Since the show is rigged, then why does everyone think he wins? They will just let him and Hutch be the final two "survivors" and then everyone will vote for Hutch to win. His reaction would be so damn funny. Plus Spike can save $100,000.

Any comments? Everyone agree?

• RE: Joe Schmo Doesn't Win the $100,000,erikman, 10:27 PM, 10-13-03
  • RE: Joe Schmo Doesn't Win the $100,000,OceansAngel16, 01:21 AM, 10-14-03
    • RE: Joe Schmo Doesn't Win the $100,000,erikman, 01:35 AM, 10-14-03
      • RE: Joe Schmo Doesn't Win the $100,000,OceansAngel16, 05:53 PM, 10-14-03
        • RE: Joe Schmo Doesn't Win the $100,000,erikman, 06:01 PM, 10-14-03
          • RE: Joe Schmo Doesn't Win the $100,000,OceansAngel16, 06:04 PM, 10-14-03
            • RE: Joe Schmo Doesn't Win the $100,000,erikman, 06:12 PM, 10-14-03
              • RE: Joe Schmo Doesn't Win the $100,000,OceansAngel16, 06:19 PM, 10-14-03
            • RE: Joe Schmo Doesn't Win the $100,000,Jpod5, 06:20 PM, 10-14-03
              • RE: Joe Schmo Doesn't Win the $100,000,erikman, 06:34 PM, 10-14-03
                • RE: Joe Schmo Doesn't Win the $100,000,OceansAngel16, 06:38 PM, 10-14-03
                  • RE: Joe Schmo Doesn't Win the $100,000,erikman, 06:56 PM, 10-14-03
          • RE: Joe Schmo Doesn't Win the $100,000,ryanpaige, 06:37 PM, 10-14-03
        • RE: Joe Schmo Doesn't Win the $100,000,Guppin1234, 08:02 PM, 10-14-03
          • RE: Joe Schmo Doesn't Win the $100,000,ryanpaige, 08:15 PM, 10-14-03
            • Case for fraud,Guppin1234, 09:21 PM, 10-14-03
              • RE: Case for fraud,erikman, 09:27 PM, 10-14-03
                • RE: Case for fraud,kris6336, 10:36 PM, 10-14-03
              • RE: Case for fraud,ryanpaige, 10:22 PM, 10-14-03
                • RE: Case for fraud,erikman, 10:26 PM, 10-14-03
                • RE: Case for fraud,Guppin1234, 01:59 AM, 10-15-03
                  • RE: Case for fraud,Rabies, 03:52 PM, 10-15-03
                    • RE: Case for fraud,erikman, 11:48 PM, 10-15-03
                      • RE: Case for fraud,Soft_Myst, 01:06 AM, 10-16-03
                        • He's too much of a softee for law,Guppin1234, 02:06 AM, 10-16-03
                          • RE: He's too much of a softee for law,Soft_Myst, 02:18 AM, 10-16-03
                        • RE: Case for fraud,LynneAndReef, 07:33 PM, 10-16-03
• RE: Joe Schmo Doesn't Win the $100,000,Acawap, 07:46 PM, 10-17-03
• Discussed before,AyaK, 04:28 PM, 10-21-03

i have been sayng the 100,000 is as fake as the show for a long time but the prize is alot more closer to a mill. yea i think they vote for hutch. then they tell him it is fake then they give him betwean 500,000 and 1,000,000

why do you get your info from that he gets closer to a mil?

>why do you get your info
>from that he gets closer
>to a mil?
stone stanley does not want the bad publicidy they have shows on pax if they try to go cheap they get shows cancled and boycoted then theres the lawsuits not worth the trouble.

But if Matt signed a contact that said "You do not necissarily win any money" he cannot sue them for not getting any money, unless he finds someone who is incredibly cleaver and can find a loophole in that..

And because he doesn't pay a guy a lot of money for this doesn't mean people will boycot Stone Stanleys other shows, nor does it mean they will be cancled on pax..

yea the rigged game show loophole stonestanley has at least 2 more gameshows they could lose there linceses.

No, thats not a loophole if the contract said:

"There is no guarantee that you will win any money"

Yes, they rigged the game show, but, since it says that there is no guarantee he will win any money, it would take more than "the show was rigged" to pull off that loophole

he is guearntead atleast 10,000 if you look at the link about how they recruted him in it said 10,000 with a chance at 100,000 in that fake show so if they don't pay him atleast that they are in real trouble did you miss that

So then, it probably said "There is no guarantee that you will win more money than the said $10,000"

While the producers haven't spoiled the ending, they've said more than once that 'Matt had the time of his life.' For some reason I tend to think this doesn't refer just to the days he was being duped and that he gets compensated in the end. I doubt 10 days of 'fun competition' followed by humiliation and no prize money would meet anyone's standard for the time of their life!

To clarify, I don't think he will (and technically can't) actually 'win' the prize money. The only money he'll get is what they decide to give him. Even if they let him 'win', is he really beating the competition? No, it's the decision of the puppetmasters.

jimbo

LAST EDITED ON 10-14-03 AT 06:36 PM (EST)

>While the producers haven't spoiled the
>ending, they've said more than
>once that 'Matt had the
>time of his life.' For
>some reason I tend to
>think this doesn't refer just
>to the days he was
>being duped and that he
>gets compensated in the end.
>I doubt 10 days of
>'fun competition' followed by humiliation
>and no prize money would
>meet anyone's standard for the
>time of their life!
>
>To clarify, I don't think he
>will (and technically can't) actually
>'win' the prize money. The
>only money he'll get is
>what they decide to give
>him. Even if they let
>him 'win', is he really
>beating the competition? No, it's
>the decision of the puppetmasters.
>
>
>jimbo

yea and if they humilate and leave him no money they will be finished in the tv bussness,besides tv guide says he gets a 6
figure paycheck plus prizes and i think one of the prizes will be a contract on one of there other tv shows.

No, they wont be finished, the show has gotten a lot of ratings..

You are forgetting we live in a society that tends to become sadistic, yes people will feel bad for Matt if he doesn't get anything. You did say the link said he DOES get 10K, thats still a lot of money. And its not 6 figure, its 5 figure, someone had pointed that out in a previous board.

they are getting ratings of less then 2.0 there not even getting top 15 in weekly cable ratings thats not good for all the publicity spike is giveng it. i mean the ratings are ok. i beleave tv guide over one time poster i think they gave him 10,000 after they told him and they will give him the rest on the 28

I doubt Stone Stanley has a FCC license for anything. They aren't a broadcaster. They're a content provider.

Of course, it's all academic anyway since the Quiz Show laws are there to protect the public, not the participants. if the viewers are made aware that the show is rigged, they are perfectly in compliance with the law. If this had been presented as a real game show and we were to later find out that all the particpants but one were actors, it would be a pretty clear violation.

But law, as written and signed into law by President Eisenhower, states that it is illegal to broadcast any game with intent to deceive the audience.

Deceiving a participant of the show would not apply. The best that could be done would be a private suit for fraud (Matt was offered a chance to win $100,000, but the contest was rigged, so if he doesn't win, that chance never really existed) if Matt does not end up leaving with the money (if he gets the $100,000, he has no damages).

So what happens when the profusely convoluted contract verbage completely contradicts the verbal actions and the physical actions of the cast and crew?

Stone Stanley needs to save his ass and the collective asses of his associates, so it's in his best interest to give Matt at least $100k.

By and large, I believe that the viewers want Matt to win money at the very least, and if he doesn't, they risk a lot more than just alienating the audience. IMHO.

"Ream them up the assetts Matt" - Guppin

For all we know, the contract expressly stated that the show was rigged. You can't make judgments on the contract without knowing what's in the contract. It's pure guesswork.

But even if it were in the contract that the show was rigged, he'd still have a good case for fraud because they offered a chance to win $100,000. If there never really was a chance, it was potentially a fraudulent inducement telling him so.

Even if the contract expressly stated that the show was rigged, I'm quite certain, amidst all this speculation, that Matt wouldn't have agreed to participate just to be humiliated and leave empty handed just for the sake of "having the time of his life on the show."

Granted, Matt is perceived as gullible, but I don't thinks he's THAT stupid.

So if you wrote the contract, and you wanted to phrase it in such a way so as to deceive Matt into participating, how would you put: The show is rigged and you're not going to win 100k no matter what, and you are here merely as a bogus participant but you don't know that yet. - so as to cover your ass as a producer/network yet still pull one over on Matt in the process.

If you're going to be that vague or general in the contract, you are also going to be that vague and generalized in court, and the courts want specific facts leading up to the way that some of these reality shows are raping their contestants.

"I see Matt doing something on Court TV" - Guppin

LAST EDITED ON 10-14-03 AT 09:42 PM (EST)

yea it looks like they are about to give sue speeches to yea they pay him off. i'm glad they did'nt have a sue speech good

OK, I don't post too much but I have been tryin gto give this som ethought and here is what I think...sorry for any spelling errors, and hopefully my thoughts com eout clearly...

the contract could say:

You will be particpating in various game-show-like contests, some being termed immunity contests. If you are determined the winner of an immunity contest, you will not / can not be eliminated from the house for that round (this works even in the case of Hutch being thrown off since he hadn't won immunity that night).

In cases where you do not have immunity, you may be eliminated from the show during an eviction ceremony. You may also leave the house through an incentive from the show or of your own decision.

I doubt that the contract spells out how you would be eliminated, because then there would be a clause about former housemates coming back to vote you off. But this also works because then it can just be, tonight so-and-so is eliminated...not VOTED OFF.

Also, usually at the beginning of contract, there is a bunch of mumbo-jumbo about what terms mean. So the contract may say contestants, but maybe in the beginning of the contract it said, housemates, known hence forth as "contestants" or that a bunch of terms interchangeable mean "show" or "house"...

Again, none of this helps the public perception we may get from how they treat Matt, or how Matt himself feels about the set-up, but I am sure a bunch of lawyers went over this contract very carefully before allowing anyone to sign it.

I was going to make a reference to Joe Millionaire. All those girls "fooled" into thinking he was rich - but that was not their "knowledge" when they signed their contracts - it was an added bonus "revealed" to them after they signed up. I am sure that something along those lines works in this case too. The contract probably doesn't say how people will be eliminated from the show (not game show mind you just show), or what contests would be or what the total compensation would be either. Who really knows though? Maybe Matt will publish his contract one day and we can find out!

You specifically state it in the contract that the show is rigged in some very legalese terms. The chances are actually quite good that Matt never even read the fine print of his contract anyway.

But like I said, even if the contract said that the show was rigged and he just didn't see it or understand it, it's clear that they still told him he would be competing for $100,000 and that he could win that $100,000. So, if there was no chance, it's, at the very least, fraudulent inducement regardless of what the contract said.

So, I am quite certain they pay him $100,000. Now, he may not be the "winner" in the voting tally. Heck, there may not be a winner in the voting tally. But he's going to be paid the $100,000 (or some lesser amount that he would agree to, on the condition that he sign an agreement holding the producers of the show harmless for their false statements that got him to come on the show, but that only works if he agrees to it).

yea i bet she votes brian and there is no 100,000 but he gets more.

Hmmm, sounds like criminal hush money.

hahahah Happens all the time. And it's perfectly legal unless it's a threat of some sort. Find a piece of glass in your hamburger? "Oh we're sorry. Here's $10,000 to compensate for your troubles. Please sign this agreement first."

You don't know what you COULD get if you sued. You don't know if you COULD sue. You don't know if you would win. So you take the money and sign on the dotted line. Welcome to America.

well with spike(viacom) ordering a schmo 2. that means there is no legal problems or chance of future lawsuits and matt got paid and is happy. if next week ended bad for matt they would not order more shows.

Perhaps this show will inspire Matt to go back to Law School?

I think he should use the money to start a rehab for schmos.

ROFL ..... well, we could probably use a good lawyer to protect future Joe Schmo-s. He's got experience on his side and a heart for the underdog. But he'll probably go for easier money. Like most of us would. Having had some money and no money..... I don't care what they say....... having money makes life easier. Aside from the things you can do and buy, its so much easier when you can afford proper health-care and a good lawyer.

I think Joe (Matt) will be OK. He's a survivor.

Great post Soft_Myst!! LOL

Just had to say a couple of things:

1) they won't run into problems with 'rigged gameshow' laws or whatever, because it's NOT a game show. There's no competition. It's more like 'Candid Camera'. He's on it, doesn't know he is (don't even get me started with the 'he knows!' people), and he'll get paid. Simple.

2) you really think they'll give him a million?? have you watched this show and seen the budget?? Joe Millionaire, Survivor, etc, all have huge budgets and it shows, with elaborate sets, games, etc., so can afford a million dollar prize. Plus, they're on major networks, so get major network advertising revenue. Joe Schmoe looks like something I could put together with a couple of frat buddies. LOW BUDGET -- thus the $100,000 prize instead of $500,000 or $1,000,000.

He'll be happy with $100,000... he spent a week with people he liked, got to feel up a porn star and saw a bunch of boobs. Probably the most action he's ever had. I'd say he makes out pretty well if they give him 20 bucks and t-shirt that says "I was the dumba$$ on that tv show!"

LAST EDITED ON 10-21-03 AT 04:29 PM (EST)

We've discussed this before. Assuming that Matt isn't also an actor and that he has a legitimate contract with the show (which I do; YMMV), the producers need to let him win or else he can sue them for the economic damages to him from the producers' misrepresentation. The show might never have aired. However, if he wins, then he has no economic damages, and the contract could specifically prevent him from suing.

Thus, he wins. However, it wouldn't surprise me if the producers have Hutch win and then decide to disqualify him again (maybe even using the same "network exec" that Matt thought was an actor), giving Matt the "victory" -- before they reveal to him that the whole thing was faked.