Does anyone else think the way they handed out the 30 minute penalty to the Globetrotters was weird.

Either Phil knew or did not know about what happened with the fanny bag before Ron/Christine checked in.

If he did not know what happened before Ron/Christine checked in, why was Phil giving out a 30 minute penalty just on the word of Ron/Christine. Shouldn't he do a little investigation before handing out the penalty. Shouldn't he at least ask the Globetrotters their side of the story. Shouldn't he ask a production staff member that was on the scene what happened?

If he did know what happened before Ron/Christine checked in, why was he acting like he was just finding out and needed for Ron/Christine to complain before giving the Globetrotters a penalty. Would there have been no penalty, even if TAR knew about what happened if Ron/Christine did not complain?

Either way I was left feeling the whole 30 minute penalty process was somewhat arbitrary

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I found it odd too. I was wondering if he was just waiting for them to complain about it to assess the penalty. If they didn't mention it maybe the Globetrotters would have been safe. It's kind of in the gray area of the rules.

The way the mat interview with Ron and Christina went, I think Phil knew this in advance. I have a notion that camera operators inform someone in the crew when an unusual situation arises such as this (as well as including the medical emergency that we saw this week, too).

What did surprise me, though, is that he didn't mention anything about this to the Trotters, and we never saw him telling the Trotters that they were being imposed a 30 minute penalty. Perhaps they were already off to their Pit Stop rooms and not available in time for this to be assessed on the spot.

I don't think the 30 minute process was arbitrary, but with some events not shown to the viewer (i.e., Phil informing the Trotters of the penalty) I do think the editing of it was.

I agree that the editing of it was weird.

I happen to think that Phil may not have known when Herb/Nate first arrived, then when Ron/Chris got there and said something, it was verified by Ron/Chris' camera guys... but at that point, Herb/Nate were already away from the mat.

It is possible that they will show Phil telling them next week at the pit start.

I think that makes the most sense. Maybe Phil waited until they arrive to confirm that it was not a deliberate attempt mess with another player's pack which 100% against the rules. It did look like from the start that it was a simple mistake on the HGT part, but really they should had put the pack back to it's original spot, that would had taken them a lot less the 30 minutes to do.

I felt the penalty was not warranted at all. The Globetrotters made an innocent mistake and made a reasonable effort to make things right. Had Ron & Christina not arrived at the mat in a whiny mood, I doubt any penalty would have been issued.

I disagree. The movement of Ron/Chris' bag impeded their progress on the race. If Herb/Nate put it back, then that is different, but Ron/Chris lost time searching for it because they moved it.

There is an explicit rule which says teams are not allowed to do this. This has come up before. If you recall during their season, Jet/Cord moved some items (bicycle pumps?) and they were assessed a penalty. I feel this is very much the same kind of thing.

The difference is that Jet/Cord did it maliciously to slow people up. The Globetrotters made a mistake; they just didn't take the time to fix it. I see both sides of the situation and think Phil made a fair assessment.

Whether it's intentional or not, they slowed another team by their mistake.

Herb/Nate did not intend to slow down Ron/Chris, but the time Ron/Chris spent searching for the pack DID cause them to be delayed.

From fanwiki:

Hindering or Impeding: No person or team is allowed to get in the way or prevent other teams from proceeding with what they have to do in the Race, except when choosing to use the Yield on them, which is part of the game. Otherwise, a 30-minute time penalty will be imposed. (E.G.: TAR 6, Leg 2 - After the Detour, Don & Mary Jean drove off in Adam & Rebecca's van by mistake, on their way to the Pit Stop. When they realized this, they went back and gave it back to A&R, but they still incurred the 30-minute penalty.)

All "rulings" depend on the humor of the producers and how well the move plays on TV. Rob wasn't penalized for bribing a bus driver to keep the back door shut, hindering the progress of all the teams in the back of the bus. It's always arbitrary.

I thought that was Mark and Micheal

You're probably right. I did not look it up and mistakenly thought it was Jet/Cord.

Agree with the 30 minute penalty, but would like to add that Ron's whining was also a major source of their delay. He is clearly dragging the team down. How much time did he waste before going on like his daughter suggested? 5-15 minutes? That is time to get to the pit-stop earlier and thus leave in the morning sooner.

I thought it was the two stunt brothers - Mike & Forgot his Name.

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Yes, Boo. Thank you. I was already corrected in post #9.

I agree with Max. I think it was an innocent mistake and it was great that they put the bag someplace "safe." It IS a race after all, so if they had backtracked and explained to Ron and Christine what had happened or returned the pack closer to where they were, they could have lost quite a bit of time themselves.

That said, I think the penalty was odd too. Maybe they wouldn't have penalized the guys if Ron and Christina had not complained. I don't think they deserved one.

Not that I have an opinion one way or another ;)
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If I damaged someone's property accidently, I'd still expect to pay to replace or fix it. Just because someone makes an innocent mistake doesn't mean they get a free pass. Just my opinion.

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