the black widows true colors came out last night,she has got to go???

Danielle seems as
>though she has anger issues
>or something like that.....Some serious
>set of issues.

I'm pretty sure they all have "issues" of some sort.

But I really felt bad for Danielle when she was crying. She was hurt. It remains to be seen if she would have done the same to Erika...but I still feel bad when I see ppl hurt.....well...maybe not IVETTE and Maggie...and Mike...and...... but I did feel bad about Danielle.

I completely disagree. Forgive me for being so blunt but Erika is stupid. She is totally being played by Boogie. She was way better off throwing in her lot with Danielle than Mike and Will. Her only chance now is to team up with Janelle, but I'm sure she'll continue to do whatever Mike and Will advise her to do.

With the exception of Danielle and Janelle everyone has allowed themselves to be played by Chill Town. It's amazing how Erika just accepted Will's scenario as if she is incapable of understanding that he's playing the game too. She really thinks Will's advising her on how to win the game. Stupid.

She'll see the light when her butt gets booted in the next week or two and she watches of the tape of Boogie's showmance antics. The girl is being played for a fool.

I agree with eveyrhting you said up until "She'll see the light when her butt gets booted in the next week or two and she watches of the tape of Boogie's showmance antics" She's a creep magnet....and there's another one waiting for her around the corner...as soon as she gets out I'm sure.

But yes......she is stupid...dumb as toast..

I just hate hearing Danielle say, "Oh yeah they've got something coming, they'd better watch out". And then her plan fails. She's full of so much talk but she hasn't really done anything super-spectacular this season yet.

Has anyone noticed how CT went from wanting to get rid of "weak" players so that the "real" players can play to wanting to get rid of the "strong" and "threats" in favor of keeping "weaker" players....lol.

Everybody in the house has been a victim of CT especially Janelle.

CT (as well as others) initially wanted to get rid of the "floating" players so the "real" players, the proactive HGs, could play. Now they want to get rid of the "treats" (the ones who may garnish the most votes from the jury) in favor of HGs who would be a good goats to sit next to in the Finals.

"Strong" and "weak" players are relative and are a matter of opinion. They wanted Danielle out for the same reason they wanted George out...because they realized if either sat next to Mike or Will in the finals, CT would not feel confident about the final vote.

They didn't vote out George because he is a "strong" player no more than keeping Janelle because she is a "weak" player. They are at the stage of the game where they need to consider how the jurors may vote and eliminate HGs accordingly.

They voted out CG because the alternative was Boogie! They have played everyone in the house and their...sorry...Will's strategy has been changing to fit the situation as it evolved. At first, with S6 in power, the floaters made believable targets to the narrow "us-against-the-world" thinking of last season's alliance.

They reached a point, after Howie's exit, where everyone was a floater and CT was the only life-preserver left! Even Janelle was now a floater, having to rely on either CG (yeah right!) or Will ("I know how to win") for help. Since CT now had the numbers to decide every vote, it was time to get rid of the one they didn't like: James, who had the "wool pulled over his eyes"! That showed Danielle to "do not assume" so she had to go! Janelle and Erika should see the first flickers of light soon and should go soon.

You're right about the alternate being Boogie. But my point was that CT did NOT orchestrate Danielle and George's boot because they were "strong" players. Everyone in the jury will view CT as the hitmen they were and CT doesn't want anyone that the jury dislikes less then them. That's why Danielle and George had to go in their scheme regardless of who was sitting next to them on the nomination block.

I don't see how the BB6 alliance's thinking was "narrow" when they knew the entire House was against them. The very first DR confessions during the first episode were several HGs targeting them since they came in with four. It was very obvious to everyone that they were the immediate targets. You can't get more broad them that.

I said it was narrow thinking because they couldn't see pass their predicament. Sure it was a bad situation at the start but their actions made it worse. They had the beginning of an idea when individually they got parachutes to help them. Janie got Marcellas, Howie sort of had CG and James made a deal with Danielle and Diane. The problem was that it served to fracture their own bond instead of strengthening it. They could've been 8 strong with each helper believing they were F2 with their S6 "sponsor". Instead it made them turn on each other. Stupid.

Look at Will's play: He also had a huge target. He first shows that he doesn't care about being booted thus making his boot less urgent. He then tells everyone he hates them all (THE best line of the season!) and then he suggests to S6 that floaters are good targets. The first 3 boots were very independant players: Allison, Jase and Nakomis (tough players to get under Will's will!). Danielle was next in line but she showed she didn't want to float anymore and pledged allegiance to the LOD, delivering James as a gift. Seeing that, Will decided she should stay and they gave her POV. Diane had no chance to survive that turn of events especially when Erika showed she liked to play footsie with a member of CT!

The game was almost won already even if S6 had been HOH the whole time! The elation they showed after each HOH win showed their narrow vision of the game. From that point, CT's strategy of eliminating floaters became one of making floaters out of everyone. Janelle, to her credit, was the toughest to isolate. Once she showed she could play with CT by nominating Marjeallous, they forced her to float on her own by getting rid of "Big BUoy(!)" Howie. Without that buoy, Janelle drifted into the arms of Will. From that point everyone was an honorary member of CT so the order of elimination didn't really matter.

I compare Will's way of tackling the game to Kaysar's alliance and I think you will agree the S6 playbook was much thinner.

>They could've been 8 strong with each helper believing they were F2 with their S6 "sponsor". Instead it made them turn on each other.

Interesting theory, but no way it would have worked. As pathetically stupid these "all-stars" have been, not even they would not be dumb enough to try to get into an alliance of four and potentially be the fifth or sixth wheel. If anyone's strategy was to cling onto an existing alliance, it would make more sense to hook up with an alliance of two, i.e. CT, and be the third wheel.

Not to discount Will's smart manipulative play, but he caught a min-break by the BB6 four being an immediate target. Also being the ONLY previous winner worked to his advantage. You didn't have the scenerio with Survivor All-Stars with 4 or 5 previous champions starting the season where they were the immediate targets just as the BB6 alliance was here.

As far as the narrow-minded elation with the HOH celebrations, it was more of "he" then "they". Kaysar and James never went off and rubbed it in anyone else's face. Howie definitely was guilty of that, but we all know he's a simple man with a simple mind, so you'll never get an arguement from anyone by accusing Howie of being narrow-minded. Janelle was just reacting to Howie's narrow-minded ways. And since she won most of the challenges, why shouldn't she be happy?

LAST EDITED ON 09-02-06 AT 07:34 PM (EST)

>>They could've been 8 strong with each helper believing they were F2 with their S6 "sponsor". Instead it made them turn on each other.

>Interesting theory, but no way it
>would have worked. As
>pathetically stupid these "all-stars" have
>been, not even they would
>not be dumb enough to
>try to get into an
>alliance of four and potentially
>be the fifth or sixth
>wheel.

I'd agree with you except the reason it didn't work was because of the S6 players, James primarily, not the floaters. Marjealous, Diane and Danielle had already joined a member of S6 and George would've been thrilled to be invited in! If James had come clean with the S6 and been a little deceitful with Danielle and Diane instead, if Kaysar had found a way to include the Marjealous-Janelle and Howie-George friendships into their strategy, who knows what would've happened. A lot of ifs maybe but it couldn't have been worse than it actually was.

>Not to discount Will's smart manipulative
>play, but he caught a
>mini-break by the BB6 four
>being an immediate target.

Maybe, but S6 were the only players with guns for the first 4 weeks! They were only targets of spiteful remarks, not of elimination. They wasted their opportunities.

>As far as the narrow-minded elation
>with the HOH celebrations...

That was just the exhibition of their narrow-minded gameplan. What I originally refered to as their narrow "Us-against-the-world" thinking was about the only play in their game book: "Win HOH". That were all guilty of that. Like you wrote in another thread, once you've won, you need to know what to do with the advantage that winning gives you. Twice in 4 weeks, S6 pulled Colbys, eliminating the wrong players, Nakomis and Diane instead of CT. Was Howie the braintrust?

>Like you wrote in another
>thread, once you've won, you
>need to know what to
>do with the advantage that
>winning gives you. Twice in
>4 weeks, S6 pulled
>Colbys, eliminating the wrong players,
>Nakomis and Diane instead of
>CT. Was Howie the braintrust?
>

Can't argue with you on that point. They did NOT take advantage of the HOH wins when they had the opportunity. Even though James did nominate Will, it was more as a pawn to eliminate a "floater" more than anything else. Kaysar, as popular as he is, is a horrible game player and blew his opportunity. Janelle committed a Reality Show deadly sin by thinking there was time later to deal with the real threats of the game. You need to knock them out when you can. And Howie never got the opportunity to nominate; he was just being carried along this season.

Like the "Colby" reference! LOL

>Ha! I love this show this
>year, because all the people
>I don't like are being
>booted......
>Anyway.....I find it ironic how Danielle
>is all "talk" and can't
>seem to carry her sorry-self
>through with her silly-ends..... LMAO!
>Put plainly, she has created
>her pathetic downfall. Ohh, doesn't
>that stink?
>I got such a sense of
>glee, when Erika- Danielle's so
>called biggest ally....put the Widow
>in her place, and ripped
>the rug from under her
>feet. (Erika definitely did the
>right thing.) Hey, did anyone
>see last night when that
>Crazy-woman was freaking out? I
>think it was definitely more
>than the alcohol!.........Maybe she'll haul-off
>and hit someone?...Danielle seems as
>though she has anger issues
>or something like that.....Some serious
>set of issues.

Am I the only one who is horrified at the way erica & janelle are letting their hormones rule their heads! Boogie is the right nick-name for Mike, he is a SNOT!, game or no game he is someone I would warn anyone to stay away from, he can play the game but he needs to be ruthless and get into erica with lies and moves. Doc doesn't seem to irritate as much, maybe because he is intelligent and Mike is an imbecile. If Janell doesn't get into the final 2, it will be because of her "hots" for the doc.