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"Journeyman"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 10-03-07 at 08:48 AM
I searched for a Journeyman thread and didn't find one, so if I missed it...sorry.

This is another show that's growing on me. Is the not-really-dead fiance the girl that played with Taye Diggs in Day Break? I kind of feel sorry for the wife. I'm not sure how they came about getting married, but there's no way I would ever date/marry a relative's ex.

Any watchers?

Tummy

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I came, I saw, I stuck around


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"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by Spanky68 on 10-03-07 at 09:49 AM
I just watched the 1st ep on the NBC website last night. My Lovely Bride sat down and watched most of it, too.

Like someone said elsewhere, it started slow but ended very well.

I am not sure I caught all the subtle visual clues I was supposed to. It seems a little demanding that way, like CSI or XFiles at it's peak.

I plan to watch the 2nd ep sometime soon with LB can watch it with me. I hope the show will make it.

I am a McKidd fan. Thought he was great in Rome. His voice sounded really weird to me in Ep 1, though. I think I was expecting to hear the British accent.



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"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by djandy on 10-03-07 at 10:06 AM
I was uncertain after the 1st episode, but liked it after seeing the 2nd episode. It was reminiscent of Quantum Leap, but I like that he can come back to the future to use google and research to help him figure out what's wrong. But it brings up the question -- if he's disappearing all the time how is he going to keep a job and make a living?


"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 10-04-07 at 09:39 AM
It is like Quantum Leap! I kept thinking I've seen a show like this, but was thrown when I just remembered Sliders which isn't like this. Thanks that was bothering me.

Tummy

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"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by zombiebaby on 10-03-07 at 10:32 AM
This show lost me. I watched because of Trevor McKidd and his work in Rome but it just got boring. I tried again for the second episode and I just fell asleep.

I do wish it luck though.

"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by syren on 10-03-07 at 11:52 AM
Slowly this is growing on me.


"2nd Episode"
Posted by Spanky68 on 10-04-07 at 00:28 AM
I like the 2nd episode more than the first. It was a nice "bridge" from the intro episode into the ones I expect to come along with more recurring plot lines.

I have to admit. I don't find the Bloodgood woman all that attractive. For pure hotness and screen presence, the woman playing Dianna (the mom) Bloom was far more interesting to me.

I just checked the ep on IMDB and she is Annie Wersching.
http://tinyurl.com/2mbgc2

Hrmmm...maybe it was the lighting in the cable car scene. She doesn't look as fetching in the other pics on the site as she did there.

Still, I think I am going to like this show a lot. Abandon all hope. That means it will be cancelled b/4 Thanksgiving!

"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 10-09-07 at 08:39 AM
I'm still liking this but for some reason I don't like the wife. There's something lacking about this show that I can't quite put my finger on, but I'm going to keep watching for awhile.

Tummy

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I came, I saw, I stuck around


"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by Spanky68 on 10-09-07 at 08:52 AM
The new wife or the old (time-travelling fiance?)

I don't like the new wife either. She seems to be clawing and...possessive isn't the word I am looking for. I got a bad vibe from her when she was lusting McKidd back when she was married to Cop Brother.

I haven't read ANY spoilers. But my gut feeling is that McKidd will do something in one of the episodes that will fix Cop Brother's marriage to Grabby Wife. And that will clear the decks for McKidd to get back together with Jumping Fiance. But I am only guessing.



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"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 10-09-07 at 12:34 PM
The new wife. And I didn't realize the new wife had been Married to the brother, I thought they had just dated. Wow, anyone up for a Jerry Springer show?

I am hopeful he ditches her and gets back with Livia. But about half way thru lastnights show I got the feeling they weren't going that way. At least not right now. Hopefully, I'm wrong.

I wanted him to save the boss' sister

Tummy

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"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by Spanky68 on 10-09-07 at 01:38 PM
Me too. Seemed like Livia was intentionally trying to sabotage that.

I wonder if they are both working for the same team. Maybe she is trying to sabotage things while he is trying to fix them. Just a thought.


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"Episode 3"
Posted by Spanky68 on 10-09-07 at 11:51 AM
I like the way this played out. I wanted him to be able to warn those people, but couldn't imagine that they would let him prevent something that big that had actually happened in real life.

I like the Livia storyline and Katy's reaction to it. Seems as plausible as anything can about a relationship in that situation.

I hope this show makes it.


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"RE: Episode 3"
Posted by zombiebaby on 10-15-07 at 05:31 PM
I have to agree. I did not care for the second episode at all and gave it one more chance. This 3rd episode was pretty good.

I just don't liek the wife. I think something fishy is up with her.


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"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by CantStandToLook on 10-09-07 at 04:33 PM
We watch this show too. I didn't want to like it, I really didn't but I couldn't help myself. I like that his wife knows he's hopping through time but can't really do anything about it.

Last night for a second I thought she was actually talking to him in the past when they met at his office and she brought his shoes.


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"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 10-16-07 at 08:57 AM
Okay, question time.

1. Why could Livia had just continued to live her life with Dan when she wasn't killed in the planecrash?

2. Why did she not know Dan is married to Katy? Did she really die but can still Leap backward from the time of the plane crash?

3. How long is it going to take for Katy and copbrother to have an affair? / Livia and Dan?

4. Why wasn't Livia surprised Dan was a Leaper? Does she have pull on who gets to Leap?

5. Who else loves Dan's boss?

Loved lastnight's show.

Tummy

Veni, vidi, velcro
I came, I saw, I stuck around


"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by Spanky68 on 10-17-07 at 08:55 AM
I liked it, too.

1. Why could Livia had just continued to live her life with Dan when she wasn't killed in the planecrash?

Dunno. I think it is a mystery that is being answered SLOWLY, and she hasn't begun to answer him.

2. Why did she not know Dan is married to Katy?

I think she did. She didn't seem surprised when he said her.

Did she really die but can still Leap backward from the time of the plane crash? Definitely no death. She admitted in Ep 2 that she got off the plane (I assume leapt) before the crash.

3. How long is it going to take for Katy and copbrother to have an affair? I am guessing Ep 6 (last night was Ep 4) / Livia and Dan? He is written as more noble, so probably Ep 7 or 8

4. Why wasn't Livia surprised Dan was a Leaper? I think it was her that pulled him into the leap.

Does she have pull on who gets to Leap? I think so. Have you noticed that he seems to leap at whichever time will most torque off Katy?

5. Who else loves Dan's boss?

I think he's cool. I thought you asked "who is his boss?" meaning who is leaping him around. I think that the tachyon scientist has something to do with the leaps.


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"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by Spanky68 on 10-22-07 at 03:40 PM
Bump for the show tonight.


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"Episode 5"
Posted by Spanky68 on 10-24-07 at 09:13 AM
I liked it.

*Spoiler alert*

The episode was based on the DB Cooper heist (though they changed the name). Dan literally bumped into him after a poorly-timed jump.

I liked that the Cooper-character wasn't a cold-blooded thief. He was stealing the money to get a family out of Cambodia to repay a kindness during the Vietnam War.

There was an interesting sub-plot involving Dan's 7 yr old son. He was with Dan in a crowd when Dan disappeared the first time. then he watched Dan disappear later in the episode. At the end he told Dan that he "saw his magic" and was Ok with it.

I liked that touch.

I think the Livermore scientist is behind the leaping. If not, he certainly knows about it.

We meet Dan's dad in 1975. Hardboiled photojournalist. He abandoned Dan and his mom when Dan was 7. I wonder if Dan's dad is a leaper, too.


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"RE: Episode 5"
Posted by trigirl on 10-24-07 at 10:28 AM
Good ep. I am nervous about the Scientist dude. He made a comment about someone profiting from the time-shift in a way that made my "bad guy" radar ping.

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"RE: Episode 5"
Posted by Spanky68 on 10-24-07 at 01:33 PM
Yeah. Clearly, Dan is doing good deeds in the time travel. But I am not sure Olivia is. I think she's doing something evil or at least wrong. She never actually helps him, and physically STOPPED him from helping the editor's sister in the episode about the earthquake.


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"RE: Episode 5"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 10-25-07 at 09:33 AM
I did get a bad vibe of the scientist guy, but I've never gotten a bad girl vibe off of Livia. I think she's there to keep him on track (hence stopping him from helping the sis) until he gets the hang of it.

Love that the son knows, but they were both Stupid for leaving him alone with the kid in a crowd like that.



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"Bump...show is on Monday night."
Posted by Spanky68 on 10-29-07 at 00:19 AM
Watch early. Watch often.


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"RE: Bump...show is on Monday night."
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 10-30-07 at 04:29 PM
Are Dan and Katie completely stupid? Tell me they did not send Dan out by himself with the child to go trick-or-treating! But I think they did.

And I really don't think Livia is evil but I'm starting to think she's a guide.

I so thought Dan was going to hear that the kid wasn't his when he was spying on Katie and the brother.


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"RE: Bump...show is on Monday night."
Posted by Spanky68 on 10-31-07 at 09:39 AM
I still think that the boy is Dan's nephew, not his son. That way, when Dan eventually "fixes" the error in time when he marries Katie instead of Livia, the boy will still exist in our time line.

I think Dan was banking on the fact that he just got back from a time trip, and doesn't travel again that soon. But I agree, it was a foolish gamble to take.

When I saw the poor boy dressed as a LADY BUG!?!? I just cringed. I wonder how much therapy that will cost him down the road. Man up and let him be a pirate or football player if he wants.

Both my Lovely Bride and I were big Quantum Leap fans back in the day. But we are not mutually hooked on Journeyman and we both appreciate the realistic twist that when Dan changes things in the past, it has RL consequences. Like when the uni-bomber guy was caught after the 1st one b/c of Dan. It is no longer a story his editor wants in 2007. That is cool. A bit hard to keep up with, but realistic.


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"RE: Bump...show is on Monday night."
Posted by emydi on 10-31-07 at 11:53 AM
LAST EDITED ON 10-31-07 AT 11:53 AM (EST)

I love how this show is progressing...each week it gets more personal...and next week he's protecting himself. I'm so glad that I didn't stop watching it after week 1.

I loved QLeap too...I think this show will be more sophisticated in its explanations...only bc it's 20 years later

I like this show's possibilities with changes and effects on Dan and his family...in QL they always had to keep things "the same" Until the last show that is when Sam tells Beth...that was probably one of my fave moments in tv history!

Spank what do you mean "fixes" the error in time.. I missed something

We need Journeyman siggies!


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"RE: Bump...show is on Monday night."
Posted by Spanky68 on 10-31-07 at 11:50 PM
re: the fix. I am purely speculating here. But I think that one of the story arcs here is that Dan and Katie are wrong for each other. Katie wants to be with the cop brother. Dan wants to be with Livia (though I would personally pick the hot lady doctor who reminds me of a shorter version of my Lovely Bride).

I am guessing that at some point Dan will fix the error that they all made. Dan and Livia will live ever after (maybe even happily). Katie and cop bro will live happily ever after with the son that is really not Dan's anyway, I would bet.

Sorry to confuse you.

I would wear a Journeyman siggie in the OT thread most of the time to generate pub for this show.


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"RE: Bump...show is on Monday night."
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 11-02-07 at 03:47 PM
See, I think Katie was in love with Dan even while she was with Brother Cop.

You have to admire Dan, he could have started something with Livia and never told anyone about it.

I'd wear a Journeyman siggie too.

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"RE: Bump...show is on Monday night."
Posted by CattyChat on 11-06-07 at 11:14 AM
I agree with you, Ahtum. I really think Katie was in love with Dan. The episode where Dan was in his old apartment watching the 4 of them interact in the past, I saw Katie gazing longingly at Dan, while with the brother & Livia. Katie got her claws into Dan, thinking he was who she wanted, and now she is regretting it.

I would love to see it play out where the boy is Dan's nephew & Dan can get back with Livia. They have great chemistry.


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like living coals, the apples burned among the withering leaves.
~~ Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

"Oh Spanky....."
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 11-06-07 at 09:33 AM
You may disagree with me, but I think after last night's epi your theory isn't holding up. (The fixing the Livia/Katie thing).

I hope they show more of Livia's life sometime in future episodes.

Cop brother is a hag. Sheesh.

And I too think Dan moving on and "falling in love" with Katie a mere 7 months after Liv's plane crashed stinks. Hrmph, men.


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"RE: Oh Spanky....."
Posted by Spanky68 on 11-07-07 at 10:04 AM
You might be right. My theory was a stab in the dark. But I still feel like the story arcs are going to converge at some point in the future and Dan will split with Katie so that she can go back to cop brother and Dan can go back to Livia.

After last night, I am not sure Livia is working for the wrong side of the time jumpers, either. She really helped Dan.

Speaking of her leaping, she certainly seemed to be able to leap more accurately and at will. Going into that closet when she did was PERFECT timing. Well for everyone except cop brother.

An all-Livia episode would be a nice twist. Or even a Livia-centered episode would work. I agree. But I still don't think she's begin to come clean about how much more she knows about jumping and who is doing it. She HAS to know by now who's behind it.

And while Dan might have been a faithless slob to jump into a relationship after 7 months, he wasn't the only one doing the tango. Katie had something to do with it, too. Hrrmmph, women!


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"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by mattben on 11-06-07 at 11:46 PM
Is this show any good? I haven't even sampled it yet, but y'all seem to like it. From my preview reads it seemed like a stale variation update of Quantum Leap.


"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by Spanky68 on 11-07-07 at 09:59 AM
It is a much deeper show than QL. It isn't as sappy-sweet as QL was in places. It feels much more plausible on the science end than QL ever felt to me.


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"11-05-07 Episode"
Posted by CattyChat on 11-07-07 at 11:15 AM
I finally watched Monday's episode and I really enjoyed it and was happy to get a little bit more info.

I'm torn between Tummy's & Spanky's thoughts about the possibility of Dan "fixing" his past to be with Livia. This episode, with Dan so frantically trying to make sure he didn't change the pivotal point in Katie & His relationship was really interesting. You could see Livia was very torn by the scenario as well. I would love to see Livia and Dan end up together sooner, rather than later, for many reasons. They are obviously meant for each other and Dan's life with Katie & "son," meddling cop brother & career all create huge obstacles.

What I think would be a great episode is where Dan is in his past and does somehow change things so that Katie & Dan do not get together. Before Dan could fix it, he transports back to the present. Dan, obviously, would be devastated thinking that his son would not be born. He then finds Katie & Jack married and the "son" is still there, because son was Jack's after all. Now Dan's dilemma is does he leave things this way or does he go back to try to change it back where Dan still gets married to Katie?

It's a bit convoluted, but I would love for that to happen. This way Dan's guilt could be assuaged and he could be with Livia and they could be bouncing all over time helping people and meeting up, trying to get their relationship back.

Back to the actual episode. Ugh, can Jack get anymore annoying? I wanted to feel sorry for him in the beginning of this series with Dan marrying his former GF, but he is such a meddlesome jerk.

Also, the female doc that Jack was dating the 2 eps prior, for some reason I had gotten a vibe from her that she knows something about Dan's time travel and was dating Jack to get close. I don't know why I thought that, but she was just asking so many questions, it seemed suspicious to me.

I just can't wait to find out how/why Dan & Livia are traveling through time. With mysterious scientist coming back next week, hopefully we'll get more answers.


It was Autumn & incessant piped the quails from shocks & sheaves;
like living coals, the apples burned among the withering leaves.
~~ Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

"RE: 11-05-07 Episode"
Posted by Spanky68 on 11-07-07 at 11:33 AM
Also, the female doc that Jack was dating the 2 eps prior, for some reason I had gotten a vibe from her that she knows something about Dan's time travel and was dating Jack to get close. I don't know why I thought that, but she was just asking so many questions, it seemed suspicious to me.

I didn't pick up on that. I may have been blinded by Dr. Hot's hotness. Because she is a hottie. I can barely see the road from the heat coming off it...ok. I think I got my point across.

And I will now keep an eye out for Dr. Hot's possible meddling/involvement in Dan's time travel.


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"RE: 11-05-07 Episode"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 11-07-07 at 01:38 PM
I didn't get that vibe either, will have to watch for it. And I'm still not sold on the idea that the kid is not Dan's.

I also think Livia is still in love with Dan, obviously. But I'm not getting any vibes that Dan is still in love with Livia.

and Spanky....Katie was in love with Dan way before that night, but after only 7 months you'd think it would be to soon for Dan to move on. So double Hrmph, men!


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"RE: 11-05-07 Episode"
Posted by Spanky68 on 11-07-07 at 04:12 PM
Yeah, I agree Katie wanted Dan before Livia disappeared. She wanted him BAD.

But if she really loved him, couldn't she wait? True love waits, ya know.

Dan is not such a bad guy. If he deserved a double hrmph, he would've tried to bed Livia before now.


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"RE: 11-05-07 Episode"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 11-09-07 at 10:41 AM
Dan is not such a bad guy. If he deserved a double hrmph, he would've tried to bed Livia before now.

No, That would have deserved a WHACK!


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"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by zombiebaby on 11-07-07 at 04:27 PM
My theoryyes I agree this show picked up by leaps and bounds)

I agree with Spankster. That is not Dan's son. Katie and Dan have been having fertility problems. My hunch he is the one with it and Katie truly believes that Dan was/is the father.

My support? Truly personal. I can't stand Katie. Why would the wife be so disagreeable to me? Is it just me or is anyone else rooting for Livia and Dan?


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"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by emydi on 11-08-07 at 10:46 AM
I am too zombs!! I love Livia..what she did in this week's show was so noble...I don't like Katie either or the bro they deserve each other...

"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by Spanky68 on 11-08-07 at 10:48 PM
I don't so much root for Livia as against Katie. She has struck me as shrill and disagreeable since the first episode.

I am not sold on Livia being a good guy (or girl) yet. But I might be wrong there.

It could be that I don't find either of the actresses hot. Dr. Hottie? Oh my heck yes.

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"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 11-09-07 at 10:45 AM
I was at first thinking I would be rooting for Dan and Livia to get back together. But now I'm not sure. Katie is growing on me and I think she's handling the situation really well. I actually think I'm starting to like her more than Livia.

And surely Livia has a love interest somewhere. Surely she's not been celebate for the last 7 years.

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"11/12/07 episode"
Posted by emydi on 11-13-07 at 09:48 AM
This was the best show so far...so Livi could be Dan's grama! We saw Dan see his younger self...will we bump into Livi as an old woman? She appears to be in her early 30s or so...so she would be born WWI framework...

That professor is definitley part of this.

And if Dan gave the hijacking money to the kids in August 1974 will that change that the same money was what was stolen in 1975? What will change, if anything, about the investigation by FBI dude...will it turn into investigation that the professor feared...the gov't using Dan/Livi et al for "terrorism" control?


"RE: 11/12/07 episode"
Posted by trigirl on 11-13-07 at 12:04 PM
Darn my tape didn't work!

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"RE: 11/12/07 episode"
Posted by emydi on 11-13-07 at 02:46 PM
go here


"RE: 11/12/07 episode"
Posted by trigirl on 11-13-07 at 06:05 PM
I'd love to, but ya know that American state secrets are simultaneously broadcast and we Canadians might use them against you.

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Darn American networks!

"RE: 11/12/07 episode"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 11-13-07 at 03:43 PM
It's starting to make my head hurt! Dan's getting older but Livia is not? Because even if she lives in the past she should still have aged 7 years since the plane crash, right?

To me the hijacking/money story should be done since he gave the money away the year before. It would have been other money with other serial numbers that were stolen so FBI shouldn't even be aware now in Dan's present time.

I love they use music to set the time period when he jumps.


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"RE: 11/12/07 episode"
Posted by Spanky68 on 11-15-07 at 09:34 AM
LAST EDITED ON 11-16-07 AT 00:12 AM (EST)

Geez. All you women and I have to be the one that mentions Dan crying as he walked away from Livia. He still loves her. And I think he can sense that Katie would rather be settled down with Jack than married to him. The fact that she is going back to TV will pull her further away from him and push her closer to her old life with Jack.

If I was Dan I would confront Dr. Langley and ask why he and Livia can't live together in peace and jump on a regular 9 to 5 work schedule. Seems fair to me. I do dangerous, unpaid, essential work. The LEAST I could ask would be decent hours and the chance to get some down time with the woman I love.

Man the FBI guy couldn't have been cast to be more obnoxious or jerky, could he?


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edited to fix Jack's name

"RE: 11/12/07 episode"
Posted by Spanky68 on 11-16-07 at 00:16 AM
Though my Lovely Bride doesn't want to be a DAW, she had this to say about the episode:

What if: Langley is Livia's husband in 1948. He was experimenting with tachyions (sp?) and accidentally sent her into the future. When she disappeared right before getting on
the plane, he got her back. In the meantime, he was
jumping around in time himself, looking for her and
trying to learn how better to control the technology.
Along the way, he met up with that Unibomber guy from
two episodes ago. (That guy said something like "You
can always tell by the shoes" which leads me to
believe that he's seen other time travelers before
Dan.) Langley also met Dan's father, maybe trying to
find out info about Dan, maybe trying to mess
something up so Dan and Livia wouldn't get together.
Livia might be using the technology herself trying to
get back to Dan, and Langley's trying to stop her and
get her to stay in their time. Maybe she got Dan
involved in time travel by trying to get him back to
her time. Perhaps Langley has realized (or is going
to realize) how much she loves Dan and is trying to
get them back together.

She's smaht. We'll see how well her woman's intuition works.


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"11/19/07 Episode"
Posted by djandy on 11-19-07 at 11:32 PM
Part 1 of 2. Big Cliffhanger. So now we see what bad things happen when Dan changes history? It looks like next week Olivia appears in the future to get Jack's help, so maybe she can control her leaps more than Dan can? I'm a sucker for time traveling stories a la "Back to the Future".


"RE: 11/19/07 Episode"
Posted by emydi on 11-20-07 at 09:22 AM
Ok I love this show more and more every week.

I too love when things change via time travel ala BTTF. The 2nd one was by far my fave when all the changes occurred. But it has to be consistent or at least tell me why it isn't.

We know that in new 2007 Dan and Jack did not have the "Bennett discussion" where Dan asked Jack to look into it when Bennett was still not arrested in old 2007 where Dan said a cabbie
sicced a cop on him for passing a 2003 20$ bill in 1995. Jack says "I never said a cabbie" so he starts to believe Dan.


But then what about the $$. Last week, he gives some of hijacking money to kids in August 1974 and the hijacking doesn't occur until 1975. Why would that money still be in the 1975 hijacking and the FBI man still is talking about Dan researching the hijacking in new 2007? What's up with that? FBI dude is still searching Dan Vasser and I think he will figure it out...but how would the new 2007 FBI dude even get on Dan's trail if the money wasn't the same?


"RE: 11/19/07 Episode"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 11-20-07 at 09:49 AM
That was my point exactly last week, the hijacking should not still be a factor.

Livia seems to have alot more control than Dan, but she's been doing it alot longer....and having fun with it as we saw lastnight

I love she's going to pop in on Jack. And I'm still liking Katie more and more.

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"RE: 11/19/07 Episode"
Posted by Spanky68 on 11-20-07 at 11:31 PM
I really like the consequence of him changing history "costing" him something. I loved Quantum Leap, but it always felt so hokey that Sam could make things right and it almost always ended happy.

In the episode this week, I thought the forshadowing "Dan, you can't change things like that. Leave it ALONE!" was too heavy. But still, I have to admit that I am hooked.

The show is so good that my Lovely Bride and I watch it together, and it's been years since we've done that consistently.

I hope this show survives to be a hit. It certainly deserves that.


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"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 11-27-07 at 09:36 AM
Was that an "a ha" moment for you when Livia said that maybe she jumped into Dan's life so that eventually he and Katie would get together.

I thought for a bit that Dan was going to get the kid out of the house and was interested to see if the bad guy was just going to start fading away from Katie or how they were going to handle it.

Still thinking the kid is Dan's not Jack's.


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"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by zombiebaby on 11-27-07 at 03:48 PM
I thought that Dan would help the kid then go back and find the bad guy still with Katie but he would really be the plumber.

Yeah on the "a-ha" moment. But then whatever thoughts trickled into my brain quickly trickled away. I thought I understood then became confused again.

I get that way with Lost. I think I have a epiphany on what is going on then it seems to be just out of my grasp.


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"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by Spanky68 on 11-27-07 at 11:46 PM
Was that an "a ha" moment for you when Livia said that maybe she jumped into Dan's life so that eventually he and Katie would get together?

Not really. I don't think that is the way the writers planned the show. Now if it does get snuffed soon, we'll never really know, will we? But I admit (again) that I might be wrong about it.

I thought for a bit that Dan was going to get the kid out of the house and was interested to see if the bad guy was just going to start fading away from Katie or how they were going to handle it.

Now THIS we agree on. I was thinking he'd fix Bennett in the past and thus have no trouble with Bennett in 2007. But I have to agree with the writers that they way it was resolved on screen made for a more fulfilling conclusion than your/my theory.

Still thinking the kid is Dan's not Jack's.

I still disagree. Though I guess that two biological brothers would probably have kids with very similar looks in that situation. What I am trying to say is that if Dan and Jack were real-life brothers, the only way to tell whose kid Zack was would be to DNA test him. Because their physical appearances would be so similar. Still...Zack looks more like young Jack to me than young Dan.


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"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 11-28-07 at 09:00 AM
I still disagree. Though I guess that two biological brothers
would probably have kids with very similar looks in that
situation. What I am trying to say is that
if Dan and Jack were real-life brothers, the only way
to tell whose kid Zack was would be to DNA
test him. Because their physical appearances would be so
similar. Still...Zack looks more like young Jack to me
than young Dan.

You do realize they ARE actors right, and not really related?
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"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by Spanky68 on 11-28-07 at 09:35 AM
What are these "actors" of which you speak?!?!

But the writers are (I hope) leaving clues for us to unravel. To me, Zack looks more like Jack than Dan. And I think that if the story gets to unfold as intended, we'll realize that.

The conversation a few episodes ago where Jack was talking to Katie before Dan's wedding...and Katie told Jack she was preggo, I think that she told Jack later that it was his. Maybe when the arcs are closer to being resolved, Katie would tell Jack and Dan would be listening in then too.

You're right. I could be wrong.


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"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 11-28-07 at 10:13 AM
You are. Wrong that is Zack is Dan's. I say let's bet. If I'm right you put under your siggie "Tummy is always right" for a month and I'll do the same "Spanky is always right" if I'm wrong.

Of course, with my luck, we'll never know.

I just think it's to cliche if Zack is Jack's.



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"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by Spanky68 on 11-28-07 at 11:18 AM
deal.


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"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by emydi on 11-28-07 at 09:40 AM
LAST EDITED ON 11-28-07 AT 01:14 PM (EST)

see the aha or "what?; moment for me was the FBI guy's "it's always the money with them" I think he's onto this time travel and is WAS? trying to uncover the extent of it...but why did they shoot him?

Well there will be a new show on 12/10....next week, it's part 1 of a part 2 Life, part 2 is on Wed 12/5 (I like Life too but I still want to know how that got picked up before Jman!)

in series creator's blog, dated 11/17/07, he says

Our next few episodes are among our best and most thrilling and will answer more questions you've had about Dan, Katie, Jack, Livia and...Elliot Langley.

so I hope there is more about FBI guy and he's somehow not dead, I love the character and the actor is terrific


http://blog.nbc.com/journeyman/2007/11/a_message_from_kevin_falls.php

http://www.nbc.com/Journeyman/

"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 11-28-07 at 10:19 AM
I forgot about this, yeah, I did not see that coming from the FBI guy. And I have no idea why they shot him, what the heck was the whole point of that storyline?

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"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by Spanky68 on 11-28-07 at 11:26 AM
"they always need the money, and that's what trips them up" was the direct quote, I think.

I think that was supposed to be a dead giveaway that he was onto the time travel, and NOT investigating the Dylan McQueen (DB Cooper) hijacking. My guess is that it's "the government is not a party to the time travel" story arc. Elliot said "I had to leave because after 9/11 the government was interested in using it to stop terrorism". That meant to me that he was using a private non-government lab to do his "work". And this storyline backed up that govt. vs scientist angle.

He's shot. But I don't think he's dead. And even if he is, there should be another govt agent to pick up where he left off.

On a related note, I LOVE that Livia finally confronted Jack. And that Jack is on board now.


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"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by emydi on 11-28-07 at 01:18 PM
i never remember direct quotes...

my question is how come he always travels back in time to SF or at least SF related (the plane with pregnant lady came to SFO)? He doesn't end up in the same place where he disappears from, so why doesn't he end up in LA or NY or whereever? I guess Livia is from SF too...


"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by Spanky68 on 11-28-07 at 04:44 PM
Yes, Livia is from SF.

I don't think that the SF-only rule has been explained on the show. But my guess would be that whatever time machine is making them travel has a limited physical radius of effectiveness.


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"Oh No! Save this show!"
Posted by zombiebaby on 11-27-07 at 08:52 PM

I read somewhere else that we only have 2 more episodes left. With the last one being the season finale. They may not even air that last episode

Anyway there is a website to check out;

http://savejourneyman.funurl.com/


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"RE: Oh No! Save this show!"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 11-28-07 at 08:58 AM
I thought it was just because of the writers strike! Well, this sucks.

I'm going to start not watching shows until the second season, I'll buy season 1 on dvd the summer before and then start with Season 2. That way I'll at least know it's going to last at least one full season!


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"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 12-03-07 at 03:46 PM
Since "Life" is taking Journeyman's place tonight does that mean JM is gone?

I haven't watched Life and in protest I'm not watching it tonight. Grrrr.


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"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by emydi on 12-04-07 at 01:55 PM
no last nite's Life was part 1 of part 2 with part 2 on weds in Life's reg spot...the last original Jman is on next week regular time...hopefully they won't make a decision while strike is on.

Life is good but Journeyman is better and Life got picked up

"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 12-04-07 at 05:50 PM
Thanks emydi. I hope it stays around just so Spanky looses a bet to me well more than that but that's reason enough


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"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by emydi on 12-06-07 at 10:05 PM
I don't know if this is good or bad...they are showing 3 Journeymans in the next 2 weeks (which is not best time bc of holidays)

2 more mondays 10th and 17th normal time and then also on Weds 19th at 10

that will be the 13th of 13th ordered and filmed

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/guide.aspx?id=strike_scripted

On Life last nite (which has been picked up) said at end...Life will return in 2008...we'll see if they say that on 19th...

"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 12-07-07 at 09:33 AM
I'll keep my fingers crossed. Thanks emy


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"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 12-11-07 at 09:06 AM
Lastnight's episode I enjoyed, but for me it didn't answer any of the questions about who, what, when and why.

I'm still iffy about Jack's woman somehow being involved in the jumping. I thought and then I didn't think.

I want Livia's dress.


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"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by zombiebaby on 12-11-07 at 09:37 AM
Oh My Goodness! Livia's dress was to die for!

Yeah I don't trust Jack's girlfriend at all.
Was that the last episode for the year?


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"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 12-11-07 at 10:58 AM
No, it said afterward that there will be a new one next Monday. I thought someone said it would be on Wednesday, so be prepared.


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"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by emydi on 12-11-07 at 02:29 PM
LAST EDITED ON 12-11-07 AT 02:31 PM (EST)

yep, the last 2 are next M and W...hopefully they'll say on Weds that there will be new ones in the new year like FNL and Life

"I have some questions"
Posted by trigirl on 12-11-07 at 01:23 PM
So I think I only missed one episode, but I don't understand about Livia living in the 40's. Is that her home base? If so, what was she doing with Dan all those years?

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"RE: I have some questions"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 12-11-07 at 02:16 PM
Yes, 1940's is where/when she originates. My understanding is she jumped into Dan's time and stayed there for quite awhile (I don't think this was her choosing) and she said (and I paraphrase) "maybe I came to your/Dan's time to create a void that Katie could fill".

In other words, maybe Dan was her mission, to get him and Katie together, because 7 months after she "died" Katie took him home from after he went out drinking and gambling and sat with him. They've been together ever since.

I'm not sure exactly how long Dan and Livia were actually together.

Clear as mud now?


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"RE: Journeyman"
Posted by dragonflies on 12-12-07 at 02:49 PM
I don't like or trust Jack's girlfriend. I'm also curious why the timeline didn't change, since he got his dad to at least tell them as boys why he was leaving.

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"Journeyman Canceled?"
Posted by djandy on 12-12-07 at 10:14 PM
Watch with Kristin is reporting that Journeyman has probably been canceled. I sure hope not because it is a very well-written show and has just been getting better and better. With the writer's strike I don't understand why they would just scrap such a quality show. The only reason that made any sense was someone said that the show cost a lot to make because they had to pay royalties on all the old songs they play to re-create the mood of that time. Boo to NBC!

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"RE: Journeyman Canceled?"
Posted by trigirl on 12-13-07 at 09:54 AM
I find it interesting that this show has the most discussion on our board for the new season and yet it is in danger of being cancelled?!?!?1

Like last year....Friday Night Lights had a huge thread and yet was in danger. Something is not right about that!

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"RE: Journeyman Canceled?"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 12-14-07 at 08:25 AM
I agree Tri, obviously the Powers in charge of such decisions also does not have the taste that is required to be a part of RTVW! Idjuts.


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"RE: Journeyman Canceled?"
Posted by KwietOne on 12-13-07 at 11:04 AM
Remember what happened to Jericho? Maybe if you all raised a stink about it, NBC will do a 180 and bring it back?


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"RE: Journeyman Canceled?"
Posted by emydi on 12-13-07 at 01:30 PM
LAST EDITED ON 12-13-07 AT 01:51 PM (EST)


http://savejourneyman.funurl.com/

Well crud

they are sending Rice a Roni to NBC

looks official

confimred by Reuters;interesting info on message boards

http://boards.nbc.com/nbc/index.php?showtopic=777817&st=280

talk of trying to get Fox to pick it up

Go vote at tv guide...you have to register..so far its 87.5 for!

http://community.tvguide.com/poll.jspa?pollID=800000547


"Spanky you may....."
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 12-18-07 at 09:25 AM
disagree, but I think lastnight's episode proved that I am indeed the winner of our bet.

Evidence: Dan's mis-step with the digital camera changed the night they Knew Zack was concieved so Zack was not concieved and instead poor unwanted blonde daughter was born instead of Zack. Conclusion: If Zack were not Dan's he would have been born anyway.

You may argue that the digital camera goof could have caused Jack and Katie to not have concieved Zack but I think you would be wrong

I enjoyed last night and think next week is going to be even better. If SOMEONE doesn't pick this show back up they're a bunch of morons!


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"RE: Spanky you may....."
Posted by emydi on 12-18-07 at 10:02 AM
Right tummy, Dan is Zach's father.

GAH!! Last nite's ep was the best all season...This is why you need to give things time and promote them!!

What about the Sci Fi channel?


"RE: Spanky you may....."
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 12-19-07 at 10:12 AM
I'm getting the feeling that Spanky is avoiding this thread


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"RE: Spanky you may....."
Posted by Spanky68 on 12-22-07 at 00:45 AM
Not on purpose. I just didn't get to see the episode until tonight.

I think the evidence is/was still inconclusive. You've got an argument, but I don't think it's been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

I am still convinced that he and Katie wouldn't last if the series had continued. That isn't a popular opinion in my home. My Lovely Bride is convinced Dan is a jerk for hugging Livia and wanting to keep travelling. I disagree.

I think that the Evan plot is an analogy for Dan's own life. Just as Evan's wife wasn't supposed to be married to the politician in any time line, Dan wasn't supposed to be married to Katie.

Katie's own reaction to his time travel and Jack's compliment proved (to me at least) that she is supposed to be with Jack, not Dan. I don't think Livia wants to be married to anyone EXCEPT Dan, either.

But what do I know? I'm just a poor slob with XY instead of XX chromosomes.


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"RE: Spanky you may....."
Posted by zombiebaby on 12-23-07 at 08:39 PM
I agree completely Spanky. Unfortunately we may never know


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"12/20 episode"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 12-20-07 at 09:52 AM
*sob

Best episode of the season/series. Just when we're getting answers the show is killed, grrr.

I have come to really like Katie and the way she handled the situation. I think Jack is still in love with her, but she is definitely devoted to Dan. That showed during the last scene. Though Dan kind of pissed me off as he came off as saying "I'm going to continue to trave, take it or leave it".

I think the professor could have easily gone either way in the series, good or bad. But why did he know about Dan and not about Livia?

The story of the episode was great, I loved how they tied the previous traveler dying to Dan's first jump.

I'm going to miss this show.


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"RE: 12/20 episode"
Posted by Spanky68 on 12-22-07 at 00:46 AM
I'm going to miss this show.

Tummy is right...about this part.


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"RE: 12/20 episode"
Posted by trigirl on 12-23-07 at 10:19 AM
I'm going to miss this show.

Is it done for sure? I am still holding out hope.
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"RE: 12/20 episode"
Posted by Spanky68 on 12-24-07 at 11:49 PM
I haven't seen a definite announcement. But this blog by the creator of Journeyman is as close as I've seen.

http://blog.nbc.com/journeyman/

darn shame. This show was the first show my Lovely Bride and I have agreed was worth watching in a LONG time.

I didn't like the "final" episode, btw. I will be back later to say exactly why. Loved the show, though.


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"interesting"
Posted by MPVLOST on 11-23-08 at 01:48 PM
Hope I'm not beating a dead horse by bringing this topic back up (I was a huge fan of this show, BTW), but I came across part of an interview that Kevin McKidd did recently.

It was posted on another message board by someone else, so I don't have the link.

Mostly it talked about his new role on Grey's Anatomy, but Journeyman was brought up briefly and this is what was said.

-----

'Journeyman' fans were so disappointed the show was cancelled. Can you tell us what would've happened?

Kevin Falls told me ... that each episode was a procedural story where would help that person and get them back on track. All those people that he helps ... have to be in that position that Dan gets them into for his son. It's not about Dan. This is about Zack, Dan's son, who has some kind of special power. Whatever it is that's controlling this needs all of these people to be in a certain position or alignment for Zack, when he comes of age, his power erupts ... It was all about getting his son to the place that these people could help him achieve this power and help the world.

--------

Interesting, kind of a pre-Heroes type thing. But if that's the case, what about Liv traveling? Was she part of getting Zach his power, or was she traveling to help someone else gain "powers"? And wasn't there another traveler mentioned at one point?

"RE: interesting"
Posted by trigirl on 11-24-08 at 10:12 AM
Very interesting. Thanks for posting!

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