That was my impression too, BR. Usually Jeff has to coax people, esp. off the beginning when everyone tries to be PC, but it sounds like someone goes ballistic just based on 1 question at this TC. Should be fun!

Remember, Jiffy usually asks questions based on what has happened already in camp -- the producers or cameramen notice something and then tell Jiffy so he is aware of what to ask at TC or at challenges.

So, something's already brewing in camp and Jiffy found out about it, opened with a question relating to it, and ... ka-boom. The nerves are still raw from the confrontation that evidently just happened at camp.

Speculating that if the old codgers were at TC it might have been a question that revealed the shoe sabotage. That would get a rise out of me, at least.

But the thing I find funny are those shoes, who in their right mind would wear that type of shoe for any Survivor? One thing that is predictable about being on Survivor is that you need athletic shoes that can get wet and dirty and last for a month or so in a camp situation.

I guess that's a clue though, whoever wore those shoes has a deficiency in his decision making process. That pretty well dooms anyone in a game that requires a making a lot of really good decisions.

Maybe he thought he signed up for Dancing with the Stars?

kingfish, wardrobe assigns the castaways their clothes ... don't blame Danny.

I was just rewatching this week's episode and noticed that there are mud shots of Jimmy Johnson and I think Holly in the opening credits. So it must be from this week's challenge. Did not notice mud shots of anyone on the younger tribe.

Couldn't find the opening credit vidcaps on SF or SP -- does anyone have them? Might be helpful.

Jeff's whoop ass comment makes me think it pretty much has to be La Flor going to Tribal. People on Espada are perfectly capable of going off, and Dan was completely hidden in the editing of the first episode after Jimmy T's mafia comment in the opening, or else he really just never said a single word at any time in those first three days. But Espada has already been to Tribal, they know how to handle it. La Flor, on the other hand, has some young guns who don't think there's any reason why their tribe should have to go to Tribal, and there seems to be a lot of jumping to conclusions going on over there: Jud is retarded, can't go to final with Kelly B., a guy has to sack up and win this one, Chase is clueless. Jud is too laid back to do the whooping himself, his strategy is to be pegged as Fabio and under-estimated by everyone, but he's perfectly capable of saying something volatile (in all innocence, dude, just like saying) and that could escalate when others jump in.

Squid, I recall those mud shots, I'll have to check the video, but didn't JJ and Holly seem not upset?

Jimmy J. definitely was smiling through the mud...don't recall about Holly. Just thought it might be another indication that the Older Tribe wins IC. (Also the Medallion of Power advantage.)

Found 'em on TDT:

So looks like Holly and Jimmy J. do the mud-crawling portion and are happy, so they must do well. And looks like Jill does the throwing part for the Older Tribe. Not sure how many people do each part or how it works.

Is that Naonka in the hot pink shorts behind JJ? And are those 2 of the younger La Flor girls behind Jill while she's throwing? (Or could it be Yve and Jane?)

I'm kinda surprised that they'd have JJ doing the crawling vs. some of the more physical players, although Wendy said in one of her post-game interviews that JJ had chosen the players for the challenges last time (kinda like Coach liked to do .

The new web promo is up. I'm only bringing over the vidcaps that are new/different. Thanks to Survivor Fever!

Announcer: Last Wednesday, the young Survivors took on the old...

Jeff Probst: Young tribe wins Immunity!

Announcer: ...and the older tribe lost. Now two castaways are cracking...

Holly: The New York city boy, Danny, he doesn't like sand on them.

Announcer...big time.

NaOnka: If they want to play dirty, I can play dirty, too.

Announcer: Can former NFL coach, Jimmy Johnson, hold the older tribe together...

Jimmy Johnson: I'm just keeping my fingers crossed.

Announcer: ...or will they fall apart?

Danny : She stole my shoes.

Tyrone : I'm gonna keep one eye on her and one eye on my shoes.

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As we discussed in other threads, looks like the Holly/shoe thing is misdirection. The most interesting part to me is NaOnka's comment, "If THEY want to play dirty...." Who is the "they"? The guys forming an all-guy alliance? Or someone else? Figuring that out might point to this week's boot.

Here are some new challenge shots from the new :10 promo, thanks to Survivor Fever:

Announcer: Can the old Survivor tribe dominate the young?
New Survivor, CBS, Wednesday.
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Looks like the 1st couple shots are of Holly. We know from the opening credit shots that she's one of the "mud" people for the Older Tribe.

The later side-by-side shots appear to be Jane from the Older Tribe and maybe Kelly from the Younger Tribe? Although I thought Kelly S. had a yellow bathing suit so maybe it's someone else? Doesn't look like NaOnka's hair...could it be Alina?

Blonde hair, so it must be Purple Kelly, no?

Last episode they were all in underwear. Appears they get their swimsuits in Ep 2, was discussed at MESS I remember.

Yes, has to be Kelly S. I was going through vidcaps and promo shots and did find one of her in pink, although the first episode she was in yellow. It also looks like a muddy Kelly behind Jill in the opening sequence shot.

I'm surprised they'd have people like Jane and Jimmy J. doing the crawling through the mud part for the Older Tribe (vs. Marty or Yve) although I guess they could be mud-crawlers too, since we don't know for sure what the entire course is and how many "runs" there are.

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That looks like Kelly B to me. The "blonde" hair in the other caps look more like sun reflections than true color.

ETA: To answer Squid's question regarding picking JJ and Jane: Maybe the challenge is designed so that one tribe picks who the other tribe must play. I'd say the MoP would enable the old guys to run one less leg.

That would be an interesting twist if the other tribe got to choose who runs in the mud!

The jury's still out in my mind re the MoP, but so far I'm leaning toward not liking it -- too much of an advantage.

P.S. I get the 2 Kellys' last names confused -- I think the hair and face and pink suit looks like the younger Kelly who has both legs. Do you think it looks like the one with the artificial leg? Gotta go back and look at shots but I thought the Kelly with 1 leg had dark brown hair. That would be really cool, though, if Kelly with the artificial leg does the mud run and kicks butt.

>The jury's still out in my
>mind re the MoP, but
>so far I'm leaning toward
>not liking it -- too
>much of an advantage.

I think it will depend on what the producers choose as the "advantage" each week. It was a one bucket of water in the barrel head start, but it seemed like it wouldn't have made much difference. The puzzle was the more difficult part for Espada and it didn't appear that one bucket would have helped them.

Krautboy

Jeff in his blog says that's because the players didn't do the challenge the way they anticipated:

Despite testing our first challenge over and over, the Survivors did something that we didn’t count on. We expected the gutters to go from left to right, back and forth, because that is how the challenge was built to play. Instead, they simply formed one long gutter system, and it worked much better than what we had planned. As a result the challenge went much faster and because of that it reduced the amount of an ‘advantage” they would have had. Would the Medallion advantage have made enough difference for them to win? We’ll never know. But had the challenge been played the way it was tested and rehearsed, it most definitely would have made a difference.

I don't quite understand his description of how they set up the gutters in test mode. Having one long one seemed logical to me. (If they were supposed to be set up a certain way, why didn't he just tell them before the challenge?)