to finish before the strike?


"RE: What what WHAT?"
Posted by CTgirl on 03-21-08 at 07:52 AM
You are so right, last night's episode was aggrevating!

Michael's flashback was odd, contrived and too long. His estrangement from Walt wasn't written very well so it wasn't very believeable.

Ben was at his most creepy, which sometimes is good, but sending Alex, Karl and Danielle out to be ambushed really pissed me off. Karl was expendable, but killing off Danielle makes no sense. So I hope that the fact she landed face down and we didn't see her means that she is still alive. If she's dead, Lost will lose a big part of the island mystery.


"RE: What what WHAT?"
Posted by Wacko Jacko on 03-21-08 at 09:56 AM
I disagree with you. Danielle being dead is sure a lot better than it being someone like Jin, Claire or Desmond. I was so relieved she was 'dead' and not one of the above.

They can easily bring back Danielle if in fact she is dead later. Either as a 'ghost' or in a flashback seen. Here story will be explained at some point. I almost see her coming back as a ghost to axplain to Alex what happened.

I think enough of the original/main cast has been killed off. Remember they said ONE person died. Danielle could still be alive, but if not I am just glad it wasn't someone else who died.

Really, what has Danille really done. She just stands around in the background looking like a cavewoman. She was not needed.


"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by JoshInSGV on 03-21-08 at 00:14 AM
Last week's preview said that someone would die on this episode. Are we to assume that Danielle is dead?? Please, say it ain't so. I hope only Carl is dead. I'll be very upset if they killed off Rouseau. There's so much about her that still needs to be explored. I thought she was supposed to get her own flashback in one of the later seasons. Damn you, Lost!!!

"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by Max Headroom on 03-21-08 at 07:21 AM
*sits next to Breezy*

What a weak episode. An entire episode spent on a flashback for Michael, who never interested me in the first place? In a longer season, I would categorize this episode as "filler", but there's no need for that after the writer's strike shortened the season.


"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by Breezy on 03-21-08 at 07:58 AM
Yup, it felt like a total filler episode and the ending was rushed. IMHO they should have ended on last week's episode. This weeks turned me off Lost.

"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by zombiebaby on 03-21-08 at 07:24 AM
Well it was ok. Micheal was never one of my favorites. He was not interesting enough to be a bad guy or likeable enough to be the good guy that had to do bad things for his boy.

That being said they did move him a bit more toward someone who I believe in my opinion is not doing anything for his son. Everything he has done has not been in Walt's best interest. It was always for Micheal's best interest. It's a pretty big risk if you ask me to have a character out there like this. Interesting to see if he does get redeemed. How though? He already wants to die. It is a very intriguing twist to this story.

Ben? Completely set up Danielle, Karl and Alex. He killed innocents for no reason. I think they were trying to show us that EVERYTHING Ben says is a lie.

Loved the Tom Friendly character again.

Interesting to see Sayid condemn Micheal especially knowing that Sayid in the future is doing what Micheal is.


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"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by mrc on 03-21-08 at 07:30 AM
I think Michael is the guy in the coffin, and this episode is the start of telling us why no one shows up at the guy's funeral.

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"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by zombiebaby on 03-21-08 at 07:35 AM
It does look that way. Also looks like he does not get redeemed. Interesting to see how his body if found in NY ends up in LA though.

Pilot Frank? I think he is being duped. I think that whoever set up this freighter wanted to make sure those that think like Frank and that the plane is out there want a convienent way to get rid of them. He might be on to them as I think he is the one who left the door open.

I'm also still not behind Widmore as being all evil.

You were quite chilling last night.

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"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by mrc on 03-21-08 at 08:07 AM
Did Frank say that his name was Franklin Pierce? I LOId when I heard that. Why not Millard Fillmore?

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"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by zombiebaby on 03-21-08 at 08:13 AM
Lapidis ya history nerd!


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"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 03-21-08 at 07:49 AM
Zombs - I came here just to post that about Ben. I should have known you'd beat me to it.

He set them up perfectly. From telling Alex that he didn't want them to know she's his daughter, to talking about it in front of Danielle. He just moved another chess piece into position.

And the part about the Island not letting Micheal kill himself? Stupid Island!

An almost Jack and Sawyerless episode does not make Tummy a happy camper.

And I feel sorry for all of you not in Central Time Zone!



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"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by Reddhawk on 03-21-08 at 05:26 PM
>Ben? Completely set up Danielle,
>Karl and Alex. He
>killed innocents for no reason.
> I think they were
>trying to show us that
>EVERYTHING Ben says is a
>lie.

I didn't get that at all. I don't think they were trying to show that Ben lies, they were trying to show that Ben manipulates. Ben gets exactly what he wants, but he always has someone else doing the work for him. Everyone that has died because of Ben, has died at the hands of someone else. The only exception I can think of is Ben's father, but then again Ben did say that he's never killed anyone that was "innocent".


"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by Dunard2 on 03-22-08 at 07:56 PM
So what was with the device (hearing aid?) in Karl's ear. You can see it after he was shot and Alex is at his side.

"One little thing"
Posted by zombiebaby on 03-21-08 at 07:44 AM
Was the car that Miceal was driving the same one that appeared in all those Season 1 flashbacks?

Dweeze or TJ? Didn't you have a thread with that?


"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by blacknwhitedog on 03-21-08 at 07:54 AM
I'm so ticked that Danielle is shot! Who is doing the shooting?

Interesting that Sun's father's watch showed up again- so much made about Widmore- what about Sun's father- also a very powerful and wealthy man.

I agree- I never liked the Michael character and I don't care about him now. Interesting that he is seeing the ghost of Libby. It was fun to see Tom Friendly again- I had always assumed he was gay.

One thing for sure- John Locke is being duped again!

So the Oceanic Six according to the previews: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun, Aaron.

I also saw "The Mole" fingerprint logo.


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"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by CTgirl on 03-21-08 at 07:59 AM
I forgot about Libby in the flashbacks - that was a cool touch.

"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by mrc on 03-21-08 at 08:10 AM
So, Aaron is one of the O6.


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"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by zombiebaby on 03-21-08 at 08:13 AM
You never listen to me.

"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by mrc on 03-21-08 at 08:17 AM
It's because I have **** in my ears.

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"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by mrc on 03-21-08 at 08:27 AM
This wasn't my fave episode (Michael has grated on my nerves from day one), but I think it serves a larger purpose--to show how Michael, who I believe is in the man in the coffin, comes to be so hated that no one but Jack shows up at his funeral.

1. Did anyone think Alex looked preggo? There was a side shot of her in the house that made me think so.

2. I still don't know if Ben is totally evil or mostly evil. I still wonder if he wasn't the one to plant the fake O815 plane.

3. Why in the heck would Michael tell Walt that he murdered two people? Walt is only 10 . . . or 12 . . . or maybe 22 by now.

4. Anyone else think Sayid might have replaced Michael as Ben's go-to guy? It seems ironic that Sayid turns in Michael to the captain for being a traitor, yet Sayid himself eventually works for Ben.

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"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by zombiebaby on 03-21-08 at 08:42 AM
1. Did not notice. Interesting twist if so.

2. I think Ben is bad. Or at least lies all the time.

3. They were showing that Micheal is weak. He is selfish. He really is not doing anything in Walt's best interest. He really is thinking of himself. There always is a better way for Micheal to solve a problem but he continually chooses the worst possible way. Kind of like how they show that Locke always gets duped. Jack always has to fix things. Kate always runs. Micheal is willing to kill dozens of people again just so he can kill himself with no thought really to the Losties or to Walt.

4. I thought this too. They had Sayid say again "why would anyone work for Ben?".


"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by garcor on 03-21-08 at 08:49 AM
Nothing against the character or the actor, but I think Michael's story was told by the end of season 2. Believe most likely he is living reasonably happily with Walt somewhere in the US. Don't believe he told a 10 year old he shot two people to get him back. Don't believe he's suicidal or likely to be successfully guilted back by Mr. Friendly, especially with the idea that he can make up for killing two strangers by killing a boatload of strangers.

Could see him with some guilt, but managing it. Could see him having nightmares about the island and wanting to stay as far away from it as possible. Could only see him going near it again if Walt is having nightmares, visions about it and is inconsolable because of them. Could see continued use by show of psychic Walt appearing to key characters left on island.

Maybe the funeral Jack attended (late) in last year's finale was for Michael and changes things somehow but so far not believing entire Michael storyline this year.


"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by mrc on 03-21-08 at 08:52 AM
Good point about Michael. These characters sure have some issues.

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"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by blacknwhitedog on 03-21-08 at 09:05 AM
Michael returned to NY after Ben let him leave the island on the boat and he was living in NY under an assumed name- also Walt- according to Grandma. So he could be the person in the coffin- although why in LA? And how was he finally able to kill himself?

Who else was thinking of Groundhog Day when he tried to kill himself in the car?



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"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by Wacko Jacko on 03-21-08 at 10:09 AM
My take on Michael. I think you got it all wrong. Michael is more complex than you all believe. MIchael does not do everything just for himself. For example he let Michael go live with his mother and stepfather not for his one personal gain.

I also, believe Michael is not going on the boat to just kill himself. He still likes the people on the island. He still considers them friends and I think he wants to redeem himself...that is why he is doing it. To redeem himself for Walt and his former friends. I don't feel Michael will be in the coffin because I believe Michael will redeem himself and if he redeems himself he will have some people come to his funeral.

My question is how does everyone (Lost Characters) know Michael killed Libby and Ana-Lucia? I remember it as Michael made the shooting look like Ben shot those two dead and wounded Michael.


"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by Breezy on 03-21-08 at 10:35 AM
Wow couldn't disagree more. Michael is all about Michael and what does he get out of it.

Letting Walt go live with his mother, was the easy route. Instead of fighting and more court battles.

Michael doesn't care about anyone on the island, he is there because Mr Friendly said he could die after he helped. Michael is in the coffin, he's the only one with a teen-age son. Also, the other reason nobody else went to the funeral? There would be questions... how did they know Kevin Johnson? Michael/Kevin is not one of the Oceanic Six, so it would be raising questions nobody wants raised.

I don't remember which, but either Libby or Ana told them. didn't they? *head tilt*


"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by Devious Weasel on 03-21-08 at 11:03 AM
Michael himself told them. It happened in the season two finale, as Michael, Jack, Sawyer, Kate, and Hurley were on the way to meet the Others.



"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by Breezy on 03-21-08 at 11:23 AM
Ahhhhh thanks Dweeze! *smooch*

"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by dajaki on 03-21-08 at 12:53 PM
I'm on board with Breezy re: Michael. His character has always been whiny and selfish. I've wondered since Walt's Amsterdam move was brought up why Michael didn't just follow them. He's a starving artist for pete's sake. Amsterdam is a mecca for starving artists. Ask the ex for plane fare, get a job with aimless post-grad collegians brewing coffee, and stay in your son's life. The endless whining about doing things for his son, getting back his son, etc., has always seemed like overkill.

And glad to see Mr. Friendly again. Now know why he's so friendly. Glad to see Libby freaking out Michael. She definitely deserves some revenge. Ben is as abhorrent as ever. Hoping Rousseau isn't dead, but wish to see less camera time with her to enhance mystery of island.

I missed quite a bit of episode due to NCAA tournament (go Pac-10!), and am now wondering if I should just go back to old viewing strategy. Don't watch during season, buy DVD set, lock kids and hubby out of bedroom and marathon it.


"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by Breezy on 03-21-08 at 10:31 AM
He's in LA because that's where the freighter would port.

"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by smallpotatoes on 03-21-08 at 11:00 AM
Delurking because after last night's episode I'm more convinced than ever that it is Michael in the coffin. Tom told Michael that the Island wouldn't let him die. So I'm thinking Jack finds out about this & so when Michael does finally manage to kill himself, that is why Jack is so upset. He knows something has happened to the Island & the rest of the survivors. None of the rest of the Oceanic 6 would come to the funeral because they still think of Michael as a traitor. Nobody from his past would come, because he's living under an assumed name. That's my theory anyway.

Jaci


"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by blacknwhitedog on 03-21-08 at 11:37 AM
hello and welcome small tater

good theories


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"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by pinksparkleguitar on 03-21-08 at 01:16 PM
I think Micheal is being written perfectly as a Hamlet type character. "Do I kill myself? Do I not kill myself? Do I kill other people, or do I not kill other people. Am I evil? Am I good?" And the whole time I am yelling at the screen - -"Quit thinking and wondering and just do something!!" He's stuck in is own indecision, and I think doomed for tragedy, not redemption.

If it is Micheal in the coffin, I just wonder why he has to come up with another name for himself. Maybe Jack wanted to go to the funeral because he wants a clue as to how Micheal finally killed himself, but it was a closed casket, and so that probably didn't help him. If Micheal figured out a way, then Jack could've tried it on himself.

I saw The Mole blips.


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"RE: 3/20 Meet Kevin Johnson"
Posted by mrc on 03-21-08 at 02:42 PM
Michael adopted a new name when he and Walt came back, and I suspect it is the one that Jack saw in the newspaper clipping in last season's finale. It was Grantham, I think.


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"regarding the coffin"
Posted by blacknwhitedog on 03-21-08 at 03:13 PM
The name in the obit Jack read in the a paper was John Lantham.
I was thinking about it and how would Jack know this was Michael's assumed name?

I have thought all along that the person in the coffin could be someone we have not yet met on LOST.


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"Perplexed"
Posted by J I M B O on 03-21-08 at 07:33 PM

I'm just perplexed with one thing...what is it that the O6, and apparently Michael as well, were told/shown/threatened with that makes them ALL remain tight-lipped about the other survivors???

I'm thinking that might be what comes out around series finale time in a couple years. But for the life of me, how could they get such stubborn people (Hurley excluded) to totally give up on the island survivors?

For that matter, how did they even explain their survival in the first place? The Oceanic Six are well known, yet we haven't been given any explanation for how they survived--when the world thinks the plane is in a deep trench.

Unless...everyone else on the island was dead. Hmmm...


"Rants"
Posted by michel on 03-22-08 at 02:14 AM
Ever since we saw Jack's flashforward, I've been disappointed with the tangent the story has taken. Now Micheal's episode was a complete turn off. They had 2 years to develop Micheal's story. I imagined that Walt had revealed some of the secrets he had learned while captive, that Micheal had been working endlessly to redeem himself and get back to the island to save them all. That was hoping too much.

Instead, we get this horrid suicide story. Walt is a complete non-factor, Micheal doesn't even care about the people he left behind. We got nothing, no connection to the past. What we got was this visit from Mr Friendly and a completely unrelated, even "potteresque", revelation about his personal life. Maybe it showed Ben's powers and the way he keeps his people loyal but SO WHAT! Did you notice that, in his penthouse room, Tom was "surprised to see (Micheal) so soon" yet the freighter was "leaving Fiji in two days". Stupid writing.

The "Not Yet" sign was cartoonish. Does anyone believe that Ben would so considerate? Stupid writing.

Desmond heard that Widmore was responsible for the big lie about Oceanic 815 and was ready to kill everyone on the island but he had no reactions. He should have been more enraged than Sayid but it was as if he heard nothing. Stupid writing.


I should be wondering if it's Ben or Widmore who is responsible for the cover-up of the plane crash but I don't care anymore. I'll watch only to see how, or rather if, they get out of this mess.

An ex-Lost fan.


"RE: Rants"
Posted by CTgirl on 03-22-08 at 11:23 AM
Your rant summed up the episode well. I am really, really hoping that the rush caused by the impending writer's strike is responsible for this storyline (kind of like when they had to rush to finish Eko's story early and it wasn't that good) and they can right themselves down the road. Can I repeat, that is what I am really, really hoping for!

"Walt"
Posted by moonbaby on 03-22-08 at 12:29 PM
LAST EDITED ON 03-22-08 AT 12:49 PM (EST)

is the only reason I am interested in Michael. I do hope Walt's story line is picked up again, because Walt was so powerful that Ben had to have him. I don't care if the kid shot up like a weed and looks 2o years old. Get another actor. I want to know more about what he can do and I've yet to understand why Ben agreed to let him go.