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"See BS Misdirection Ep 14 "The Instigator""
Posted by J Slice on 04-30-04 at 00:05 AM


Rupert and Jenna are shocked to realize Rob is standing right behind them during a private strategy session.

One All-Star fuels a fiery fight between two tribemates.

As Tribal Council looms, the five remaining All-Stars feel targets on their backs. Who will be voted off, and who will make it to the Final Four?


There's nothing more exhilarating than pointing out the shortcomings of others, is there? - Randal, Clerks

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"RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 14 "The Instigator""
Posted by sirius on 04-30-04 at 07:26 AM
I still see Tom as next on chopping lock. This has to be a Rupert wins Immunity week.
"RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 14 "The Instigator""
Posted by Flowerpower on 04-30-04 at 07:37 AM
Rupert and Jenna are shocked to realize Rob is standing right behind them during a private strategy session.
Time to see Rupert and Jenna get a little paranoid and set Rupert up to be "the instigator"

One All-Star fuels a fiery fight between two tribemates.
This will be Rupert going to Tom saying, "Tell him you came to me and wanted to vote off Rob"....forcing Tom to own up to it, thus igniting a fight between Tommy and Robfadda....hmmmm, wonder who will lose that one?

As Tribal Council looms, the five remaining All-Stars feel targets on thier backs. Who will be voted off, and who will make it to the final four?

Definately see Rupert winning immunity this week, or else his A$$ would be history....would LOVE to see ole bossy, know it all Jenna get the boot, but that's not gonna happen as she's such a loser at challenges, so, so long survivor Tommy boy!


"RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 14 "The Instigator""
Posted by cdlafl on 04-30-04 at 08:32 AM
i think rupert said to tom, "did you or did you not tell me you wanted to vote off rob"...i dont think tom and rob will get into it...we are seeing the "fiery fight" between tom and rupert...i think rob hears rupert and jenna talking and rob instigates the fight between rupert and tom AFTER rupert wins immunity...i think at this point, he (rob) would have carried tom over rupert, but he won't have a choice...the only way to save himself is to axe old Tom
"RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 14 "The Instigator""
Posted by babalouie on 04-30-04 at 08:51 AM
I'm not so sure. because Rob goes to Amber and says something like "We're in trouble". Who else would he refer to but Tom/Rupert?
"RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 14 "The Instigator""
Posted by cdlafl on 04-30-04 at 08:59 AM
which is why he instigates the fight b/w tom and rupert...to move ruperts target from him to tom...
"RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 14 "The Instigator""
Posted by smrtNsassybnkr on 04-30-04 at 10:56 AM
In the web preview Rob says "I instigated a fight between Tom and Rupert". Rob is the instigator.
"RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 14 "The Instigator""
Posted by butthunder on 04-30-04 at 11:05 AM
From the previews it seems that Rupert, Tom and Rob are all on edge. Is it out of the question to think that maybe Jenna or Amber win immunity? Just a thought.

After last night's episode my first thought was, if Rupert didn't win immunity, he is gone.

"RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 14 "The Instigator""
Posted by lizzmac on 05-03-04 at 07:01 PM
It always makes me nervous when the title of the episode clearly refers to one individual - i.e., does that mean they're out?

With the clips, it's now apparent that Rob is the instigator. I've been pretty firm in believing he makes at least F3, but the fact that title refers to him makes me wonder.

My poor little peabrain cannot hold the encyclopedic knowledge some of y'all have about past seasons - can anyone provide an example of someone being referred to in the title who was safe??

Lizzmac

"S4, Ep 10: The Princess"
Posted by Brownroach on 05-04-04 at 01:18 PM
Here you go:

This was the episode where Paschal won the yacht reward and took Neleh. They had a big dinner, Neleh got all clean and shampooed, and she also had the foresight to smuggle back a mint in her mouth to divide between the other castaways.

The tribemates got annoyed later when she sat around the camp staring at her clean toes and generally acting like a princess. Sean said that offering the mint was like offering a piece of dog doo.

This was the beginning of the negative edit for Neleh. She did not get voted off in this episode however, Tammy did.

So there is at least one precedent for the episode-title person to stick around.


"Thanks BR!"
Posted by lizzmac on 05-04-04 at 01:43 PM
I appreciate your effort in bringing that to light.

I still do wonder, though - "the instigator" has somewhat negative connotations for me, "the princess" not so much so.

Thanks again,

Lizzmac

"RE: Thanks BR!"
Posted by bdemoney on 05-04-04 at 02:09 PM
For what it's worth the episode entitle "Sorry I blew it" this season clearly referred to Ethan yet Colby was the one voted off.

It was not a clear cut case of being called an 'instigator' or a 'princess' but it was definitely negative in connotation and was clearly referring to Ethan.

"RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 14 "The Instigator""
Posted by kykate on 05-04-04 at 04:29 PM
VO: Survivor week kicks off CBS Thursday with an All Star shocker.
Rob: I instigated Big Tom to fight with Rupert.
Rupert: You've been talking about getting rid of everybody.
VO: It's a mad dash to make the final 4.
Jenna: It's insane.
VO: Alliances crumble.
Tom: <speaking to Rob> You marked yourself every time you won.
VO: And friendships fall apart.
Rupert: Paranoia will destroy ya.
VO: Then on Sunday it's the Season Finale and Live Reunion show with a surprise so big it will stun everyone. We guarantee it.
Jenna: Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
VO: Who will be the ultimate All Star?

Maybe (and this flies in the face of Snewser and Clown, but kind of goes along with VerucaSalt) there could be another scenario.

Rob overhears Rupert and Jenna talking and let's assume they are talking about overthrowing Rob. Rob tells Amber "we might(could) be in trouble". Rob attempts to instigate a fight between Tom and Rupert.

When Tom and Rupert confront each other, Rupert brings up what he and Jenna have discussed - getting rid of Rob. When Tom doesn't immediately take to this, Rupert says "Did you or did you not tell me we should take out Rob" - not once, but at least 2-3 times. If they decide to knock off Rob, at some point Tom tells Rob he marked himself every time he won.

OTOH, Tom could make this statement to Rob if/when Rob questions him about Rupert and Jenna's plan.

"RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 14 "The Instigator""
Posted by Loquatrix on 05-04-04 at 05:19 PM
So there's a vidcap of Rob smirking, intermingled with ones of Rupert and Tom going at their fight. I am presuming that this means Rob is standing there spectating while Rupert and Tom argue.

Certainly Rupert's emphatic repetition of the "Did you or did you not..." line leads me to believe that he's being particularly vigorous about it for Rob's benefit -- so as to ensure Rob goes away from the Tom/Rupert scene with the clear knowledge that overthrowing Rob was Tom's idea. I don't know whether Rupert would have quite such a ruckus with Tom if there wasn't an important audience. I don't think either of those guys would get quite so loud if they were talking privately between themselves. I think Rob is there, and both Rupert and Tom get loud with each other in defence of themselves in front of Rob.

(Hey, maybe someone already posted this, and everyone is agreed. ::grin:: Oh well, it's just occurring to me now, so I'm having a ramble about it.)

I'm also thinking that Tom's statement, "You marked yourself every time you won!" is said to Rob while Rupert is there, too. In front of Rob, and to make himself look less guilty, Rupert calls Tom out for suggesting a Rob boot. That's the point at which Tom tells Rob that it must have been obvious that someone would try to take him down at some point -- because Rob painted the target on his own back, by winning all the challenges.

Rupert's "Paranoia will destroy ya" refers to Rob. Rupert is identifying the fact that Rob is afraid for his own safety on the tribe, and is going around all paranoid that someone may be plotting against him, stirring up the dust to see where it settles. Hopefully it foreshadows something interesting like a Rob boot in the near future. There isn't any other kind of "destroy" that is worth anything at this point in the game.

"RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 14 "The Instigator""
Posted by Brownroach on 05-04-04 at 05:56 PM
That's kind of the way I picture it, trix.

I don't think Rob instigates the fight because he doesn't have immunity; I think the fight happens before the IC. Rather it's because of the conversation he overheard between Rupert and Jenna, which I think will happen near the beginning of the episode ("So now that's Shii Ann's gone, what's our strategy to get to the end?")

Since the fact that Rob overheard Rupert and Jenna's conversation makes Rupert nervous, they must be talking about using someone else to help get rid of Rob -- and that would have to be Tom. So when Jenna is away Rob puts Rupert and Tom on the spot and they are both forced to defend themselves.


"RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 14 "The Instigator""
Posted by mom04 on 05-04-04 at 11:24 PM
LAST EDITED ON 05-04-04 AT 11:32 PM (EST)

Whenever someone is referred to in the title, they get voted off the following week. Example: "Stupid People" - Shi Ann went the next week; "sorry I blew it" - Ethan went the next week.

"RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 14 "The Instigator""
Posted by udg on 05-05-04 at 02:30 AM
"I've been bamboozled!" and Rich... Oh, wait.

UDG
Hmmm. That pattern doesn't hold, either!