Note: I personally like your suggestion on the voting mehtod and would love to see it implemneted.I kind of like how (and this isn't just here, but with DWTS as well among many other shows) the way decisions are made on who stays and goes is only flawed when a person's favorite contestant is sent home. Seriously, there wasn't complaining about the voting system when a superior Bucky was eliminated over certain remaining contestants (best example this season behind Chris). Perhaps the greatest upset ever (Constantine home over Scott) didn't show the system to be flawed, nor did Latoya home over Jasmine. But now that it's Chris? Oh noes, let's look at the flaws.
As it is with all things in life, injustices seem to only exist when they affect either you (the general you, not the OP) or people around you.
"Seriously, there wasn't complaining about the voting system when a superior Bucky was eliminated over certain remaining contestants"*raises hand*
ooooh! I complained.
<--- loves Fishercat's use of the word "superior" in that sentence.
Fcat I think there was an uproar about LaToya and others...I just think that Chris is the best one that "this injustice" has happened to....and of course the most recent.and glowie I immediately said GLOWIE COMPLAINED ABOUT BUCKY being booted...
I don't think they will ever change the way they vote bc people won't continually vote for the worst (not w/staning VFTW) It just does not have the same psychological feel and AI producers want to be able to say (as boner has pointed out already today) 446 million people voted for "their American Idol" It wouldn't be the same the other way around and I really don't think they want to "damage" the contestants that way...YOU'RE A LOOOO-ZER now GO (and a trap door opens up underneath them)
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Although I would have loved to see Pickler go out that way (sorry Catty)
There is a difference between complaining that Bucky was voted out over Pickler and Ace and the voting system. There, of course, was complaining about pretty much every non Bobby Bennett boot, but just not about the voting system. Hell, people should complain about Bucky getting booted. I would have been fine with a Top 6, maybe even Top 5 finish for him.I figure that's the reason they won't change it, but I think it's more logical as you aren't voting someone as the American Idol until the last week. Kind of like how Survivor does it.
* clap clap clap ** nod nod nod *
What FisherCat said.
geekboy
I also agree that the current American Idol voting system is NOT working.And for those who mentioned other contestants that were voted off prematurely, you make a good point. But I think there is such an uproar about Chris getting booted last night, because Chris is one of the most consistently great performers on Idol. He should not have left the show last night.
Todd Burton
Is this taken from someplace else? It certainly has the feel of it. Anyway…After last night's travesty
Its a travesty, a sham, and a mockery. Its a traveshamockery!
And Ryan Seacrest (whom we can't help but like)
We?
The voting has now resorted to (after last night there is no doubt this is happening) America frantically supporting the person they don't want to see booted off the show.... yet….Everyone "knew" Chris would go to the finals, so they voted for the person they wanted to keep in the running ALONG WITH Chris.
If that truly is the case, and not a function of it being more people voting for other contestants because they liked them better than Chris, then the people voting ARE stupid.
The approach obviously backfired, but the problem is not that viewers are dimwits, but rather that the whole stability of the show is beginning to crumble.
How so? It’s not like anyone doesn’t know the drill. Vote for who you want to stay. Don’t vote and they might not stay.
By far the worst problem with the show is the voting method.
I’ll agree with that.
The most reliable method for determining who are the most wanted contestants on the show would be for the viewers to vote for the contestant they want to go home each week.
Uhm, no.
Using this method, the least effective contestant is eliminated each week, until the truly best performers (at least in America's opinion) are left.
Really, no.
This voting method WILL work, because viewers would be choosing the ONE person they want to leave the show.
It won’t work, because while some viewers will be voting for the one person they want to leave the show, other viewers will be voting for all the people they want to leave the show while still others will be voting for the people they feel are the biggest threat to the person they want to win.
Take Survivor. The person voted off each week isn’t necessarily the person who is the worst person to have around. The person voted off is usually the person who poses the biggest threat. Everyone wants to take the worst person to have around with them to the final.
The only real voting process change that would matter is going with one person, one vote. If you want to vote, you first have to register (for free) at the official site. Give everyone who registers an official code number and have them enter the code number before voting. This cuts down on the use of mass dialers to register tons of votes from the same person. To prevent people from simply registering a ton of IDs, install number recognition software on the phone lines to make it so that you can’t vote from the same phone more than once every fifteen minutes (thus allowing families with more than one person watching the show to vote).
It is not difficult to predict the beginning of next week's show, when Ryan Seacrest will acknowledge the tragedy of Chris leaving the show and then blame the audience for not voting for him.
That’s a safe bet.
How many times does FOX expect viewers to buy that worn-out argument?
It might be worn-out, but that doesn’t make it any less true. Chris is gone not because of 19 Entertainment hi-jinks, not because of rigged voting or manipulation of votes or because voters were asked to vote for someone instead of against someone. Chris is out because he didn’t get as many votes as the other three.
Its a traveshamockery!nice word...
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Maybe Chris can make a guest appearance on "Everybody Hates Chris" no wait that is not a FOX show and it's set in the early 80's...never mind
Thanks, but I owe it to Miller Beer.
Weasel,Your comments are entertaining and thought provoking, but do you not agree that the bottom line is, the voting method isn't working well ... and... Chris Daughtry should NOT have been the contestant to leave the show last night?
You may be more correct than the writer of this posting. Perhaps the viewers are stupid in their voting methods. But I have to agree with him that many people thought Chris would make it to the finals and voted for their second favorite contestant to keep him or her on the show.
Personally, I don't agree with either of you about the solution to fixing the voting dilemma. His solution probably would not work, for the reasons you stated. Your solution is far too complicated and would not appeal to the show's producers, who need to tout how many millions of votes were cast on any given night.
Whatever the solution is, the producers of American Idol need to explore a voting system that works. After last night's "traveshamockery", there are an aggregate of frustrated viewers out there. All one has to do is peruse the various internet forums to discover just how disillusioned many Idol viewers are right now.
Todd B
The only way to "fix" the problem last night would to have had more of Chris' fans vote. Period. When you have a show that is based on audience participation, there is always the chance that the audience will go and fvck things up (kind of like a jury). The only way to remedy this would be to remove the audience from the equation and that ain't gonna happen.
Miscellaneous Ramblings
--there are disillusioned Idol viewers every year over the one "surprise" boot--the show will go on.
I am getting so tired of people saying, "Everybody knows that Chris Daughtry should NOT have been the contestant to leave the show last night."Humbug. If I knew that, I wouldn't have voted for Katherine. If at least 25% of the people voting knew that, than Chris would still be there.
No, Katherine did not "deserve" to go home. It's a matter of opinion. I'd rather listen to her sing anyday over Chris. That's my personal preference. And the voting outcome tells me I'm not alone.
For the last time - Chris was not "owed" a chance to be in the finals just because he, the judges, and all of his fans thought he was entitled to that. I fast forwarded through his songs several times during the course of the show. I'm sure he's probably a nice guy, but he does not suit EVERYONE'S taste, period. If he joins Fuel, good for him, I suppose. I'd never heard of the band before all this and I'm relatively certain I'll not bother to listen to them. Hard rock is not my thing. I'm certain that I am not alone in my preferences. So would everyone please quit dissing those who had enough of a fan base to go through to the next round?
>Is this taken from someplace else?
>It certainly has the feel
>of it. Anyway…
Dear Devious,To answer your question, the comments in this posting were taken from a slightly longer e-mail I wrote to FOX this morning. I also posted the same comments on a handful of internet forums, including this one of course.
If submitting ones comments to more than one venue is considered plagiarism, then I must confess I am guilty -- but only of plagairising myself.
Best regards,
Soundesigner
This afternoon as I watched Studio B With Shepard Fox (on the FOX news channel) it was reported from emails to FOX news, people had tried to get through to vote for Chris but got Kat instead. There was no comment from AI.What I'm wondering: was that true and will Chris be back next week due to phone number screw up. Or is it a case of outraged Chris fans? While not a Chris fan I have to say I was shocked he's gone.
Who do you think Elliott, Taylor and Kat fans would have been voting for last night with the speed dialing fingers of lightning?
Miscellaneous Ramblings
--hint? None of the above. He'd have been a goner by even larger margins....assuming he'd have made it this far, which he wouldn't have in your scenario.
>Who do you think Elliott, Taylor
>and Kat fans would have
>been voting for last night
>with the speed dialing fingers
>of lightning?According to FOX news, apparently Chris fans tried to get through and couldn't during the voting Tuesday evening -- due to busy telephone lines. Interestingly, I voted (many times I admit) for Elliot that same night. The line was never busy once when I called.
Also, some Chris fans complained of calling the number for Chris and getting Catherine's voice. This may or may not be accurate, but it will be interesting to see how Idol deals with the allegations.
I voted through 2 hours for Elliott and Taylor using all 4 phone numbers. I could seldom get through, most often got through when changing from one number to another rather than persistant redialing. However, 5 or more times on Elliott's second number I got a long silence: no busy signal, no answer, no nothin'.Chris fans just believed the "annointed" stuff and refuse to believe that many of us just didn't like him all that much.
Chris being booted last night makes perfect sense to me. While he is clearly talented, not everybody likes rock. He's a niche performer without broad appeal. If America had to vote on which they preferred, I'm sure they'd pick Celine Dion over, say, Lou Reed any day.For that same reason, I think Taylor will go next week, leaving a final two of Kat and Elliot, with Kat winning.
This is American Idol people, not Rock Star. Think of the demographic.
I remember being shocked in Season 2 to find out that people were power-voting, so that one person could cancel out the votes of 200 others who stupidly thought this was an actual democracy.I felt guilty the first few times I did it, knowing that I was doing the same thing that bothered me.
Now I just think of it as part of the game, and vote a lot if I'm in the mood.
Now I've gotten jaded about the fact that it's NOT a democracy, that the entire show is controlled by the small segment of viewers who are willing to vote for two hours.
They should have fixed this four years ago.
I think American Idol is the ONLY version around the globe with free unlimited voting. some markets have a pay system, I think others restrict it some other way.
But then Ryan couldn't brag about how many votes they got.
And god forbid, their sponsor couldn't rake in the bucks with text messages.
I couldn't agree more with what you have said about the show going down hill. The judges spend more time making fun of each other than they do being serious about their role as judges. After all, these people have pretty impressive credentials, for celebrity judges, so why don't they act a bit more like professionals?The voting system on American Idol isn't working. And despite what some people who have responded here have said, there has NEVER been more shock and controversy expressed over someone leaving the show early as there has been over Chris. He came out every week and performed well. He has a great singing voice. Yes, he is rock oriented. Big deal. Last year's Idol winner was a country western singer, and that didn't stop her from being successful. And Chris will, likewise, be a success.
I completely disagree with those who say Chris is not versatile. He can sing powerful rock songs and tender ballads with equal effectiveness. He is a great singer. The judges, the other contestants, and millions of viewers (read all the reviews of last night's show if you don't believe me) were stunned last night when Ryan Seacrest announced Chris would be leaving the show. Something isn't right here.
I've been screaming about the voting process for 2 years now and your idea sounds good. Another possibility would be to only let 1 vote per phone or computer. Sort of like voting for a politician. Register your phone # or e-mail and set up a pass code to vote. This will weed out the geeks and computer hackers from ringing up the votes. Why should 1 person be able to vote 1000 times a night?
The title of this thread is pretty ironic in light of the offer Fuel made to Chris on Extra today. Any true fans would rejoice that he has a chance with a 'name' band. He should be much better off than if he had stayed with AI. In this day there is no such thing as a perfect way to select in such a competition. I'd like to see the howls of 'foul' change to cheers, but some people are more interested in seeing 'their guy' win this particular contest instead of seeing him gain real success.
Senior Honey,I'm not sure your charge is fair, considering the content of the thread. No one is questioning Chris Daughtry's future success. He will go on to be a success in the music industry, and all of us, his fans, will cheer him on and be extremely happy for him -- wherever he choses to go in his career.
That doesn't change the fact that what happened Wednesday night is highly questionable. And, if you take the time to read the reviews of the show on the many internet sites, millions of viewers (as well as the American Idol judges and remaining contestants) are shocked at what happened. Many many viewers agree with the American Idol judges that this should not have happened.
...from General Discussion, since Chris is an individual contestant.
Dear Bebo,Did you notice all the specific postings about Chris listed on the American Idol General Discussion Forum -- just below mine -- before you moved my posting to the Individual Contestant and judge Discussion Forum?
No worries.... however, my posting was more focused on the problems with American Idol in general, and not specifically on Chris Daughtry. Even though, admittedly, last night's show prompted the posting. The real problem is with the show itself, and is not isolated to what happened to Chris -- who will, without a doubt, go on to great success.
I have changed the subject line to more accurately reflect the content of the posting and have re-submitted it to the General American Idol Forum, where I hope you will allow it to remain.
Thanks for pointing out my error -- that the subject heading did not accurately represent the content of my posting.
Soundesigner
In response to drooler (message #27 above), I voted for Elliot at least 100 times over the course of an hour and NOT ONCE had a problem getting through. I got through EVERY TIME, with no busy signal -- EVER.I am an Elliot fan and a Chris fan, but I didn't vote for Chris Tuesday night. So I can't speak for those who tried to get through on Chris' lines and couldn't get through, or got Katherine instead. But I can speak from experience that there was no trouble getting through on Elliot's lines every time I dialed.
For those of you who are interested, REALITY TV writer, Ron Lemon, documents many specific instances of viewers who reported not being able to get through when calling to vote for Chris. You can read the entire article by clicking the web address below. I have also included a brief excerpt from his article, below the web address:
http://realitytvcalendar.com/recaps/ai5/commentary/rl-ai5-05-12-06-p1.html
"As I write this, a little over 24 hours since
Ryan told Chris he was going home, I have received over 2,200 emails
from fans of the show. They are still pouring in. I haven't read them
all, but I have read hundreds. The mail is overwhelmingly in support
of Chris. Overwhelmingly angry with the show. Overwhelmingly
frustrated with the voting system.And that is the single biggest question being asked. What about the
voting? Over and over again the emails I have gotten say the same
thing. As one fan put it "I tried to get through for two hours and all
I got was a busy signal....for two hours!"
but busy signals are a function of the specific telephone market where you live.just because you couldn't get through, that doesn't mean people in other markets couldn't get through.
and if Chris' line was pulling up steady busy signals nationwide, then the DialIdol results would reflect that. instead he had the fewest busy signals ....
I remain amazed at the immaturity demonstrated by the musically illiterate viewers who continue to whine about Chris. There must be other reasons behind the juvenile comments directed at Kat. Could it be that some females are jealous of her beauty and natural poise? Could it be that some sensitive beanie wearing male Ace fans are still pining for Ace and Chris was the substitute for their affections? Could it be that some amateur thespians covet Kat's stunning ability to command the stage? Let's all face it. Years from now Kat will still be a star while the others will be forgotten answers to a trivial pursuit game.
>I remain amazed at the immaturity
>demonstrated by the musically illiterate
>viewers who continue to whine
>about Chris.Mickey,
My husband is a music recording engineer, and has been for 28 years. He records classical, pop, jazz, rock, choral..... you name it. Most often his clients rely on him to not only record and mix, but also produce, their albums. He has a University degree in music and acoustical physics. He is successful in his careder and has won many recording awards. So I believe he would qualify as someone who is anything but musically illiterate.
We have had many discussions about this year's contestants and he agrees with you about the quality and training of Kat's voice. However, neither he nor any of the Idol judges (read their bios - they have more than a little exprerience and success among them) agrees with you that Chris is not as credible a performaer as Kat,
However, the real question of this thread is, does the voting system work? There seems to be some serious doubt by many people about the effectiveness of the system. See the article mentioned in the General Discussion Forum (Credibility of American Idol Questioned).
There is nothing immature about all of the American Idol judges, the other contestants, Ryan Seacrest and millions of viewers being shocked over what happened Wednesday night. Maybe Chris' fans thought he was safe and didn't vote as much as the other contestant's fans did. But many Chris fans are saying they couldn't get through at all. While Elliot fans dialed multiple times with no problem (again, see Credibility of American idol Questioned). There has been enough concern expressed that these problems need to be addressed. So far FOX isn't commenting. It will be interesting to see if they continue to ignore the complaints. If they don't address the problems with the voting system, I believe they will alienate a great number of American Idol viewers.
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I've tried several Google searches to see if FOX TV is going to address the allegations that phone lines were inaccessable for Chris Daughtry voters Tuesday night.Have any of you read or heard any response from FOX about this?
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