Is anyone watching this?I tivo'd last night's episode and saw a few minutes during lunch today. Two of the boys (ages 3 & 6) left the house without telling their mom where they were going. Then no one could find the 3-year old. And apparently this is not a rare occurance.
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If I were the nanny, first thing I'd do would be to ream out the parents. If I had to, I'd call child protective services. They must be blooming idiots.Then I'd install childproof doorknobs or master locks that require keys to exit. Since the only key would be on my person, the little darlings would have no exit. Oh yeah - the windows and patio doors would be trip wired.
Third, I'd line those kids up and explain the rules to them to within an inch of their lives.
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
Did anyone have reactions from this last Super Nanny?
I work with autistic children. I'm glad that they brought in a specialist. I've often wondered if some of the other children in other shows would benefit from some testing. I'm surprised that they didn't recommend sending the boy to a special program or preschoool or speech therapist for additional help. The boy wasn't cured,of course, but it showed how to make a breakthrough and how to attempt to get him to communicate and get involved.
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It is odd because when I talk to parents of children who are autistic they say this boy was not a good example or representative AT ALL of autistic children. When I talk to parents with children with communication delays they say this is representative of their child. I question whether this boy had autism at all to begin with.In response to your question about preschool. It came out that they were offered (before the show) a preschool for severely autistic children by their school district and turned it down because they felt Tristan did not belong there. They were told by the SD this was their ONLY option. LIE! So now they are more aware of their rights and hopefully will be better advocates as well as communicating partners for their son.
Lastly the comment about autism not being curable. Well that too is up for debate but I will say recovery is a possibility for many. Take a look at Generation Rescue if you would like additional details on recovery from autism (AKA Mercury Poisoning).
>Is anyone watching this?
>
>I tivo'd last night's episode and
>saw a few minutes during
>lunch today. Two of
>the boys (ages 3 &
>6) left the house without
>telling their mom where they
>were going. Then no
>one could find the 3-year
>old. And apparently this
>is not a rare occurance.
>I've been watching Supernanny since it started and it's hard to believe how clueless some parents are.
The episode you mentioned, that woman was totally clueless. She fit the dumb blonde stereotype almost perfectly. Her wardrobe didn't leave alot to the imagination. In fact, she leaned over once and we got a real view! Almost topless TV.
The last episode with the Wischmeyer family really hit home. There was a couple with a 9 year old boy and twin 4 year old girls. The best way to describe it was the girls got no discipline and the boy got disciplined whether he did something or not!
The girls would harass him and if he tried to say anything about it, he'd be sent to his room or punished in some other way. The Nanny described it as he was being punished every time he tried to express his opinion, and was really getting frustrated by it. In other words, he was punished whenever the girls did something.
I dealt with similar treatment when I was growing up.When Nanny left and one of the girls harassed him in his room while doing homework, something that was against the rules, he told the girl to get out of his room, his mother yelled at him for using a disrespectful one with his sister! Nanny gave him a "Thought Box," where he could put notes about his thoughts his mother could read and discuss with him. When he said he thought there were no consequnces for the girls when they did something to him and he was punished when he spoke up, the mother actually made excuses like "You were 4 once."
The Nanny came back and corrected this, and the mother even once actually defended her son when he was playing a video game and one of the girls shut it off, and even punished the girl for doing it(send to the naughty corner).
Those little girls acted like they had never been told to do anything by their parents in their lived and did whatever they wanted, and fought back at everything. That wouldn't have flown with my parents. Some kids need a good old fashioned spanking!
I don't understand how parents can be so clueless as to let the kids take over the house, even when they are only 4 years old!
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Does anyone have a VHS copy of the February 7th show? I will gladly pay for a copy. I missed the show about the older son and the two undisciplined twin girls and would like to have seen the episode. Thank you, Yvonne Allen
She uses the same techniques in almost every show. She moved the "naughty" part around - but the only other difference I've seen is that the schedule is deff depending on the family.
I thought the neighborhood looked familiar with the sexpot mom and her disappearing boys. Turns out it's in my community. Oh, and her comment in the local newspaper article..."it was the editing." We've heard that one before.
That's pretty wild.She certainly did sex it up for the camera, didn't she?
Slice & Dice Chop Shop 2004Have you taken your trip yet?
Just saw this tonight as a rerun. I said, "She wants to be known as a MILF."
Or, as others have proffered, she just wanted to look good for the cameras.
I just saw it again too. And I referred to this very thread while we watched it.
Icey bounced my Dicey
what community do you live in? If too personal, which state is it? I thought it looked like So. California area????
*psst*Draco loves Jo Frost--pass it on!
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Well DUH!
I've been watching both incarnations of this show, Nanny911 and Super Nanny. I'd like to get the opinion from some of the posters, especially those with experience about the techniques used by the Nanny's. They all seem to be using a variation of the same teaching techniques.My questions is this:
Are there some alternate techniques, other than those shown by the Nanny's that are equally effective?I have a 5month old daughter and am always on the lookout for ways to teach my child when she reaches the toddler years.
DRONES
Spanking worked wonders on me. Just sayin'.
And I'm sure it still does.
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I think Super Nanny teaches techniques that steer clear of physical punishment/violence. These are good for all parents to learn. I especially like the sleep technique where the parents stay in the room and sit in the floor and look down. Lets the kids know you are there rather than making them CRY IT OUT and you shut the door behind you and leave them. I would never do that to my kids! Spanking is not the answer and good care givers know this and seek out other ways to discipline (AKA TO TEACH)
HiWe just put our 2 1/2 year old in a toddler bed. He won't stay and screams!!!!! What was the technique that she used.
Please help
tired mom
You put the child in bed with "kisses and cuddles" and a book reading, warm bath and all that. Then you sit on the floor of the room near the bed looking face down. If the child gets up you put him back in bed. The first time you say "time for bed" after this there is no talking you just put them into bed. You stay until they are asleep. You do this for a few weeks and move further and further away from the bed, by door, into hallway. For more information you can check out her book which gives detailed info--it's called Super Nanny too. Hope it helps!
are you joking! that takes to much time! I guarantee that with my technique they will never get out of bed again. It will only take one day, not a few weeks. so here it goes - Grab a belt. Stand over the bed and say "If you get out of bed you will be getting spanked." Works like a charm!
LAST EDITED ON 05-07-05 AT 10:16 PM (EST)From your tone I am not sure if you are just kidding? Are you? Either way, the poster above asked a question about a Super Nanny technique and I simply answered what SuperNanny does to sleep train.
BTW my young parents did it the way you describe above with a belt if I got out of bed around age 2. I still vividly remember the night with pain. If I could urge any parents against that method, I definitely would. Even at the tender age of 2 I remember exactly what happened and in fact I think it effected my sleep training and self soothing (or mandatorily enforced/punitive punishment) methods learned for years after. If nothing else, it taught me what I would never want to do to my own precious little one.
Up front I'll say I don't have children but have watched my sister with her 5 children, including 2-year old twins. My best advice is don't wait until your child is a toddler to start discipline. I thought my sister was crazy saying 'no' to the baby and things like 'that behavior is unacceptable'. Turns out once they start walking and talking, they've been hearing that their whole lives and it becomes a non-issue. Not that toddlers don't act up, but they are already familiar with the discipline.I *heart* Nanny Jo and think the parents need a swift kick in the behind. I was throwing things at the television the episode with the family who had a 4-year old girl and 2-year old twin girls and the 4-year old screamed non-stop, and the mother did nothing.
I think one thing most of these families have in common is that they never developed a clear plan for disciplining their children early on.I've done some research on this matter and it is almost universal taught by all the experts, that after the child is a year old it is important to establish boundaries and let them know clearly know who is in charge. It is also important for both parents to be on the same page in regards to discipline.
I know that it's easy to second guess these parents on the show but it's a lot harder than it looks. Most people go into all this and fly by the seat of their pants. In years past we didn't have to do this because there was usually some extended family around to help guide young parents. Now we are more isolated from our families because we live in a more mobile society.
We now have the benefit of research and scores of books to help guide us. I think it's important to take advantage of these resources just like our ancestors took advantage of having extended families and communities to help them.
Drones, I hear what you are saying and you are right on!
It was so much easier with extended family helping you out and now it's the nucleur family unit and we have to do all the work with minimal help (especially if you are a stay at home mom or dad and most of the families are on this show!). So we need to take advantage of literature to help us along the way to becoming the best parents we can be and raising our children and nurturing them into happy and healthy adults!
All I can say is (and I've heard super nanny talk about the same thing) get the children involved in picking up at an early age, and helping when ever possible. I didn't for my eldest, and she now is 15 and does NOTHING!!! I SO regret picking up after her, and now I am definitely paying for it, and unfortunately she will have a tougher life now because of me doing this. Very, very, important.
Hope it helps some...
try this alternate technique...If your kid wants to act crazy you do the same. First threaten them with a spanking. If they still act out spank that #####! I guarantee, after that you will only have to threaten them with a spanking. Don't listen to these santimonious jerks that say spanking is wrong. If you don't discipline them now they will walk all over you!!!
Calling other posters sanctimonious jerks is a violation of our community guidelines.
>If you don't
>discipline them now they will
>walk all over you!!!
I agree with this statement you make above. To discipline means to teach. Does spanking truly teach? Well some would say yes. I think it mostly taught me as a child that if you want to be heard, feel angry or upset, don't use your words: just hit! This is not the lesson I want to impart to my child though.Frankly, there are other positive reinforcement techniques that work surprisingly well and may have much better lasting results on the little children we raise into happy and healthy adults!
As a child psychologist I am very aware of the detrimental consequences of spanking a child. I know that you are probably an extremely lazy parent who cares nothing about facts. You would rather just spank the kid then teach them. That would take effort and education on the issues. Its clear to see you are a very uneducated and angry person. They don't learn good communication skills. I would like to say your post is a poster child for this reason. They learn that when someone does something I don't like I hit them. They never learn alternative ways and a strikingly large percent end up with assault and battery charges later on. They come to fear their parents and feel helpless. Their self esteem is decreased so drastically they begin to believe they do not deserve to be treated with respect. There is no difference in hitting/spanking a child leads to hitting a spouse. In fact more then 90% of domestic violence cases involve a woman who was spanked as a child (I was bad mom hits me, I was bad husband hits me) that is one reason they stay so long. Husbands have an even higher percent of spanking because they don't have the skills to solve a problem without hitting. A child can not understand the difference of why you can hit them but they can not hit the kid who took their toy. They grow up to feel bad about themselves. There is NOT ONE study that shows spanking is NOT HARMFUL. Of hundreds of studies the results are clear it is damaging. This is fine for someone to selfish to care what is best for the child and wants the easy way out. So you just keep on doing what you are doing. But the fact is you are permanently leaving scares on your child and lowering their chance of happiness and success in life.
I will share an example from my own experience. When I was in college I worked at a day care center. One day a young boy asked his younger sister to come play with him. She was with another little girl and said "no." So the little boy walks over and slaps her butt. I asked him why and he said "She wouldn't listen to me. That is what mom does when she does not listen."
I really do not think I could make this any clearer.
Thanks so much for your input, ElleTaylor. However, bashing the other poster (for example, calling her a lazy parent) is not allowed per our community guidelines. We allow disagreeing with other posters' opinions, but bashing that poster while doing so is not permitted.
Top of the mornin Bebo
>My questions is this:
>Are there some alternate techniques, other
>than those shown by the
>Nanny's that are equally effective?
>
IMHO I think one of the most important tools we have to help children is called "CORPORAL PUNISHMENT!" The Bible clearly says "Spare the rod, spoil the child." If you aren't a Christian, I can see where you may not use this technique, but my dad to this day tells me and my sister "you're never too old for me to put you over my knee." Even though he's much older now and can hardly get around with his walker, he means it and both of us know that we can only go so far before he demands respect. I remember when my sister was in her 20's, married with a child and was acting like a lunatic. She was being a spoiled brat and threatened to kill herself because she didn't get her way. This was at a get-together with a bunch of people at our house. My dad grabbed her and spanked her in front of all of those people. I'll never forget that moment. I'm tired of the government telling us what we can and cannot do to OUR children! Yes, there is a difference between child abuse and spanking a child and some people need to learn between the 2. However, when that little girl who's father died and was lashing out at her mother which included pushing her down the stairs, the mother should have grabbed her and giben her something to think about. Just my opinion... I'm sure I'll get some lashing for this!
--Donna :~)
> I remember when
>my sister was in her
>20's, married with a child
>and was acting like a
>lunatic. She was being
>a spoiled brat and threatened
>to kill herself because she
>didn't get her way.
>This was at a get-together
>with a bunch of people
>at our house. My
>dad grabbed her and spanked
>her in front of all
>of those people. I'll
>never forget that moment.Um WOW!!! You would think with all that spanking in you and your sister's youth there wouldn't be such "bad" behavior that your father would need to spank your sister. Honestly, your dad could have asked her to leave the family gathering rather than spanking a 20 something married mother--couldn't he? This example only fuels the fire in why I believe spanking is not the answer compared to alternative methods of discipline. In your case with your sister, no discipline was needed--if she didn't learn her lesson in her youth, your father did not do his job--she is out on her own now. To better solve the problem all he had to do was ask her to leave. If she wouldn't leave or something and continued to be rude, call the police.
BTW, re read the verse about spoiling and rod. You are saying a quote from the Bible that society gives but not the actual scripture.
The verse she was refering to is Proverbs 13:24 which says "He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him."We could go round and round about spanking vs. not spanking and we all have varied opinions. I think what we'd all agree on is that children need consistent discipline and that is one thing that a lot of parents goof up on. It's hard to be consistent! I think that's a major thing these nannies are teaching the parents and once they are consistent they notice changes in their children.
>The verse she was refering to
>is Proverbs 13:24 which says
>"He who spares the rod
>hates his son, but he
>who loves him is careful
>to discipline him."
>Yes I am very aware of the scripture Donna was referring too. But if you double check her post she states, "Spare the rod, spoil the child." That is a gross misinterpretation of scripture and not at all accurate which is why I said to her and all others who misquote that scripture to go back and re read it.
I understand your point. Any idea where the quote originally came from? I do think that even though it isn't a direct quote from the Bible that the principle is a true one and applies to all discipline and not just spanking...if you don't dicipline it's not good for the kids. (as evidenced by all the "kids gone wild" on the two nanny shows)
I don't agree. When you tell someone "Spare the rod, spoil the child" we are not dealing with ANY OTHER FORM OF DISCIPLINE then SPANKING. This misquotation of scripture ONLY guides those to spank as a form of discipline rather than doing any other form of discipline. That is why I think it is necessary, when you are going to say the Bible says this or this that you actually quote directly from it rather than giving the "secular" summary of a scripture.
True, only direct quotes should be used or it can invalidate the arguement. I do think you'll find, though, that many people who regularly read the Bible and use it as a guide for their lives glean principles from the contents and I think that is where the "spare the rod, spoil the child" idea came from.By the way, I am enjoying this discussion with you, protagonist.
Any idea where the quote originally came from?My understanding is that it's from a poem by Samuel Butler called Hudibras, and the context has absolutely nothing to do with punishing children, "Biblically" or otherwise.
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I really like watching this show. I like Jo a lot better than Nanny 911, although I like watching both. The ones on 911 don't seem as calm and structured.
It really is scary how some of these families live. BUT-I don't know if I would want cameras in my home!
These kids are supposed to be the most difficult in the world. The kids are cursing and spitting at will. They are really trying to test the nanny.
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WOW!!! Talk about kids who are out of control. I simply don't understand how things get to that point.
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What I want to know is why did they bother calling the show if they aren't willing to work with the nanny and basically work AGAINST her?What's the frelling point? I thought the mother in this episode was an immature and selfish bitch.
To be on TV. DUH.
I think this was just a re-edited version of a BBC Supernanny, wasn't it? The video quality seemed VERY different.
Line of the night- "I've done a wee!"
And here I was thinking that was Nanny Debb (Nanny 911). I am guessing the two shows are pretty indistinguishable?
I like nanny Jo too, but I feel bad that ABC won't spring to buy her a new suit. She only seems to have one suit (the purple one) which she wears several times each and every episode. One would think, hanging around small children, that she would need more than one suit.
I think nanny 911 is a rip off of supernanny. I'm pretty sure supernanny is the original.And she's been on Oprah.
They've all been on Oprah. And Nanny 911 aired several weeks before Supernanny, so even if Supernanny was the original, FOX beat ABC to the airwaves.
As Fox did with WifeSwap and Trading Spouses.
ABC had the rights to the origianl, but FOX aired their knock off first.
Do you think I could reserve Jo for like 10 years in the future when I finally have kids??I LOVE this show and am not in any way kid-ready...Jo is so much better than the rip off Fox Show...Just saw on tv last night that they are doing a check in with the families from the first season next Wed...All over it! Go JoJo GO!
Can we get a forum for this show??
Forums are created depending on a number of factors, including site traffic. Since most shows (like SN) just had their finales, any new forums for returning shows would probably show up closer to their fall premieres.
Thanks for the help!See you in the fall...and FYI next Wed is a SuperNanny check in with all the families they had on this year...to see if anyone's still on the naughty chair!
Did anyone see Dr. Phil ragging on "the nannies"? I think he's running scared.
I did see Dr. Phil and I couldn't believe it when he said "you got that (naughty corner technique) from one of those shows" with a tone of voice that said "give me a break". I'm like, "YOU'RE ONE OF THOSE SHOWS YOU DOUFUS!"He spouts out child rearing advice all the time. What a hypocrite. And he's probably never seen an episode. If he had, he might well agree with the techniques. It failed in this case because they weren't doing it right, not that he would know.
After watching both versions of this show, two sides of the same coin, I've come to a few conclusions.1.For the most part I like the techniques that the Nannies are using.
2.Some of these families have problems that can only be solved by some serious counseling.
3.Some of the incidents appear to be stagged and/or instigated by the producers.
4.All of these parents have two ways of dealing with their unruley children a. they do nothing b. they over react by yelling and/or hitting and spanking.
5.The Dads seem more willing to listen to the Nannies than the Moms at first, and get with the program sooner and more enthusiastically.
6.Organization and discipline = a less chaotic hosehold.
I would just like to make a comment about the spanking comments. As a hyperactive child I was always on the run. I used to take off from the house all the time. And all the spankings did not do any good at all ! The only thing that did work was when my mother installed a lock way up at the top of the door, that I could not reach.
And even then I would still look for ways to escape.
So spanking or beatings do not work !!!
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I saw this and it was crazy. I don't understand how people who live in these huge expensive houses can't handle their kids and end up needing a nanny to help straighten them out.
Good episode.The Weinstein kids had their own version of Bill Cosby's "The Same Thing Happens Every Night." They just would not get to bed without screaming, punching and even cussing out the adults, bringing them to the bedroom time and again! As shocking as it was to hear the kids get bleeped was the realization that they wouldn't be doing so if they hadn't heard so from their parents.
I can totally empathize as someone who used to play his mom like a Stradivarius; any attention was good attention. It was tough for the parents not to react to them, but they had to learn not to give the kids the satisfaction of getting to them.
And what a transformation in the dad! He actually allowed himself to be human, and thus a dad. And a husband. That can only help.
Nice work, Jo.
Tribe strikes again!
You've been warned, so don't complain.
Guess Jo can't win 'em all . . .Family too much for Supernanny
The condo association is suing the family because of the noisy and unruly behavior of four children that it claims continued well after the Supernanny came and went.
The Trillium Park Homeowners Association wants Michael and Tamara Amouri to immediately comply with condo regulations or face eviction.
Tribe strikes again!
You've been warned, so don't complain.
LAST EDITED ON 02-13-07 AT 08:57 AM (EST)Okay, dads, tell all your teenage daughters:
"I hope your hair falls out."
But I'm glad the dad and the 13-year-old kissed and made up.Although not as much a sexpot as the mother described upthread, the mom did enjoy wearing this one particularly revealing top.
The eldest daughter with
MScerebral palsy was so small, but it was obvious that she had a well-functioning mind inside a body that just wouldn't let her express herself.It's hard to ignore a child that can push buttons like the one daughter, but it's necessary.
And the youngest wasn't on camera much, except during the credits.
Tribe strikes again!
You've been warned, so don't complain.
I have to say, watching this show makes me think I'm a pretty darn good mom, and my kids' behavior is fantastic (relatively speaking)!The 3 yo girl last night was unbelievable. The tantrums! I'm glad the father finally got the message (at least a little bit) that the parents have to work as a team. He, like so many of the fathers on this show, was constantly undermining the mom when she tried to discipline the kids.
Has anyone tried any of Jo Frost's techniques, like the naughty spot or the bedtime routine? Anyone actually written out a schedule for their family and posted it on the kitchen wall?
I'd love to see them broadcast follow ups with these families, about 6 months after the nanny's visit, to see if they stick to the "techniques" and if they really work.
Nanny Jo is the best, isn't she? But I doubt that many of the kids stay well-behaved after she leaves, mostly because the parents probably get lazy again. Those elaborate posters and such that she makes for them are probably kinda hard to upkeep when there aren't television cameras around, don't you think? My favorite is when Nanny Jo sits the parents down and has a serious chat with them...she is never afraid to stand up to them! She's the reason why I watch the show
I agree, I doubt the parents keep up the good work after Jo leaves. I've found the naughty step works wonders, since my son turned 6. Before that, it was impossible. I don't agree with spanking, I'd feel so bad if I did it I'd probably end up spoiling my child afterwards - how is that teaching them discipline? Though I was slapped as a child and it did me no harm.
At the moment, I've awful issues with my 13-month-old daughter. I can't leave her with a childminder. She cries all day because she only wants to be with me, she won't play with anything or sleep or eat for them. She's been dismissed from a creche and a childminder. Now I'm trying her with a third childcare centre! She also won't sleep unless I'm beside her so she can play with my hair. I wish I could have the services of Supernanny.
Otherwise she's a beautiful, delightful child and I love her very much!
Did anyone see this episode? It was the one with the two teenage daughters who were doing the lion's share of the childcare and housework. It broke my heart to see those girls doing so very much without their parents really caring. I was so glad that it looked like things would even out for them so they'd have a more normal work load and be able to do their schoolwork. I really do hope the family sticks with the schedule.
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'Supernanny' show spurs death threats; Kaukauna family spokeswoman says TV crew portrayed family poorly
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