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"Romney has a few words on the 99 47%."

Posted by Estee on 09-18-12 at 06:47 AM
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/17/controversial-private-fund-raiser-video-shows-candid-romney/?hpt=hp_t1

All I'm asking is that no one call him a uniter just yet.



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"RE: Romney has a few words on the 99 47%."
Posted by Snidget on 09-18-12 at 07:42 AM
So which part of the 47% are the elite smart people?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/rick-santorum-tells-audience-smart-people-side-article-1.1161335


"RE: Romney has a few words on the 99 47%."
Posted by Estee on 09-18-12 at 07:57 AM
Not sure. But he personally attended Penn State, so let's assume that's where he learned to rape America.

"RE: Romney has a few words on the 99 47%."
Posted by cahaya on 09-18-12 at 09:23 AM
Romney: "I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives," he added. "What I have to do is convince the 5 percent to 10 percent in the center that are independents, that are thoughtful."

I'm an independent. Check.

Santorum: "We will never have the elite, smart people on our side... So our colleges and universities, they're not going to be on our side," he added. "The basic premise of America and American values will always be sustained through two institutions — the church and the family."

I'm a smart university employee. Check.

So, who would I vote for?

D on the ballot. Check.


"RE: Romney has a few words on the 99 47%."
Posted by Snidget on 09-18-12 at 09:32 AM
I'm still trying to figure out why so many of these anti-elites and anti-education politicians have college degrees and usually advanced degrees?

I mean surely they didn't need them to get ahead and gain power, influence and earn money.


"RE: Romney has a few words on the 99 47%."
Posted by cahaya on 09-18-12 at 09:42 AM
LAST EDITED ON 09-18-12 AT 10:22 AM (EST)

I'll leave it to you to guess which category of post-grad degree is the most common amongst national politicians.

(eta) Some of us "smart" people actually bother to do a little research from primary sources.


"RE: Romney has a few words on the 99 47%."
Posted by greenmonstah on 09-18-12 at 11:59 AM
There must be some obscure tax write off for running for President. That has to be it.



"RE: Romney has a few words on the 99 47%."
Posted by Estee on 09-18-12 at 12:37 PM
I have wondered (for all political parties in all countries across time) just how much money gets skimmed out of what's been raised. Especially with the PACs: that's a huge pot of money and there are a lot less agencies keeping an eye on it.

"RE: Romney has a few words on the 99 47%."
Posted by cahaya on 09-18-12 at 02:01 PM
LAST EDITED ON 09-18-12 AT 02:11 PM (EST)

Interestingly, it depends on the type of PAC (including the so-called Leadership PAC and Super PAC).

A PAC may donate directly to a candidate, but there are strict limits on donation amounts. A SuperPAC, however, does not actually donate to a campaign; instead it incurs expenditures (of only certain types) to promote a candidate. There is also another kind of PAC that is issue position-based only (e.g., pro-life) that must be made without reference to a specific candidate and these are not regulated.

Considering that most of the money is pouring out from SuperPACs...

Technically known as independent expenditure-only committees, Super PACs may raise unlimited sums of money from corporations, unions, associations and individuals, then spend unlimited sums to overtly advocate for or against political candidates. Super PACs must, however, report their donors to the Federal Election Commission on a monthly or quarterly basis -- the Super PAC's choice -- as a traditional PAC would. Unlike traditional PACs, Super PACs are prohibited from donating money directly to political candidates.

In addition to direct contributions to federal candidates and the national parties, many organizations also spent money on their own to influence elections. Strict rules govern these expenditures and they must be reported to the Federal Election Commission. There are two kinds:

Independent expenditures are ads that expressly advocate the election or defeat of specific candidates and are aimed at the electorate as a whole. Under federal rules, these expenditures must be made completely independent of the candidates, with no coordination, and they can only be made by the organization's PAC.

Internal communication costs are internal political messages generally aimed only at the members of a union or organization, or company executives. These may be coordinated with the candidates and can be paid for directly from the organization's treasury.

Not included in these totals are funds spent for so-called "issue ads" that don't explicitly call for any candidates' election or defeat. That spending is not reported to the FEC.

Sources:
FEC
OpenSecrets PAC donation tracker

Restore Our Future (Romney) is by far the big kahuna of the SuperPACs, raising almost $90 million, spending over $82 million of that.

Independent Expenditures, Communication Costs and Coordinated Expenses as of September 18, 2012:

Grand Total: $82,491,407
Total For Democrats: $0
Total Against Democrats: $28,484,247 (Obama)
Total For Republicans: $14,015,165 (Romney)
Total Against Republicans: $39,991,995 (vs Gingrich & Santorum during the primaries)

The traditional PAC account for less in donations expenditures, but they can contribute directly toward the candidate, including the candidates' own expenditures (and family staffers and other staffers). There is room here for a lot of gratuity that can go directly to the candidate and their family.

Having said that, there are ways to show your appreciation for your SuperPAC donor (to the tune of a million dollars).


"I can't stand to see this"
Posted by moonbaby on 09-19-12 at 08:51 AM
when that money could be used for so many worthy things instead of the snake oil salemanship that is politics. Gag.

Another thing-how come programs that help people in need is considered big government but making taxes more favorable for certain factions is not?


"RE: Romney has a few words on the 99 47%."
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 09-18-12 at 07:18 PM
Mittens is really on a roll, huh?

Here's more...

Do almost half really pay no taxes?

And...

Mitt says that Obama is overseeing the worst jobs recovery since the Great Depression ... is it really?


*waits to be told that it's "an embarrassingly dumb attempt to spin the argument" and that I would able to "argue better than that," or that it is a figment of the liberal media's imagination.*