We know Andy and Elizabeth are the respective PM's this week. Given that Andy has survived three boardrooms (the general gold stardard for firing) and Elizabeth two (the next time she's there should be her last), it sure seems likely that whichever one leads their team to defeat will be headed home.

So which will it be? The preview suggests open revolt against Elizabeth and paints Andy as the kid who fights back. I suppose the implication is that Andy somehow prevails, but given how misleading most of the previews are I wonder.

The other clue we have is the Donald slam quote of the week. This time it's "what the hell is missing with you". Doesn't really sound like something he would say to one of the women. In my opinion The Donald tends to spare his harshest critiques for the men, (while generally favoring them over the women when he goes about firing them) case in point the harshest comment thus far have been aim towards Bradford (you're stupid) and last weeks harsh comment was aimed squarely at golden boy Kelly (I hate people who exagerate). So the $50 the question become does who is the target of this weeks comment?

It certainly could be Andy, espectially if he fails here. Although I would tend to think he would just fire him and not go to the trouble of slaming him more. I dont necessarily see who else it might be in the board room from Mosaic who might elicit that response. On Apex there is certainly another possibility in Raj, The Donald has already taken several opportunities to take verbal jabs at him (dress, womanizing, etc.) and if he makes it to the boardroom I expect even more. The comment could go towards either Kevin or Chris as well, but since both have played rather "under the radar" for most tasks it would likely be something specifically done on this task that causes it.

At this point I guess I would lean toward Raj getting slammed and Elizabeth being fired, but what I think isnt really all that important... its what you think, so spill it!

-ICB

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It could very well be Wes. Donald last week told him that he was a lousy leader.

I would guess neither Andy nor Elizabeth. Generally the people who get fired are not the focus of the promos. My guess is that Andy wins and Apex loses (b/c if Mosaic loses, Andy is the prime target). My guess would be Chris, Ivana or Elizabeth gest fired. (Jen M is exempt, Kevin seems too good and DT needs Raj for entertainment value.) Hopefully Chris, b/c I can't stand him!

Looking at the negative editing, I'm leaning toward a Chris or Wes boot this week.

They're not the only ones with a negative edit (far from it!), but from a storytelling standpoint, these two can be let go in the near future.

Why not the PMs? I think the "hit us over the head", completely non-subtle preview is misdirection. We know Elizabeth and Andy won't be around at the end, given the editing of their characters. But it's not unusual for the PM to get canned, so if it were one of those two, I think the preview wouldn't have made it so obvious that they were leading.

I don't think it's Maria, even though her streetwalking outfit and negative confessional from Carolyn spell firing for her at some point in this game. That footage had to be shown in that episode, since that was the episode in which she was immune, because it added to the storyline. It provided the reason why Maria will eventually be fired.

I don't think it's Raj, because I think they would have made a bigger deal about Raj not being in the BR in the last episode if he were that close to leaving. The BRs are much longer than we see, and DT did comment negatively on Raj's performance during that task. But since we were not shown DT forcing John to justify Raj not going to the BR, I think it means Raj has some more story to tell. But with the boxer short jog and the problems last week, we've been shown that Raj is just a DAW waiting to be snuffed.

Wes and Chris have both had negative edits that have not been necessary for the storyline, especially Chris. Why show him commenting on his Rolex? And why show him complaining he hates customers during the restaurant challenge? We keep seeing him in complaint mode, like he's too good to dig into these silly tasks. DT will chop him down for that attitude.

Please abide in my words, for my references speak of the truth that is within me.

>Looking at the negative editing, I'm leaning toward a Chris
>or Wes boot this week.

I can not see a logical scenario where Andy looses, as the PM, and isn't fired, especially this week given he has been in the board room the past two weeks and has been hanging on by a thread since week 1. The PM is always blamed even if they are not fired, and Andy is in desparate need of a success which a loss as the leader even if it was close, would not provide.

I can see a scenario where Elizabeth isn't fired although I think that is also unlikely given her tenuous performance thus far. If someone (like Chris) completely screws up I guess it's possible that that might happen, but given the limited info we have and the implication that Apex is on the verge of revolt I have a hard time buying Elizabeth would not be the one fired after her second loosing PM role (especially to someone who had already won as PM before ie Chris, Raj, and Jenifer). Which brings up another question has anyone ever lost as the PM twice and survived? I dont recall anyone doing it last season their second PM loss was generally the episode they were fired in.

Sometimes things just aren't hidden that well and while I agree this week seems a bit too obvious... sometimes it really is that simple.

-ICB

PS: I agree that Raj isnt a firee candidate this week (although I still think he's likely to get the verbal barb)... which of course means he's toast

Which brings up another question has anyone ever lost as the PM twice and survived?

Yes Kwame lost twice (Planet Hollywood, and then Art Gallery), and he still made it to the finals to compete against Bill.

>Yes Kwame lost twice (Planet Hollywood, and then Art Gallery),
>and he still made it to the finals to compete against Bill.

I knew Kwame, and Elizabeth is no Kwame

-ICB

"what the hell is missing with you".

I bet he says that to Ivana...

I think the preview leads us to thinking one of those PMs are fired... it was very weird though, they have never told us in advance who the PMs were.

I really wonder why Elizabeth is PM again? She lost in her previous attempt at PM... unless they're still picking names from a hat? Apex has 4 winning previous PMs: Chris, Kevin, Jenn & Raj, why not stick with a winning formula? Then there is Ivana the other one with a previous loss.

Andy makes sense as PM, he hasn't done it before. Mosaic is comparatively the weaker team: Andy & Sandy - never PM before, Wes - lost, Kelly & Maria - won. Of course Maria has a minor in home economics, sooooo unfair advantage? (ha ha!)

Also... Wes is REALLY stupid, I just realized he sent THREE previously winning PMs to the other side!!! What an idiot!