Keep it here until the show has aired on the West Coast (midnight Eastern time). Update, dis, b!tch, moan, rave...whatever floats your boat, but PLEASE don't go all Landru on us and post new threads in the General Discussion forum, until after midnight, 'kay? That just causes Bebo and the blues unnecessary stress.Miscellaneous Ramblings
--**all names mentioned with love and reverence and total devotion, naturally.
THey have a long intro explaining what went on last week.
You know sometimes how it is irritating to see things replayed over and over....well, Stacy being fired? is NOT one of those things.Miscellaneous Ramblings
--she's really gone!
The firing of a woman on the Apprentice is no surprise, specially since they chose a whole crew of inept women this season. The big suspense ticket is, which Man will win. We know none of the women will. So which one will?
They'll be shocked if it's anyone else.Whoa nelly! They are surprised.
Maria said she was completely blown away - you never know what's going ot happen in the boardroom.
Andy - said he felt like the kid who never gets picked in dodge ball...tomorrow they're goign to see a different side of me they haven't seen before
"Here is my secret. It's quite simple: One sees clearly only with the heart. Anything essential is invisible to the eyes."
Maria is surprised that Andy was not voted out. She said she was shocked to see him.
THe Donald - on his plane flying to Ecuador flying to Miss Universe pageant.Jennifer is exempt if they lose brak brak brak
DOnnie Deutsch.
Recruiting people going into NYPD? WTF? Advertising pitch.
"Here is my secret. It's quite simple: One sees clearly only with the heart. Anything essential is invisible to the eyes."
Recruitment campaing for NYPD. He wants them to focus on the emotional aspect. What will motivate people to serve for hte city. Final words: don't screw up
"Here is my secret. It's quite simple: One sees clearly only with the heart. Anything essential is invisible to the eyes."
Trump even has that awful gold tacky stuff on his jet. He loves to brag and remind us he is going to the Miss Universe pageant.
Andy is PM this week for Mosaic.
LAST EDITED ON 10-28-04 AT 09:04 PM (EST)Funny how the "random" system hasn't duplicated PM's yet for the guys.
You spoke too soon, Elizabeth is PM for Apex.
The guys are complaining they aren't shooting a tampon commercial.
I wish Andy would just shut Maria up.
Andy wants to go emotional route. Maria says show picture of hummer and go sex appeal route? WTF? She braks about how wondeful she is again...I'm perfect for this becuase of my advertising expertise brak brak brakAndy wants to do "when's the last time you saved a life"
"Here is my secret. It's quite simple: One sees clearly only with the heart. Anything essential is invisible to the eyes."
Maria's lost her effing mind...sex when trying to sell joining the force.I think andy's doing pretty good so far...I even liked the way he checked Kelly about the still shots. He seems to be on top of everything so far.
Not sure what's going on with Apex but listening to elizabeth ans I can see how one would be led to ask if they can fire her.
Maria's lost her effing mind...sex when trying to sell joining the force. -CantStandToLookIf they had filmed a bunch of "Miss Universe" types wrapping their legs around cops, flirting with them, asking for their phone #'s, the NYPD would be flooded with applications.
that's why she knows about the humming sex I guess ...
;)
says she has to prove herself because DT thought she was a crappy leader beforeElizabeth didn't want a miltiary theme...wanted more emotional
she likes the "times are changing" aspect.
Kevin says Elizabeth is talkin in circles...
Raj doesn't understand why she's getting weird about not wanting to go the miltiary aspect
Elizabeth said she had to go with the team - they all wanted to go that route.
Elizabeth said something about filming before they are filming or something equally nonsensical.
Raj getting on ELizabeth's nerves
"Here is my secret. It's quite simple: One sees clearly only with the heart. Anything essential is invisible to the eyes."
Raj saying "I can run toward the compound 'ay-ay-ay-ay-ay-ay-ay'"Hilarious!
Best line so far: "This ain't a friggin' tampon commercial." - Chris
Using a helicopter in some way.Wes thinks the other team is way ahead of the game becuase they're already shooting
Andy said something about having specific shots and the weather isn't cooperating (something like that...dd is whining at me)
"Here is my secret. It's quite simple: One sees clearly only with the heart. Anything essential is invisible to the eyes."
It is going to rain so Andy is rushed.
Trump at the Miss Universe show was sickening. I have no idea what kind of strange dance he was trying to do while sitting there. At least Bill gets to kiss the girls...
Donald Trump should never dance...EVER.that wasn't even a competent version of the white mans' overbite.
and if Elizbeth would just shut up...I'd be happy..can you say nervous breakdown part deux
How long does it take Chris to tuck his shirt in? And how itchy was Ivana's nose?
SHe says she doesn't like what the creative team came up with at all and she can't get behind it. Kevin said he'd help her think of something.They thought of something non-military. She said she'll have some enemies in teh morning
"Here is my secret. It's quite simple: One sees clearly only with the heart. Anything essential is invisible to the eyes."
Did Ivana just call Elizbeth Mr. Kerry??
flip flop flip flop
More sex... straddling a bike with their shirts off?
Mutiny? Are they going to take leadership away from Elisabeth?
Holy smokes did he ever lay into her. Sad to say I have to agree with everything he said. She just doesn't get it and it would be really interesting to see what Donald would have to say about a team mutiny.For some reason though, I think it still comes back to Mosaic with Maria getting the "what is wrong with you speech"
I have no reason for thinking this, but it's just what I feel.
I just want Maria fired. So I hope that team loses.
The star of the show was on the losing team.I am very impressed by the way Kevin tried to help Elizabeth "fix" the campaign and even after she got pressured by the other team members to dump her and Kevin's idea.
Kevin understandingly was PO'd but still tried to straighten out Elizabeth (and in private which I thought showed a lot of class). He was the only one that tried to provide a constructive dialog.
I almost would have canned raj...not for the idea...but for his third grade behavior denagrading Elizabeth
Just my $.02
Kevin likes their new idea.Elizabeth puts up her new idea to the team.
Ivana said Elizabeth is just flip-flopping. Elizabeth said she was forced to go another direction..back to the drawing board again. Dude...you're PM - it's YOUR job to get this together.
Mosaic is working with their music...sounds pretty cool.
Maria still brakking about sex appeal. They're arguing over sex appeal. Kelly agrees with Maria...need to have more sex appeal.
"Here is my secret. It's quite simple: One sees clearly only with the heart. Anything essential is invisible to the eyes."
some people obviously didn't listen to Deutch AT ALL...they're still harping on sex appeal. The guy said it has to touch peoples heart...not that other part of their anatomy
Elizabeth is totally losing it...no way Apex wins tonight. She's changing the plan again.
That's right , you're fired..get out already
BIG props to Kevin... He's calling Elizabeth out! Wow if someone else takes over, this is gonna be good!
Elizabeth has changed her mind again. Kevin says he's confused. Kevin says "I wish you would make a decision". Kevin says they are five hours away from presentation time. He saiys "I think our PM sucks. flat out".They said they need to fire her. Kevin is trying to talk to Elizabeth - trying to tell her to get it together. He says "you've got a coup in there you have no control of them". Ugh ELizabeth SUCKS SUCKS!!!!
Kevin is telling her what to do...get it together. Kevin is so cool to even try to help her. Obviously he wants to win so they don't go to the boardroom, but he did everything humanly possible to get this task together and to help ELizabeth. DId I mention how much she SUCKS. SHe cannot make a decision to save her life.
"Here is my secret. It's quite simple: One sees clearly only with the heart. Anything essential is invisible to the eyes."
she so should have been gone several tasks ago..specifically when they fired staciej. It's just amazing how some of the people that suck week in and week out are still here..(can anyone say maria). She's so stuck on sex appeal and I'm glad George was there to hear er jabbing at andy about the sex appeal issue.I think that comes back to haunt her in the boardroom.
That's right , you're fired..get out already
Make a freakin' decision....ha ha!!!!
One team wants to get rid of Elisabeth and the other team wants to get rid of Andy. Both teams would probably be content to lose to boot their PM. Kelly wants to take over and do the presentation.
yet another confessional from Carolyn..elizabeth is such toast. if not this week as soon as they are able to put a size 11 boot in her #####.
Kelly said he doesn't want Andy pitching hte idea - he thinks it will not be good for them.Andy says he wants to pitch. Kelly says he wants to pitch. Andy said he's going to include Kelly. He's not going to just hand it over to him - let him take over - he's not just some kid.
"Here is my secret. It's quite simple: One sees clearly only with the heart. Anything essential is invisible to the eyes."
Andy's commericial nearly made me cry..if they dont win...I just can't imagine them not winning.
SHe said the other 5 are on one side and she's on the other. Uh-oh! Carolyn is there...saying she's unable to lead her team.Elizabeth has her team in complete chaos.
"Here is my secret. It's quite simple: One sees clearly only with the heart. Anything essential is invisible to the eyes."
Raj looks so serious and worried in the presentation.
Deutch patches the call through to DT to hear their pitches.Apex is up. Their campaign looks weak (no really?). It's a mish mosh of stuff
Mosaic. Andy sounds good pitching. Kelly sounds good pitching. "When was the last time" theme seems to be going over well with the ad peeps.
When was the last time you fought terrorism? WHen was the last time you made your family proud?
Nice music in the background. It looks about a thousand times better than the crap Apex put together.
They said Apex would turn civilians off.
"Here is my secret. It's quite simple: One sees clearly only with the heart. Anything essential is invisible to the eyes."
Mosaic wins by a landslide.
"Here is my secret. It's quite simple: One sees clearly only with the heart. Anything essential is invisible to the eyes."
something about doing something great for NY and getting something in return?
"Here is my secret. It's quite simple: One sees clearly only with the heart. Anything essential is invisible to the eyes."
no update...just wanted to *wave* hello PM
I hate seeing Maria look that happy.
Maria is an idiot! Her days are numbered!
No thanks to Maria and her "you gotta put more sex in it"Andy listened to the instructions they were given and followed them. He pulled the heartstrings and I have to say I was moved by their ad.
Elizabeth is toast...I dont think it will even be close..could the Donald lay into her??
Right on. I couldn't agree more.
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I think Elizabeth is toast! She was a horrible leader twice now!
I'm just a squirrel trying to get a nut.
Elizabeth is going to be reemed. I would say the fact that her idea was nixed by everyone else in favor of military (which obviously was NOT pulling at the heart strings and NOT wanted) was a good thing for Elizabeth, BUT she just is completely unable to lead and there is just no way I can imagine a scenario where she won't be going home tonight.
"Here is my secret. It's quite simple: One sees clearly only with the heart. Anything essential is invisible to the eyes."
Donald doesn't want to waste time. He fires Elizabeth without even letting her bring 2 people in.
FOr the boardroom. Jen said "I head you coaching her...you're not on our team..it's not fair".Elizabeth and Raj are talking. Raj says he'll be under fire for having the military idea. He says if everyone thought it was such a bad idea, they wouldn't have gone with it.
ELizabeth said ultimately DT will make the decision. She is SOOOOO annoying...almost as annoying as Maria's constant brakking about how fabulous she is at everything (and then royally sucking at everything she's supposedly good at).
"Here is my secret. It's quite simple: One sees clearly only with the heart. Anything essential is invisible to the eyes."
Wes told Elisabeth to curse alot?
Donald knows Raj pushed the military idea.
LAST EDITED ON 10-28-04 AT 09:52 PM (EST)Yeah baby! Fire it up! I just wish Maria was in there.
DT: Elizabeth...what went wrong?
Elizabeth: we didn't have a good idea before it was time to start shooting. my definition is someone who stands by their convictions (channeling Bush, are we?)
DT: I'd like to see the ad - show the ad
Carolyn: that's pretty bad
DT: based on that I feel like I live in a police state - wives will not want their husbands to join - unless they have a bad relationship with their husband
DT: wasn't it Raj who wanted the military idea
Jen: Raj did a good job
CHris: this was the only direction we had and it's not Raj's fault for going 100% with the one idea we had
Ivana - has to commend Raj for taking a position
DT: is she weak or innefective or both?
Ivana: both
Jen: Elizabeth was weak, ineffective, and indecisive
Kevin: talking about when they stayed up all night making plans for a new idea - he liked their idea , she liked their idea then the next morning she backed down - said the team wasn't behind it
DT: you let your team change your mind for you? What the hell's missing with you ELizabeth?
Elizabeth picks Raj & Chris
WHoa! Board room not necessary. You're fired! I don't want to waste time. GO ahead!
"Here is my secret. It's quite simple: One sees clearly only with the heart. Anything essential is invisible to the eyes."
And they didn't even have to go back in to the boardroom!YIKES!
"Here is my secret. It's quite simple: One sees clearly only with the heart. Anything essential is invisible to the eyes."
Woo Hoo!! That was exciting! So that's what the previews meant by saying "another boardroom first".
Did that ever happen last year?
Too easy!!!
You know, at the point that Trump says "What the hell's missing with you?" I would have said "I don't need this sh!t. Go Cheney yourself." Yeah, Elizabeth was pretty incompetent, but hw about showing her a little human decency even if you can't muster respect?!
Because she set herself up for this when she signed on for the reality tv show gig. There is no human decency in this format. It's what makes it so popular.Miscellaneous Ramblings
--she was unbelievably bad.
Her eyes nearly popped out of her head. That was hysterical. She was tee-totally, 100% clueless.Miscellaneous Ramblings
--absofreakinglutely the worst PM thus far
Of the females, who will make it to the final 4. I just don't see it.
Jen is good. She's smart and she's decisive and she was a good leader. The rest of the gals SUCK big time.
"Here is my secret. It's quite simple: One sees clearly only with the heart. Anything essential is invisible to the eyes."
As is someone? (didn't hear/see) Brad and Jen?Stacie: Ivana should've been fired instead of me
"Here is my secret. It's quite simple: One sees clearly only with the heart. Anything essential is invisible to the eyes."
and Rob.
>Stacie: Ivana should've been fired instead of meNot quite. Maria should have been fired instead of you. If you can't see that, maybe you deserved to be fired.
Guess who's back. Back again
yes I'm slim Stacie, yes I'm really shady...
sing it with me...
Wow, Elizabeth was another Queen of Denial just like Stacy R., they must've been hanging around together way too much!
It's not just Stacie coming back. Rob, Bradford, and Jen C. will be back too. I can't wait... the confrontations are going to be awesome! LOL
The Mosaic ad was fantastic, ready for the public the way it was. Andy and Kelly both presented wonderfully. How unusual it was to see a team complete a task so well -- this is a real feather in Andy's cap!.... Ummm, just what did Jen M & Ivana do at all during this task? They apparently did not put ANY ideas on the table at all, did not seem to be active during the filming... just what did they DO? How did Elizabeth see fit to (try) to take Raj and Chris into the boardroom when the women seemed to have made even LESS of a contribution?
It doesn't really matter who Elizabeth tried to take into the boardroom, because her performance on this task calls her judgment into serious question.She has to be a Kerry voter, with the way she flip-flops.
Don't you just love how IVANA called Elizabeth indecisive? LOL
>Don't you just love how IVANA
>called Elizabeth indecisive? LOL
>And you know that Stacie J is going to level Ivana next week. I can't wait!!
Now I'm saying that Elizabeth should not have been the one to take the long walk to the yellow taxi cab... She has been living on borrowed time since what? Episode 2 when Stacie J. got roasted when it should have been Elizabeth..Uncle Donald's lesson this week should have been, "Believe in Yourself".... Andy did, Elizabeth didn't.
Ta ta, Elizabeth.
It's very untypical of Jenn to not do anything at all. Probably they just edit out the part where Jen was doing something constructive.I see the logic for Elizabeth for taking Raj and Chris. Raj is the one who insisted on the military idea, while Chris is the one who came up with the slogan about being the front line (what is it again? Is it "Being on the front line from the other side of the world" or something?)
I actually thought Apex's tag line was pretty good - it was evocative and if it was handled in the right way, it had potential to really hit people's emotions. With the right music and some softer copy - and with "hero" type shots instead of gestapo raids, it could have worked and been at least competitive. Elizabeth's instincts about the military angle was right. That pulsing music and the stark graphics in the TV ad were all wrong. And that was the worst looking print mock-up I have ever seen. The colors were awful - it was so busy you couldn't even read the copy. And Raj and Chris were like caricatures of human beings tonight - it's too bad she's so freakin wimpy she can't control her team at all.Mosaic's finished piece came together really well. (much better than I thought they would) Thematically it moved really well between the print and the television ads. Seamless. Loved how they put a face to the uniform and had a clear, concise, powerful message. I was pleasantly surprised.
I agree. They could have played up HERO and not gone for WE WILL KILL PEOPLE and been much more effective. I never did really get what Elizabeth was trying to seel them other than not military, and frankly, I don't think it would have mattered because Mosaic's was that good. Andy totally smoked them. There was no need for sex in that ad and I'm glad that his team won and he stood his ground.Finally a project that seemed to be complete and thought-out. I do believe that might be a first for this season. Who would have thought it would come from Andy?
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--I loathe Chris.
I don't think Maria and Kelly were entirely off base. I don't feel like they wanted to sell sex as they much as they wanted to sex up the ads. That wouldn't work in the concept that Andy had - it would have been totally out of place. But, if they had gone a different, edgier route early on - I don't think it would have been a horrible direction to go off in. They are trying to appeal to young men primarily. The easiest way to do that is with the sexier aspects of police work - guns, the cars, the power, etc. I don't think anyone wanted to see shirtless guys on motorcycles - but an urban-themed recruiting message would not have been a total disaster.As powerful as Andy's concept ended up being - it sounded stodgey and like it would appeal to people like - well, like you and me, kim. In other words, not their target market. I would have had the same concerns early on as they had - but, Andy put together a great cohesive package.
And I agree - I don't think Elizabeth had a clue about what she wanted other than that it wasn't what she had. It's a shame - that tag line could have worked.
LAST EDITED ON 10-29-04 AT 02:05 PM (EST)<<>I don't think Maria and Kelly
>were entirely off base. I
>don't feel like they wanted
>to sell sex as they
>much as they wanted to
>sex up the ads. That
>wouldn't work in the concept
>that Andy had - it
>would have been totally out
>of place. But, if they
>had gone a different, edgier
>route early on - I
>don't think it would have
>been a horrible direction to
>go off in. They are
>trying to appeal to young
>men primarily. The easiest way
>to do that is with
>the sexier aspects of police
>work - guns, the cars,
>the power, etc. I don't
>think anyone wanted to see
>shirtless guys on motorcycles -
>but an urban-themed recruiting message
>would not have been a
>total disaster. >>Agreed, Lisa.
I think Maria should not have said "We need more sex" since I thought she meant that they should make the ad a little cooler (for lack of better word). That doesn't mean "cops straddling their bikes" but using a more hip, edgier, sexier campaign to recruit the 18-30 year-olds. But any time Maria says ANYTHING, it basically sounds like "I need more sex."
Also, I must admit, as a visitor to NYC, I have seen some REALLY hot cops, both male and female. I've stayed in the Chelsea and a precinct is right around the corner. My friend and I would just plant ourselves across the street and drool.
But any time Maria says ANYTHING, it basically sounds like "I need more sex."And that's a bad thing?
The Evolution Continues...
LAST EDITED ON 10-29-04 AT 09:47 PM (EST)>But any time Maria says
>ANYTHING, it basically sounds like
>"I need more sex."
>
>And that's a bad thing?hehe, are you volunteering yourself to help Maria out with her problem?
LAST EDITED ON 10-30-04 AT 01:17 AM (EST)>But any time Maria says
>ANYTHING, it basically sounds like
>"I need more sex."
>
>And that's a bad thing?
>not a bad thing at all for that line, for 70% of the people in the world. but a horror if your counterpart is maria
<<while Chris is the
>one who came up with
>the slogan about being the
>front line (what is it
>again? Is it "Being
>on the front line from
>the other side of the
>world" or something?) >>That tag line made ZERO sense to me. What were they trying to say? That you can be a NYC cop while living in the Himalayas?
They're referring to the war on terrorism not only being fought in the Afganistan and the Middle East.
The Evolution Continues...
agreed,trump thought so (new york times square)
but the police officer before the cut of jumpingin the water
what did he say?
when was the last time ...????>The Mosaic ad was fantastic, ready
>for the public the way
>it was. Andy and Kelly
>both presented wonderfully. How unusual
>it was to see a
>team complete a task so
>well -- this is a
>real feather in Andy's cap!
>
>
>.... Ummm, just what did Jen
>M & Ivana do at
>all during this task? They
>apparently did not put ANY
>ideas on the table at
>all, did not seem to
>be active during the filming...
>just what did they DO?
>How did Elizabeth see fit
>to (try) to take Raj
>and Chris into the boardroom
>when the women seemed to
>have made even LESS of
>a contribution?