Jack enters and we get to the point where we left off last week and we get morphed to the ocean as Sawyer sees a huge chnk of the raft. Their portion of the raft starts falling apart as we see the shark below just as Sawyer attempts to swim to the other chink of boat. Sawyer gave Micheal the gun and told him to shoot the shark if he sees him and he does just as Sawyer made the bigger chunk of raft.

Walt and Sawyer wash ashore as Sawyer says that they are home. When they hit the beach they hear Jin screaming with his hands tied behind his back and he has been hit over the head as he is screaming the others.

The others are on the beach.

LOL the closed captioning for Jin running up was Udders Udders Udders then switched to Others.

Never been so happy to see Jin!

Oh goodness, though... the OTHERS!

For a second there, I thought he was gonna say "Starboard"

The Others look suspicously like the zombies in Resident Evil 4. Subtle cross promotion, I bet.

And I flashbacked to Illusion of Gaia when Sawyer and Mike were on the raft. I was waiting for a row of jumping fish to come floating by the boat, but I was pretty positive that a romantic love scene wasn't forthcoming.

So much for answers.....I think we have more questions now but next week we find other crash survivors.

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Why did Desmound make John Lock type in the numbers? Is there a plane flying by? Also why did Lock take off his shoes when entering the main room? Also what is the symbol on everything in the Hatch?

The numbers need to be typed in before the digital countdown reaches zero. The alarm went off and we saw it counting down by seconds with 2:38 remaining. Locke took off his shoes so he would not be heard walking.

The symbol on everything is a swan, with what appears to be the word Dharma.

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thanks for the grab!

my son insists that it is a snake--hard to tell. is the clock set for 108 minutes or 108 hours? the last time the alarm went off the man (Desmond maybe?--although he seemed much cleaner and put together) had time to work out, shower, and shoot up, which could take less time, but 108 minutes isn't very long.

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Edited to say that I can see a snake, as well, but believe it to be a swan for now.

As to the clock...

We get three shots of the "clock" display, which is the old "flip-numbers" style.

First, in successive seconds...

Then, after Locke types the numbers and hits execute, the numbers roll...

And finally stop here:

To me, this indicates 108 minutes and zero seconds remaining.

And I'm theorizing that Desmond has been in the hold for quite some time, never getting more than 105 minutes of sleep before that alarm wakes him. Sleep deprivation has made him more than a little edgy.

I've looked on the Internet for Apollo chocolate bars, to no avail.

Did anyone recognize the packaging? Or do you think it was created by the production team to provide another anacronism from the 1968-75 era?

May have no connection what so ever, but I found this

Meiji Apollo Chocolate, cute little strawberry chocolate candy from Japan. yum.

Maybe Desmond is from the Japan army and that he has been sent there to veiw the Island cause its near Figi.

thanks TeamJoisey! i saw the numbers, but i didn't notice how fast they were changing.

how long can chocolate bars last? maybe Apollo bars are Australian?

The Logo is a take off on the Bagua

We use it in Tai Chi (the 8 symbols around the edge corrospond to 8 movements known as the 8 gates. There is another internal Art Baguazhang which uses that symbol even more heavily). The eight trigrams are combined together to form the 64 symbols of the I Ching.

108 is a magical number in China (and India I find) http://www.rudraksha-ratna.com/articledt.php?art_id=107 has info about this number.. Boone had Chinese numbers on his t-shirt (eight four if I recall correctly)

Somehow I do not think this is all an accident

Can anyone tie the meaning of the Bagua to the island?

Well it is a basis of explaining all that exists in chinese cosmology (From Wuji (nothingness, stillness) comes Taiji (intent, movement, distinction). Taiji creats Yin and Yang (dark, cold, receptive, soft and bright, warm, expansive, hard) and from yin and yang all else comes into being.

The Bagua is one of the steps from two things to everything (traditional 10,000 things). You have that 8 the 8 combine in all possible ways to make the 64 hexagrams of the I Ching. Most of this is about how one thing will always change into another and you can't stop the process and how everything inter-relates with other things.

So in one sense all things on the island must relate to the Bagua as all things in existance do. All the people on the island have inter-relations they don't know about. They are all going through changes. But it is such a general underlying concept of all of creation you could do the Bagua of any show.

It may just be used because it is a cool symbol and be a red herring.

My thoughts exactly. I think every episode gives us more riddles than answers.... the further we go into this show, the more riddled it is. We still don't know what the 'monster' is other than some kind of 'security device'.......

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When Desmond's alarm sounded we saw a digital clock clicking down, by seconds ... 2:38... 2:37... 2:36... and it reset to 108:00 when Locke typed in the sequence. Apparently, something would happen at 0:00 that might displease Desmond.
If our man Desmond has been on the island for a long period of time, then it seems he has been entrusted with typing in the sequence before 108 minutes elapses. Which means the guy hasn't had more than 90 minutes of sleep in a very long time. And that might explain his mental state.

I don't know why Desmond is there, but he certainly doesn't seem too happy. His "are you him?" question sounded to me like the man has spent a serious tour of duty waiting for his replacement. And in the meantime has been convinced the rest of the world was consumed by a plague of some sort.

At the end, Michael and Sawyer are met by Jin, who is struggling to get away from people he called The Others. But Jin has a serious language barrier. I think those people are the other passengers from Flight 815, who cannot communicate with Jin. They suspect Jin is an enemy, and by extension Michael and Sawyer are enemies. The tail-end survivors subdue and imprison our raft passengers without learning that both groups were passengers on the plane.

During this sequence, we glimpse Mysterious Island Man, who punches Sawyer, and is also seen closing the lid on the underground prison. My guess is that he was on the island before the plane crash, and has aligned with the tail end passengers. He also warned them of Others, and thus the suspicion when three other people turned up.

Do you think the days Desmond has been counting has been sixteen years? Was he one of the people that came with Danielle? Does he ask Lock if he is him means the person that received the numbers as call for help?

I don't think Desmond has been there for 16 years, because I don't think it has been 16 years since he met Jack in the stadium. I don't think Jack is older than 40, and 16 years ago he would have been only 24, which is fairly young for a spinal surgeon. (Doogie Howser notwithstanding.)

I don't think Desmond came with Danielle, and may not be aware of her existence. If Danielle changed the message 16 years ago, logically that would precede Desmond's arrival at the island.

Do you think Desmonde knows if someone has received the message? Why was he so opened to Lock after he locked Katie up? If he knew there was a sickness maybe he knows that Danielle was on the island ( just a theory).

Although the time that Desmond has been in the hole may eventually prove to be irrelavant, it certainly seems important at the moment. His stadium encounter with Jack is the only clue that I know we have. The actor that plays Jack is 38, but he looks younger than a 38 year old surgeon would look (hard to tell with ther perpetual stuble). So if we assume Doctor Jack is 35, and Jack was 27 when he did the surgery, then Demond would have been in the hole for about 8 years. I don't see any believeable way that it could be 16 years, but of course this TV.

Conversely, we know from the old equipment and Apollo candy bars (I'm guessing circa 1970) that the hole is more than 30 years old. It is difficult for me to reconcile why the food and equipment would not have been restocked when Desmond took control 5-16 years ago.

Why do you think Desmond plays 70s music cause he has been down there for more than ten years? Also we don't know how much supplies are down there maybe thats not the only supply closet.

On one of those Hollywood news show, Insider i think, they said the woman's face in the 108 mural was Danielle.

Maybe Danielle is the foe?

Danielle's twin? Maybe Desmond has a twin too?

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Ok so I am wondering if Desmonde is some sort of gatekeeper or sentry of making sure that whatever happens when that doomsday clock counts down does not happen.

Was he thinking Locke was maybe the one to relieve him? Did Desmonde relieve someone else? Maybe the guy Hurley was friendly with in the asylum? Could explain why that guy kept repeating those numbers.

Good catch all on the shark...I did not see it all. Loved Sawyer's line "What are you gonna do? Splash me?"

Excellent episode. It is so strange I feel like the answer is right there and just out of my train of thought. Very frustrating but at the same time so exciting.

I hope they can maintain this excitement and suspense for the rest of the run. How far away until next Wednesday?

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