There are plenty of us knuckleheads out here on the left coast relying upon you guys to keep those posts a-comin' so don't worry about it! Just give us a heads-up about the announcement when you think it's immanent so we can tune out for that part.

Okey Dokey, I'll try!

Welcome to the boards!

If we post on it, they will come.

However, everyone's still got a bad case of Survivor Hangover, self included, so don't expect too much here. Besides, they all knew to tune in late and miss the recrap.

Donald just said Jennifer 'has managed to avoid conflict'.

So much for our theories about his having watched the final edit.

'has managed to avoid conflict'

Huh? Was he asleep in the 2 boardrooms with Sandy & her?

*sneaking off to watch a bit*

Segment 1:

(Vols, where are you? I don't write fast enough for this!)

Chaos on both sides of the fence, although it's lighter for Jen. Chris Webber is definitely once-and-for-all out, so they're going to get one of the other NBA attendees to MC. Jen stays up all night to work out important details like printing out signs to place around the stadium.

Kelly doesn't marshall his team at all, lets them fool around while making the gift bags (which includes letting Raj and John sample the wine to ill effect), then gets lost on the way to Kinko's with Elizabeth calling off the directions. R&J destroy a sponsor's sign, and are told they can't sleep until Kelly gets back. Wee hours...

Sorry, I got lost on other forums!

Whew!

Take the controls, Doc. I am not the person to be doing this. By the time I get even minimal detail in, the next segment is on, and I've got transit time between computer and set.

I hadn't even thought of doing this tonight. I didn't think I would be missed!

Yay! Help is here! Welcome Vols!

gotta get my fingers loosened up!

Jen says 'short deadline' and the camera goes right to me.

Et tu, Mr. Burnett?

LOL! That was a hilarious exchange between Raj, John and the wildlife of CT.

Segment 2:

Next morning. Sunny, and the polo field is drying out. They can play. Kelly still can't get control over the troops: R&J basically blow off an order Elizabeth gives them, Elizabeth turns dictator (her terms) in Kelly's office right in front of the so-called boss, who has to mediate as if standing between three seven-year olds with one ice cream cone. Things get settled. Sort of.

Meanwhile, the polo field is having the lines painted on it (couldn't be done in the rain), with the logo of Wisk (sponsor) at each end. Field owner calls Kelly out and tells him to get rid of the logos, because they'll scare the horses. Kelly must go deal with Wisk.

Jen, showing signs of sleep deprivation, runs around putting up signs and delegating Pamela to oversee all on-court activities. NBA players start to arrive and find X-Box (sponsor) systems set up on plasma screens for them to play with. Power to games shorts out: too much draw on the building's wiring. Players unhappy, X-Box rep mildly freaking. Jen must deal with X-box. Heavy hands of coincidence...

LOL! We think alike & post simultaneously!

Genworth wasn't happy with Jenn. Her Xbox sponser guy was really miffed at her when the power went out and the NBA players couldn't play games.

Kelly has a problem with the Wisk logo going on the Polo field b/c it may spook the horses.

Elizabeth was trying to "dictate" to Raj & John (like she is PM or something) and Kelly did a good job of stepping in to be the negotiator & leader.

Kelly is making the phone call to determine what has to be done with the paint on the field. Wes has to make the decision and he will be responsible for placement. Kelly is talking to the field manager and they have decided to place the logos by the grandstands. Kelly thinks the company will be ok with his decision.

Back to basketball. Jen has chosen the comish of the NBA.

OH GAWD! The Donald arrives in his chopper! Chris talking about Jen needing to meet The D. when he arrives. Jen meets him and he meets Bob Lanier. Jen is catering to him.

The ball players are being introduced and Jen is off to make sure everything goes off without a hitch. The comish makes his little speech.

I feel so saved...

So far, at least Jennifer has some control over her troops. Kelly seems to have exactly what his team is willing to give him, and two-thirds of them are granting 'none'. So much for the whole 'leader of men' aspect.

We are playing ball! Chris and Pam are watching the game and cheering. Jen is upstairs in the VIP room with Stacy. Jen has said that she put Pam in charge of the game because she Jen can't be in two places at once. There is this dark haired good looking guy following Jen around...who is he and what is his name?

The game is over and Jen is telling Pam what to do. Jen is now telling Chris to make sure all VIPs are invited to VIP party. The D is leaving and getting on the chopper. Pam and Chris didn't invite The D! Christ reminded Pam and Pam can't find him. Pam says...doesn't The D know? The D says that no one came over to say goodbye! Pam is running to the chopper and she doesn't make it til The D. is gone! RUT RO!

To the polo club. Guest are arriving and Raj tells Jon to go greet peeps. The guest don't know what table they will be sitting at because that hasn't been decided. Carolyn asks Kelly how many peeps are at the tent he has no idea and Carolyn tells him to get over there. They seem very not ready for this!

The D. arrives and Carolyn tells Trump that everything is going well. Kelly goes to meet Trump and kelly takes Trump to the seats and it is a box seat. Kelly puts him/Trump in a box seat. Two of the seats are broken and the box is dirty! Trump asks Carolyn if this would have happened with her in charge and Carolyn says no sir it wouldn't!

Actually, this one I can sum up:

Jennifer is in trouble because she forgot to kiss Donald's rear goodbye, and Kelly is in trouble because he forgot to kiss Donald's rear hello.

Exactly what I was thinking! Who will pad DT's excessive ego more? Looks like both are in some trouble.

Back at the VIP basketball reception. Jen has decided to address the peeps and start a silent auction. All types of BB items like jerseys, basketballs and other items. Chris says the auction didn't go well. Bob Lanier takes over and starts trying to get more bids on his shoes! Too funny.

Back to the polo club. The game has started! These horses are amazing! The game is now over and The D. is getting ready to leave and no one asks him to stay for the dinner! WTF?

The restrooms are filthy and Tony Bennett is going to shower and dress in them. So, someone has to get something done. Kelly asks Jon to go clean the bathroom! BWAHAHAHAHAHA! The food now has ants in it! This is bazarra and Jon was wiping down the steps. Raz is cleaning too. I guess they get done and go to meet Tony!

Kelly is shown making the first introduction at the tent and he gets to introduce Tony. No he didn't introduce him...someone else did! Tony is singing. Everyone is all excited and Kelly is bragging that he hit a home run.

Back to the BB thingy. Jen gives congrats to her team and George says that she did a spectacular job and she hugs her team. Jen says she is pleased with how things went.

At the country club. The show is over and Kelly thanks his team and Carolyn says the event was a success! Kelly leaves and the day is over and The D will meet them in the board room tomorrow!

You're doing a great job Vols, thanks!

George liked the job Jenn did & Carolyn said Kelly did a good job too, they aren't giving us any hints yet.

From just reading this thread, it seems Kelly is in trouble, but that's prolly Trump playing with our heads to fake us out....

Jen and Kelly are preparing to go to the boardroom with their little chats about how their lives will be changed. BLAH BLAH BLAH!

OMH...we even get shots of D putting on his tie!

Jen and Kelly talking down each other. The two head out the door and we have the boardroom!

Kelly and Jen waiting to go into the boardroom are hilarious!

The last 6 that helped out are invited into the boardroom first and D enters. Pam is asked what she thought and she says that Jen did a good job but she didn't above and beyond the call of duty. Chris says that a CEO is good at delegating without not hands on. Stacy says she has analytical skills. D says she introduced him to peeps and then she never saw her again. Pam says she took up the slack. Stacey says that Jen deserves to win.

Jon is asked if Kelly worked with VIP and sponsors and they say that Kelly didn't cater to them, he worked hard though. Elizabeth is given kudos for catering to the targets. Raj says that Kelly doesn't have anything to attract him. Raj says he doesn't like Kelly. Raj says he may not be an aspired leader. Raj says he will work hard. Stacey and Chris says hire Jen. Raj, Elizabeth and Jon would hire Kelly. However, Jon didn't work with Jen! Pam never gave her answer. D congrats them and they are dismissed! This portion wasn't as long as I thought it would be.

Time for Kelly and Jen...

At this time, I would like to plead dubbing. Lots and lots of dubbing.

Jennifer: 'Even though I fired them.'

I?

I heard that but didn't get it in my summary! WTF?

Jen and Kelly go into boardroom.

D asked Jen why she said him down in a chair and never saw her again. Jen says that she had 5 fires to put out. D says he stood there like an idiot and no one came to him and that he didn't see anyone from the team. George says that Jen was not with the players nor the sponsor and the Genworth was not happy that she didn't cater to them. Jen is getting very defensive! Carolyn asked that Jen took minor jobs and she delegated the bigger things and Jen took care of them. George says that he isn't impressed that he doesn't know if Jen can do it. She delegated the most important things.

Carolyn says that Kelly didn't give motivation to work for him. She says that he didn't get his team to work for him. Kelly says explains the whole Elizabeth blow-up and Kelly says that he is a fan of Raj because he worked hard. Carolyn says Kelly was behind the laptop the entire time. Carolyn tells Kelly he needed to be in front of the people. Carolyn tells her that should have done better and Kelly admits it. Kelly says that he hasn't see Jen as a leader. Kelly says that Jen lies. Jen says that Kelly whispers about her behind her back. Kelly says that Jen easedrops. Jen says the Kelly is manipulative. Jen says that she has the passion and the drive and that she stayed up all night for 4 nights straight. Kelly says he has stepped up and he wants to lead and he has the best background. Jen says she can show her peeps the overall picture.

D gives them their congrats and he wants to talk to George and Carolyn.

OH.THE.DRAMA!

What is this? I don't like Jen either, but do we really need everyone and their mother to dump on her before Trump fires her?

jen's boss is kinda stepping up to the plate.

Troy, Amy, Bill, three Trump-sters, Kelly's boss, and two audience members all favored Kelly. Not until Jen's boss and the final audience member did we get any Jen sympathy whatsoever.

I gotta give Jen credit - took all the sh!t poured in her face like an adult and like a professional. I gained respect for her.

I always said she was more of a man than any of the men!

I thought Pamela was the man!

BTW...I am not going to summarize the reunion but I will post the interesting facts.

George says that Kelly is too wooden and stiff but he did like Jen that she has the fire to get it done but abrasive.

Carolyn says that Kelly made some mistakes but Kelly has shown better learder qualities. Carolyn says she feels very strongly! We are live and D says he wants to know what everyone thinks! They are in Lincoln Center and it is full!WOW!

D asks who votes Jen and she gets a small applause. The room erupts when he asks about Kelly!

D says that he really doesn't know who he is going to pick and he calls Regis out to go out and interview peeps in the audience to see what they think.

Y oh Y do we have to up with this putz? I don't like Regis. Regis goes over to interview Bill Rancic and Bill chooses Kelly and says that he stepped up and he delivered results.

CFO for Donald is asked who he should pick and he says that Kelly should be The Apprentice...keep in mind Jen and Kelly get to hear this!

Alan Jope COO of Unilever picks Kelly because he can deliver and is a good human being.

Jen looks disgusted! PRICELESS

COO for D says that he doesn't care much for Jen because..and he stumbles. He picks Kelly. What an idiot...he fell flat on his face.

Michael Frazier with Genworth says that both were good and Kelly did a much better job than Jen and Kelly was an executer! WOW!

Troy is asked next...Troy still has teh spiked hair! Troy still sucks up to the D and he picks D.

Amy is up next and she says that Jen was confrontational and she picks Kelly that he is a strong leader.

Kelly's Colonel from the military is recognized and he tells D why Kelly should get the job. He says that Kelly has the values from home and the values in the military and that has helped him to be sucessful. He says that Kelly can take D's vision and run with it! D asks what type of leader Kelly was and the Colonel said at the very top.

We are shown Kelly's hometown of San Diego and that they are rooting on Kelly.

Jen's current boss from the law firm is there and he tells D that Jen is smart, tough and busines savvy. D asks the boss that Jen is ranked at the top because he knows!

We are now shown the headquarters of the law firm and they are rooting on Jen.

Now they are asking random peeps and Josh says Kelly.

WTF? I am going to wait until they announce the winner. This is getting stewpid.

I spotted She Who Must Not Be Hired in the audience. Thank gawd they didn't go to her for an opinion. (knocks wood)

They are dragging this out just a little bit, aren't they? We have to hear from the Fired Sixteen next because Donald hasn't made up his mind? Geez... Tell Leno to take a nap: he may not be on for a while.

Very curious,,,who is SHE?

O-moan-o-rosa, O-sass-orosa, Assy-aroma, Drama-rosa, etc. etc. take your pick.

Can't remember all of them from last season. There were at least 13.

This is getting stupid now.

NOW the other 16 are going to come back and give input.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Highlight...
Amy is prettier than I remembered. Troy looked every bit as nice a guy as ever and I see Kwame too. Oh, yeah, the she witch (Omorosa too).

Wolfcat

looks a lot better

.... laugh out loud while waiting for this silly show to come on out here. Maybe I WON'T tape it!

will be nice to see the former peeps (well, SOME of the them)

Amy's a hag... she wouldn't get a second look in LA

Hi Chris Webber I mean Shaq. Maybe we'll check out your new website when we get done here!

I cannot believe how lame this show is! DT is making himself out to look like a complete jacka$$ the way he's setting this show up. "I haven't made up my mind so I'm going ot go poll some people in the audience I really respect" wtf is that all about. And then to have their answers scripted (VERY OBVIOUSLY), it just looks so stupid.

This is just ridiculous. Hurry up and get all of these people's noses out of Kelly's a$$ and just tell him he's the winner to spare Jen some of her dignity. So lame. Trump, you are fired.

I think they're trying to hold the audience as long as possible and keep the ratings up

(if it's anything like the Survivor reunions, typically 25-33% of the viewers change the channel or turn off the TV once the winner is announced.)

SB -

I think you are correct, but if anyone has any doubts that Kelly isn't get hired, they obviously have been napping the past half hour. If Trump hires Jen, his explanation better be foolproof.

Interest... fading. Eyelids... closing. Recrap... unending...

I agree Webby, that is why they are doing it but why didn't they drag the competitions out for another 15-20 mins? GEEZ!

LAST EDITED ON 12-16-04 AT 10:35 PM (EST)

OMH! 45 minutes of recrap and pretend wishy washy decision making. Worst.finale.ever!

Seconded. Motion carried.

And that, Donald, is how it's done.

maybe he wants a military contract.???

Trump oasis anyone??
The most luxurious bunk houses in the Middle East! A hundred and ONE virgins in every room!!

ugh

The booted 16 come back and Regis introduces them. Ivana says that Kelly deserves to win but Ivana hated Jen. Wes says that he would hire Jen to work and for him but Kelly would be the one to run a company (in his pink tie). Andy the masterdebater picks Raj...but he would pick Jen. Chris looking daper picks Kelly because he has been there. Jon says that Jen is one of 2 peeps that made it and he wants peeps to give Jen a hand. Kevin and Sandy (I don't know WTF she is wearing but YUCK!) goes next and says Kelly and Kevin agrees. Pam looks like Anna Nicole but picks Jen because she like her business ethics.

Commercial break

what do we need a break for? the last half hour was junk...

This is weird. What, is Trump worried he will be criticized for choosing 30 something educated white males twice in a row?

Carolyn wants Kelly, Trump trusts Carolyn. It has to be Kelly.

OMG...another fvcking review...we don't give a rat's carp!

Worst reunion ever?!? This might be worse than the Rosie O'Donnell-hosted Survivor Marquesas train wreck.

Agree. MB needs to rethink the whole finale. How many times do we have to see the same clip?

This was the most boring and dragged out reunion ever. YAWN...

Everyone, please take a moment of silence and pray for Fester, whose summary this is and whose headache is currently at Ritcher 6.8.

OMG! So sorry for Fester. I would just type one recarp and copy/paste it 52 times!

Jen says that she has risen to every organization she has been in and not sure Kelly has. She is recarping what she has done and doing a very good job! She says she has shown subtle leadership. She didn't want to backstab.

Kelly says that he has experince and consistency. With his military training it has trained him in the business setting that he knows how to give and take orders. Kelly says that he is 10-4 and that Jen is 6-8 in the challenges and that Kelly has surrounded himself with winners. Jen says that the women were backstabbing and D tells her that they lost alot and that no one called her into the boardroom and that is usually the weakest.

Jen says that she is impressive in her real life . He says that he stepped up and put his neck on the line and the audience erupts.

Kelly is hired and Jen is fired! FINALLY!

When they showed Kelly quoting the Rudyard Kipling poem, If, I felt that was a punctuation that he is the winner.

Trump says it is time. The winner is: Kelly.

I agree with whoever said this was scripted. The COO clearly forgot his lines and was loathe to ad lib. They tried to make it seem like it was ad libbed from the others but we experienced survivor watchers know the truth about MB storylines and edits.

Kelly was edited to be the winner and Jen the runner up.

Trump is clearly bs-ing that he did not know who he was picking. Kelly's parents are in the audience. Are Jen's? Why did we hear that Kelly's were and not Jen's? And on and on.

Note to MB: more smoke and mirrors needed next time.

Apprentice 3 will have 16 obese contestents competing for a make over and new home renovation.

They will be dumped out of a boat in the carribean with a roll of duct tape and gerber tool and 1200 dollars in Amrican express travelors checks

then they must create a succesfule rickshaw buisiness and travel around the world looking for clues for ##### clarks illness....

Gawd, this is awful. And if we needed any more proof that the fix was in, he still picked Kelly after the incredibly serious a$$-whooping she just gave him live?

Wow.

Actions speak louder than hot air words from Jen. Kelly deserved it.

As she accurately described as she relentlessly and accurately whipped him while he sat there stammering and looking like a child whose mother just caught him masturbating, her actions spoke well of her.

LAST EDITED ON 12-16-04 AT 10:18 PM (EST)

The actions I am referring to are his performance throughout the whole series, not just tonight. For example, his record for stepping up as leader numerous times before the final four as compared to Jen's avoiding it except the mere one time she led a task.

And as she--again accurately--described, she was frequently pointed out as the team member who did the best job.

Kelly is precisely the kind of butt-kissing soulless freak that Trump clearly likes coming out of this show. He's another Bill Rancic--only with less passion.

Totally agreed.

Trump expects us to watch next season, like we really believe he's gonna choose a street smarts person over someone with more experience and/or education.

I hate to even think how crappy next season is going to be. Good gawd indeed.

Including Finale:

Kelly: 4 - 0
Jen: 1 - 1

Now, Kelly isn't quite the wunderkind everyone in the audience tried to make him out as. And Jen certainly didn't deserve to be shat upon like she was in that ridiculous audience Q&A. But, if Regis doesn't ask why the heck Jen wasn't project manager for more than one project throughout the entire series, I'm going to scream.

At this time, I would like to almost sound like I'm on Jen's side and point out that Kelly kept getting PM assignments through the awesome power of random draw.

Jen had the opportunity to step up to be the PM but sat back and let Sandy do it.

Point taken. Although I do think it was a stroke of brilliance for Kelly to put his name in contention for the Pepsi PM slot. Having been PM only a couple of challenges ago, the initial assumption was that he wouldn't be included in the drawing.

That said, the one thing I hope we don't see in Apprentice 3 is the random draw again. Totally asinine. I suppose the teams thought it would be a fair method, but it's not good business. Volunteer and show initiative for the jobs you feel you can perform the best on.

I really think that for a leader, Donald Trump cares too much about what other people think instead of what he should know. For instance, in the Stacy J incident, his mantra over and over was that her team mates didn't like her, wouldn't it have been better to stick her on the men's team and take a man and put him on the ladies team and see if her supposed problems still exist. Instead, he took the easy way out instead of do some work and forming his own opinion. Now, this may have been just some fancy footwork and him covering his own behind and putting the final decision on others, but is that a real leader.

Now, tonight we watch him allow Jen to be crucified on national television deservedly or not, wouldn't a true leader allow someone to walk away with their dignity in tact. In the final head to head, all he could really say to Jen was that people didn't really like her. Even through his doubts about Kelly, who is a great candidate but has no fight or passion, Donald Trump still refuses to go against the flow and hire someone who could light a fire in the organization.

It would seem to me that the Donald does not possess the leadership qualities he claims he seeks in others. JMHO, thanks for listening.

Exactly. Jen killed Kelly up there. Kelly looked like a stammering fool while Jen clearly owned the wannabe boardroom. This attempt to defer responsibility to his a$$-kissers cronies was about the stupidest thing I've ever seen on TV. Dude...DT...if you're going to have people read lines, for the love of all that is good in the world, please choose people who A) can read/memorize a few sentences and B) have a level of intelligence at least equal to that of a seven year old.

Unfreakingbelievable.

LAST EDITED ON 12-16-04 AT 11:41 PM (EST)

Thanks for the heads-up. I knew Kelly was in trouble and said so here early on. But I've suspected all along that Trump would hire the man-bot Kelly over Jenn M.

Only reason I'm tuned in (left coast) is to see just HOW Jenn M. kicked butt. Only interesting thing left about it. This freakin'-@ss show! Damn.

The O'Jays live? This is so bad I gotta think Burnett delegated.

Y'all can suffer. I proved Webby's point and turned off the TV about two seconds after Kelly won. I've had enough pain, torment, and assorted angst for one night, thank you. Plus I'm going to be hearing Jennifer in my sleep, which is Head-Wall-Repeat territory. Don't keep telling Donald all about your education: did you miss what happened at Final Four?

LAST EDITED ON 12-16-04 AT 10:28 PM (EST)

I am with you, 3 hours for what? Could have been done in two. The last 40 minutes before the announcement was pure fill-in.

Dull, boring. I didn;t like either of them. I would have fored them both.

Not well at that!

1)Las Vegas: A 64 story highrise condo/hotel tower.

2)New York: Trump place high rise conco/land development (13 city blocks). This will not be completed til 2010 and be 17 buildings.

Kelly picks? After the commercials!

They all but mugged Kelly to stop him picking so they could drag this out more.

Gotta admit, he makes fast decisions.

One aside, I REALLY didnt like the way jenn was totally made a non entity at and since the decision. She deserved better than that.

On the other hand, Kelly was clearly going to win. Though I admit, DT did learn a bit of showmanship. There was a split sec I thought he might say Jenn, I have to say.. your hired

I have to say Im glad he didnt. Wouldnt have mnade any business sense.

Wolfcat

New York

Because, in his own estimation, it reduces the distance he'll have to travel to kiss The Donald's a$$.

He said as much. He said the wanted to learn from him and that he couldn't do that as much in Vegas so he chooses New York.

To which characterization do you give more credence, Vols?

Too easy!

And of course the Donald preens, "I just LUVED your answer!"

The amount of ego involved is astonishing to me.

I'm thinking if that kind of kissing up is involved, I'd rather cut grass blade by blade with my teeth than be "the apprentice"!

Raj got a date the assistant! TOO FUNNY!

did the masterdebater lose again, Vol ????

The masterdebater was Andy! Raj is a loser anyways!

I think they brought Regis in for tonight because they realized they did not have enough for three hours and they needed him to help stretch it out.

Why didn't they just show more of the events and the blow by blow? Or was it that apparent that Jen did not do as well as she should --and no mention of what total $$ they raised for charity--?

LAST EDITED ON 12-16-04 AT 10:36 PM (EST)

Now they're wasting time promoting MB's The Contender. Ugh.

More recrap after just having a recrap show 2 weeks ago. Montages covering Pressure, Fights, and Raj's womanizing. Why don't they spend more time interviewing the 18 candidates? Boring!

And we'll get a promo for the Apprentice 3.

Trump does not do well with live TV. MB is definitely helping him with the boardroom editing he does.

Did I hear that correctly? They raised $21,000 for the Alzheimers? A NYC big charity event with primo players and that is all they raise? Wonder what it cost to put on the event?

Why didn't they promote the silent auction part during the game? This could be why Jen did not win--we saw several edits of the Genworth people not being happy.

personally, I am proud that I stopped watching this... Though It was like that weird human mentality of watching a car wreck!

A3 looks bad... and I mean real bad.

Was that a shark that the Apprentice just jumped?

lroy

I think the Alzheimers charity is Kelly's .. Jen's charity is something about reading and they didnt announced how much did that raise

Jenn's charity was the NBA's Read to Acheive and they raised the $21,000. Kelly's (Alheimers) charity, I thought I heard them say something like $250,000.

those figures are right Arnutz

Wolfcat

<Trump does not do well with live TV

Nor pre-recorded tv. That ad he does for a check card is pitiful. "I have to act now." Sad, really. He has a knack for business, but zero engaging personality.

Everyone is entitled to my opinion.