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"Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by lovemydogdude on 01-17-06 at 11:57 PM
IMO yes Kim is talking too much. It would be hard though..being in that house stuck with all those women she hardly knows, exploring her life on a painful level, needing to connect with her feelings. Kim is obviously nervous, trying too hard, she's the type that can't stand the thought of someone (i.e.Christina) not liking her, she's supposed to be connecting with her feelings but she's amoungst people she doesn't know, who are otherwise preoccupied.

I think it is so sad to watch, I'm sure the editing is making it look even worse..but at their dinner (for example) you could even see it in Jill's face...Kim was dominating the conversation. I hope for her sake that she chills a bit, doesn't work so hard trying to get Christina to like her (for example) cuz she's so not worth it anyways. She's not there to be friends with these women..she's there for self discovery. Is she avoiding feeling her feelings by focusing on relationships with these women?

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"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by OklaBlue on 01-18-06 at 00:02 AM
Yes, she talks a mile a minute.

Let's see if they put a "no talking" ban on her like they did with TJ, and make her ask the silent questions before speaking and use cue cards.

"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by Cleverone on 01-18-06 at 07:44 PM
>Yes, she talks a mile a
>minute.
>
>Let's see if they put a
>"no talking" ban on her
>like they did with TJ,
>and make her ask the
>silent questions before speaking and
>use cue cards.


I certainly hope so! She was driving me batty just watching her at dinner and in the one-sided conversation with the NuLisa....waaayyyy toooo much jabbering....she needs to cut the other HG's some slack....take a BREATH, why don't ya, Kim?

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"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by lanners on 01-19-06 at 04:21 AM
>I certainly hope so! She was
>driving me batty just watching
>her at dinner and in
>the one-sided conversation with the
>NuLisa....waaayyyy toooo much jabbering....she needs
>to cut the other HG's
>some slack....take a BREATH, why
>don't ya, Kim?
>

I agree! If i lived there i would have either hung myself or ran off screaming for the hills. The constant chatter would drive me INSANE!

You gotta give the houseguests mad props for putting up first with TJ's rambling and now with Kim the Motormouth. I know i couldn't do it.

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"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by GoodnightLittleBear on 01-18-06 at 00:04 AM
Yes I agree that Kim does way too much talking but Lisa, Christina, or Jill should call her on it right then and there instead of making faces and gossiping behind her back. They have been in that house long enough to know better. They had no problem telling TJ. Kim probably has no idea that she is talking so much and maybe she'll calm down but the other veteran houseguests are not helping whatsoever.
"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by julli96 on 01-18-06 at 00:16 AM
I think it would be extremely hard to come into the SO house at the point she did. The ones who have been there since day one are bonded...a new person comes in a couple days later, and a couple days later someone is graduating. It must be hard to find your place in the mix.

Coming in with the problems she did, I think it would of been wise to have her in the original group....She needs the friendship and bonding. Unfortunatley, I think she is going to get caught up in the drama of the "hello's" and "goodbye's" and struggle to find her spot. She needs serious help and may just get lost in the mix.


"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by lovemydogdude on 01-18-06 at 00:18 AM
I agree...they should be so much more compassionate with her. Christina's such a BEEYOTCH...and she has no room to talk. I've met many people who might talk too much, they're everywhere! On SO you would think they would have more patience, I think alot of it is pseudo-prestige as XXXtina thinks she's high and mighty.

I doubt they'll make Kim do exercises like TJ's cuz she's not there for personality...but instead deep serious issues. Just like Jessica or Allison..her issue is enough for them to deal with, they would tread lightly on this territory IMO. I hope that Jill calls XXXtina on her rudeness. Her little "what is gossip" session was a bunch of BS.

"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by MariJ on 01-18-06 at 12:31 PM
Yes, Christina is something else. What happened to her with her little speech to Christina about not gossiping? I guess is okay for her.

I agree that the HGs need to approach her. Although, I think TJ was very receptive to suggestions I sense it's hard to approach Kim. I wouldn't really know how to approach her. When Christina was talking to Jill, I got the distinct feeling that Jill didn't want to join in and was trying so hard to hold her tongue. I also see that Kim gets on Jill's nerves, but Jill is trying to take TJ's advice to not be so hard on her.

"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by Pixeltalk on 01-18-06 at 02:20 PM
I loved it when Kim said, "Well I know you were talking about me and talking in low tones so I couldn't hear...how is that different from what I was doing?" And Christina said, "We'll have to discuss this later." If she had been honest, she would have said, "Because I was doing that, and I do anything I want."
"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by Hunybuny on 01-18-06 at 00:15 AM
Yeah she babbles on, but I think it's mostly nerves.... what I can't understand is how that little brat Christina has the nerve to say to Kim " As your accountability partner, I blah blah blah," but yet will not take any time to get to know this woman, and has been outright rude to her, I'm sorry, but if some little skanky ho said that to me in that tone, I would have been escorted out of the house immediately...
"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by SOfan0221 on 01-18-06 at 07:44 AM
I agree. How does Christina have the right to be above gossip yet when Kim asked her about talking about her to another HG behind her back Miss Christina told her she would fill her in on the rules later.

I also noticed when Miss Christina went to take her second GED test that she still struts like she is going to the pole to dance. *yuck*

Kim is pitiful in her need to be acknowledged and fit in. Unfortunately she if putting a big gap between the remaining 'senior' HG's and herself. It is sad to watch but then with TJ graduating SO production has to make someone the bad guy and it looks like they are pointing the camera at Kim.

If I were here I would tell Miss Christina to stuff it where the sun don't shine and I would concentrate on my own problems and not so much on fitting in. This house is as cold as it was when the season started and this is the most selfish bunch of women.

"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by 26mitogo on 01-18-06 at 00:25 AM
Yeah ~ she is talking a lot but then again what is she suposed to do at this point? She strikes me as the type that stays busy all the time, has plenty of energy, and if she had something else to do, she would. I know I'd go NUTS in a house with people I didn't know, they are busy and acting like little queen b!tches, and I don't have anything to do. I'd be going from person to person just to keep from getting bored to death. Kim doesn't seem like she'd be able to just sit in her own little corner of the world reading a book. She needs something to occupy her.
"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by tac_2 on 01-18-06 at 00:34 AM
Yes, I think she talked too much today. I felt I was listening to someone on speed who was more interested in venting than really discussing anything. Maybe it was due to frustration but her monologue came off as pretty scattered and very difficult to follow.
Christina did the right thing by avoiding her, imo. I would have done exactly the same until she appeared more calm.
"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by lovemydogdude on 01-18-06 at 00:39 AM
Yes she talks too fast and her thoughts aren't "thought" out well enough first. I've been there though..I think she is sensitive to the amount of time she consumes during "her story" and that's why she speeds things up.

I was married for years to a tweeker who talked way way way too much, the joke used to be "is this gonna be a long story?" I became so sensitive to the amount of time spent during communication making it more 50/50 that I find myself actually talking as fast as I can so that I feel less guilty about the time it took.

"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by snowflake2 on 01-18-06 at 00:40 AM
Also, she keeps repeating that her husband doesn't talk with her, and that she sometimes feels he doesn't care about her. She doesn't have a good relationship with her mom & dad. She's most likely crippled in the area of making friends because she probably didn't get the chance to learn how to make them in her childhood years because she was too busy hiding the abuse. She couldn't bring a friend home to her house of squalor, where her father was likely to go nuts. Later, she probably expected to get her emotional needs met through her husband.

She probably bought into the notion of the "SO Sisterhood" and thought it was finally a safe place to vent all the emotions she's been holding in. HA HA HA HA HA!!!

When she talks about herself, the housemates giggle and roll their eyes. When she tries to learn about them, they say she is "interrogating" them.

Having said this, I admit I sometimes get panicky when people just can't shut up. But then again, I haven't taken myself to live in a house with 5 other women and a load of TV cameras.


"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by lovemydogdude on 01-18-06 at 00:59 AM
YES snowflake I so agree. We all meet people with different personalities. It is up to us whether we invest ourselves into continuing the friendship on an "aquaintance" level or choose to grow closer. The SO house, however, demands a certain level of tolerance (it would seem) where they work with what they got type of deal. If this were just life in general it would be a whole different picture.

"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by Labyrinth on 01-18-06 at 09:33 AM
>Also, she keeps repeating that her
>husband doesn't talk with her,
>and that she sometimes feels
>he doesn't care about her.

I don't think that Kim is doing anything different at the SO house then she does at home. If this surmise is true, then you can bet she follows her husband around, talking on and on and on - about herself. I imagine that Kim is walking after him saying "connect with me, connect with me!"

JMO but men like a lot of cool down time and doing nothing. The harder and more complex their job is the more they want time just to do nothing.

Men like to connect by holding hands and taking a walk. Or discussing issues after dinner. Or watching a television show together. Or maybe taking a shower or bath together.

They don't want to listen to a bunch of idle and worthless chatter that goes on ad on and is a train to nowhere.

> She doesn't have a
>good relationship with her mom
>& dad.

Right, but in Kim's situation she should tell Dad you are an abusing a**hole and get out of my life; and to mom, you abandoned me and left me to be beaten and almost die - goodbye.

She needs to get better mentors in her life who can serve as surrogate parents. I'm serious. This is what gay people will do when their parents reject them do their sexual orientation - they will instead seek out a supportive group of friends who can help them.

Kim is trying too hard with the other HG's. It took probably a month before the others gel'ed. Instead, Kim thinks talking incessantly about herself will make friends and that just doesn't happen. Yeah, I agree she learned these patterns in childhood but it's time for her to move on and learn better ones.

To make a friend - listen more Kim.

"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by Cleverone on 01-18-06 at 07:48 PM

<To make a friend - listen more Kim.>

Well said Lab.

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"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by Kattrikk on 01-18-06 at 01:19 AM
OMG when she was talking Lisa2's ear off today, she reminded me of someone on amphetemines. I am a substance abuse counselor and her speech pattern totally mimics someone who is high on speed!

I would be very surprised if this ends up being the case, but it is interesting how she can get going so fast and furious. The real clincher is that she recognizes it (remember when she said to Lisa2 something like "I know I talk too much and I might even be doing it right now and not even know that you are taking it that way"). That was paraphrased but my point is that she knew she was being too much, acknowledged it, and kept right on talking.

I agree that she most likely is just letting a lifetime of stifled communication out. I still don't feel like we've seen too much emotion from her yet, but when we do, it's going to be intense.

So LMDD, YES, I think she talks too much. It would drive me absolutely nuts but maybe this is what she needs right now. I hope that the ladies take TJ's advice and cut this one a little slack. I think she needs it!

"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by lovemydogdude on 01-18-06 at 01:40 AM
<It would drive me absolutely nuts but maybe this is what she needs right now. I hope that the ladies take TJ's advice and cut this one a little slack. I think she needs it!>

So true Kattrick..I think this is what she needs right now and it seems there is just no patience for her as far as XXXtina goes, Jill might of reacted at first negatively but I think TJ helped her to have some compassion.

If you haven't been able to talk for so long (Kim)..when you finally open up it would be overwhelming for anyone on the receiving end I'm sure.

I think it's good she's opening up..she probably has so many F up feelings that nothing comes out just right..but at least she's talking, trying to connect with her feelings. I think they're keeping Jill around so she can help, she's like the only one (hey she grew close to TJ and she didn't have such serious issues)Jill could overlook this and grow close to her..eventually.

"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by bejewelled on 01-18-06 at 04:38 AM
OMG when she was talking Lisa2's ear off today, she reminded me of someone on amphetemines.

Absolutely!

It isn't that she's simply talking a lot. I have very dear friends that do and, at times it can be irritating but I love them more than this one little habit. I've been asking myself what the difference is and I think it's that she simply isn't connecting. She ignores cues that the person she's talking to is giving and the subject is, (unless it's editing) always, always, always about her. I think you could set her alone in the room with the camera running and she would be just as happy.

Her talking isn't about connecting or communicating... it's about something else. It's almost like my little cousin that has a form of autism. He talks constantly but it's just chatter. It doesn't really mean anything. He has a therapist that's teaching him how to stop, listen, reflect back what he's heard, etc.

I'm certainly not going to suggest that Kim has any form of autism but, there's some mechanism there that's just not clicking. There was one point in today's show where I would have just wanted to take her face in my hands and say, "stop, dear". Then try some form of meditation or something to calm her.

"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by bunny420 on 01-18-06 at 10:30 AM
Kat, I agree with you, I think she is on something or going thru withdrawl of some sort. I know some pot heads when they first stop will babble on like this, and coke heads are notorious for the constant, drive you crazy babble.

My opinion of Kim is that she probably isolates alot at home and now that she is with starting over house she has diareah of the mouth, it just keeps comming with no ending in sight.

Christinas actions are understandable, kim just follows her around proding her, when christina is trying concentrate on her stuff she has to do. Remember Christina background, women are the competion and men are the "mark" she has a long way to go in changing her way of thinking acting and dressing, she dresses with bra straps showing, tight clothes.....Remember, hooking is a total mind f$^&, it takes years to change the thinking patterns, street lingo, and mostly the inappropriate clothing.

"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by Cleverone on 01-18-06 at 08:09 PM

I thought the same thing...what's she on????

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"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by MizJazmine on 01-18-06 at 03:17 AM
I do think Kim talks too much, but I think it's out of being nervous. The thing that caught my attention was that I thought the conversation she was trying to have was very inappropriate considering the fact that they were out trying to celebrate the fact that TJ would be graduating. She's coming across looking a little desperate...well okay...alotta desperate and I don't know if that's editing or just her, but the fear is very evident. The other thing is that Kim doesn't strike me as a person who has had a lot of "close" relationships, so she may not have really good boundaries. I'm just hoping she doesn't get caught up into the politics of the house but rather utilizes her diary to write down her thoughts and stay focused. I also don't think backstabbing nuLisa is good for her. nuLisa doesn't know whether she's coming or going IMO, and that kind of instability can't be good for Kim. nuLisa's already been talking about Kim behind her back right after telling her "I love you". Now that's some mess because that means something to Kim and she thinks nuLisa is her friend...smh.

I'm hoping Jill will have some compassion on Kim and not just tune her out or gossip about her. IMO Christina & Lisa are just plum nuts and she doesn't need their drama. I like Kim and I'm pulling for her. I still watch her from a "distance" because her issues seem too deep to me. I really hope SO does right by her, but we'll see hmmmmmm....

"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by Labyrinth on 01-18-06 at 09:26 AM
>The thing that caught my
>attention was that I thought
>the conversation she was trying
>to have was very inappropriate
>considering the fact that they
>were out trying to celebrate
>the fact that TJ would
>be graduating.

This was what I found so unbelievable during TJ's graduating dinner. Would it have been more sensible for the group to be talking about TJ -congratulating her and discussing how far she has grown in the house?

Instead Kim hijacks the entire conversation and makes it about herself. Very egocentric lady I fear.

Also, if Christina and the others had issues with the talk, why not just began another conversation at the other end of the table? That table was long enough and Jill was at the other end.


"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by EnfanTerrible on 01-18-06 at 03:27 AM

If she doesn't then there is some CRAZY editing going on there.

"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by eire_heart74 on 01-18-06 at 07:59 AM
I think she does but it's nerves. There is also something about her that tells me this is the first time she really feels safe enough to talk and share her life. I think she wants to get that bond and figures the more she shares, the more they will know about her. Bonds then will be formed.

What has really bugged me this season is the completely utter lack of manners the older housemates have shown to the newer people. They are so freaking rude! They don't give them the time of day but quick to tell them what to do and when to do it. If the tables were turned you know Christina and Lisa would be off pouting and mooping about how mean everyone is. They have been so disrespectful of them, making comments about how the new people "don't get it" Well hello you weren't perfect either when you came in. In fact you still aren't!

New Lisa and Kim are moms and this is probably the first and only time that they will truely have to work on these issues and themselves without having the daily chore of childraising. (esp Kim because her son is so young. and New Lisa probably has kept herself busy in her kids stuff so she didn't have to deal with her own) Christina should have some compasssion towards them.

"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by Sierra1947 on 01-18-06 at 09:30 AM
Oh my goodness YES, Kim talks way too much. Hopefully they will put the ban on her to stop talking for a while. What concerns me the most is her lack of EMOTION! Very hard to connect with someone who has no emotions.
"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by 2Centz on 01-18-06 at 11:14 AM
My advice to Kim (to borrow my fave phrase from Jill):


B!TCH, SHUT UP!

"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by Amelie on 01-18-06 at 11:22 AM
>I think it is so sad
>to watch, I'm sure the
>editing is making it look
>even worse..but at their dinner
>(for example) you could even
>see it in Jill's face...Kim
>was dominating the conversation. I
>hope for her sake that
>she chills a bit, doesn't
>work so hard trying to
>get Christina to like her
>(for example) cuz she's so
>not worth it anyways. She's
>not there to be friends
>with these women..she's there for
>self discovery. Is she avoiding
>feeling her feelings by focusing
>on relationships with these women?
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I dont think its sad at all. Personally, i think that its the beginning of the break through for her. Again, people are so quick to judge other people. Yeah, her incessant talking may be annoying, but every woman in that house has annoying qualities. Jill is lazy, TJ is controlling and in people's faces all the time, Christina is judgmental, immature and still on the pole, Lisa is totally clueless, Lisa(new girl)is delusional about her own mistakes in life.

But, the point is Kim is new and is learning to break old patterns and become a new person. With the exception of new Lisa, she is the only woman has only been there a few days.

But, Kim's situation is unique, she is isolated, her husband doesnt really communicate with her, she is an abused child which causes people to draw inward and because she is an introverted person probably has never shared her feelings with her friends at home because of fear of judgment or rejection.

Now that she is in the SO house, she probably feels finally these are women that will listen to me, not judge me and try to support me because they are all exposing their vulnerabilities. Hence, whenever she gets a chance she rambles on, she just wants to be heard. Something that she has never had in her LIFE.

Anyone out here judging her, why dont you imagine how it feels to be physically abused, sexually assaulted, humiliated by the man who is supposed to protect and die for you, or be abandoned by a mother who gave birth to you and see how you would truly feel. Yes, she talks, but she will learn how to vent her frustrations and insecurities in other ways in time and will be really successful. But, at least she is showing her true self unlike others in that house.

"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by pinksparkleguitar on 01-18-06 at 11:49 AM
I think she does talk too much, yes, but I am willing to give her a little grace on the subject. Of course she needs approval and love from people in all forms. She has spent most of her life being smacked around physically and emotianally. All the things that have happened have made her feel (for years!!) that she literally has NO WORTH. so yes, she's going to do what she can do to connect with others and get them to like her. In her case talking is connection, and is a way to bond with people and get them to like her. I think as soon as she grows some more and they start to address all the repercussions of her abusive past, then, she can drop some of the "everybody like me!!!" attitude.

And today, Christina totally gossiped about her, not vented. It was mean, and hurtful talk.

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"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by maybaybee on 01-18-06 at 11:49 AM
YES!
Nuff said.
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"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by Bmw4mom on 01-18-06 at 12:41 PM
>YES!
>Nuff said.

LOL, maybe Kim should take advise from you maybaybee. Short, sweet, and to the point. LOVE IT!!!!

"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by Ijustsharted on 01-18-06 at 12:44 PM


Editing or no editing I got a kick out of yesterdays show when they were showing her gabbing away..... I couldnt be around someone like that. My niece is like that she follows me around and yack yack yacks. Put a sock in it. LOL


"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by elgin on 01-18-06 at 01:03 PM
I'm thinking it's making good old Christina have a real power trip to be followed around. Look at her snotty little face when she is being so rude. I would love to see Kim say "Screw you" and ignore the heck out of her and not talk to or about her at all. I wonder how fast Christina would start whining about how Kim is being mean to her. She is a nasty little b**** and did this with TJ too. Kim is there for help and understanding. I don't see her getting any so far.
"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by Ijustsharted on 01-18-06 at 01:07 PM


I think that would be a great idea! She should just be like "screw you" she doesnt need to be worried about what Christine thinks of her. She needs to focus more on getting help.


"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by SweetDaisey on 01-18-06 at 01:23 PM
Oh I agree. Kim needs to give up trying to connect with Christina.
I wanted to slap those eye rolls and head shakes off her yesterday.
Wouldn't a woman of honor have gently said to Kim "hey, I'd love to chat but, I have a lot to do right now. Maybe we can talk later?"
The whole gossip issue was pure nonsense. Christina just can't stand for anyone to say anything about her. Where did that come from? She can prance around naked in front of people but, doesn't want anyone to talk about her. Kim needs to leave it alone and try to bond with the new girls coming in. Christina is a lost cause.
"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by horsewhisperer on 01-18-06 at 01:56 PM
That's actually great advice that all of the HG's should be able to utilize when needed. Yea, just a good ol' screw you!! Oh but then the other HGs might feel threatened and endangered, we wouldn't want THAT now would we?
"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by Sumrsno on 01-18-06 at 01:26 PM
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>My niece is like that
>she follows me around and
>yack yack yacks. Put a
>sock in it. LOL

LOL is right, I have a 27 year old daughter with the same motor mouth. I find myself turning off the MOM BUTTON!
I agree with the fact that Kim does think that SO house should be a safe place, and she should be able to vent. I don't feel that the restaurant was the appropriate place to do it though.
It would be no different with the the HG's if Kim was a quiet,
recluse. Then they would say she is a snob.
With my daughter I had to practice listening. It takes patience,
but she is worth it. If the HGs practice compassion with Kim it we be one more valuable tool they leave the house with.

Kim will eventually find her place in the SO house.

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"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by Pixeltalk on 01-18-06 at 02:36 PM
I think she is all hyped up on FEAR.

She's been hearing all about how the SO house is full of love and support and she expects that to be true, only to be rejected and ignored. But Jill and Christina have one foot out the door, Lisa1 is in her own world, and Lisa2 doesn't have much to offer (so far).

It's supposed to be about more than "doing your own work," it's supposed to be about supporting the other women as well. Christina could so easily have been KIND to Lisa and say, "You know, let's sit down and talk when I get home."

It IS hard to talk to someone who never lets you get a word in edgewise. I think silence scares her. Also, as I've said in other threads, overtalking is a way of avoiding feelings, just as overthinking (TJ) is. It's not like poor Kim is mean or hateful.

As for gossip, to me, the difference is that if you talk "behind someone's back" with good intentions, like TJ and Jill did about Lisa1, it is NOT gossip. However, if you talk behind their backs just to complain about them in a mean-spirited way, it is. "Venting" would be talking about your OWN feelings of anger, impatience, etc., not "Kim did this, Kim said that..." or "TJ is a psycho."

Besides, what are these "rules" Christina was talking about? Is she the new rulemaker of the SO house?

"Yes, yes - a thousand times YES!!!"
Posted by Yikahs on 01-18-06 at 01:33 PM
Dear mother of gawd - that girl has got to stop flapping those gums and get to work!

What are her assignments? She seems to have nothing that she is supposed to be doing. Yap yap yap. She yaps about yapping. She yaps about no one listening when she yaps. She apologizes for yapping but it takes her another 30 minutes of yapping to apologize.

And then NuLisa just sits there, stands there, exercises there, just nodding away, trying to be polite. When is she doing her assignments?

I think Christins was a bit rude. But I also think that Jill and Christina have their goals and assignments and are very focused on getting things done. So when the newbies are just wandering the house looking for entertainment it must drive them crazy!

I used to work with a guy who didn't shut up. Another co-worker said that she usually felt "like a big ear" because this guy didn't want to have a conversation - he just wanted to talk and have someone else hear his voice. You know those big foam fingers fans use at football games? I picture a big foam ear. And then I tune out because the yapper doesn't care about my feedback, they just want to yap.

"RE: Yes, yes - a thousand times YES!!!"
Posted by Mrs B on 01-23-06 at 11:35 AM
>Dear mother of gawd - that
>girl has got to stop
>flapping those gums and get
>to work!
>
>What are her assignments? She
>seems to have nothing that
>she is supposed to be
>doing. Yap yap yap.
> She yaps about yapping.
> She yaps about no
>one listening when she yaps.
> She apologizes for yapping
>but it takes her another
>30 minutes of yapping to
>apologize.
>
>And then NuLisa just sits there,
>stands there, exercises there, just
>nodding away, trying to be
>polite. When is she
>doing her assignments?
>
>I think Christins was a bit
>rude. But I also
>think that Jill and Christina
>have their goals and assignments
>and are very focused on
>getting things done. So
>when the newbies are just
>wandering the house looking for
>entertainment it must drive them
>crazy!
>
>I used to work with a
>guy who didn't shut up.
> Another co-worker said that
>she usually felt "like a
>big ear" because this guy
>didn't want to have a
>conversation - he just wanted
>to talk and have someone
>else hear his voice.
>You know those big foam
>fingers fans use at football
>games? I picture a
>big foam ear. And
>then I tune out because
>the yapper doesn't care about
>my feedback, they just want
>to yap.
>

Exactly. Her issues IMO are way beyond the scope of the SO program and she would be toxic anywhere she went.

"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by staceeturner on 01-18-06 at 01:42 PM
yes she talks like she is all hyped up on some speed or something
I can't hardly stand to listen to her and she seems to be all shaky half of the time so what is up with that?
"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by shelley_sargent on 01-18-06 at 06:12 PM
She kinda reminds me of my 4 year old daughter. The poor kid just talks and talks and talks. And sometimes, even when i dont mean to, I tune her out and I swear I watch a whole segment of starting over and then during commercials I tune into her again and she is STILL TALKING. But then usually she asks, "What do you think about that?" at the end of it all and Im left, slack jawed and dumbfounded.
Maybe Kim is just now able to let her inner 4 year old out or something. But regardless, talking like that and especially to someone who is doing something else when you start talking, chances are they are not really going to be listening 100%.
She is very defensive and anytime anyone talks to her she gets her back up. I also believe that she was badgering Christina especially when she was trying to connect about jacks and jackson. She then got onto the whole, "You just stopped stripping before you got in the house?" thing, which yes its true but I believe Christina was frustrated because she has finally gotten past all that and now a new house mate wont let it go.
JMO!
"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by OklaBlue on 01-18-06 at 06:27 PM
XXXtina was talking about stripping too. What happened to telling others she was out of that biz and was no longer going to discuss it? If she's so "grown-up"?

Surely XXXtina is familiar with hand signals, i.e. "talk to the hand"...that wouldn't be any ruder that her giggling at Kim at dinner. Etc.

"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by Jumbo Shrimp on 01-23-06 at 02:00 AM
I see Kim as the 'Karma factor'.Just when Xtina and Jill where feeling so high and mighty,Kim came in and broke up the hoedown.
It feels good to be a spectator in these games.
"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by ellcee18 on 01-23-06 at 07:45 AM
I, for one, have to fast-forward through the parts where Kim is talking and talking and going nowhere. But I also realize that if I were in the house, I would be expected to be some sort of example to the new girls.

Seems like Christina is doing just that - being a BAD example to Kim just like she was to TJ! Not really listening, not caring, being downright rude. And then to have the nerve to cry when TJ graduated... it just gets to me.

This season has been like a bad car wreck. I can't stand it, but I can't look away... LOL

"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by Jumbo Shrimp on 01-23-06 at 01:58 PM
Good to have you with us ellcee18! Yeah, the thing with TJ was really just a show of her errrrrrrh,acting skills, learned on the streets of Vegas.LOL And,yes,seems more like caged-raised chicks now out there free ranging and not knowing what the cluck to do.
"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by Labyrinth on 01-24-06 at 02:17 PM
In today's show, during group and the intro to Jodi, I'm sure folks noticed the interplay between Jill and Kim.

Okay Jill is bawling her eyes out in group. She is really feeling it and what does Kim do?? She brings it all back to her. Why not just say, "I'm like Jodi, tough, independent and strong, so why don't you like me???" or maybe "Don't steal my thunder, b*tch!"

Kim says she is like Jodi, but where were the tears? she had her back half turned to Jodi throughout. She also was looking up at the plasma or the cameraman during most of the group interaction even though Jodi is sitting right next to her....

Also, on her phone conversation with husband... he never finished ONE SENTENCE. Sorry but he didn't. He started to sympathize and then she cut him off, not once but three times.

I'm sorry but after today, I sure don't like Kim.

"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by beckettrep on 01-27-06 at 07:56 AM
>In today's show, during group and
>the intro to Jodi, I'm
>sure folks noticed the interplay
>between Jill and Kim.
>
>Okay Jill is bawling her eyes
>out in group. She is
>really feeling it and what
>does Kim do?? She brings
>it all back to her.
>Why not just say, "I'm
>like Jodi, tough, independent and
>strong, so why don't you
>like me???" or maybe "Don't
>steal my thunder, b*tch!"
>
>Kim says she is like Jodi,
>but where were the tears?
>she had her back half
>turned to Jodi throughout. She
>also was looking up at
>the plasma or the cameraman
>during most of the group
>interaction even though Jodi is
>sitting right next to her....
>
>
>Also, on her phone conversation with
>husband... he never finished ONE
>SENTENCE. Sorry but he didn't.
>He started to sympathize and
>then she cut him off,
>not once but three times.
>
>
>I'm sorry but after today, I
>sure don't like Kim.
>
>


When the group was supposed to be for Jodi it was Jill who actually first brought it to herself - so while Kim, at some point, tried to make it about herself, so did Jill, who actually was the first to steal Jodi's thunder. As for tears, I don't put much stock in them - some people can cry at the drop of a pin and others can't - and some, like Lisa can only fake cry/vomit which is far worse than no tears at all. I think the LC should have jumped in as soon as this train wreck was starting to derail and bring it back to Jodi - as usual the LC just sat there and let it happen - they seem to enjoy the drama more than the thought of actually helping these women fix themselves.

"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by Labyrinth on 01-27-06 at 09:52 AM
Perhaps I saw this interaction differently ---

For example, yes Jill interrrupted first, - and she apologized (something that Miss Allisham never did during her many hijacks of group). Jill also was willing to back off and not discuss and was encouraged to do so by Iyanla who is both the LC's for Jodi and Jill.

More then likely with Jodi and Jill being roommates, and IV's comments, Jodi was brought in deliberately to trigger certain things in other women (just like other women were in the House at the same time to trigger each other - i.e. Jill and TJ).

Now, Kim, when she brought up her "sharing" it was a "BUT I'M LIKE JODI TOO!!" bratty comment. Sorry but she is so into stalking Jill and making Jill her friend - that as soon as Jill admitted any liking or caring for the new roomie, Kim has to sandwich herself in there and say, figuratively, that Jill should like her too as she is just like Jodi.

Kim hijacked the meeting to deal with her problems with Jill - not to share how she is really like Jodi. If it was about sharing then she would have had something personal to say and not have gotten into her issue with Jill by the second sentence.

JMO.

"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by Cygnus X1 on 01-26-06 at 09:47 PM
Bumping because of a new locked thread.
"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by bellyButton on 01-26-06 at 10:44 PM
i don't know if anyone has mentioned this..i try to read as much as i can before i reply but could it be possible kim IS on something? antidepressant or something? Could she be manic? i know when i'm nervous and get nothing to calm me down..i talk way too much. kim sounds to me as if she's doing both sides of the conversation..her side and the person she's talking to's side with her same hand motions and how she tilts her head. she analyzes everything. and she carries that personality over onto the laundry, grocery shopping lists..which is fine..let her come and fix my place up neat..just don't talk to me when you're doing it kim. she seems to me to be obsessive compulsive defensive. and i feel sorry for her at the same time i feel sorry for the other's having to live with her.i wish the LC's would hurry up and do something for her.
"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by lovemydogdude on 01-27-06 at 02:24 AM
Well SOMETHING is wrong with Kim. JMO but I don't think it's a side effect of any medication...hopefully she is on something like an antidepressant though. I still feel like I did on this initial post today...I'm more irritated with Kim but I still feel the same. In addition after getting to know Kim more I think she desires attention that she is not getting. At the same time this is understandable to me because she is there to work through some very serious issues and talking with others is a strong need for her. It seems like she would try to get close with someone available to her rather than continue to pursue Jill but it bothers her that Jill doesn't like her so she focuses on that instead. I still think it's very sad for Kim. I'd like to see her get through this somehow.

"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by Jumbo Shrimp on 01-27-06 at 02:34 AM
Kim made a bad choice in latching onto Jill.
Lets see what happens when the family gets there.
Sometimes,there can be a big turn around.
Kim started off on the wrong foot and Jill will do whatever to keep her there.
When will the LCs interveen(sp?).if this keeps up, they will need substitue coaches to come in.The women,left to their own devices,this is not a good thing.
JS
"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by Bmw4mom on 01-27-06 at 10:03 AM
I think that Kim still talks too much. Even after having watched her for a few weeks. I have a really hard time with her still. I still wanna slap her everytime I watch her. I applaud the other HG's for being able to deal living in the same house with.


"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by Zoey on 01-27-06 at 02:28 PM
I have both a love/hate feeling for Kim because I know someone who reminds me of her.

I think her constant talking is her mind racing, only she does it out loud. Thinking out loud may make her feel better but drives others away.

It was also mentioned how here she sometimes doesn't think her husband cares enough (paraphrasing). With a person who has dealt with such abandonment, I wonder if any amount of attention or affection is ever good enough. I'm not really saying that she's an attention whore but maybe more that no matter how much you give her, it's never enough for her to feel content.

If this is the case, it's a frustrating situation for her AND anyone who is in her life.

"RE: Do you think Kim talks too much?"
Posted by cathen on 01-27-06 at 07:05 PM
It did just occur to me today that perhaps Kim talks and talks (and talks) to keep the person she is talking to from "leaving" her. As long as she is holding them captive, conversationally, they can't abandon her.

It's still annoying.