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"E-mail from Roni"
Posted by Tinkerbell on 02-20-03 at 12:58 PM
I just received this e-mail from Roni:

...it's time to move on. Please let my friends know I loved them and wish them well and I didn't do it.

Thanks


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Messages in this discussion
"sadness"
Posted by sorgee on 02-20-03 at 01:00 PM
it makes me sad to read that. and i don't like sadness.

(feeling sad and starting to pout.)

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 02-20-03 at 01:01 PM
LAST EDITED ON 02-20-03 AT 01:06 PM (EST)

Edited to change my response as Webby has now made it clear it is her. Sorry to hear that, and I really appreciate your work to clear this up for us, Webby.

Let's move on.


"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."

"Webby has posted it is Roni"
Posted by jkokoj on 02-20-03 at 01:01 PM
Very sad.

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by L82LIFE on 02-20-03 at 01:02 PM
LAST EDITED ON 02-20-03 AT 01:13 PM (EST)

I'm with Pepe. Now that things have been made clear to us, my response didn't seem right anymore. I'm still keeping the hugs here, though. I think we all need them today.

{{{{HUGS}}}}


"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by SurvivorBlows on 02-20-03 at 01:03 PM
The one thing Roni can do is drop the lies and come clean to the SB community -- if she truly loves and cares for anyone that's what she'd do. This was NOT Ronnet's first ghost-nic used for negative purposes -- it was at least HER THIRD.

As I stated in another thread, the evidence is QUITE CLEAR that RONNET was TAIYO. The one thing she COULDN'T HIDE was her IP address trail. Not only do I have thousands of lines of server logs of Ronnet (and only Ronnet) sharing the same set of a dozen or so IP addresses with her various ghost-nics, but I also have the timestamps that show nearly every Taiyo login being both preceeded and followed by Ronnet logins from the same IP address within minutes. The evidence is clear, Roni and Taiyo were the same person, with Roni logging off as Roni and logging on as Taiyo to make the Taiyo posts and then logging back on as Ronnet when she was done.

I don't want ANYONE to have ANY DOUBT that there was any injustice done here, that's simply not the case.

-SB

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by Tinkerbell on 02-20-03 at 01:07 PM
Thanks for explaining Webby - I'm very confused and feel like I've been duped. I didn't realize that there had been trouble before (as usually I'm blissfully oblivious of problems)...I just feel like I'm really stupid for believing her, but have a hard time not believing her...does that make sense?

I'm just sad about this whole situation.

"Thank you"
Posted by sorgee on 02-20-03 at 01:08 PM
i think that we can all appreciate the time and effort that you put into confirming the true identity. thank you for doing what you can to keep the boards a nice place to post.
(still pouting because i just don't like conflict and sadness...)
"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by desert_rhino on 02-20-03 at 01:08 PM
LAST EDITED ON 02-20-03 AT 01:41 PM (EST)

Up until last night, though, I saw nothing actually out of line from Taiyo. Controversial, yes. Directly abusive, no.

I did, however, see a lot of over-reaction to taiyo before that point.

Oh well.

see y'all in a bit. Sabbatical time for the rhino.

-- JV

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by SurvivinDawg on 02-20-03 at 01:13 PM
Agree with ya, JV. Maybe I wasn't paying close attention, but the only thing before last night that I knew of Taiyo was that she (and I always did think Taiyo was a "she") was on the conservative side of political posts. Perhaps that was the reason for the "over-reaction to taiyo before that point" ?

Anyways, I am stunned that Ronnet was Taiyo. I just hope she's going to be okay...



Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

"Liberal Lady Loves the Dawg"
Posted by Swami on 02-20-03 at 01:35 PM
Dawg, I woke up to find this controversy in full swing. I know you to be smart, witty, kind and a patriot. Don't let a monkey yank your chain--this has nothing to do with a political spectrum. Just a stupidity scale.

"RE: Liberal Lady Loves the Dawg"
Posted by SurvivinDawg on 02-20-03 at 01:49 PM
I appreciate your kind comments, Swami. And believe me, Mr. Monkeyboy has been failing to yank my dawggie chain for a loonnnng time... isn't that right, Mr. Monkeyboy?



Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by SurvivorOverlord on 02-20-03 at 01:09 PM
Nuff said webby!!

You can't fake IP addresses....let's just leave it at that...I think we have spent way to much time on something negative....which is exactly what Taiyo was trying to do...so lets move on to better things!!

Wheezy....bring on the dancing rats!!!



"It's only cheating if you get caught".....Al Bundy

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by L82LIFE on 02-20-03 at 01:09 PM
Thank you Webby, for taking the time to investigate this matter and then to explain to all of us. You do one hell of a job keeping things orderly here. Thank you.

I totally agree with what Tink said. My emotions feel like they've been on one of Buggy's Roller Coasters *waves to the Bug* this morning. I think maybe I'll try to get some work done now.

Take care, all of you.


"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by Q on 02-20-03 at 01:11 PM
I will accept whatever the mods decide. I have found them to be fair and honest in the past, and I have no reason to change my view now.

This day is just turning out to be strange, and bizzare.


It is astonishing how foolish humans can be in groups, especially when they follow their leaders without question - States: The Bene Gesserit View. All States Are an Abstraction.

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by Masquerade_Mole on 02-20-03 at 01:21 PM
"ghost-nic used for negative purposes -- it was at least HER THIRD."

So Webby admits that the Zero Tolerance Policy is shady at best?
Apparently Zero is up for interpretation.

I swear I made all those nasty posts last night. It's the truth.
Webby knows it wasn't her by looking at the IP addresses.

But I suppose PepeLePew will call me a liar like he did when I told people my mom had cancer.

Justice is pretty shady around here.

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 02-20-03 at 01:23 PM
You know I was far from the only one who called you that -- many others did, why single me out? I called you that because you hid behind a fake name to say that stuff about your mom instead of coming out in the open to talk about it.

I haven't done anything to be ashamed of my life that I have to lie about things or use a fake name. How about you?


"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by SurvivinDawg on 02-20-03 at 01:27 PM
Justice is pretty shady around here.

Oh, I'd say that justice is just fine around here. And I'm speaking as one on the bubble.

It's Webby's board. Whatever he says **IS** justice around here. No ifs, ands or buts about it. He could ban anyone from this board for no better reason than he doesn't like their brand of underwear, or no reason at all.




Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

"One more point"
Posted by AyaK on 02-20-03 at 03:14 PM
Exactly one post was made by Taiyo from a Monkeyboy-linked IP address, and it was made this morning.

There are about 20 IDs (!!), including Taiyo, linked to Ronnet's IP address that we have found so far, and we're still looking. One of them is an ID that I thought (back during Mole 2) belonged to Monkeyboy, although I'd never had any reason to look into it. This leads to the obvious question of why a Monkeyboy ID would be coming from the same IP address that Ronnet consistently uses. I can, of course, think of a few possible reasons, and I'm sure you all can too.

"Trust the Blue Ones"
Posted by Swami on 02-20-03 at 01:20 PM
Thank you Webby & mods for all you do to keep this community up & running despite occasional bouts of sabotage. You are much appreciated, and I respect your efforts and judgement.

*wonders how to use duct tape and plastic sheeting to protect OT from stupidity saboteurs.*

"RE: Trust the Blue Ones"
Posted by Masquerade_Mole on 02-20-03 at 01:22 PM
Hi Swami! :c )

Don't trust SherpaDave...he's a pervert too. :c D

"RE: Trust the Blue Ones"
Posted by Esbea on 02-20-03 at 01:51 PM
"Don't trust SherpaDave...he's a pervert too"

you say that like its a bad thing.....


"NO, NO...I WONT take your nasty medicine!"

"RE: Trust the Blue Ones"
Posted by SherpaDave on 02-20-03 at 01:52 PM
I think I need to put Esbea on my "crush" list.


Criminals From the Neck Up

"you perv"
Posted by Esbea on 02-20-03 at 01:57 PM
its about friggin time!

"YES YES...I WILL take your nasty medicine!"
"RE: Trust the Blue Ones"
Posted by snoocharoo on 02-20-03 at 01:53 PM
**adds Sherps name to the GOOD bad boys list**

"Don't hate me because I'm beautiful, there are so many other reasons"

"RE: Trust the Blue Ones"
Posted by Bebo on 02-20-03 at 02:05 PM
**adds Sherps name to the GOOD bad boys list**

Aw snooch, you mean he wasn't there before? I'm curious about the other names that made your list, since I'm always on the lookout for lustpuppies.


Royalty, shmoyalty...EVIL rules!

"RE: Trust the Blue Ones"
Posted by snoocharoo on 02-20-03 at 02:11 PM
Hmmmm, I'm always looking for new victims....

Winky-Boner
Katsanova
Q-T
Big Poppa
Sherps
punk ass bacon
Fester the molester
Supes
SOL

"Don't hate me because I'm beautiful, there are so many other reasons"

"RE: Trust the Blue Ones"
Posted by SurvivorOverlord on 02-20-03 at 03:16 PM
Wahoooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

I'm on Snooch's list!


--even if I was at the bottom

"RE: Trust the Blue Ones"
Posted by nailbone on 02-20-03 at 03:17 PM
>Hmmmm, I'm always looking for new
>victims....
>
>Winky-Boner
>

DAMMIT, true!!!!!!!


(c) 2002 IceCat Originals, Inc. All rights reserved. (c) 2002 Kingsladye Originals, Inc. All rights reserved.
- Royal Liaison to Illicit Activities

"RE: Trust the Blue Ones"
Posted by Bebo on 02-20-03 at 03:25 PM
You realize that your new nickname has stuck, dontcha Winky-Boner?


Royalty, shmoyalty...EVIL rules!

"RE: Trust the Blue Ones"
Posted by nailbone on 02-20-03 at 03:26 PM
Yeah, and when I catch true, she's gonna get a good *whack*!!!


(c) 2002 IceCat Originals, Inc. All rights reserved. (c) 2002 Kingsladye Originals, Inc. All rights reserved.
- Royal Liaison to Illicit Activities

"RE: Trust the Blue Ones"
Posted by Q on 02-20-03 at 03:28 PM
Yes she will get a Whack, but will it be with your Winky-Boner?

OK, thats enough out of me.


It is astonishing how foolish humans can be in groups, especially when they follow their leaders without question - States: The Bene Gesserit View. All States Are an Abstraction.

"Oh my...."
Posted by snoocharoo on 02-20-03 at 03:32 PM
Shall I ready the garden hose Q???????


"Don't hate me because I'm beautiful, there are so many other reasons"

"RE: Oh my...."
Posted by nailbone on 02-20-03 at 03:36 PM
Yeah, but I'm not gonna whack Q with that hose, it's gettin' stuck somewhere painful!!



(c) 2002 IceCat Originals, Inc. All rights reserved. (c) 2002 Kingsladye Originals, Inc. All rights reserved.
- Royal Liaison to Illicit Activities

"RE: Oh my...."
Posted by snoocharoo on 02-20-03 at 03:39 PM
*LOL*

Q would like that!!!!


"Don't hate me because I'm beautiful, there are so many other reasons"

"RE: Oh my...."
Posted by Q on 02-20-03 at 03:44 PM
Lets Run Q out of town on a rail, but wait, he may enjoy that to much. LOL.

Its sad but true Snooch. I live to be abused, by you of course.


It is astonishing how foolish humans can be in groups, especially when they follow their leaders without question - States: The Bene Gesserit View. All States Are an Abstraction.

"RE: Trust the Blue Ones"
Posted by PapaBear on 02-20-03 at 04:08 PM
I guess it is a compliment to be called BIG Poppa as opposed to being known as "Winky-Boner".

You had to know this was coming when you decided to show off your winky on a public forum.



Hopes no one remembers "Boxgate"

"RE: Trust the Blue Ones"
Posted by Sheila on 02-20-03 at 04:20 PM
You will always be MY PapaBox! (((((bear HUG))))

"RE: Trust the Blue Ones"
Posted by Bebo on 02-20-03 at 04:22 PM
>I guess it is a compliment
>to be called BIG Poppa

That's how you ended up on my lustpuppy list.



Royalty, shmoyalty...EVIL rules!

"Hey..."
Posted by s_man on 02-20-03 at 04:44 PM
...wait dust a danm minute.

"RE: Hey..."
Posted by snoocharoo on 02-20-03 at 04:48 PM
Wow look Lazarus has joined the party!!! Where ya been S-man??

"Don't hate me because I'm beautiful, there are so many other reasons"

"RE: Hey..."
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 02-20-03 at 04:50 PM
Hang in there, s-man... you're only one letter down from the letter "T" and you'll get Misto's attention pretty soon!


"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."

"RE: Trust the Blue Ones"
Posted by nailbone on 02-20-03 at 03:02 PM

Damn, you beat me to it!!

Perverts of the world unite!!



(c) 2002 IceCat Originals, Inc. All rights reserved. (c) 2002 Kingsladye Originals, Inc. All rights reserved.
- Royal Liaison to Illicit Activities

"RE: Trust the Blue Ones"
Posted by SurvivorOverlord on 02-20-03 at 03:12 PM
That's right us pervs gotta stick together!!!



--wondering where this year's convention will be held

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by mistofleas on 02-20-03 at 01:22 PM
I have an IM call out to Roni to find out what was going on with her and haven't gotten a response. Thank you webby for giving us the truth and proof that Taiyo was indeed Roni.

I've always liked Roni and will miss her. Taiyo, I didn't care for though.


--wonders why so many of our problems come from people using a moniker beginning with "T"

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by tjstein on 02-20-03 at 02:50 PM
*pout*

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by Tinkerbell on 02-20-03 at 03:06 PM

>--wonders why so many of our
>problems come from people using
>a moniker beginning with "T"
>

I'm gonna join tjstein in that *pout*

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by thndrkttn on 02-20-03 at 03:22 PM
LAST EDITED ON 02-20-03 AT 03:22 PM (EST)

They referenced a capital T and not lowercase so I consider myself having the immunity 't' in this instance.

However, in the words of Letterman from the electric company...

...able to leap captial T in a single bound...it's a word...it's a phrase....it's....

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by Q on 02-20-03 at 03:24 PM
What about Mr. T with the Tall Teeth? You can't forget him.

But I still say no other letter is quite as nice as the letter Q.


It is astonishing how foolish humans can be in groups, especially when they follow their leaders without question - States: The Bene Gesserit View. All States Are an Abstraction.

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by thndrkttn on 02-20-03 at 03:29 PM
....faster than a rolling O,

stronger than a silent E,

not nearly as handsome as Q,

it's a word...it's a phrase....

Better?

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by mistofleas on 02-20-03 at 03:39 PM
I'm sorry my darling "t" people! You all know I didn't mean you anyway, you're just trying to illicit guilty "suck up" responses from me! (and look it worked )

All "t" named people will now have me as their servant for the rest of the day.

Q, you're out of luck


--will work her way down the alphabet within the coming months

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by TechNoir on 02-20-03 at 03:43 PM
*gotta think, gotta think*


"Half of Tech's charm is that sometimes I have no idea what she's talking about" -- True

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by tjstein on 02-20-03 at 03:47 PM
illicit guilty "suck up" responses from me!

All "t" named people will now have me as their servant for the rest of the day.

-will work her way down

my mind is truly in the gutter and I simply can't go on
*faints*


"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by mistofleas on 02-20-03 at 04:01 PM
tj!!! You went there. I can't believe you went there!

You're cracking me up.


And I know I'm in trouble now, Tech is thinking of things for me to do as her servant. I hope it's stopped snowing in her neck of the woods cuz I really don't want to shovel.


--must remember to be more specific in the future

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by tjstein on 02-20-03 at 04:12 PM
please, that was practically an engraved invitation to go there!
how could I not?


*snickers gleefully*

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by mistofleas on 02-20-03 at 04:24 PM
Anything to keep the peoples laughing!


--revs up the porsche and gets ready to run everyones errands

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by Femme on 02-20-03 at 03:58 PM
*changes name to 'temme'*


Femme
"I shall no longer play the field; the field stinks, both economically and socially."

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by Esbea on 02-20-03 at 04:21 PM
then I can become "TEsbea" ...do I have to change into my superhero costume in a telephone booth or anything?

"NO, NO...I WONT take your nasty medicine!"
"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by SurvivorOverlord on 02-20-03 at 04:49 PM
I hope you are working backwards cause "s" comes before "t"...if not...I'll be last in line *pout*


"It's only cheating if you get caught".....Al Bundy

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by TeamJoisey on 02-20-03 at 03:53 PM

>--wonders why so many of our
>problems come from people using
>a moniker beginning with "T"
>

Hey!!



I'm not Taiyo.

"More ghost nics exposed"
Posted by SurvivorBlows on 02-20-03 at 04:22 PM
Say goodbye to the following additional ID's folks, they were all part of the apparently very twisted mind of one or two individuals. There may very well be more to come... anyone else out there with ghost nics, I advise you to email me and come clean now. Thanks.

angel
angelbaby
Bambi
beachgirl
CrazyCat
FoxyLady
HiSailor
herekittykitty (not to be confused with hearkittykitty)
Jets
klueless
lacy
ladybug
Malibu_Barbie
MistyRose
PussycatDoll
Taiyo
TeenSpirit
RallyMonkey
Roni
Ronnet
Roxy
Scarlet
Ursula
ZoomZoom

"RE: More ghost nics exposed"
Posted by snoocharoo on 02-20-03 at 04:26 PM
In all seriousness that is freaking unbelievable!!!! Why would someone or someone's go through all that trouble just to mess with people doing nothing more than minding their own business. This wasn't pointed specifically at OT since I have talked to these psuedonyms in other forums as well as here.

Webby I am so sorry that you had to deal with this kind of immature crapola. You deserve a big huge beer!!!!

"Don't hate me because I'm beautiful, there are so many other reasons"

"RE: More ghost nics exposed"
Posted by moonbaby on 02-20-03 at 04:31 PM
Not a single Sybil Dorsett.

What a headache!


"RE: More ghost nics exposed"
Posted by mistofleas on 02-20-03 at 04:51 PM
Not a single Sybil Dorsett.

I own 3 copies of that book!


--needs to make sure that all of her personalities are treated equally

"RE: More ghost nics exposed"
Posted by Femme on 02-20-03 at 04:32 PM
Oh, my. You know, I once sent Roni an email concerning Malibu Barbie. She was probably laughing her head off at me. Foot-in-mouth. LOL.

Also, you know Asrai and I occassionaly have the same IP address, right? But, that's only very few times when we are at her house or at mine (like maybe 2 days every month, but, I'm sure that is obvious enough. In fact, we just got done wondering about that on the phone...)

Oh, and there was that one time I posted from Sleeeve's bedroom, but that's a whole 'nother story...


Femme
"I shall no longer play the field; the field stinks, both economically and socially."

"RE: More ghost nics exposed"
Posted by Asrai on 02-20-03 at 04:51 PM
LAST EDITED ON 02-20-03 AT 04:57 PM (EST)

Oh, and there was that one time I posted from Sleeeve's bedroom, but that's a whole 'nother story...

Now, see, this is where sibling rivalry comes from! You crack me up, sister dear!

"When I'm good, I'm very, very good. When I'm bad, I'm better!" Mae West

Edited for spelling, since femme carcking me up has nothing to do with her cracking me up!


"RE: More ghost nics exposed"
Posted by Esbea on 02-20-03 at 04:58 PM
please Asrai......Ive had enough "carcking up" for one day! and darn you for fixing that typo while i was posting this!

"NO, NO...I WONT take your nasty medicine!"
"RE: More ghost nics exposed"
Posted by nailbone on 02-20-03 at 05:07 PM

>Oh, and there was that one
>time I posted from Sleeeve's
>bedroom, but that's a whole
>'nother story...
>
Now you've just gone to braggin'



(c) 2002 IceCat Originals, Inc. All rights reserved. (c) 2002 Kingsladye Originals, Inc. All rights reserved.
- Royal Liaison to Illicit Activities

"RE: More ghost nics exposed"
Posted by TechNoir on 02-20-03 at 05:30 PM
There are lots of reasons folks might have the same IP. For example AyaK and Flying_Squirrel or Zuma and Drive my car. Most of the reasons are totally reasonable. Don't worry.



Um, I don't mean to be speaking for Webby but if folks aren't doing anything wrong they shouldn't really worry.

"Malibu Barbie"
Posted by Red Lady on 02-20-03 at 08:07 PM
"Oh, my. You know, I once sent Roni an email concerning Malibu Barbie. She was probably laughing her head off at me. Foot-in-mouth. LOL."

You know temme, Malibu Barbie was one of my favourite posters to The Mole! I just sent her a friendly wave recently when I thought she had re-appeared after a long hiatus! hahaha...joke's on me!


Regards...

"RE: More ghost nics exposed"
Posted by Tinkerbell on 02-20-03 at 04:38 PM
Again...Wow...is all I can say.

"Another ghostnic..."
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 02-20-03 at 04:42 PM
Don't forget Monkeyboy's (at least I think it's his) Masquerade_Mole name, too.


"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."

"RE: More ghost nics exposed"
Posted by Schnookie Palookie on 02-20-03 at 04:43 PM
Our little herekittykitty??? Wow! I'm truly speechless

"RE: More ghost nics exposed"
Posted by snoocharoo on 02-20-03 at 04:45 PM
She mean-mailed me once about a SouthPark reference I made and I apologized profusely and even did a public apology. Man I feel like schmuck.


"Don't hate me because I'm beautiful, there are so many other reasons"

"RE: More ghost nics exposed"
Posted by PhoenixMons on 02-20-03 at 04:57 PM
I, too, made a public apology for my little jab at her siggy ('twas all in fun though - I thought it was funny and quite obvious that I was just being facetious) - I said my moves are better than her dancin' girl and she got MAD and started making little snide remarks about little ol' MOI to get others on her side....ahhh I was a "brand newbie" (is that anything like Brand Nubians or the Brand New Heavies?) at the time and felt so bad for insulting someone on my first day at OT! Sheesh. Now I feel like a dodo (at least I'm in good company )

"RE: More ghost nics exposed"
Posted by TechNoir on 02-20-03 at 05:33 PM
Are Brand Nubians much different from generic Nubians?

(Have a good vacation, btw)


"Half of Tech's charm is that sometimes I have no idea what she's talking about" -- True

"RE: More ghost nics exposed"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 02-20-03 at 04:45 PM
LAST EDITED ON 02-20-03 AT 04:55 PM (EST)

Sad, isn't it? I recall that herekittykitty rarely ever said anything at all -- usually only said something in relation to cats -- and come to think of it, her style of posting was similar to Roni's.

It's mindboggling the time and trouble an already-banned poster would take to merely hang around in a place where they're not wanted. It makes you wonder just what they're like IRL to need such attention.


"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."

"RE: More ghost nics exposed"
Posted by Schnookie Palookie on 02-20-03 at 04:52 PM
Man I loved herekittykitty. I feel like such a fool!


"What About?"
Posted by Q on 02-20-03 at 04:57 PM
OK, one point here.

I do not condone or agree with this whole brew-ha-ha, but...

to say that they are not wanted is a little harsh. It may actually be things like this that feed into the problem. Feeling not wanted and banned (no matter what the initial cause was) is probably why they try so hard to return.

No One is perfect, we all have faults. We should try to be a little more understanding. We are all upset at what has been going on, and we may be over-reacting in our retoric, even though the mods actions were justified, IMO.

Again, I'm not in disagreement with you, but there is no telling what is going on with these posters. Lets just remember to not judge to harshly until we have walked a mile in their shoes.

It can be a lonely world out there and you never know what the repercussions of statments made here could be. And don't worry if you completely disagree with me. I'm used to it. I just wish these ghosts, etc would understand that disagreement is part of life. Just deal with it and move on.

I hope I have not upset anyone by saying these things.


"RE: What About?"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 02-20-03 at 05:03 PM
That's quite alright... thanks for sharing your viewpoint -- I'll just whack you Wheezy-style!

You do bring up some valid points and I know I can't speak for or imagine what it's like to be in most booted posters' shoes, but this particular person (Monkeyboy) has been unbelievably persistent and he knew full well what he was doing -- most of the stuff he did was before you joined SBlows, I believe. Monkeyboy is one person we can safely say isn't wanted around here.


"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."

"RE: What About?"
Posted by Q on 02-20-03 at 05:16 PM
First, I'm glad you replied, so now I can re-reply. I was not singling you out at all. You are such a nice person/skunk.

Second, This whole prior to me coming to Sblows makes a lot of sense, because I really don't remember more than one of these posters names (aside from Ronnet). I have been running searches today on some of these names to find old posts, and I agree that they are out of line. I just don't get why they do it. So what was this Moneypersons damage anyway?

And I should have been more to the point about my disapproval of their posts.

I just get worried (and yes my bleeding heart is showing, and is starting to scare even me, LOL) about some of these souls. I fear for their mental health and pray that they do not make rash decisions.


It is astonishing how foolish humans can be in groups, especially when they follow their leaders without question - States: The Bene Gesserit View. All States Are an Abstraction.

"RE: What About?"
Posted by SherpaDave on 02-20-03 at 05:20 PM
I think I'm developing a crush on Q now, too. How am I going to find time to work if you people keep making me weak in the knees?


Criminals From the Neck Up

"Agreed"
Posted by PhoenixMons on 02-20-03 at 05:06 PM
I actually stayed out of this in the beginning for fear of stepping on toes because I didn't see what the fuss was all about over Taiyo's posts...I obviously understand the "ban" with so many screennames (all apparently with different "identities" or "personalities") but I don't quite understand (and maybe I missed something - it happens a lot ) what was so bad/wrong about the Taiyo posts...

But I do feel like a 'dodo' as I stated aboive for apologizing to someone who apparently was trying to stir up trouble. Course, I don't know the reason behind all of the "madness"...so I could be way off...

"RE: Agreed"
Posted by SherpaDave on 02-20-03 at 05:10 PM
Actually, until last night, there really wasn't anything terribly egregious about the Taiyo posts. But for about two hours last night, she went on a fairly personal and hurtful spree.


Criminals From the Neck Up

"RE: Agreed"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 02-20-03 at 05:11 PM
LAST EDITED ON 02-20-03 AT 05:13 PM (EST)

Well, for one thing, Taiyo told Pooh that nobody liked her (typed in a way that was uncalled for) and told me that I should be spending time with my family instead of spending time on SBlows. Both posts were yesterday on his/her post-a-thon of badmouthing people. I can tell for the most part when somebody's joking around or not, and these weren't a joking around post from Taiyo.

Edited to add that I agree with Sherps' post. Both my wife and I were quite taken back by Taiyo's comment on my "Picket Fences" post that it had me bugged for a while. And I don't get my feathers ruffled easily.

Anyhoo.... hopefully we all can move on from this. This has done a lot to destroy some trust in certain people around here. My wife, for example, is feeling betrayed by Monkeyboy and Ronnet because both supported her after her first foray into the bar a year-and-half ago.


"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."

"RE: Agreed"
Posted by Tinkerbell on 02-20-03 at 05:15 PM
>This
>has done a lot to
>destroy some trust in certain
>people around here.

*raises hand*

"RE: Agreed"
Posted by Q on 02-20-03 at 05:23 PM
Thank you for explaining what happened last night to me. As I rarely post at night, I was clueless as to the extensiveness of her/his rantings.

I can't beleive that was said. Why?

Refer to my above reply for specifics regarding your first reply to my post.

I will talk with everyone soon, and will leave you will one thing...

Thank you all for everying good you have said to me, Thank you for all the support you guys have given me, Thank you for all the advice I have received here. Lets just remember the good that comes out of our interactions. Those that don't understand that, will never understand that.


It is astonishing how foolish humans can be in groups, especially when they follow their leaders without question - States: The Bene Gesserit View. All States Are an Abstraction.

"RE: Agreed"
Posted by minitroll on 02-20-03 at 06:05 PM
I was here in OT late last night and saw several very hurtful comments that were made by Taiyo. It had me very upset, but at least Sherps stepped in and put a stop to it. I realize I'm new here, but that was the first time I ever read comments that were that mean spirited from a poster on these boards, especially since a couple of them seemed like personal attacks. Taiyo, Ronnet, Monkeyboy or whoever it was, was clearly trying to bait us.
"RE: More ghost nics exposed"
Posted by Drive My Car on 02-20-03 at 04:44 PM

Stunned! ( and more then a little pissed about ladybug, was she trying to pretend to be me?)




"often imitated, never duplicated.."
Posted by Esbea on 02-20-03 at 04:47 PM
we ALL want to be you, Buggy.....

"NO, NO...I WONT take your nasty medicine!"
"RE: More ghost nics exposed"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 02-20-03 at 04:48 PM
Welcome to the "stunned" club, too. Roni was the very first person who made me feel welcome in the bar.


"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."

"RE: More ghost nics exposed"
Posted by PhoenixMons on 02-20-03 at 04:48 PM
You know I was suspicious for a couple of reasons from the beginning...I asked Roni on a few occasions about her dance background - where she dances, what she does, etc. - (as I'm a dancer myself as is my sister) and was ignored every time.
Also, the PussycatDoll/Roxy screennames sent up an alarm since they are also "dance" related and I just thought it odd for some reason. I just chalked it up to being a newbie and her not wanting to divulge too much personal info...now it all makes sense (added with the fact that you couldn't PM her...not that it's totally odd, just made me go hmmmmm when combined with everything else).

Now I know why I never got a response when I asked her all those questions!

Thanks for solving the mystery.

"I agree Webby!"
Posted by not shakes on 02-20-03 at 09:35 PM
>>come... anyone else out
>there with ghost nics, I
>advise you to email me
>and come clean now.
>Thanks.
>

...I agree Webby. We can't have these losers running around here posting whatever the heck they want under the guise of some bs ghost nickname.

Why don't you losers get some balls and admit who you are. And speaking of losers, I bet Shakes has a ghost nic or two, the insecure attention obsessive DAW that he is. I bet he has 1000's of them.

And no, I'm not just grinding an axe cause I got fired after Shakesvivor shut down and I wasn't retained by the producers of BAvivor, Supesvivor, or Blowsvivor...despite my obvious credentials.

BTW, did you guys know that Shakes wets the bed....on purpose. How sick is that?

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by desert_rhino on 02-20-03 at 05:26 PM
I have to say, after observing a group of people who pride themselves on reasonableness and general "niceness," I'm rather impressed at the level of vitriol that I've seen today.

Roni is still Roni. Just because she's been declared "safe to attack, persona non grata," doesn't really give you peeps a license to come up with every nasty thing you can think of.

It's not every day that I pull out Scripture, but the simple fact that I do not believe in this God does not dilute the message substantially. Our reading today is from the Book of Matthew:

”Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measurement ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote (speck) that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and them shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.” Matthew 7:1-5

“But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words shalt thou be condemned.” Matthew 12:36,37

“The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach...Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.” Matthew 23:2-3,13

-- JV

"What rage for fame attends both great and small!
Better be damned than mentioned not at all." --John Wolcot (1738–1819)

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by nailbone on 02-20-03 at 05:36 PM
I tend to agree with you, JV. I think, however, that while the vitriol is directed at Roni, the anger is really within us all at ourselves for being so thoroughly duped by this person, whatever her problems/reasons are for doing it.


(c) 2002 IceCat Originals, Inc. All rights reserved. (c) 2002 Kingsladye Originals, Inc. All rights reserved.
- Royal Liaison to Illicit Activities

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by desert_rhino on 02-20-03 at 05:46 PM
Re-read the above, and then consider the fact that none of us are exactly what we seem online. It's not possible, nor usually even a desirable state. Then re-read it AGAIN.

Just a suggestion. YMMV

-- JV

"What rage for fame attends both great and small!
Better be damned than mentioned not at all." --John Wolcot

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by TechNoir on 02-20-03 at 05:47 PM
While I have no desire to detract from the powerful message of Pastor Rhino, I'd like to mention that folks tend to attack when they are frightened. And they are frightened because what they thought they could rely on -- their own judgement -- turned out to be flawed. That can be pretty scary.

So let 'em work through it here and then move on. No harm done.


Of course why would anybody listen to me? I do not worship at the temple of "nice". In fact I usually find excessive niceness and goodness cause for suspicion. Folks with a little edge, like the Pastor, generally seem more trustworthy to me.

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by nailbone on 02-20-03 at 05:51 PM

Oh shut up.



(c) 2002 IceCat Originals, Inc. All rights reserved. (c) 2002 Kingsladye Originals, Inc. All rights reserved.
- Royal Liaison to Illicit Activities

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by TechNoir on 02-20-03 at 05:52 PM
That is the punch line from some joke. Unfortunately I never remember jokes.


"Half of Tech's charm is that sometimes I have no idea what she's talking about" -- True

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by MakeItStop on 02-20-03 at 07:23 PM
No harm done.

Well, I have to disagree with Tech. I understand that you all are upset, but I agree with JV. I'm shocked at the attacks on Munky and Roni that I have read today. I get it -- you guys don't like Monkeyboy, you're upset. But you all are unusually cruel. For example, is it really necessary to say over and over again that he isn't wanted? I don't think so. I'm pretty sure he already knows it. My mother always told me, "if you can't say anything nice, then don't say anything at all".

I would think that it would be more therapeutic to talk about one's own feelings instead of attacking the banned posters. And some of you have done that. I apologize if this sounds like I am preaching, I'm just disappointed at the cruelity that I have seen today.


“She’s a beauty queen gone bad!” -- Marcellus about Amy.

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by desert_rhino on 02-20-03 at 07:36 PM
Indeed, even I have left the Funky Munky out of my admonitions. I offer my most profound apologies.

"You're not wanted here" is a pretty harsh message, and thanks for just going right ahead and speaking for those who may *not agree* with your sanctimonious pronouncements.

Besides, how much *DO* you all trust your own judgement, if a simple change in the wind completely upsets your world view?

-- JV

"What rage for fame attends both great and small!
Better be damned than mentioned not at all." --John Wolcot (1738–1819)

"Post 100?"
Posted by AyaK on 02-20-03 at 08:13 PM
LAST EDITED ON 02-20-03 AT 08:14 PM (EST)

Could it be?

Edited to add: Yes, it is! I'm enough of a DAW to want to interrupt this serious discussion to see if I can get post #100. Frankly, I think that says it all.

"RE: Post 100?"
Posted by SherpaDave on 02-20-03 at 08:16 PM
I'm just happy my Taiyo thread didn't hit 100. Of all the threads I've ever started, that was one of the ones I least wanted to be a monster.

And JV... agreed on most of your sentiments. It bothered me a lot last night when Taiyo was personally attacking posters, but at the same time, I greatly hope that whatever set her off isn't anything major and that she's well.


Criminals From the Neck Up

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by SurvivorBlows on 02-20-03 at 09:17 PM
>I get it -- you guys don't like Monkeyboy,
>you're upset. But you all are unusually cruel.
>For example, is it really necessary to say over
>and over again that he isn't wanted? I don't
>think so. I'm pretty sure he already knows it.
>My mother always told me, "if you can't say
>anything nice, then don't say anything at all".

Apparently HE'S NOT clear on the fact that he's not welcome around here because HE KEEPS COMING BACK. The guy has been banned over a DOZEN TIMES and he keeps coming back. Why would anyone other than a total psycho do that? HE'S NOT WANTED -- how much clearer can it be said? As far as I'm concerned the time for handling Monkey with the kid gloves has long since passed and I'm tired of people "helping" him slip back into this community or being aware of it and looking the other way.

As far as Roni, I'm just as disappointed as anyone, after all, this is someone who at one time was SB.com's main news reporter and someone that certainly had my trust

-SB

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by Drive My Car on 02-20-03 at 09:37 PM
Thank You Webby.

It is all an issue of trust.

I too am sad, and hurt and dissapointed, but we need to do what is best for the community. Webby and the Mods have no personal beef, they are doing what is best to keep this community together. And what they do seems to work, because this board is not like other boards.

I have seen more shock and dismay, then meaness over this issue.

I don't think anyone is being cruel when they say that using a duplicate ID to hide behind mean words is wrong. Getting a duplicate ID and pretending to be someone else tears down the trust. Without trust OT has nothing, and the other boards suffer.

Thank You Webby, and all those you have wisely chosen to help Moderate these forums. I appreciate you all more than you know.




"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by Schnookie Palookie on 02-20-03 at 10:31 PM
Personally, I was not trying to be mean to anyone. I was just expressing my shock and disappointment as were most people who responded.

I'm very sad to see Roni gone. However, I won't be made to feel bad because I expressed my shock and disappointment.

Thanks Webby & Buggy.

"RE: E-mail from Roni"
Posted by MakeItStop on 02-21-03 at 01:49 AM
I'm going to reply to buggy's post since it looks like she is addressing some issues with my post.

First off, no where in my post did I say that the mods took inappropriate action. I'm sure they did what they thought was best.

I also have seen shock and dismay, but I was talking about the meaness. And that is all. I even said, "I would think that it would be more therapeutic to talk about one's own feelings instead of attacking the banned posters." Expressing shock and dismay would fall into the category of expressing one's feelings. I even acknowledged that some posters have done this.

I gave an example of what I was talking about. I DO think that was unusually cruel. So obviously Webby and I disagree on this point ... and perhaps others do to. I was expressing MY opinion. I DO believe that MB is aware of people's feelings. I bet his repeated returns have more to do with pulling a fast one than ignorance of the situation.

I pretty much post exactly what I want to say -- no hidden meanings. I wasn't saying that all the posts on this situation have been mean, but there have been many. It was those that I was refering to.


“She’s a beauty queen gone bad!” -- Marcellus about Amy.

"MIS"
Posted by Drive My Car on 02-21-03 at 02:44 AM
Oh Make It Stop, I was not addressing you directly. I would elaborate but it is late and I have to get up in 5 hours. Yours were only some of the comments I was addressing, and I think I was kinda addressing the whole situation as a whole.
Will clarify when time permits if you need me too.

MonkeyBoy really wasn't the issue though was he? Not this time.

"Top10 Horrible Things About Ronnet"
Posted by Outfrontgirl on 02-20-03 at 10:36 PM
LAST EDITED ON 02-20-03 AT 11:38 PM (EST) by SurvivorBlows (admin)

Content deleted by SB

"RE: Top10 Horrible Things About Ronnet"
Posted by SurvivorBlows on 02-20-03 at 11:37 PM
I'm deleting the content of this posting, you can't hide everything behind a "disclaimer." This post brings multiple issues that aren't relevant to the issue at hand and does nothing productive. If you have concerns about the accuracy of my statements and integrity then don't hide behind a satirical post and email me privately.

-SB

PS You also got at least a couple of your "facts" wrong.

"Kumbaya my Lord..."
Posted by I_AM_HE on 02-20-03 at 11:50 PM
Kumbaya...

"Multiple nics folowup"
Posted by SurvivorBlows on 02-21-03 at 00:01 AM
I want to clarify something on multiple nics... my point with the ghost nics isn't to hunt down every set of roommates, classmates, family members, etc. that share the same computer. It's also not to hunt down every person who registered an ID two years ago, forgot the password or username, and then switched to another ID. These aren't the situations I'm concerned about, but thanks to everyone for being so forthcoming.

And my statement was also not even really intended for clear "parody" style ID's where the posters identity is pretty clear and no attempt at (for lack of a better phrase) fraud or deliberate misrepresentation being attempted. ID's like "Tinkerbride", "not sleeeve", and "not shakes" are not the problem.

ID's like HawkEye/ICB on the other hand, although "in the know" to a significant number of regulars, do fall into the fringes of the types of ID's I was talking about. I can't remember when it was that I became aware of the Hawk/ICB thing, and at the time I thought I'd asked someone on the mod team to followup with ICB (he's always been ICB to me) and ask him which ID he wanted to keep and which he wanted deactivated... after that I don't know what happened but frankly it was never a high priority on my brain and I forgot all about it until being reminded today. I've since asked ICB to let me know which ID he wants to keep and we'll be getting rid of the other one.

Thanks,
SB

"Some more IP details"
Posted by SurvivorBlows on 02-21-03 at 01:16 AM
I just want to address this idea of "faulty" IP addresses that seems to be persisting in the minds of some users. There are a number of reasons I'm not going to reveal the particulars of the details of the investigation, but I want to make it clear that there's nothing "faulty" about the conclusion, the evidence is quite clear with all possibilities examined and analyzed.

Even the ever popular "MK kidnapped her ID(s)" doesn't hold water -- all these possibilities were carefully investigated and considered, this had been an open, active investigation that was already underway before the events of last evening and was not treated trivially. With all due respect, do not speak of matters on which you are not qualified and do not spread additional gossip and rumor. And please do not presume to "know" what the adminstrative team knew and when they knew it, it always amazes me what people think they "know."

Thanks,
SB

"Roni, if you are reading this"
Posted by LadyT on 02-21-03 at 02:49 AM
I am stunned. Betrayed, shocked and stunned and in a state of disbelief. My immediate question is why? I know I will never get an answer to this, but I am stunned.

I have tears in my eyes. Roni, we have been here since the beginning and I know it's odd since we haven't ever met, but I felt like we were friends. When I came here tonight and noticed that I had to log in, I knew someone was banned but I never thought it could possibly be you.

I don't even know how to end this, so I just will.


"RE: Roni, if you are reading this"
Posted by dabo on 02-21-03 at 03:26 AM
This has all been very sad and shocking. Though the evidence leaves no room for reasonable doubt, I still find it difficult to believe that the Roni I knew around here was capable of making those Taiyo attack posts. Let us pray that whatever unhappiness she is experiencing in her life, she will find a way to defeat it and return to herself. I will always remember the happy, irreverent dancer, the diligent stringer/reporter, the gentle lady I sometimes had the priviledge of sharing time with in chat. Peace.