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"Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by rjrabbit on 08-11-11 at 10:54 PM
Spoiler alert!! Where's vince? Filler, filler, filler, filler, filler, filler, I couldn't wait to get this discussion statrted. Tonight we find out who America chose to compete to go back into the house. According to the live feeds there were 2 million votes cast and one hamster got 1 million of those votes. that hamster is Brendon. He beats Lawon and reenters the house. Needless to say Rachel, Jordon, Jeff, and Shelly are thrilled and Kalia, Porche and Dani are furious. They haven't had the HOH contest yet.
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- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,cahaya, 10:56 PM, 08-11-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,Sues, 11:03 PM, 08-11-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,zazzy, 11:06 AM, 08-12-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,michel, 11:05 PM, 08-11-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,cahaya, 11:10 PM, 08-11-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,kingfish, 10:18 AM, 08-12-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,cahaya, 10:42 AM, 08-12-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,Estee, 10:45 AM, 08-12-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,michel, 06:20 PM, 08-12-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,jbug, 07:56 PM, 08-12-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,rjrabbit, 11:20 PM, 08-11-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,Estee, 11:24 PM, 08-11-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,cahaya, 11:33 PM, 08-11-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,Estee, 11:47 PM, 08-11-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,cahaya, 01:58 AM, 08-12-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,michel, 06:27 PM, 08-12-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,zazzy, 11:13 AM, 08-12-11
- HoH begins.,Estee, 11:59 PM, 08-11-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,rjrabbit, 01:20 AM, 08-12-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,cahaya, 02:00 AM, 08-12-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,tribephyl, 03:07 AM, 08-12-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,Outfrontgirl, 03:27 AM, 08-12-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,axbridge, 07:12 AM, 08-12-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,rayjj, 11:06 AM, 08-12-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,zazzy, 12:02 PM, 08-12-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,zazzy, 11:02 AM, 08-12-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,samboohoo, 12:38 PM, 08-12-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,michel, 06:41 PM, 08-12-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,AyaK, 07:00 PM, 08-13-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,michel, 07:21 PM, 08-13-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,Wacko Jacko, 11:34 AM, 08-12-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,Estee, 11:44 AM, 08-12-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,zazzy, 11:58 AM, 08-12-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,samboohoo, 12:39 PM, 08-12-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,jbug, 09:17 AM, 08-12-11
- "I will find my glory" ,zazzy, 10:47 AM, 08-12-11
- So, who *should* be nominated?,Jims02, 06:38 PM, 08-12-11
- RE: So, who *should* be nominated? Repeats,michel, 06:56 PM, 08-12-11
- RE: So, who *should* be nominated?,Outfrontgirl, 08:08 PM, 08-12-11
- RE: So, who *should* be nominated?,cahaya, 08:37 PM, 08-12-11
- Throwing the HOH comp,zazzy, 07:15 PM, 08-12-11
- RE: Throwing the HOH comp,Outfrontgirl, 08:02 PM, 08-12-11
- Does this plan sound familiar?,Estee, 08:17 PM, 08-12-11
- RE: Does this plan sound familiar?,cahaya, 08:28 PM, 08-12-11
- What would her father say?,Estee, 10:08 PM, 08-12-11
- RE: What would her father say?,zazzy, 11:21 PM, 08-12-11
- RE: What would her father say?,Round Robin, 01:27 AM, 08-13-11
- RE: What would her father say?,cahaya, 00:02 AM, 08-13-11
- RE: What would her father say?,michel, 02:25 AM, 08-13-11
- RE: What would her father say?,axbridge, 07:37 AM, 08-13-11
- RE: What would her father say?,michel, 12:43 PM, 08-13-11
- RE: What would her father say?,cahaya, 10:42 AM, 08-13-11
- What he did say...,cahaya, 10:19 AM, 08-13-11
- RE: What he did say...,kingfish, 12:40 PM, 08-13-11
- RE: What he did say...,michel, 12:47 PM, 08-13-11
- RE: What he did say...,zazzy, 12:56 PM, 08-13-11
- RE: What he did say...,michel, 02:46 PM, 08-13-11
- RE: What he did say...,suzzee, 08:54 AM, 08-17-11
- RE: What he did say...,kingfish, 11:04 AM, 08-17-11
- RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. ,zazzy, 12:50 PM, 08-13-11
- Off Topic,Puffy, 04:29 PM, 08-13-11
- link,dabo, 05:11 PM, 08-13-11
- RE: link,michel, 06:32 PM, 08-13-11
- RE: link,jbug, 09:21 PM, 08-13-11
- RE: link,cahaya, 09:32 PM, 08-13-11
- RE: link,jbug, 09:41 PM, 08-13-11
- RE: Off Topic,dabo, 10:36 PM, 08-13-11
- PoV winner,cahaya, 09:44 PM, 08-13-11
- RE: PoV winner,AyaK, 11:57 PM, 08-13-11
- RE: PoV winner,Jims02, 00:09 AM, 08-14-11
- RE: PoV winner,zazzy, 09:36 AM, 08-14-11
- RE: PoV winner,zazzy, 11:45 AM, 08-14-11
- RE: PoV winner,zazzy, 09:44 AM, 08-14-11
- RE: PoV winner,Round Robin, 01:19 AM, 08-15-11
- RE: PoV winner,jbug, 10:14 AM, 08-15-11
- Some results from POV ,Rebel Crown, 05:37 AM, 08-14-11
- A Question,michel, 09:56 PM, 08-14-11
- RE: A Question,cahaya, 11:51 PM, 08-14-11
- RE: A Question,samboohoo, 10:19 AM, 08-15-11
- RE: A Question,zazzy, 03:08 PM, 08-15-11
- POV ceremony,zazzy, 03:10 PM, 08-15-11
- RE: POV ceremony,cahaya, 03:27 PM, 08-15-11
- RE: POV ceremony,Belle Book, 05:06 PM, 08-15-11
- RE: POV ceremony,michel, 05:40 PM, 08-15-11
- RE: POV ceremony,Outfrontgirl, 06:06 PM, 08-15-11
- RE: POV ceremony,michel, 09:25 PM, 08-15-11
- RE: POV ceremony,cahaya, 12:23 PM, 08-16-11
- striking deals.....,jbug, 12:31 PM, 08-16-11
- RE: striking deals.....,Corvis, 01:00 PM, 08-16-11
- RE: POV ceremony,Wacko Jacko, 12:21 PM, 08-16-11
- Something's up.,zazzy, 03:07 PM, 08-16-11
- RE: Something's up.,kingfish, 04:46 PM, 08-16-11
- RE: Something's up.,zazzy, 05:02 PM, 08-16-11
- RE: Something's up.,Belle Book, 08:13 PM, 08-16-11
- RE: Something's up.,Outfrontgirl, 06:49 AM, 08-18-11
- RE: Something's up.,kingfish, 09:24 AM, 08-18-11
- RE: Something's up.,cahaya, 09:41 AM, 08-18-11
- RE: Something's up.,jbug, 10:12 AM, 08-18-11
- Jeff,samboohoo, 12:12 PM, 08-18-11
- RE: Jeff,zazzy, 11:13 AM, 08-19-11
- RE: Something's up.,AyaK, 11:10 AM, 08-18-11
- RE: Something's up.,cahaya, 11:27 AM, 08-18-11
- RE: Something's up.,AyaK, 08:00 PM, 08-18-11
- RE: Something's up.,zazzy, 11:27 AM, 08-19-11
- Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!',Estee, 07:19 AM, 08-17-11
- RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!',kingfish, 08:26 AM, 08-17-11
- RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!',Estee, 09:07 AM, 08-17-11
- RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!',axbridge, 09:17 AM, 08-17-11
- RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!',kingfish, 11:32 AM, 08-17-11
- RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!',cahaya, 12:30 PM, 08-17-11
- RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!',Round Robin, 01:41 AM, 08-18-11
- RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!',zazzy, 12:33 PM, 08-18-11
- RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!',AyaK, 07:43 PM, 08-18-11
- RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!',kingfish, 08:25 PM, 08-18-11
- RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!',AyaK, 09:09 PM, 08-18-11
- RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!',Round Robin, 02:24 AM, 08-19-11
- RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!',michel, 05:25 PM, 08-19-11
- RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!',kingfish, 06:20 PM, 08-19-11
- RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!',zazzy, 01:40 PM, 08-20-11
- RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!',Estee, 07:29 AM, 08-19-11
- wow!,jbug, 09:52 AM, 08-19-11
- RE: wow!,kingfish, 10:42 AM, 08-19-11
- RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!',zazzy, 11:04 AM, 08-19-11
- RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!',AyaK, 01:47 PM, 08-19-11
- RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!',kingfish, 04:13 PM, 08-19-11
- RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!',cahaya, 04:40 PM, 08-19-11
Messages in this discussion
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by cahaya on 08-11-11 at 10:56 PM
LAST EDITED ON 08-11-11 AT 11:27 PM (EST)The game? "That's How We Roll"
The moral for Lawon? "That's How Heads Roll"
(eta) Live recap here by yours truly for anyone who wants to read a replay.
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by Sues on 08-11-11 at 11:03 PM
I'm not sad to see Lawon go...but I am nauseated at the idea of having to watch the gruesome twosome one second longer...
Why are these people so stupid? It would have been fun to watch the two play against eachother....ah well. I guess the only logical thing to do is to now go full on for Shelly....or at least hope that Brendon breaks his pen!s while celebrating his return....
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by zazzy on 08-12-11 at 11:06 AM
I was surprised neither of them thought of gathering 6 + balls at a time and then standing there rolling them, one after another until they were either in the hole or rolled out, then gather another 6+, etc. A lot of time was lost running out for every ball or two and running back to roll it.
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by michel on 08-11-11 at 11:05 PM
It's really sad to see that casual viewers have so much love for returning players.
Lawon is a damn fool.
So are Kalia and Danielle.
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by cahaya on 08-11-11 at 11:10 PM
And I think America is foolish, too. As a result, the boomerangs own the House and we still have the two power couples in the House.And there's still plenty of time before either power couple will need to think about playing a back door with all of the other fodder still in the House.
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by kingfish on 08-12-11 at 10:18 AM
LAST EDITED ON 08-12-11 AT 10:25 AM (EST)This has to have had a lot of VFTW influence, don't you think?
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by cahaya on 08-12-11 at 10:42 AM
The blogs are rife with conspiracy theories about how the producers decided to disqualify the votes they didn't like.Either that, or the Chenbot had an arithmetic overflow error.
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by Estee on 08-12-11 at 10:45 AM
Their site has show discussion, no unified effort or single directive from the management, and a few people voting all over the place. They didn't latch onto this latest fiasco. (It's visible just in the vote total -- Worsters on a drive would have pushed things well over two million.) At the moment, they're laughing over Lawon's eviction and proposing that given her current ability to make great decisions, Danielle's next move is probably nominating Kalia.
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by michel on 08-12-11 at 06:20 PM
I'm usually very cynical about the honesty of "reality TV" but I think this result is on the up and up. Rachel and Brendon were brought back because casual viewers like them so it's easy to see that casual viewers would vote for Brendon. People that follow BB on line here, at sucks or on any of the other boards represent less than 5% of the audience. The live feeders are even less. Casual viewers know so little that they latch on to returning players and fall for the edit. Look: RussHole won Fan favorite twice. That should say everything needed to know about letting the audience vote.
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by jbug on 08-12-11 at 07:56 PM
You are so right.
I know I look at reality tv differently than my DH or sister or others that I talk with about it.
They take each episode as it is; they don't disect or analyize
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by rjrabbit on 08-11-11 at 11:20 PM
Brendon talking to Jeff in the HN room about how dumb it was to put up Lawon. Dani and Kalia on the purple couch about how bad they feel. Dani looks miserable. Shelly, Adam and Jordon in the living room about the twists the BB comes up with.
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by Estee on 08-11-11 at 11:24 PM
I had to bring this over from Jokers. (Transcript from SouthernBelladonna.)"Jeff telling Bren how they had to out-think Rach this past week - Saying how they didn't want her to know how safe she was because they didn't want her getting in Dani's face.
Bren: Welcome to my world, guys."
Right now, they're all talking and waiting for HoH to start. (It's like the week-in-an-hour: the chances of everything getting done before airtime ends are always nil.) Danielle is several thousand levels of pissed -- in particular, she wants to know how America could vote Brendon over Dominic. So do I, but that's mostly because I was expecting Cassi to go back in. And I'm pretty sure VFTW didn't get involved or we would have had Keith...
(BTW, note the vote totals here: two million overall, Brendon with just about half of that, and Julie claims it was close. Take her at the spoken word (hah!) and that means Cassi plus Keith made up very little of the ballots. Give her the quoted total and we can take one thing away from this: the public interest is way down from where it was when Kaysar got voted back in. That total was closer to five million. Sixty percent of the ballots went bye-bye -- go ahead and explain that one away, Grodner.)
Kalia is considering quitting. Of course she is. She admitted to having a Chima moment, by name. For now, she's willing to be generous with her time and wait on Danielle's struggle in the upcoming HoH competition, but she's exactly as happy as you'd expect about this situation. Danielle, upon whom so few hopes rest, is fuming about how unfair it is that Brendon got to see their extremely nasty goodbye messages. (There's another Danielle who would probably agree with that.)
Brendon is being updated on cage events, at least as Rachel, Jordan, and Jeffoon saw them. He can't believe the newbies evicted Lawon. At this point, I'm pretty sure they can't either. And Brendon is going to do his best to win HoH, Veto, and possibly take on the grill. No word on his prospective nominations yet, but gosh, he's confident. Has he met the grill?
Long night ahead -- and depending on who wins the next battle, it could get a lot longer.
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by cahaya on 08-11-11 at 11:33 PM
At this point, the Power Couple Strategy is easy peasy.Stay allied to the finish with Shelly tossed in the back seat and let the comps and jury decide between the two couples who wins.
Seriously, those couples are like two players in one, each casting two votes, each having two people in competition, each having a virtually guaranteed 50/50 crack at the prize.
I don't know if Vegas has odds up on this, but I know where I'd spread my stake.
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by Estee on 08-11-11 at 11:47 PM
LAST EDITED ON 08-11-11 AT 11:56 PM (EST)While Shelly's current bet might be to ride that situation down to F5, pick a final pair to align with -- arguably Brendon/Rachel for the jury loathe factor -- and then pray to win the last HoH. Which under that scenario, turns into her only chance: each person in a pair will take each other before they take anyone else. (The potential exception would be Jeff realizing the jury might refuse to give Jordan two wins in a row, but don't hold your breath on his working that one out -- much less executing it. 'I refuse to beat the woman I love!' -- and there's your ultra-longshot loss.) Looked at that way, she shouldn't be too fond of her long-term odds. But her chances might not be that much better with the newbies, at least as far as maintaining any kind of power base...
The issue with boomerang control, as always, remains the HoH format. This game does not grant the majority alliance automatic control. Someone in the minority group still has the chance to win the power position and put up two from the other side. And if they're not Kalia, they might even make it stick and get rid of one. She was intimidated by fear of retaliation -- but let things stand in that form and she's going anyway. Eventually, someone in the newbie group has to win and take a stand -- or Danielle has to begin every-other-weeking from now until twists do her part.
The boomerangs have improved their odds with Brendon's return: no argument there. But they don't have a lock yet.
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by cahaya on 08-12-11 at 01:58 AM
The issue with boomerang control, as always, remains the HoH format... Eventually, someone in the newbie group has to win and take a stand -- or Danielle has to begin every-other-weeking from now until twists do her part.The boomerangs have improved their odds with Brendon's return: no argument there. But they don't have a lock yet.
Yup, the HoH is the only thing that will save Dani and the newbies.
And, lo and behold (looking below), Dani got it! ED must be thinking "Ok, Dani, you royally screwed it up once, don't screw it up again!"
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by michel on 08-12-11 at 06:27 PM
LAST EDITED ON 08-12-11 AT 06:29 PM (EST)I'd say Shelley's ideal F3 is with Jordan and either Rachel or Porsche. People like Jordan so you don't brign her in at the end even if she won once before and she isn't that great in comps. Rachel and Porsche are nice goats to have around. (Don't take both to the end though or else they will dump you and stick together.) Shelley can therefore let Danielle or a newbie nominate Jeff and Brendon.
Going to F5 with the two couples intact is too dangerous because Brendon or Rachel could win F5, F4 HOH and F4 veto, guaranteeing their safety. Shelley would wind up needing F3 HOH.
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by zazzy on 08-12-11 at 11:13 AM
I thought the way Julie mentioned the vote numbers was strange...did she say 2mm or over 2mm? And then Brendan with more than a million? How could it be close? And how insulting for Keith and Cassi.The edit prior to the vote only reminded viewers of Dom, there was little/nothing to remind viewers of Keith or Cassi and was certainly built to enhance Brendan for the fairytale aspect of his return.
Maybe it's time to eavesdrop in on the scriptwriter and producer conference call. Hmmmm.
"HoH begins."
Posted by Estee on 08-11-11 at 11:59 PM
The hamsters were told to dress in some rat-dictated manner for this one, so they suspect it's physical. With that plus a lot of us have been guessing Endurance #3 for most of the week, I'm not expecting any fast results unless we all get a volcano.
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by rjrabbit on 08-12-11 at 01:20 AM
Dani won HOH
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by cahaya on 08-12-11 at 02:00 AM
The "almost nil" odds of survival for Dani & the Newbies just took a major leap into "remotely possible" territory.
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by tribephyl on 08-12-11 at 03:07 AM
*&$! YES!
Woo *BLEEEPING* Hoo!
*does a "Dani wins" dance"*
Pretty much foregone conclusion Rachel and Brendon end up in the nominee chairs... and a replay of the last two weeks (minus Lawon) *crossing fingers* takes place.On a side note...
Brenden? Really, America?
The fact that this "vote" was so low in response is proof, those who care, just aren't voting.
Now, Brenden is under the belief that we like him.
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by Outfrontgirl on 08-12-11 at 03:27 AM
I seem to be the lone one at Blows who wanted it to turn out this way. So ironic for Kalia and LaWon to do themselves in banking on the twist and blow the chance to have R and B battle each other.I'm not pro returning player in general. Survivor I wanted a Zapatera to win over Rob. But I just don't care for watching any of these newbies, and Dani's ice cold heart does nothing for me. My turn to be disappointed that she is HOH and a replay of the week before last is going to be boring, with more crying.
Would have liked to see Kalia and Porche on the block.
Re Shelley--I love to see people play the snake who are honestly playing bad guy, but I can't stand liars who act like they have integrity.
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by axbridge on 08-12-11 at 07:12 AM
LAST EDITED ON 08-12-11 AT 07:14 AM (EST)"Re Shelley--I love to see people play the snake who are honestly playing bad guy, but I can't stand liars who act like they have integrity."
I am in total agreement with you. Shelley cried early on because she lied and knew that her daughter would see it. Guess her concern was washed away by her total lack of integrity. And if she keeps smoking, those lips are going to explode.
In other news, I am ECSTATIC that Daniele won HOH! She is the only player left I can honestly root for. Jeff and Jordan are bullies, Rachel and Brendon are idiots and totally unlikeable, Kalia is the biggest dumbas* ever, Porsche is a total bimbo, Shelley is slimy, and Adam is a caricature. At least Daniele makes me laugh.
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by rayjj on 08-12-11 at 11:06 AM
>LAST EDITED ON 08-12-11
>AT 07:14 AM (EST) >
>In other news, I am ECSTATIC
>that Daniele won HOH!
>She is the only player
>left I can honestly root
>for. Jeff and Jordan
>are bullies, Rachel and Brendon
>are idiots and totally unlikeable,
>Kalia is the biggest dumbas*
>ever, Porsche is a total
>bimbo, Shelley is slimy, and
>Adam is a caricature.
>At least Daniele makes me
>laugh.
Could not have summed it up any better. Hated dani and ED first time around, loving her this time, mainly because she hates Brendon and Rachel.
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by zazzy on 08-12-11 at 12:02 PM
LOL, that's what makes this show entertaining! From what I see of Dani on the feeds, she is one constant bittercakes girl.From what I have read about her out of the house, she is not that way. But on BB she is so nasty! Ragan said due to lack of tv, books, etc., they only have bashing as their entertainment outlet.
Dani is Queen of Bashing, imo!
How much of this is prodded by the DR...I'd love to know. Like some of the things Rachel says...you can tell some of it is scripted. And Jeff is very scripted in the DR.
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by zazzy on 08-12-11 at 11:02 AM
ITA. IMO having Dani have to deal with Brendan is more interesting than watching Dani lay in a bed with Dom, click talk whispering.
Re: Shelly--the acting like she has integrity when no one was questioning it...that's what is going to cost her. Like when she was yelling for the bottom of the red grill to be returned to BB...'cause she doesn't lie...etc.
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by samboohoo on 08-12-11 at 12:38 PM
I tend to agree with you. As much as Brenchel annoy me, both of them together bother me less than Dani. 
Samboobree, brought to life by Arkie
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by michel on 08-12-11 at 06:41 PM
>Re Shelley--I love to see people
>play the snake who are
>honestly playing bad guy, but
>I can't stand liars who
>act like they have integrity.
>
You can't make moves and win this game or Survivor and be honest. You have to lie or, at the very least, mislead people.
As far as snakes that honestly played the bad guy, I can only name Jean Robert on Survivor China and ED on BB8. Every other snake acted like they were honest. Even RussHole said that he wanted to align with Laura because he was a good Christian just like her.
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by AyaK on 08-13-11 at 07:00 PM
>As far as snakes that honestly played the bad guy, I
>can only name Jean Robert on Survivor China and ED
>on BB8. Every other snake acted like they were honest. Have we forgotten Evil Dr. Will so easily? I loved his strategy -- he told everyone not to trust him, because he would double-cross them. Then, when he did double-cross them, they weren't mad, because they knew it might happen.
The difference between Dr. Will and ED, though, was that Will was an honest-to-goodness educated person and ED was an honest-to-goodness lowlife.
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by michel on 08-13-11 at 07:21 PM
I didn't start watching BB before season 5 so I didn't want to go by reputation! And that was the first real season of Big Brother anyway so it was easier to be a snake and bad guy. I hesitated to put Hatch in that category for the same reason. I still see Hatch acting as if he had integrity and playing the honesty card.
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by Wacko Jacko on 08-12-11 at 11:34 AM
"On a side note...
Brenden? Really, America?
The fact that this "vote" was so low in response is proof, those who care, just aren't voting.
Now, Brenden is under the belief that we like him. "Yes, I want to puke also.
Why could it not be Dominic? Actually I would have been fine with anyone but Brendon. The three booted newbies were all players.
I also want to puke at Jeff comments about the floaters because it is Jeff who has nominated Keith, Cassi and Dominic and voted to keep in Porsche, Shelly and Adam. So Jeff, because the non-floater this time is you it is all of a sudden wrong to not vote out a floater???????
I almost think the vote was rigged as the producers I am sure wanted brendon back in. Other than Outbackgirl, I have not met one person that likes Brendon.
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by Estee on 08-12-11 at 11:44 AM
The three booted newbies were all players.I think you're using the wrong definition of 'player' for Keith.
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by zazzy on 08-12-11 at 11:58 AM
So I'm curious, any of you who are unhappy with the outcome...did you vote? 2mm votes...so let's say everyone who voted at CBS, who took the time to register, give CBS an email, and then confirm their registration, went ahead and voted 10x after all those steps, the most you could vote at that site. With one computer/email address.
So 2mm/10 votes per person = 200,000 people bothered to vote. But wait! Some fans voted from more than one computer. Some people spent money to vote via text. So, less than 200,000 people voted on this.
I'm guessing that CBS makes enough from these pay to vote things to pay for some of the prizes in the comps. ;)
And, BTW, re: Kaysar's votes....Kaysar was single. Brendan is engaged and proclaiming his love to his fiance. More voters for the single attractive guy, hands down. OK, the single, non juvenile attractive guy (thus eliminating Dom and Keith). ANd did CBS limit the votes to ten on the website back then when Kaysar was in the running?
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by samboohoo on 08-12-11 at 12:39 PM
Did not vote, but happy with the outcome. I wanted someone to come in who could take Dani out. And Kalia. I'm undecided on Adam & Shelly.

Samboobree, brought to life by Arkie
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by jbug on 08-12-11 at 09:17 AM
before I even read other replies...I keep thinking of Dani's comment before she voted for Lawon ...
"I think I may regret this".... LOL
Bet she didn't sleep much & could have slapped herself!
""I will find my glory" "
Posted by zazzy on 08-12-11 at 10:47 AM
Someone from the BB house...prior to BB:http://thewearout.tumblr.com/post/546521907/yours-truly-singing-raven-from-brooklyn-the
"So, who *should* be nominated?"
Posted by Jims02 on 08-12-11 at 06:38 PM
LAST EDITED ON 08-12-11 AT 06:46 PM (EST)Don't want to derail this too much with strategy talk, but it seems like this week will be a second chance for Dani to fix some of her problems. And if she plays it just right with the nominees, she might be able to get something going.
Since there's still 9 houseguests left, we're looking at 6 votes for eviction (with Dani as tie-breaker). What she needs to do is figure out some nomination that will definitely split the vote, so she can leverage her, Kalia, and Porsche's votes into something worthwhile. The problem with last week's noms were that Rachel already seemed to have the votes (thanks to Adam and Shelly), so Kalia/Porsche/Dani had little leverage to make a deal.
She should consider putting up Shelly/Brendon and make Jeff/Jordan choose a side... If Jeff/Jordan chooses Shelly, it might create some bad blood with Rachel. The only problem with that might be that Jeff/Jordan might choose Brendon, and then Shelly leaving doesn't give them anything. Of course, it would also depend on where Adam would vote in such a situation (he's the real wildcard). In they could get Adam to vote out Brendon, then they might win over Shelly to their side.
(Or maybe Shelly should be a replacement nom instead?)
(Or maybe Shelly/Rachel would make it easier to push Adam into keeping Shelly?)
She could also maybe just do Brendon/Jeff (or some combo of 1-per-pair) and mess with them that way. I kind of like the Shelly idea more just because a Brendon/Jeff play might just bring them closer together again.
Either way, I think Brendon needs to be the target again for Dani this week.

A 2003 IceCat original
"RE: So, who *should* be nominated? Repeats"
Posted by michel on 08-12-11 at 06:56 PM
This will be déjà vu. Danielle should nominate Rachel and Brendon and eliminate the one that stays on the block. Replacement nominee would be Jordan just to force Jeff's hand. Easy: She did it once before and that part worked. Consider how well Danielle could have turned the situation around after that "backdoor Jeff fiasco": If Kalia had named Jordan as replacement nominee and if Duminic had won the vote and the comp, Dani would be in the driver's seat. Her present predicament isn't totally her fault.
"RE: So, who *should* be nominated?"
Posted by Outfrontgirl on 08-12-11 at 08:08 PM
Jims,
I like that you added your analysis! I haven't been thinking too much about what is the best move, as they seem to go for the obvious move or the dumbest move. The problem with putting up one per power pair is that if the non-nominated pair member gets to play (50-50 or better odds), and wins, that person can save the whole pair. Whereas if Rachel and Brendon go up, one of them will for sure be available to get votes.
I guess it is time for the producers to pull out some kind of super veto if they want Brenchel to stay in.
I really like your idea for forcing the houseguests to declare where their loyalty lies.
"RE: So, who *should* be nominated?"
Posted by cahaya on 08-12-11 at 08:37 PM
LAST EDITED ON 08-12-11 AT 09:18 PM (EST)She could also maybe just do Brendon/Jeff (or some combo of 1-per-pair) and mess with them that way.
That's the route I'd go and the only route ED thinks Dani should go from what he says in his twitters. She has to break up one of the two power couples while the opportunity presents itself.
Good point about whether to go with two of a pair or one from each pair to begin with and to end with. Of the four, I'd try to leave alone the one who'd most likely go adrift alliance-wise if they lost their partner, and that seems to be Jordan. And I'd try to initially put on the one to be targeted, and that would be Brendon. Thus, I'd put up Brendon+Jeff and replace with Rachel or put up Brendon+Rachel and replace with Jeff.
(eta) If you want to play the Veto Gambit, then put up Rachel+Jeff and replace with Brendon as the intended target.
"Throwing the HOH comp"
Posted by zazzy on 08-12-11 at 07:15 PM
Last night before the HOH comp JeJo said something about throwing the HOH comp. That ticks me off! Play, darn it!I think Shelly may have thrown it, too because she said today something about forgetting to multiply something by 2. A pile of baseballs in a chair? Or two chairs? Anyway, she's too sharp of a business woman to make that mistake for realz. Perhaps I'll know when they show the comp on tv tomorrow night.
Adam has not been trying to win. Kalia couldn't play.
So that leaves Brenchel, Dani and Porsche. Dani won and Porsche came in second. Are Brenchel that bad at estimating numbers of items? And wtg, vets side, for taking a 6 on one side to 2 on the other side comp and turning it into a 2 versus 2!
If JeJo, Adam or Shelly go this week it's their own fault.
"RE: Throwing the HOH comp"
Posted by Outfrontgirl on 08-12-11 at 08:02 PM
I watched some of Showtime last night, and both couples seemed to be lamenting the loss and beating themselves up about particular mistakes. Brendon said something about a comp (in another season?) where if you went over you were eliminated, and said he focused too much on not going over.Not having seen the comp or heard the rules, it was hard to follow, but I didn't hear anything from JeJo when they were alone on throwing the comp. It's not like Jordan is good at numbers. Brendon was probably their best hope, or Rachel.
btw, I didn't say I LIKE Brendon. I think he adds competitiveness to the cage, and I respect the way he puts all he can into challenges. And at least when he talks, he talks so I can hear him.
I was trying to listen to Dani and Porche last night and their whispering was so annoying. You can make a case for any of these guys being flawed, obnoxious, stupid about the game, emotional, egotistical, whatever, something annoying.
There is no reason why we should all be rooting for the same people or all hating the same people -- as it is not BB6.
"Does this plan sound familiar?"
Posted by Estee on 08-12-11 at 08:17 PM
Going into fish, Danielle was giving serious consideration to nominating Adam & Shelley as double pawns. The real intention: open up a slot via Veto and backdoor Brendon. The flaw: she can't like her odds on getting Kalia & Porsche both drawn for Veto play (plus controlling the later). If a boomerang wins...
"RE: Does this plan sound familiar?"
Posted by cahaya on 08-12-11 at 08:28 PM
Adam & Shelley... Veto play... If a boomerang wins... Too risky. If the Veto falls in the wrong hands, the power couples remain intact for yet another week and the window of opportunity to outnumber them is shrinking very fast.
"What would her father say?"
Posted by Estee on 08-12-11 at 10:08 PM
Phase One complete: Adam & Shelly are on the block. In lieu of applause...
"RE: What would her father say?"
Posted by zazzy on 08-12-11 at 11:21 PM
Shelly overplayed last week and it's biting her in the butt this week. She is in melt down mode...her power base is shrinking by the minute. Rach is lieing about what things Rach has said, Shelly tried throwing her under the bus....not sure how that took.Adam is the pawn and Shelly is the target. Can Shelly overcome this or is she toasty toast toast?
"RE: What would her father say?"
Posted by Round Robin on 08-13-11 at 01:27 AM
zazzy, I think you have it figured pretty good. I don't think this is a backdoor move of any type. I think Shelly is definitely the target with Adam as the pawn, and I think Daniele avoided putting up anybody from the power couples by design, in order not to have somebody up who might actually get the boot. Daniele has finally realized what Shelly is up to and wants to get her out because she's the least predictable and trustworthy player in the house and she wants to get her out while she has a shot at getting the votes to do it because she doesn't want Shelly's unpredictability and big mouth to bite her in the @$$ next week when she can't play for HoH.
"RE: What would her father say?"
Posted by cahaya on 08-13-11 at 00:02 AM
... ED's silent on twitter for the last 18 hours.His good buddy Jani Lane just passed away and he hadn't slept all night...
"RE: What would her father say?"
Posted by michel on 08-13-11 at 02:25 AM
I'll tell you what ED will say: Dumbass! You don't go after non-threats when you have real threats. I seriously doubt that Adam and Shelley have even tried to win HOH so why waste this opportunity? Danielle HAD to nominate Brendon and Rachel.
"RE: What would her father say?"
Posted by axbridge on 08-13-11 at 07:37 AM
I actually like this nomination. Adam is such a non-entity in this game it would be foolish to vote him out. (But then so was Lawon, so you never know.) Shelley, on the other hand, is dangerous because she plays so many games with every single person in the house. (I am still stunned that anyone would buy her "I'm in this to see you and ____ make it to the final two" line. Are these people missing chromosomes?)This also gives Daniele a great opportunity to replace Adam with Brendon, Rachel, Jeff, or Jordan at the veto meeting.
"RE: What would her father say?"
Posted by michel on 08-13-11 at 12:43 PM
If the nominations stay the same, Adam will be the unfortunate victim of Dani's idiotic game move. Shelley has done enough for the couples to get all their votes. They OWE her one so she is safe unless she completely goes insane for getting the nomination.
"RE: What would her father say?"
Posted by cahaya on 08-13-11 at 10:42 AM
You called it. See twitters below.
"What he did say..."
Posted by cahaya on 08-13-11 at 10:19 AM
From ED's twitter account...Well, she will realize, again, when Brenden is picked to play & wins and keeps the noms the same that they have wasted 3 HOH's
Is Dani's real plan to backdoor Brenden? There has to be a reason for the awful nominations. I see 3 wasted HOH's in a row for Dani & clowns
She f***ed up twice, three times and you're out...
and if Jeff, Jordan, Rach, Brenden do win, which is the most likely... then Adam goes. Woo Hoo, great plan. Are you kidding me
noms stay the same, Shelly stays. Dani goes out of power and next week goes up when Rachel wins...
They will say anything they can to save their a$$. She should send Brenden right back out the f***ing door
Bulls**t. So, say Adam or Shelly goes home and Jeff wins HOH. B&R won't turn on Dani? LMMFAO! right....
Bet on what? That Shelly is a bad eviction this week, Adam is worse & leaving the couples in the house is the worst idea of all
Stick your tongue out, now blow. Hear that fart sound? That's exactly what I think
More of ED's twitters.
Favorite line: ... she is playing such a good game, puppies, unicorns & rainbows...
"RE: What he did say..."
Posted by kingfish on 08-13-11 at 12:40 PM
Such a nurturing father!Easy to see why Dani avoids him in RL.
"RE: What he did say..."
Posted by michel on 08-13-11 at 12:47 PM
Called it!!!!I know these old rock n' rollers because I am one!
(minus the tatoos, the leather and the red hair)
"RE: What he did say..."
Posted by zazzy on 08-13-11 at 12:56 PM
Cool, any recordings we can look up?
"RE: What he did say..."
Posted by michel on 08-13-11 at 02:46 PM
No personal recordings but whenever I see Dick, Alice Cooper's "Killer" album comes to mind. I could suggest: "Under my wheels".
"RE: What he did say..."
Posted by suzzee on 08-17-11 at 08:54 AM
That was the first album I ever bought, sort of scared my Mom, especially when I taped the poster/calendar of Alice to my wall. ED does remind me of dear Alice but I'd pay to see Alice and would pay NOT to see ED. >snirk<

OH NO!
"RE: What he did say..."
Posted by kingfish on 08-17-11 at 11:04 AM
I drove a cab in Houston Tx while going to school, years ago. One of my trips was to pick up an Alice Cooper band member from a hotel (an ordinary Holiday Inn, actually) and take him to a show, I followed Alice's stretch limo. He and the rest of the group (including Alice) were in full makeup. There were some fairly scary looking chicks (beautiful, but scary) in the entourage.I guess this guy had done something to p.o. Alice, he rode alone in my cab.
"RE: Big Brother 13 Live Feeds Week 6:The victorious returning hamster. "
Posted by zazzy on 08-13-11 at 12:50 PM
LAST EDITED ON 08-13-11 AT 12:54 PM (EST)Cue the recording of the scriptwriter (S) and producer (P) phone call....and, transcribe:
S: What the he.ll happened? I leave to go to my family reunion and you have Lawon get evicted? I thought the plan was for Brendan to battle Rachel after Rachel was evicted! That would have made for terrific tv because the audience would have been torn about which one they would root for!
*crackle*...*crackle*
S: are you there? I can't hear what you just said.
P: remember when ED bailed out after 5 days? And the rest of the vets threatened to all pack up and leave, too, unless we gave them more money and guaranteed they would make jury...or at least, have a really, really, really good shot at making jury?
S: what? Jury? Who cares about jury? I thought you just wanted good ratings...who cares if they are in jury together!
P: well, jury means more screen time, something the vets all wanted. We send cameras to jury every so often to update viewers on their favorites. Jury is guaranteed stipend. And our polling shows the vets are pulling in the ratings much more than the newbs. Plus, they get to determine the winner.
S: next thing you'll tell me is that you have changed your mind about the winner. Don't tell me the poll has anything to do with it!
P: we did get 2mm+ votes in our poll. Not as many paid votes as we had hoped, but the economy is down compared to when Kaysar got voted back in.
S: I thought this game was supposed to be about power shifts. You have Dani in the HOH again for what is actually her third week, because we all know that Kalia did Dani's bidding for the first part of her HOH. How in the heck did Dani win?
*crackle* *crackle*
P: Dani....asked....first script....current week's script accidentally ....mistake...sorry... off the storyline...provided
S: And just WHAT have you done with Shelly? She had a bigger role than you have been showing and now she is on the block? Having meltdowns? Did you give her the wrong meds?
P: Shelly ...*crackle* ... moral majority conservative type. She went to the Glenn Beck rally, for Pete's sake! Can't have.....*crackle*....for a winner ... *crackle*...must be done.
S: You've killed my scripts! Brendan isn't even nominated!
P: It's BB. Expect the unexpected. Call back after the POV ceremony, we'll talk.
S: WHAT?
*click*
S: $%#&!
"Off Topic"
Posted by Puffy on 08-13-11 at 04:29 PM
You guys who don't usually participate in RTVW's Off Topic forum need to go there to read the "Sad News" thread, started by ARNutz.
"link"
Posted by dabo on 08-13-11 at 05:11 PM
http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID6/36894.shtml
"RE: link"
Posted by michel on 08-13-11 at 06:32 PM
After that, I suggest looking at the front page of BB spoilers to see the important contributions made by Vince.
A real nice guy.
"RE: link"
Posted by jbug on 08-13-11 at 09:21 PM
I was just thinking that in time all the threads started by him will fall off the front page.
"RE: link"
Posted by cahaya on 08-13-11 at 09:32 PM
As long as RTVW is here, they'll be here.And even after RTVW goes another way someday in the distant future, his spirit will remain with us.
"RE: link"
Posted by jbug on 08-13-11 at 09:41 PM

I know; it's just so sad 
His spirit will be with us in the Hamster House game. I can feel him there already!
"RE: Off Topic"
Posted by dabo on 08-13-11 at 10:36 PM

"PoV winner"
Posted by cahaya on 08-13-11 at 09:44 PM
Adam. Hopefully, he's not so confused that he doesn't know what to do.
"RE: PoV winner"
Posted by AyaK on 08-13-11 at 11:57 PM
LAST EDITED ON 08-13-11 AT 11:57 PM (EST)Hmmm. Things have been going Dani's way, not that it's helped her much.
Adam will take himself off, and Dani can put up someone that she might like to backdoor. But I think Shelly's probably gone, even if she does try that. Dani's got Kalia on her side, JeJo and Brenchel against her, and Porsche -- she can't be dumb enough to nominate Porsche, can she?
Well, sure she can, if she wants to rejoin the veteran alliance. Does she?
"RE: PoV winner"
Posted by Jims02 on 08-14-11 at 00:09 AM
LAST EDITED ON 08-14-11 AT 00:10 AM (EST)Indeed. Whether she knows it or not, Adam winning POV might have been the best thing that could happen for Dani.
Her initial thought right now is to put Brendon up. And Rachel is currently having some buyers remorse over her 2nd HOH week. She is now second-guessing Jeff and claiming that they should have gone through with keeping Dominic and BD'ing Jeff that week. Brendon is actually agreeing with her. There is quite a bit of throwing-under-the-bus going on in the hammock in the backyard.
I'm not sure what exactly is prompting Brenchel to distrust Jeff/Jordan (Diary Room? Shelly being on the block?) but some very visible cracks are now showing.
"RE: PoV winner"
Posted by zazzy on 08-14-11 at 09:36 AM
It's because Rachel is an ingrate. Shelly, Jeff, Jordan worked last week to keep Rachel in the game.What does she do? She and Bren make a deal with Dani pre noms this week that Dani will target Jeff/bd Jeff.
So right away, they've thrown JeJo under the bus. All Rach is doing now is backwards justifying her/their decision.
This is right up there with the comments that people only play for themselves. OBVI! What do you expect in this game?
Rach is on my last nerve.
I don't know if Dani will pick Jeff or Bren. They had a one week deal, and Dani won a pass to play in next week's veto. So, she does not need the deal as badly now.
She has told Jeff to his face that he is not her target, but this is Dani we're talking about.
"RE: PoV winner"
Posted by zazzy on 08-14-11 at 11:45 AM
OK, a bit more caught up on last night's feeds summary and Dani went to the door of the HN room to talk with Shelly and told Shelly she was putting up Brendan and that Shelly should not stress. She went out of her way to make this "visit" and to tell Shelly this. Shelly said she "got" it and it took her 42 days to "get" it (meaning get Brenchel out of the house).Earlier she had said (to Kalia? Porsche?) that she was going to lie and tell everyone she was putting up Brendan, but now...it may be that because she won the POV card (ability to play in a POV when she is not nommed or chosen to play), she wants to go ahead and get Brendan out.
Meanwhile, Adam reported that Brendan wins around 80 percent of the competitions he is in.
That's a huge reason to break the Dani-Brenchel pact and backdoor Brendan.
"RE: PoV winner"
Posted by zazzy on 08-14-11 at 09:44 AM
Brenchel made a deal with Dani....so Brenchel would vote out Jeff.But, since it would be Jeff vs Shelly, Rach may rethink that due to the big Shelly-Rach-Por fight after noms. LOL!
I hope it's Brendan, or better yet, Rach.
"RE: PoV winner"
Posted by Round Robin on 08-15-11 at 01:19 AM
I hope she backdoors Rachel. I'd give my left nut to have Rachel tossed out of the house, and if Daniele backdoors her now even with Shelly on the block who most of the house wants out, I think Rachel is dead meat.
"RE: PoV winner"
Posted by jbug on 08-15-11 at 10:14 AM
!
I thought you were a Peach! LOL
"Some results from POV "
Posted by Rebel Crown on 08-14-11 at 05:37 AM
LAST EDITED ON 08-14-11 AT 05:40 AM (EST)Shelly is in the Have-not room for 24 hours, but she will receive a phone call from home.
Jeff won $5000. But regretting not winning POV when he could have.
Kalia won a vacation. She's happy.
With the POV, Adam says he will use it on himself (he's no Marcellas). So, now we wait for Dani to make up her mind as to which pair she will screw over.
Jordon is wearing a fairy costume, with a dunce cap and a "I'm with Stupid" sign. At least she's having fun with it.

And, to top it off, a legal "SWOOP". My second ever!
On a personal note, I never had the chance to interact with vince3, but I did enjoy his posts and sense of humor. It's a sad day. He will be missed.
"A Question"
Posted by michel on 08-14-11 at 09:56 PM
When did Porsche actually leave the veterans and joined Danni and Kalia?
"RE: A Question"
Posted by cahaya on 08-14-11 at 11:51 PM
Good question, but it had to have been very soon after Brendon found his way back into the game. According to the live feed spoilers, it was on early Friday afternoon when Porsche spilled the beans on Shelly's pact with BR to go to the final 3 together.
"RE: A Question"
Posted by samboohoo on 08-15-11 at 10:19 AM
I think it was during Kalia's reign. I think she thought Rachel was gone and knew she needed somewhere else to go. 
Samboobree, brought to life by Arkie
"RE: A Question"
Posted by zazzy on 08-15-11 at 03:08 PM
It was fairly clear she joined the Danikalia sorority last week by the amount of time she spent hanging out in the HOH room.After Dani won HOH this week and Shelly waged the Rach/Por fight, Por later said to Dani and Kalia something like "well, you've got me now, there's no going back" (just going from memory, so words are totally paraphased).
"POV ceremony"
Posted by zazzy on 08-15-11 at 03:10 PM
and the renom goes to:Brendan!
*zazzy sends up cheers--Woo Hoo! *
(Can't stand his whining and treatment of Rach and the we're the only ones who deserve to be here comments....and I want to see how Shelly rebounds from the bad week she's had this week).
Fingers crossed for Thursday night.
"RE: POV ceremony"
Posted by cahaya on 08-15-11 at 03:27 PM
Well, this should be an interesting vote.I see a good chance Shelly will go out anyway. Rachel will obviously vote for Shelly, J&J hard to say depending on if they want to keep the vet alliance intact for at least another week and if so they'll vote Shelly, and the newbies will probably follow Dani's lead. It could turn out to be a 3-3 vote.
"RE: POV ceremony"
Posted by Belle Book on 08-15-11 at 05:06 PM
In which case, Daniele will break the tie -- and she'll probably send Brendon to the jury.
"RE: POV ceremony"
Posted by michel on 08-15-11 at 05:40 PM
That's how I see it.
Danni would nominate Brendon only if:
- she was absolutely certain that she had 3 votes on him
- she was absolutely insane.
I still think she isn't that dumb.If Jordeff are smart, they will realize Brendon's a sinking ship and rally to Shelley's side but then, suddenly, Danni, Kalia, Porsche and Adam form the majority alliance. Just goes to show that many players made stupid moves if Dani can come out on top after all her mistakes and bad luck.
"RE: POV ceremony"
Posted by Outfrontgirl on 08-15-11 at 06:06 PM
Jejo and Adam should vote out Shelly. If they don't, Dani, Kailia, Porsche have control of the voted next week with Brendon gone.Adam, I don't think he has a way back in with those women. He can give them his vote, but they will not consider him a trustworthy ally again. Plus they now know he can win a POV when his back is against the wall, so he's no longer a non-threat due to complete challenge ineptitude.
If Brendon goes, Jeff is the next target if any of the girls win HOH. Rachel has been flubbing the competitions, while Jeff is a big threat. I'm sure Jeff realizes that Brendon is his shield.
The vets need to get Dani out, and then they can turn on each other, but as long as Dani is there unifying Kalia and Porsche, they need each other.
It is not in either Jeff or Adam's interest to be the last two guys in a house with six women. Shelley is not worth keeping; her cover is blown, and she is a legitimate threat to get jury votes if she stays.
Dani is not playing a good game. She doesn't stick with her plans. She could have let Brendon and Rachel think she had lived up to her deal and been safe next week if they won HOH, but no, she made Shelly her enemy and she will have to deal with the wrath of Rachel or Brenchel, one of the two.
While this is a true back door of Brendon, as he didn't get to play the POV, and that must have made Dani feel like it was a chance she couldn't pass up -- whenever you back door someone, that puts more of a target on you, just as someone who is willing to play that way. Although Rachel goes full tilt revenge no matter what, and Dani is already a huge target.
It will be interesting to see whether the others like the idea of getting Brendon out via the back door with no blood on their hands, or whether Jeff and Adam think ahead and realize they are toast if they let D-K-P and Janus-Shelly take over.
"RE: POV ceremony"
Posted by michel on 08-15-11 at 09:25 PM
"Adam, I don't think he has a way back in with those women"But he has even less with the couples so he should choose the side that has less solid bonds.
"I'm sure Jeff realizes that Brendon is his shield"
And luckily, he gets to use him again this week. Rachel is also a shield. Not as good but he could always have a shot at winning a vote against her.
"Dani is not playing a good game"
True but now that Shelley has lost her cool, everyone else is playing even worse. Everyone except maybe Jordan who no one worries about. That's why she's the only winner in the bunch.
"RE: POV ceremony"
Posted by cahaya on 08-16-11 at 12:23 PM
"Adam, I don't think he has a way back in with those women"But he has even less with the couples so he should choose the side that has less solid bonds.
According to the spoiler sites, it's looking like JJBR holding up their boomerang alliance, so Shelly's going to get 3 eviction votes from them. Kalia and Porsche are going against Brendon, following Dani's lead, so that's 3-2.
The wild card here is Adam. If he votes Shelly, she's history. If he votes Brendon, then Dani will cast the tie-breaker to see Brendon out the door.
Late last night, Jeff tries to convince Adam to vote against Shelly instead of Brendon. Adam doesn't seem to be committed either way, but he also isn't using his pivotal voting position to his advantage to strike any deals.
"striking deals....."
Posted by jbug on 08-16-11 at 12:31 PM
this could be happening elsewhere on RTVW.http://tinyurl.com/hamsterhouse
"RE: striking deals....."
Posted by Corvis on 08-16-11 at 01:00 PM
Well, it could be if people read their PMs...
"RE: POV ceremony"
Posted by Wacko Jacko on 08-16-11 at 12:21 PM
LAST EDITED ON 08-16-11 AT 12:23 PM (EST)>Jejo and Adam should vote out
>Shelly. If they don't,
>Dani, Kailia, Porsche have control
>of the voted next week
>with Brendon gone.
>
>If Brendon goes, Jeff is the
>next target if any of
>the girls win HOH.
>Rachel has been flubbing the
>competitions, while Jeff is a
>big threat. I'm sure
>Jeff realizes that Brendon is
>his shield.
>
>It is not in either Jeff
>or Adam's interest to be
>the last two guys in
>a house with six women.
> Shelley is not worth
>keeping; her cover is blown,
>and she is a legitimate
>threat to get jury votes
>if she stays.
I agree, JeJo should vote out Shelly. Her cover is blown and having two people on their side is better than one. Alos, the shield factor. Get rid of the newbies. If they do that it comes down to the two couples....Dani is eventually gone...it is a matter of time. The two couples are the best at challenges other than Dani.
I still really don't ever see Brenchal trusting Dani, afterall she was the reason Brendan went the first time and once again Dani puts him up. BRenchal is now forced to go back and aligned with JeJo. The key now becomes Adam who would give one couple the advantage over the other.
"Something's up."
Posted by zazzy on 08-16-11 at 03:07 PM
I'm getting a bad feeling for Shelly. Like DR involvement, perhaps? She has not been getting a good edit from the show, and this week she could be expendable if the show thinks having Brenchel together in the game equals ratings. Sigh. Dani has been very clear about wanting Brendan out. Adam told Dani that Brendan wins eighty percent of the comps he's in. Dani told Shelly the target is Brendan. And she told Kalia.
The way the DR could have spun it to Dani is that Dani makes separate deals with both Brenchel and JeJo, with each thinking they have the only deal with Dani, and Brendan stays.
Shelly's gone, and who in the game is targeting Dani? No one who made a deal. And Kalia/Porsche are on Dani's side. That leaves Adam. Dani is foxy enough to cut a deal with Adam when she needs it.
This is the time I start to lose interest in the show because the invisible hand starts to be visible.
If the 5 vets reband together as one unit with adjuncts Kalia and Porsche, Adam is toast unless he wins HOH.
Then the following week Dani wins HOH and repeats her trick of throwing one of the vets under the bus, quickly in a fast forward ep, and the show rolls on from there.
Arrrgggh. I wanted to see if Shelly would actually try to win a comp. Now the phone call to home may be the acme of her story arc.
"RE: Something's up."
Posted by kingfish on 08-16-11 at 04:46 PM
LAST EDITED ON 08-16-11 AT 07:31 PM (EST)"Shelly's gone, and who in the game is targeting Dani? No one who made a deal."
I would be remiss if I didn't point out that no "You're safe now if you keep me safe later" deal is worth anything in the BB house. It is in fact usually a well worn and unbelievably obvious con.
"RE: Something's up."
Posted by zazzy on 08-16-11 at 05:02 PM
Yes, you are safe until you aren't...there are alliances, like Kalia and Dani and then there are alliances, like anyone with Brenchel.If Dani gets nommed, you know it will be a POV she can win. More drama.
"RE: Something's up."
Posted by Belle Book on 08-16-11 at 08:13 PM
I'm sure the DR is going to try to keep Brendon in the show for the drama. I've always suspected that part of the reason why Brendon was voted back in by America is because Production edited him to be better than he really was. But Daniele's a veteran herself, and I doubt she'll be easily manipulated by Production like that.
"RE: Something's up."
Posted by Outfrontgirl on 08-18-11 at 06:49 AM
Tonight's show wasn't real kind to Shelly. It painted Brendan as the underdog, and didn't make Shelly seem to be in much danger once the POV meeting was held.I am not sure if that's because it is cut and dried that Brendan is toast and Shelly is safe, or whether they are trying to worry the Brendan fans and they think he will make it. They certainly showed Jeff as ready to vote Brendan out, and Dani's group is clearly set.
OTOH, I felt Shelly's phone call was as you suggested a good wrap to her story arc. But there is always the chance they are building her up as sympathetic. I can't stand her theatrics, they make Rachel look understated, so I'm kind of biased.
I do feel that Jeff and Jordan are getting the hero and heroine edit, with Dani as the dark horse bad girl.
I just don't see how Jeff stays in the house with Brendan gone, if Dani's side wins HOH. Dani made it clear she is going after strong competitors, which would be Jeff -- not Rachel.
One other reason that Jeff and Jordan might vote out Shelley is they simply don't want to go through babysitting Widow Rachel for another whole week or more. I think both of them have been shown saying that it would suck, which is why Jeff asked Dani to backdoor Rachel.
I can see their point.
"RE: Something's up."
Posted by kingfish on 08-18-11 at 09:24 AM
LAST EDITED ON 08-18-11 AT 09:25 AM (EST)They are building drama. But realistically, the best result I can see for Brendon is JJ+R= 3 votes, which with Dani breaking the tie is his eviction. There are still some variables, maybe Adam is being persuaded, or maybe JJ will decide that going with the flow is better for their chances in the coming weeks.
The problem with story arcs in BB is that there is a live show each week, so, week to week, it's tough really control a story or know when it'll end. They do what they can with what they have, I guess.
"RE: Something's up."
Posted by cahaya on 08-18-11 at 09:41 AM
LAST EDITED ON 08-18-11 AT 09:46 AM (EST)Yup, I see Adam as the swing vote. If votes Shelly, she's out (assuming JJ+R = 3); if he votes Brendon, Dani will break the tie (assuming KaPoAd = 3).
The usual episode recap from yours truly.
"RE: Something's up."
Posted by jbug on 08-18-11 at 10:12 AM
re Jeff & Jordan
They are definitely giving them the good edit - but, I have a feeling Jordan really is that much of a kind person. When she got the solitary confinement WITH the phone call it only took a moment for her to realize what that would mean to someone else - Shelly sitting next to her.
Knowing if she took the veto that someone would take it from her later & not knowing what she might get? good or bad, she gave it up. A lot of people call her dumb, but her heart is gold.Now Jeff? kept his $5000. I don't think he stopped to think about the veto. He didn't want it; he knew Adam would take it. But he didn't think about what Jordan MIGHT get stuck with when the veto was taken from her. He could have given her the $5grand, taken the veto & then whatever Adam got to trade him for it.
"Jeff"
Posted by samboohoo on 08-18-11 at 12:12 PM
At that point, though, he didn't know about the unitard. Yes, it was safe to assume something bad could be coming, but none of the other prizes were really that bad. The solitary confinement came with a phone call from home. And, 24 hours away from Rachel is like a vacation and might end up being better than Kalia's non-specific vacation.

Samboobree, brought to life by Arkie
"RE: Jeff"
Posted by zazzy on 08-19-11 at 11:13 AM
I think the unitard usually comes out in the end in those types of comps. Jeff knew if he took the POV he would not get to keep it, he would get something else.His calculated risk paid off. Now with that 5k and the earlier 10k he won, he can afford to buy Jordan a ring.
So Jordan will see the $ in a way. Or plane tickets. 5k buys a bunch of plane tickets (but how much longer will they go on with the long distance stuff?).
"RE: Something's up."
Posted by AyaK on 08-18-11 at 11:10 AM
I disagree. I watched some of last night's live broadcast, and Brendan is gone, gone, gone. He and Rachel were in the purple room by themselves all night, while everyone else was hanging out together. Rachel told Brendan that (in her infinite lack of wisdom) she thought JeJo were out to get her and that she'd be the next one out after Brendan if JeJo win HOH. She said that if she won HOH, she'd put up Jeff and Dani, and if Jeff won POV, she'd put up Jordan in his place. Doesn't sound like the talk of someone with any secret alliances . . . or, for that matter, any real plans.
"RE: Something's up."
Posted by cahaya on 08-18-11 at 11:27 AM
Your assessment seems to be spot on. I'll even retract my prediction of a 3-3 vote in favor of a landslide to see Brendon out of the house.Some snippets from a spoiler site, with events occuring after the renomination:
Jeff approached Brendon to tell him that they would be voting to save him if it wasn't a guarantee that Adam would be on their side. Fearing that Adam was going to float over to the side of Porsche and Kalia, Jeff and Jordan realized that they wouldn't have enough votes to save Brendon anyways. With a tie vote, it would be up to Daniele to break the tie, and the thought process quickly became that she would vote Brendon right out the door.
When the conversation started involving Jordan and Rachel on Wednesday (in the pool), Jordan seems to have had enough of her in the house. Jordan went off on her about how she had to be babysat in the house and how Rachel could never keep quiet about anything. The emotions of both women became very heated in this conversation, and it quickly became obvious that the foursome in this alliance weren't going to be working together any longer. Now heading into the Thursday eviction show on Big Brother 13, it seems that the only person that will be supporting Brendon with a vote is Rachel.
"RE: Something's up."
Posted by AyaK on 08-18-11 at 08:00 PM
Thanks, cahaya. I'm sorry that I've been too busy to read more than a few of your summaries, but I'll try to make up for that in the future.I only got the live feeds once (season 3), and I hadn't watched much of "BB13" or "BBAD" this entire season until last night (when I watched about 75 minutes because I couldn't sleep). I still haven't figured out the current power dynamic in the house, because JeJo looked more like floaters than a so-called "power couple". That had to mean that they aren't expecting to have any alliance with Rachel after Brendon goes (as was confirmed by Rachel's silly comments).
"RE: Something's up."
Posted by zazzy on 08-19-11 at 11:27 AM
The tide turned on Brendan for a variety of reasons....some of which were the way Brenchel behaved together, the PDA, the beds,
the late night sex (and other hamsters finding a used towel, or seeing the sheets, etc. One night was in the single bed right next to Shelly while Shelly was sleeping. Wonder what Shelly would have done if she had awakened at that point since she was already on her last nerve with the two of them), Brendan's voracious appetite, Rachel's cooking for Brendan where she would cook more than even he would eat and the rest would be wasted. A lot of complaining that the house was running out of food this week.BTW, the trick with feeds to is use flashback....check out a BB site that tells you what is worth watching with the BB time and camera, and go straight to that 2 or 4 minutes or so to get the gist. Like Jordan in the pool telling Rachel like it is ....that she needed baby sitting the previous week, etc., with Jeff and Brendan getting into it, too, and having Brenchel say with straight faces to JeJo that they had never thrown them under the bus... BB left so much out last night... that was the fight people wanted to see on the show. The scene by the couches about not voting for them was just for openers!
The feeds are the real show...and you get to see funny stuff, too, like Jordan, the human trumpet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMqFQnRaTu0
(BTW, songs over 100 years old are ok for them to sing/hum on BB, like "For She's a Jolly Good Fellow" or "Oh When the Saints".)
"Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!'"
Posted by Estee on 08-17-11 at 07:19 AM
In what might be the latest rat plan to save Brendon from eviction, Kalia has been told that if she doesn't figure out what 'no singing' means immediately and permanently, she's going to enjoy a penalty nomination. You'd think this would be an empty threat -- but just for the sheer ignominy of it, let us very briefly hope.
...okay, that's over.
"RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!'"
Posted by kingfish on 08-17-11 at 08:26 AM
'retha!
"RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!'"
Posted by Estee on 08-17-11 at 09:07 AM
I call her Urethra because everything about her is piss-poor.
"RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!'"
Posted by axbridge on 08-17-11 at 09:17 AM
LOL Best line of the season!
"RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!'"
Posted by kingfish on 08-17-11 at 11:32 AM
LAST EDITED ON 08-17-11 AT 11:33 AM (EST)
"I call her Urethra because everything about her is piss-poor. "
And, maybe because her singing causes a burning sensation?
"RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!'"
Posted by cahaya on 08-17-11 at 12:30 PM
Uretcha?
"RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!'"
Posted by Round Robin on 08-18-11 at 01:41 AM
It's an empty threat. If they actually try to do it, she'll either A) threaten to go Chima on them, or B ) make a big stink about it and play the race card. They don't want to deal with either of those, so they'll back off and keep the cameras off her as much as possible, but all the while they'll be doing their DR manipulation to try to get her voted out.
"RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!'"
Posted by zazzy on 08-18-11 at 12:33 PM
I'll take the other side and say that she forgets about the admonition and starts up again and gets a penalty nom at a time when she is on the block.I forsee a CBS montage of all the times she started to sing and BB admonishing her. And then her telling Dani that she got chastised. And the worry and concern that she may actually get *gasp* voted out due to that and suddenly she is campaigning with a vengeance.
Either that or they do an eating montage for Kalia but I think CBS is going to have some self control and not harass a woman for stress eating this year since Porsche's done it, too. And Jordan, sometimes, when she isn't on slop. Even Jeff said he was on his 15th meal yesterday.
"RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!'"
Posted by AyaK on 08-18-11 at 07:43 PM
It seems to me that we've discussed the singing issue in previous BB seasons. Actually, it's simple: the procducers have to pay royalties whenever a hamster sings a published song. Even if the song just goes out on the internet feeds, but significantly more if the song goes out on the Showtime "Big Brother After Dark" feeds. The producers haven't budgeted anything for royalties. Therefore, no singing.It's happened before, and it will happen again. But it's absolutely a real issue, and Kalia deserves at least a penalty nom if she can't stop it. It isn't an attempt to save Brendon from his certain doom (which he deserves for hooking up with a nutjob like Rachel).
"RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!'"
Posted by kingfish on 08-18-11 at 08:25 PM
Curious, how much of a tune has to be performed in order to owe a royalty? A full 8 bars? Or would a one or two bar snatch qualify? And would it have to be the words with melody, or would the words of a song without melody (or horribly sung) qualify, or what?There are a lot of songs that might have the same lead-in or similar progressions (I.e. almost every dang country western song before 1950), so there have to be limits. And does Weird Al Yankovic (for example) pay royalties for his parodies?
And, for example If a Herb Alpert melody was played on a piano instead of a trumpet, would a royalty liability ensue?
Finally, how much of a bill has Dangerous Sagebrush Dan racked up for his birthday dittys?
"RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!'"
Posted by AyaK on 08-18-11 at 09:09 PM
LAST EDITED ON 08-18-11 AT 09:12 PM (EST)Let's answer these in a different order than asked.
Songs are published by publishing companies that in turn belong to one of three performing rights organizations in the U.S.: ASCAP, BMI or SESAC. (Canada used to have two, but they merged into one, called SOCAN, in 1989.) The performing rights organizations license public performances of their members' music to network television, cable channels, nightclubs, stores, restaurants, politicians and other places where the songs will be performed with a public audience (except for dramatic performances, such as in a play, which follow a different regime).
"Curious, how much of a tune has to be performed in order to owe a royalty? A full 8 bars? Or would a one or two bar snatch qualify? And would it have to be the words with melody, or would the words of a song without melody (or horribly sung) qualify, or what?"
I believe virtually any amount, including a one or two bar snatch, would require payment of a royalty under the PRO contracts. And it counts even if you just hum the song and never sing the words, since someone composed and published the music -- unless it's a tune in the public domain, such as an old folk song.
"And does Weird Al Yankovic (for example) pay royalties for his parodies?"
The authors of the songs that Weird Al parodies do, in fact, collect royalties. Similarly, the authors of songs sampled in other songs collect royalties for the use of the samples. There have been some acrimonious disputes about the value of a sample. In one of the most egregious cases, a music publisher threatened a rock group (that used sampled music in the background and had already agreed to give the authors of the sampled song full composing credit for the music) with refusing permission for use of the sampled music unless the authors of the original song were given 100% of the publishing credit. Because the song was becoming a hit, the group felt like it had little choice but to agree -- because the song would have to be withdrawn from release if they didn't. And that's why the sole composing credit on the song "Bittersweet Symphony" by the Verve, which was written by Richard Ashcroft but used a sample from "The Last Time", reads "Mick Jagger-Keith Richards".
"There are a lot of songs that might have the same lead-in or similar progressions (I.e. almost every dang country western song before 1950), so there have to be limits."
If the song can't be identified, how would a publisher be able to prove that it owns the song? But that's not going to happen very often on BB13.
"And, for example If a Herb Alpert melody was played on a piano instead of a trumpet, would a royalty liability ensue?"
Sure. It's a public performance of a published song.
"Finally, how much of a bill has Dangerous Sagebrush Dan racked up for his birthday dittys?"
I haven't seen any public performances of them, so I'd say ... about $0.
"RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!'"
Posted by Round Robin on 08-19-11 at 02:24 AM
I still say it's a tempest in a teapot. The bad PR that publicly penalizing a black woman for singing on a reality show would surely cost SeeBS more than shelling out a few grand for royalties would, and for any rights owner to make an issue of it, especially if said rights owner is white, would cost them more in bad PR than the lost royalties. Kalia and her black friends and fans will absolutely raise a huge stink and play the race card if anybody white pursues royalties for her singing, so SeeBS, the producers, and any royalty rights owner considering b1tching about this would be well advised to let the matter drop. Unless the amount in question would reach close to or into 6 figures, it ain't worth the fight IMO.
"RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!'"
Posted by michel on 08-19-11 at 05:25 PM
LAST EDITED ON 08-19-11 AT 05:25 PM (EST)Only problem is that contestants sign their life away when they go on the show. Kalia couldn't raise a stink because her contract forbids her to do so. And SeeBS certainly has a valid legal argument to make: They have to cut the feeds every time someone starts singing and they've promised viewers live feeds so the singing interferes with the network's commitment to their viewers.
Anyway, were they to decide that Kalia needs to be banned from the show, editing would make her look so bad that no one would raise a finger to defend her. Remember Chyma, NaOnka, etc...
"RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!'"
Posted by kingfish on 08-19-11 at 06:20 PM
And they keep using Kalia's ugly and mean farewell tapes. Her edit will make it easy and painless if they need to kick her out.
"RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!'"
Posted by zazzy on 08-20-11 at 01:40 PM
Oh, good point. I thought they were trying to have a back up villain if Dani got booted. The show has to have its villains!
"RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!'"
Posted by Estee on 08-19-11 at 07:29 AM
It's possible to dodge royalties, but the out generally applies to instrumentals -- and Kalia hasn't been caught playing on anything except our nerves.http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheJimmyHartVersion
"wow!"
Posted by jbug on 08-19-11 at 09:52 AM
So, AI pays royalties for every audition - or partial, bit of an audition - that gets aired?
and X Factor?
and SYTYCD?
and DWTS?
and those singing shows....Don't forget the lyrics, etc?I remember once a co I worked for had a commercial jingle written to tune; then had to drop it because we couldn't get permission to use it.
I'm not doubting you, Ayak.
I've just never realized what is involved!
"RE: wow!"
Posted by kingfish on 08-19-11 at 10:42 AM
I'm going to have to check my shower stall for bugs.
"RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!'"
Posted by zazzy on 08-19-11 at 11:04 AM
From what I have seen on talk shows is that someone can sing a line from a song but no more...if they were to go on for more than that, then the royalties kick in. The hosts on the View have mentioned this. (Now, my understanding may not be correct, but it's what I have observed.)
On the BB feeds the WBRB cuts in somewhere around the end of the first line of a song.
Sometimes, one of the hamsters will sing just one line and nothing happens....like Jeff cooking yesterday and he sorta sang one line of a song, changing the last few words (don't recall the song). Then he stopped. Nothing happened.
The thing with Kalia is that she keeps on going and going.
Production is very put out with her.
She has a rules - don't - apply - to - me attitude on other matters, too, at times, so it's part of her overall attitude/lack of respect of authority.
I've watched her wondering if she has ever worked in an office, with a boss, having to abide by rules. Probably not...seeing her background. She had to listen to a director when she was on Broadway, but I heard her tell someone that she was over that (being on Broadway) now.
I see her as a creative free spirit who has her own drum beat. And that drum beat is going to bite her in the tush if she doesn't have more self control.
"RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!'"
Posted by AyaK on 08-19-11 at 01:47 PM
LAST EDITED ON 08-19-11 AT 01:49 PM (EST)Under copyright law there is a "fair use" doctrine that permits the use of a small excerpt of something without needing to pay royalties.
It's certainly possible to believe that the use of one line of a published song is a fair use, as long as there is no additional use.
And on a point above, AI signs individual licensing deals with the publishers, because they'd never be able to afford the show otherwise. That's one of the main reasons for the "theme weeks", and also one of the main reasons that you'll read about an AI contestant complaining that he or she wanted to perform such-and-such song, but the show couldn't get "clearance" for him or her to perform it. "Clearance" is newspeak for "the show couldn't get the publisher to agree to a reduced public performance price, and the show wasn't willing to pay full price."
"RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!'"
Posted by kingfish on 08-19-11 at 04:13 PM
Appreciate the education. And whether or not Kaila's mis-tunes could be subject to royalties or not, the producers/lawyers probably don't want the question to even arise.Just a rhetorical question, but why do so many overweight afro american ladies think they can sing like Aretha, or Mahalia? I mean, some surely can, but so many just can't. I think more people than just me are over-impressed with their shower voice.
"RE: Or it could just mean 'Shut uo already!'"
Posted by cahaya on 08-19-11 at 04:40 PM
Yeah, second the education part of that. I've read some about this in various news stories in the past, but AyaK's explanation is clear and concise.