>I guess you all can not
>comment on the truth lol!Peace
>

What is the truth? You are right that we cannot know what is "real" from a one hour edited television program. But did Antonia not say that she is "too pretty to take the bus"? Did she not blame the _credit card companies_ because they had the audacity to send her applications for credit cards (because, after all, she is so important that every credit card company in the country "knows" her income and therefore "knows" that she doesn't have the money to pay back what she buys on credit). Iyanla was right...she is a thief if she knowingly buys on credit things that she cannot afford to pay for and when she decides that "life is too short" and why should I "stress myself out" by working and paying my debts. Sorry, dbarros, but her own words condemn her. I'm sure she is not a bad person and in fact I'm quite charmed by her although I loath her attitude and her sense of entitlement. She is anything but a "victim" in her current situation. I have a father who was not involved in my life, and who expressed his "love", in the early years, with material things. And I am now one of the most unmaterialistic people you will every hope to meet. It ain't all daddy's fault, and she needs to step up and take responsibility for herself and her actions. Once she does that, I for one will be her biggest supporter and cheerleader.

Is Antonia really that bad? (Question goes out to all)Antonia and I don't watch the show so we don't really know how they edit her! We both work during the day so we really can not see whats going on... just remember its TV certain things might me hightened or made more dramatic that how she may really feel. I know what she has said and believe me its only about half as bad!I hope ya'll keep watching it sound like a real looker!

>Is Antonia really that bad? (Question
>goes out to all)Antonia and
>I don't watch the show
>so we don't really know
>how they edit her! We
>both work during the day
>so we really can not
>see whats going on... just
>remember its TV certain things
>might me hightened or made
>more dramatic that how she
>may really feel. I
>know what she has said
>and believe me its only
>about half as bad!I hope
>ya'll keep watching it sound
>like a real looker!

She did come across pretty bad yesterday. And I know editors like to skew things but all they have to work with are the words that people say, and yesterday Antonia did say some pretty astonishing things. But today when they went through her bills she did admit that her situation was her own fault and that she needed to take responsibility for it. She also seemed grateful for the chance to meet with a well-known financial advisor and acknowledged that people pay thousands of dollars just for the chance to hear him speak. So maybe she is not as far gone as we might have been led to believe by the first impression. And as I said in my previous message, there is alot to like about Antonia, but the sense of entitlement is what really gets to me (and, in fairness to her, she did admit today that she does feel entitled, so hopefully she'll work on that!)

You mention she was raised primarily by her mother so why would Iyanla address father issues? An absent father is a father problem. A girl missing her Dad or with an unavailable father keeps trying to resolve her situation with her father with other men unless she's fixed the situation with her father.

It's common for men to push away their daughters so it seems like everybody is healing that problem. Plenty of men tune out their daughters for a variety of reasons - not always intentional. Separations could be from divorce, cheating on the mom, addictions, working super long hours, or just being very uncomfortable with a growing teenager daughter. It's hard for many men to stay involved in a girl's life but it's such an important role for a father. Lots of fathers think it's the womens job to raise the daughters and just don't realize they are the first most important relationship for their daughters.

Iyanla seems to go pretty quickly from taking them from "acknowledge and heal it" to "own it". I think it's valuable for people to feel like they have their hurts acknowledged if only so they don't harbor resentments forever.

I don't think the mental gap about stealing is just an age gap. Irresponsibility takes all kinds. Lots of people think if they can get away with not paying something they charged on credit cards that the Big Bad Corporate Machine or The Other (Rich) People can just go ahead and pay it. Whether they use other people's credit card numbers, just let their credit cards go to collections, or declare bankruptcy because they just couldn't stop buying more more more clothes and manicures they didn't need it's irresponsible. If you are mature and realize that the money comes from other people then you realize you're making other people pay for stuff you kept - and you think it's theft. If you don't think of it that way then theft to you is stuffing the shirt in your bag and walking out the store.

I had someone use my credit cards, charge up stuff and tell me about these great things "she bought". It took me til I got the bills later that I noticed. It was easy to trace. I don't wear size zero pants and oh, she used her own name.

She acted like it was no big deal since the credit card company didn't charge me. To her it was "so what?". I was really hurt because she tried to steal from me, she snuck the credit cards out of my wallet in my sleep, and she had been my friend - before. She went on her merry way with her new phone and clothes. I was furious and very hurt. (she was about 30 y/o)

Good observations, Twinkles. The moral breakdown in our society certainly shows up in the number of bankruptcies these days. That's what happens when "truth" becomes relative. We moderns are so good at avoiding, even denying, absolute Truth. Antonia needs to work until she collapses in exhaustion. Then, when payday comes, she should get nothing and be told that someone else felt entitled to her money - so they took it. Big deal. What's all the fuss? Sorry, but I am so mad. I don't find her behavior at all "cute".

(P.S ... no, I'm not saying that ALL folks who declare B-ruptcy are thieves)

I'd like to know why she is hanging out in clubs when she can't afford it and when she refuses to pay her bills and take care of the debt that she knowingly incurred. She is extremely irresponsible, selfish and has entitlement issues. She feels what is hers is hers and what is yours is hers. She seems to expect everyone else to pay what she refuses to pay when she skips out on bills so she can have fun and enjoy life as she stated in group today. What a freeloader!

What a spoiled brat. She acts much younger than she actually is. Even Iyanla couldn't believe what she was hearing. Wait til the novelty of a new housemate wears off and the other housemates let her have it. The fur is going to fly!

What I will say about Antonia is that she's definately NOT passive aggressive... no hidden problems... she is right out there, not pretending anything... and that is refreshing. I also think she's in quite a mess. I hope she does come around.

Yeah, she is unreal but at least she doesn't seem to be another bobbleheaded HM that's just going to agree with Iyanla so she can hurry up and get to the grad gift. I'm looking forward to watching her 'grow up' and hopefully learn some much needed lessons in reality.

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I don't know exactly when this was taped but I would believe she's going to be subject to the new federal bankruptcy laws which don't account for being young, stupid, and entitled.

Lots of people fail to understand that the rest of us do pay in higher prices, fees, etc. when others don't pay. The credit companies and merchants don't just suck it up when people steal or default on payments. So when Jill shop lifted and Antonia defaults on payments people pay, it the rest of us who pick up the tab for idiots like them who feel entitled to have stuff they can't afford and are too lazy to work for. It isn't a victimless crime or sticking it to a big corporation. That corpoation is going to get that money from somewhere else and other people do pay for it with higher prices or costs.

Antonia is just one of many who feel she is entitled to have everything without working for anything.

Edited after watching today's episode:

I definitly think she came on thinking SO was going to help her write off her debts or negotiate with her creditors to get debt write off/consolidation/reduction and didn't really expect to have to do anything. I laughed when she told the debt expert she hated being told she had to reduce what she spent. I liked his comment about spending her money wisely and not wasting it. I do wonder if she'll complete his money making assignment or blow the cash on a spending spree. I did find IV's credit card bracelets funny and her reaction that IV was joking was right on cue. How many of these women so blindly accept wondering in pond scum without so much as a whimper.

Me, personally agree with the posts that she is going to bring some major drama in a fun way to the boring lately starting over house she does have a sense of humor and that is refreshing in a way, so I say good luck to her JMHO, peace

short&sassy

>Me, personally agree with the posts
>that she is going to
>bring some major drama in
>a fun way to the
>boring lately starting over house
>she does have a sense
>of humor and that is
>refreshing in a way, so
>I say good luck to
>her JMHO, peace
>
>
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>short&sassy

Yeah, I think she will be a refreshing addition to the house. It had gotten so boring that I almost stopped watching. I don't agree with a lot of things she has done, but hopefully while in the house she will be able to mature and grow, and see that being responsible is part of being an adult.

I'm actually looking forward to IV trying to break her. There have been too many willing guest jumping into the swamp with her. The fact that Antonia actually questioned IV about having to wear the braclet of credit cards and challenged her about it made me laugh so hard. I'm curious to know how IV will handle any further incidents of non-compliance.

Too pretty to ride the bus!! Well at the rate she's going pretty soon she won't even have enough money to have the bus drive her smelly a$$ around. What a stupid thing for her to say. She needs to come down to her level and man looking in her closet and at her stack of bills that is a very low level. She is young and she can change but she had better get real...quick. Maybe Karrine and XXXtina can give her some life lessons on how to fund an extravagant lifestyle with no real means and a pretty face.

The meeting with Rich Dad-Poor Dad guy was interesting. I've seen him on PBS. She said (in a voice over, I think) about being rich that she wanted diamonds and pearls and she talked about "looking rich". Later she explained to Iyanla that she understood that being rich was spending money on the right things.

I remember when it dawned on me that people who are rich are the ones who don't spend it. Yes, this was actually something that had to dawn on me. lol

Seems like a big step for Antonia to go right into the concepts of investing and thinking rich. As usual, she doesn't value working for a dollar and doesn't know how to keep $1 in her pocket. Now she's got an assignment to turn $100 into $500.

Maybe she can buy some art supplies and sell some dazzling artwork at the Farmers Market.

You know that was my first thought too about Christina's art. Meeting with a financial advisor is fine. How about meeting with gasp a JOB councilor to find out about getting a JOB. Shocking I know but if the child is $24,000 in debt with the interest growing while she's in SO I'm thinking waitressing at night since they have so much free time with nothing to do wouldn't be a bad idea to earn some money to start paying on those bills.

Exactly my feelings about the JOBS. And if they really wanted to help these women they'd require they hold some sort of JOB for a minimum of four hours a day. Or even volunteer work. SOMETHING besides laying around on their fat lazy butts gossiping, smoking, eating, napping, and god knows what else.

I'm sure there would be businesses in the area that would hire them on a part-time temporary basis. Maybe like Curves or Jenny Craig, the local technical college, etc. These women are LAZY beyond belief and it's that I notice more than anything.

Antonia has already started looking just a loopy lazy as the rest of them, boy that didn't take long.

Did anyone see Oprah the other day? It was the exact same thing, a girl who felt entitled to buy stuff and was over a hundred thousand in debt... What is with the entitlement...She said she felt "pressured"... dont we all want stuff? The problem is people think there are no penalties. They should let people like Antonia go to the poorhouse, we all have debts and we pay them off, even if it means taking the "bus" and maybe even working at a "restaurant". I am surprised Antonia isnt a drinker, smoker,drug user, she seems into instant gratification... I have nothing against her personaly, I think she must have gotten it from her parents..

I've heard the advice of this guy and I understand people are better off financially if they are investors or business owners. Tax and income-wise the worker-bee is the bottom of the totem pole.

Does the investment counselor realize,though, that Antonia is in Day 1 of trying to get out of denial of her debts? I think his usual audience are WORKING people in normal jobs who ARE PAYING minimums on their credit cards, not people who ignore them entirely then go out dancing for the night.

But what gets me is that you have to start somewhere with some motivation. He handed her the $100. I'd like an exercise where she takes her own money and risks it to see what she can do with it. That's a whole different feeling. Hasn't she spent enough of other people's $?

I'm also with you folks who are concerned that she's going to just get some handouts from the SO house. It's happened before. -You need to earn $100 by the end of the day. - You earned $90 - Close enough, here's $10 so we can call it earning $100. -Here's your graduation present: the rest of the $1500 you need, you earning it...(wha???) -

*goes to look up "earn" in the dictionary*

Too pretty to ride the bus?

That has to be just an expression that means she thinks she's really beautiful and classy, right? Because honestly, she looks just like thousands of people who ride the bus everyday. She fits right in. I probably wouldn't notice her.

BTW: anyone catch Iyanla's statement at the door, "Having a bad hair day?" Silly Iyanla, that's her wild and sexy hairstyle. (I noticed she pulled some of it back before her meeting with the financial advisor. Such power in Iyanla's words!)

WARNING - There is an entire generation of instant gratification born in the early 1980's, and they are about to hit the ground running...(not everyone, of course)

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My favorite part of today's show:

Antonia - (Answering the door)

Iyanla - Hi, what's wit yer hair?

Antonia - This is my free look.

Iyanla - Free? Free from what, a comb?

I thought it was rude and mean spirited, especially with the look on Iyanlas face after she said it. But it was still funny, even more so because it was arrogant Antonia.

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>My favorite part of today's show:
>
>
>Antonia - (Answering the door)
>
>Iyanla - Hi, what's wit yer
>hair?
>
>Antonia - This is my free
>look.
>
>Iyanla - Free? Free from what,
>a comb?
>
>I thought it was rude and
>mean spirited, especially with the
>look on Iyanlas face after
>she said it. But it
>was still funny, even more
>so because it was arrogant
>Antonia.

Hi Zoey...whether it was mean and rude shouldn't matter, that's what's wrong with Antonia now, "noone has bothered to tell her the truth"...it wasn't cute and Iyanla let her know that..it was hilarious (IMO)

**edited to add** She reminds me of Alicia Keys...they could almost pass for twins...except the attitude and they're both soo inner city it seems.

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BTW: anyone catch Iyanla's statement at the door, "Having a bad hair day?" Silly Iyanla, that's her wild and sexy hairstyle. (I noticed she pulled some of it back before her meeting with the financial advisor. Such power in Iyanla's words!)

WARNING - There is an entire generation of instant gratification born in the early 1980's, and they are about to hit the ground running...(not everyone, of course)

Iyanla reminds me of the type of women who use to be in the neighborhood...who often gave out wise advice to young wayward girls when their moms couldn't reach them...she was the one spirit you listened to and took their advice because you knew they had your best interest at heart (you know the worldly woman who'd made her mistakes and could put you on the right path after seeing you start to take the wrong road)... her power is very real .

Your warning is on target...this generation you speak feels extremely entitled...as I said, earlier...their parents have failed them...they haven't prepared them to become responsinle human beings and it's really going to cost them in the end.

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Iv was talking to her like she was a daughter, kind of different but effective. They all need some more of that!!

(I noticed she pulled some of it
>back before her meeting with
>the financial advisor. Such
>power in Iyanla's words!)
>
>WARNING - There is an
>entire generation of instant gratification
> born in the early
>1980's, and they are about
>to hit the ground running...(not
>everyone, of course)
>
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I'm glad if Iyanla's words have power with Antonia and that Antonia respects her. I don't think Antonia pulled her hair back because of IV's comment. That would make her too much of a child to me, and Antoinia is not a child. She's a young woman who has made some very irresponsible choices. So no I don't think that was the case at all.

I'm glad that Iyanla is her life coach, because Iyanla sees the big picture. Antonia doesn't. Odds are one day Antonia's gonna be a wife & mother. IMO It's not just about material things and the good life. It's about what kind of woman does she really want to be in this world? So I'm looking forward to watching the two of them.

I'm glad Antoinia's at the SOH 'cuz there are ALOT of "Antonia's" out there.

>The meeting with Rich Dad-Poor Dad
>guy was interesting. I've seen
>him on PBS. She said
>(in a voice over, I
>think) about being rich that
>she wanted diamonds and pearls
>and she talked about "looking
>rich". Later she explained to
>Iyanla that she understood that
>being rich was spending money
>on the right things.
>
>I remember when it dawned on
>me that people who are
>rich are the ones who
>don't spend it.

This is so true!
My Uncle is a millionaire, but you'd never know it by looking at him. Yeah, he has a nice house and car, but his clothes aren't fancy and he sucks at tips! haha. We alway say that the reason he has so much is because he doesn't spend it...Yep. We poorer people go around spending on stuff that isn't going to make us rich.

So far, this "storyline" about Antonia's finances just illustrates how SO/Iyanla has no consistency or integrity. How can Iyanla "deliver her lines" with a straight face? Isn't she embarrassed to tell Antonia with absolute authority, "You are a thief if you don't pay your bills" after helping Allison Stanley "steal" on a larger scale? At least some of 24 year old Antonia's $24,000 debt involves student loans...39 year old Allison racked up $35,000+ debt buying atrocious outfits and junk jewelry, and clown makeup and, oh, I forgot, spices and a pencil can. (It's been well established that the vast majority of Allison's debt came from careless spending rather than medical expenses.) Antonia needs to learn to live within her means, but Iyanla told Allison that her problem was that she just wasn't livin' large enough. Allison, dream BIG!! Ask the Universe for a job where you make gobs of money working only 3 days out of the week! Ask the Universe for what you want! Don't be a sucker workin' hard like everyone else. You are entitled! Keep spendin' Allison...you need a new peasant top every two hours or so.

What changed, Iyanla? I mean, besides the bankruptcy laws.

Hey, give Allison a break! You may laugh now, but clown make-up isn't something you can just pick up at the drug store - that stuff is professional and it's expensive - especially in industrial drums. And can anyone really have enough pencil cans?

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I think it will be interesting because she is the first guest in a long time who hasn't blindly followed IV's instructions or attempted to get help or stop an activity behind IV's back (like Jill with the suit cases). I laughed so hard when she challenged IV on those stupid bracelets. It will be interesting to see if after having so many zombies as clients who would jump in the swamp what this child will do when IV makes those demands of her.

Antonia is indeed a spitfire...she missed her lesson on tact...she's extremely "honest to a fault" and I'm not sure whether it will hinder her progress or help it. She's definitely got a lot to learn about people....I see something in her that has been misguided, but she's seems open to the help she came to SO for and hopefully, Iyanla will be the best person to help her gain a foothole on her life before it gets any worse than it already is.

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We mods are reconsidering our policy as to what degree just mentioning the end-of-episode previews of the next episode constitutes spoiling.

But for now, I'll remove this post. The important thing is we want to keep all speculation about future episodes in the Spoiler forum. That policy won't change.

ROFLMAO!!! Good points, Snow & Seasoned!!

So pretty on the outside, so ugly on the inside. I only have one word for Antonia, STUPID!

I like Antonia-BUT-Agree shes living in fantasy land-She has one AWESOME debt to clear up-Thats for SURE!I think Iyanla will put the "Smack-Down" on her for real-Gotta admit it cracked me up when she had to wear those credit card Bracelets-Poor Antonia-She doesnt know what shes in for!!PEACE

I found it rather funny when antonia said, well the credit card company just keeps sending the cards. Um well, you don't have to use them sweetheart!!!!! DUH!! Cut them in half when they come in the mail. I do. Or, shred the forms to get them. If you are already in debt, hmmmmmmm why do you want to be further in debt??? Any thoughts on this ladies???????????????

We need the just say No campaign to entitlement like we started with Drugs.

No just because you see it on TV, your friends have it, etc. it doesn't mean you are entitled to have it unless you earn it with the work of your own hands.

Antonia actually is not that far out there for her generation. She is all too "real" for people who believe that somehow they are above having to work for what they want. IV needs to correct that attitude although she has never done so with Christine or Allison.

I would LOVE to see SO skip the silly swamps, massive wall charts, random phone calls to lost relatives and have Antonia simply

GET A JOB and follow through with showing up on time and keeping it.

Then make a budget and STICK TO IT. Feel what it takes to work several hours for that Lobster Roll and then decide if it is worth spending your OWN money on it.

Baxtera wrote: We need the just say No campaign to entitlement...Antonia actually is not that far out there for her generation. She is all too "real" for people who believe that somehow they are above having to work for what they want"

Isn't that the sad truth? I'm not even sure if a lot of them have figured out that they will have to pay for what they NEED.

Courtesy of Mom and Dad, today's middle-class kids have access to a lot of goodies. Home computers, laptops, internet, I-Pods, cell-phones, portable DVD players, 1000 channels on the cable or satellite..there's a lot of technology to be purchased. The problem is, how are these young people going to pay for all of this stuff when they need to pay the utility bill or the rent? It won't be a problem for the entire generation, but it will be for a lot of them.

Antonia may be more typical than we would like to believe. Can you imagine starting out with so much against you? And the ironic thing is that she did it to herself! The woman can't even rent an apartment!

I've often wondered why there isn't a required course for all highschool seniors that would address these issues in depth: credit card company reps on college campuses, unsolicited credit cards in the mail, interest rates, finance charges, what wage garnishments and repossessions are, the three major credit reporting agencies, getting a copy of a credit report, interpreting a credit score, and how that score will affect every major purchasing decision of their lives.

I have nothing against a study hall, but wouldn't this be more useful? Antonia's position is bad for everyone.

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Well you can thank no child left behind and the thousands of hours put into testing not teaching as to why there is no financial basics course in high school. We're so busy teaching to the tests and taking the tests we've cut out anythign not tested. If we'd actually put some practical things back in education and take out some time devoted to beating kids over the head about tests on information they don't use when they leave high school we might make life more practical. Wouldn't it make sense if we tested kids on real math as in financial math, and reading that was based on their rights and responsiblitites as citizens of the US? Ah well I digress.

As for Antonia I loved it today when she was getting charged for everything and had no idea what she was spending and just assumed everyone would do for her for free, especially when she expected Jodi to make the bed and Niambia to do her nails. This spending thing is the first IV exercise I've actually liked.

>
>I've often wondered why there isn't
>a required course for all
> highschool seniors that would
>address these issues in depth:
> credit card company reps
>on college campuses, unsolicited credit
>cards in the mail, interest
>rates, finance charges, what wage
>garnishments and repossessions are, the
>three major credit reporting agencies,
>getting a copy of a
>credit report, interpreting a credit
>score, and how that score
>will affect every major purchasing
>decision of their lives.

Thanks SR & Baxtera for the insightful posts! Sadly, I think there are A TON of Antonia's out there. I don't think she's a bad person.I just think that she lacks money management skills and impulse control. And Seasoned I agree 100% that personal money management,credit and how to handle it responsibly should be a part of every high school Seniors Economics course. And it should be A BIG PART. They should be required to go home and get an accounting of every monthly bill their parent has to pay.And they should do mock budgets for what their expenses will be when they are out on their own. I think they can be supplied with the information on money management but then they have to have the maturity to apply it and the parent has to step in.Financial problems can be very difficult to undo.I think it is within Iyanla's capabilities to help Antonia.But she is going to have to have a willingness to do what it takes and I'm not sure she has that.She has some VERY BAD spending habits and she may end up learning these lessons the HARD WAY.

What is with the entitlement...Someone asked? That is what a lot of young kids think today. Because they have grown up having everything handed to them. They feel if they see it on TV or someone else has it they should have it too. They are entitiled.....Parents do kids no favors if they spoil them and lead them to believe that they are entitiled to have whatever they DESIRE. Antonia has no concept of what money management or savings skills are. She has a credit card and she spends. She takes no resposnibltiy for her part in spending herself into debt. She also has nothing to show for it. She showed Iguana her closet which held a few meger things and said she had no idea what she did with what she had. She liked to throw things away is what I recall her saying. But she is funny and a breath of fresh air in a very stagnat SO house. When she answered the door to Iguana with her hair all wild and all over the place and Iguana said did you lose your comb, I fell out of my chair. Antonia just blew it off and I think that is probably what she will do in the SO house, blow it all off. But she will be fun to watch. I missed my laugh for the day when Lisa1 left but Antonia will keep me laughing as she doesnt have a clue. This is better than the movie Clueless because this is for real.

When you think about a lot of the houseguests they all have felt the "entitlement" in some way or another. Allison had her credit card issues, so did Lisa, the wieght issues too and alcohol-Jill and Jodie have been mad when other people could eat and they couldnt, Christie mad that other can drink an she cant. Its the inability to take resonsability for your own actions. I love it when they call all those things "diseases" I eat, spend too much because I have a disease, Bullshit. Its apathy.

My problem with Antonia isn't so much that she's a brat, which she is-- but why is she IN the SO house??? She clearly DOESN'T CARE that she's in trouble. So let her stay that way.

I'm starting to think she doesn't even believe half the stuff she says. She's full of it. When she got the $630 from Iyanla, she was complaining to make a show for the cameras. She probably has one dime and a quarter in her pocket, she was just bummed the money wasn't real.

I would really like Iyanla to just "lay into her" instead of the teasing, light hearted jabs at her lifestyle and attitude.

I would really like Iyanla to just "lay into her" instead of the teasing, light hearted jabs at her lifestyle and attitude.

Hi Omniscia...I believe that Iyanla may be approaching Antonia's problem much like she does...from a sense of carefreeness that she can relate to.

Antonia treats her debt as if it's no big thing and this seems to me, to be a way to teach her that everything has a "cost" attached...something, this young woman has no "clue" about (living expenses...necessities vs luxuries)...and It's sad to say this is why most young adults fail at an attempt to live on their own...they haven't been prepared for a "sound financial life".

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Hi there.

Yeah, I see what you mean... I just can't believe Antonia has no shame about it. I'm exactly her age, and grew up in Boston-- and she is giving my generation a baaaaaaaad rep. Eck!

>>>"I'm starting to think she doesn't even believe half the stuff she says. She's full of it. When she got the $630 from Iyanla, she was complaining to make a show for the cameras. She probably has one dime and a quarter in her pocket, she was just bummed the money wasn't real."

Omniscia ~ I'm thinking along the same lines as you. I think Antonia is a spoiled entitled brat that thinks she's the cutest thing that has hit the planet so emphasized her "drama" to get selected for SO. I get the feeling she is one of those that was looking for her 15 minutes from a reality show because afterall, everyone will adore her ... "I'm just so cute and funny. I'll be THE one that brings in soooo many viewers. The show will come back to life because of M-E!" ... a la SpitUpLisa. And like Lisa, she will have to continually play her role. Don't get me wrong, I thought Lisa was as much of an idiot as she portrayed, she just acted it up for the cameras. She too thought she'd come across as so cute & funny. Lisa's problem was, she wasn't smart enough to have thought through her "character" development after she got on the show.

That being said, Antonia's underlying issue is, sadly, representative of much of this young adult entitled, have-it-all generation. My daughter is close in age to Antonia. I see it every day. It IS fun to give our kids stuff but the minute we'd see even the slightest signs of entitlement we'd quickly put the brakes on.

I'm old enough that we DID have a HS course similar to the one SR's suggested: >>>"a required course for all highschool seniors that would address these issues in depth: credit card company reps on college campuses, unsolicited credit cards in the mail, interest rates, finance charges, ..."<<< It was also a part of a Business Economics course in college. Then again, as Baxtera said ... they don't have that on the standardized testing so no time to teach it. The test for that comes, not as one final exam, but as a way of life that can eat you alive and follow you the rest of your life!

I've seen it just as bad in college graduates who DO get a job but don't have a concept of "after tax income" and that the entirety of their check isn't available for fun, clothes, and entertainment! Somehow, they think their rent, utilities, food, & car payment (for that cute little sports car they went out and purchased on credit the day they found out they had a job) are going to magically be covered! They honestly feel they had to work sooo hard in college that for the rest of their life the "universe" owes them all-fun all-things all the time. I put myself thru college, worked several jobs, and still found that the easiest and most fun part.

Have we as parents failed to teach our children that awesome feeling of working HARD for something and succeeding? Of the inner sense of satisfaction of achieving something that we have to struggle for? You want self-esteem ... THAT'S where you can find boat loads of it. Feeding your ego does NOT increase self-esteem! Self esteem comes ONLY from inside yourself. Fun, acquiring things, acting important, "stardom", etc. are strictly ego-feeding. And feed the ego and you are feeding a huge monster that just continues to get bigger & need more "feeding". Build your self esteem with hard work, accomplishments, etc. and you don't need to constantly feed the ego monster.

OK, back down from the soap box!!!!!

I have to agree with you. When I was in college (back when there were still dinosaurs) the credit card companies didn't just send you applications, they paid people to set up tables and stop you walking into the student union and offer to help you apply along with a "gift" or two (usually a coffee mug or water bottle etc.). I did get one credit card in college, but I probably could have gotten 4 or 5 more. I was putting myself through college and didn't have a dime to spare (Top Ramen and baked potatoes were the usual dinner fare) but being in college somehow made me an attractive credit risk. When I graduated, I owed about $500 on my credit card. I was so ashamed because I couldn't pay off my balance at one time. I viewed that almost as stealing because I bought beyond my means. I paid off this debt the second I could. I guess some people view credit cards not as a debt that must some day be repaid, but as "free money" and therefore get as many as they can. Wierd thinking, in my opinion

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Am waiting for when Antonia fiunds out about the food money allowance.

Will she go along with the way things are:

Pooling the money

Or

Will she want her share of the money and then eat the food others bought?

Would make for drama since it seems Jodi and Christie have a monopoly on the food: They seem to be eating all the time.

OK, I fell down laughing when Antonia said that she was "Too pretty to ride the bus," because, in my trade? That's slang for "ambulance." I stopped for a minute, and had to realize she meant public transportation. I laughed at myself, yes, and her! Can you imagine someone believing they are too pretty to be in the back of an ambulance??! Hopefully, Antonia won't need one, though--they are expensive rides. She probably can't afford either "bus" and that isn't about whether or not she's "pretty." She really IS too much.

Hi. I'm new here, but I just have to say that I am DISGUSTED to have the college that I PROUDLY graduated from glaringly listed on Antonia's profile. Even though she only completed ONE year at Virginia Wesleayn College (and from her attitude i can understand WHY), I hate knowing that some people will now associate my college with HER and her selfish, egotistical, irresponsible attitude! UGGHHH! I hope she has a very rude awakening while on this show!

Yes, Antonia is a mess. However I think she wants to be a celebrity.
And quiet as it keep Summer also.

Evett726 ~ 2006

I'm jumping on the "Antonia is a kick" bandwagon. I really enjoy watching her and her sassy attitude! She's certainly not afraid to question Iyanla, and I find that refreshing and enjoyable. You also don't have to wonder what's on her mind, because she's also very vocal. Nice change I must say, and not at all boring.
Does she have issues? Well duh...if she didn't she wouldn't be at the SO House would she? I really think it's going to be a heck of a ride watching her and Iyanla work it all out!
Go Antonia!

Hey guys, did I miss something? Didn't Robert Kiyosaki, the author of Rich Dad, Poor Dad hand Antonia a $100 bill and give her an assignment that involved turning that $100 into $500 within a certain amount of time?

Has the time limit expired? Was the assignment ever addressed again, or did it just go by the wayside? Anyone know anything?

PS: I'm not sure I get the point of the exercise. Is it to show Antonia that she is financially clueless?

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I love watching Antonia too. I was just like that as I was growing up, spoiled, no idea of the value of money, and no idea of how to deal with bills. I think lots of young people are like that.

I died laughing at her when she fell on the floor after finding out she had to pay for the massage. She's a trip.