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""The Economist" 2/14/08"
Happy Valentine's Day- a Sayid episode

"Locke's hostage may be the key to getting off the island, so Sayid and Kate go in search of their fellow castaway in an attempt to negotiate a peaceful deal.

Writer: Adam Horowitz, Edward Kitsis
Director: Jack Bender
Guest star: Jeff Fahey (Frank Lapidus), Marsha Thomason (Naomi Dorrit), Mira Furlan (Danielle Rousseau), Fisher Stevens (George Minkowski) , Thekla Reuten (Elsa), Armando Pucci (Italian Man)"



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 RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08 zombiebaby 02-14-08 1
   RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08 blacknwhitedog 02-14-08 2
       RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08 zombiebaby 02-14-08 3
 RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08 trigirl 02-14-08 4
 RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08 trigirl 02-14-08 5
   RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08 cycles2k 02-15-08 6
       RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08 dabo 02-15-08 7
 RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08 mrc 02-15-08 8
   RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08 mrc 02-15-08 15
   Answer to question No. 4 and more HobbsofMI 02-15-08 25
       RE: Answer to question No. 4 and mo... Corvis 02-15-08 27
       RE: Answer to question No. 4 and mo... Reddhawk 02-15-08 28
       RE: Answer to question No. 4 and mo... Chez 02-16-08 32
           RE: Answer to question No. 4 and mo... HobbsofMI 02-19-08 47
 RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08 zombiebaby 02-15-08 9
   RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08 mrc 02-15-08 14
       RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08 zombiebaby 02-15-08 22
   RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08 Chez 02-16-08 33
 The List trigirl 02-15-08 10
   Mittelwerk? mrc 02-15-08 13
       RE: Mittelwerk? zombiebaby 02-15-08 18
           RE: Mittelwerk? trigirl 02-15-08 19
 Vincent zombiebaby 02-15-08 11
   RE: Vincent mrc 02-15-08 12
       RE: Vincent Ahtumbreez 02-15-08 16
           RE: Vincent zombiebaby 02-15-08 17
               RE: Vincent Ahtumbreez 02-15-08 30
                   RE: Vincent CTgirl 02-18-08 43
   RE: Vincent trigirl 02-15-08 20
 RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08 blacknwhitedog 02-15-08 21
   RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08 emydi 02-15-08 23
       RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08 pinksparkleguitar 02-15-08 24
           RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08 blacknwhitedog 02-15-08 26
           RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08 cabmom 02-16-08 35
 RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08 Reddhawk 02-15-08 29
 Easter Egg scene from The Economist Ahtumbreez 02-15-08 31
   RE: Easter Egg scene from The Econo... pinksparkleguitar 02-16-08 36
       RE: Easter Egg scene from The Econo... Ahtumbreez 02-17-08 39
           RE: Easter Egg scene from The Econo... CTgirl 02-18-08 44
       Link to spoilers site moonbaby 02-18-08 46
 Mikulski Chez 02-16-08 34
   Minkowski trigirl 02-19-08 51
 RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08 cycles2k 02-16-08 37
 Losing Interest michel 02-17-08 38
   RE: Losing Interest Max Headroom 02-18-08 40
       RE: Losing Interest udg 02-18-08 41
           RE: Losing Interest CTgirl 02-18-08 42
               RE: Losing Interest HobbsofMI 02-19-08 48
                   RE: Losing Interest Ahtumbreez 02-19-08 49
                       RE: Losing Interest dajaki 02-20-08 52
           RE: Losing Interest Ahtumbreez 02-18-08 45
           RE: Losing Interest trigirl 02-19-08 50

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1. "RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08"
Ahhh Bawdy... I did not know who's episode it was.

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2. "RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08"
Oh I am so sorry- please do not read my other post
it lists all the other episode=characters
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3. "RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08"
It's ok...I mean not a major thing, I'll know about 2-3 minutes into the episode anyway.

*smooch*


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4. "RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08"
Bawdy is the Ruler of hidden text land! Taught me over at "24".
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5. "RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08"
That was so.freakin.good! Man I love this show!!!!!!!!!!!
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6. "RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08"
LAST EDITED ON 02-15-08 AT 01:24 AM (EST)

It was another great episode. I was afraid that they would never live up to the standard set by "Through the Looking Glass" but they managed to pull it off. This season is already much better than most of the last season.

I was very impressed by Michael Emerson's performance as Ben. I still don't know whether to loathe him or admire him.

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7. "RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08"
Admire the actor at any rate, Ben is flatout the creepiest sociopathic weirdo ever.

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8. "RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08"
Wow. Heck of an episode. There are lots of questions:

1. Who is the economist? Is it Widmore, Hanso, Abaddon, or someone else?

2. How in the heck did Ben get control over Sayid of all people and why is he giving him a list of people to kill to keep the other Oceanic 6 safe? Or is he trying to keep the people still on the island safe?

3. What is the significance of the two bracelets on Naomi's and Sayid's girlfriend's wrists? Who is the R.G. on Naomi's bracelet?

4. Why is there a 31-minute gap between Faraday's clock and the clock in the payload that came from the freighter?

5. What happened to Jacob's cabin?


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15. "RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08"
On the reruns that air before the new episodes, ABC has been doing the VH-1 "pop-up video" deal. One of the pop-up comments for Hurley's episode said that Jacob summons people. So, perhaps, seeing the cabin is controlled by Jacob.


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25. "Answer to question No. 4 and more"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bTvAUVPyLI


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27. "RE: Answer to question No. 4 and more"
Um, I don't get it.

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28. "RE: Answer to question No. 4 and more"
Interesting video. I don't know if this has anything to do with time travel or time loops though. They seemed very worried when the other rabbit appeared. Dr. Hallowax even said "Don't let them near each other". I got the feeling that their experiments have something to do with antimatter. Perhaps keeping the rabbits apart is their way of avoiding a matter-antimatter annihilation.

This also reminds me of the Season 2 references to "Bad Twin". Could "Bad Twin" simply refer to the antimatter version of someone?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimatter

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32. "RE: Answer to question No. 4 and more"
Wow- that was a weird clip. I saw 3 times a very short clip was injected in the tape. One time it appeared to be another person, the second time I didn't see what it was at all and the 3rd time it was a saying I've read elsewhere about "God loves you.....Jacob" I think. Anyone else have more light to shed on these clips?

I think it was the same rabbit just appearing in two places due to the time discontinuity.

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47. "RE: Answer to question No. 4 and more"
There are several split second clips inside of it....hit pause and slide the bar to find them.


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9. "RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08"
Wowza! Loved it again!

I get the feeling now...very subtle...that the characters seem to be portraying events on the island like they have some "dim memory" of doing it already. Deja vu? I don't know. I got that from Sayid last night when he removed the bracelet from Naomi and also a few times from Jack.

Maybe I'm falling for the time travel/loop theory but I just get that vibe.

That being said what a wonderful job by Naveen Andrews last night! Wow. When he told Ben on the island when they were together in the barracks that "the day I trust you is the day I loose my soul" I knew that there would be a hookup somewhere.

What a complete change in our Sayid when he is with Ben at the end. Devastating.


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14. "RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08"
I think Faraday's experiment confirms that there is something to the time-warp theory.


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22. "RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08"
I keep going back to Kate and that toy plane. It has to be about flight 815.


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33. "RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08"
I'm now wonderinmg if somehow Ben influenced Sayid to change his mind during the time they were together in the Barracks room, after the scene we saw. Maybe there was some really convincing information Ben shared that caused Sayid to decide to work for Ben as the assassin later on.
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10. "The List"
Now some new questions. Who's on the list? What is the list?

Mr. Avellino was obviously on the list. As soon as Sayid told him who he was, he knew he was toast.

The Economist. Elsa was speaking german to her boss\co-consipirator. Thomas Mittelwerk?

Elsa was wearing the same bracelet as Naomi. Had Sayid not noticed this before? Were they working for the same organization? Or, did Sayid give Naomi's bracelet to Elsa and was he taking it back off of her dead body?

Sayid said "The day I trust Ben is they day I've sold my soul" when talking to Locke at the barracks. We know how that ends.

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13. "Mittelwerk?"
Who is Mittelwerk again? The name sounds vaguely familiar, but I can't place it.

What is Phil's golf equipment?

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18. "RE: Mittelwerk?"
I think he has something to do with Mittlelos? That is the company that "recruited" Juliet I think. I'm not sure though.

Just remembered that it is an anagram of Lost Time.

I thought that the building where Naomi got her orders from Abbadon looked like the inside of that Hanso building from the 2nd season hatch film. Where the shadowy Alvar Hanso was looking out.

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19. "RE: Mittelwerk?"
I remember him from calling one of the telephone numbers during the Lost Experience. Didn't play the game fully, but here is what I found on LostPedia. It was really just German speaking that made me think of him.

Thomas Mittelwerk, or Dr. Thomas Werner Mittelwerk, was the President and Chief Technologist of the Hanso Foundation. He was groomed by Alvar Hanso to be his successor but eventually overthrew him as the head of the Hanso Foundation. Through her research, protagonist Rachel Blake discovered that Mittelwerk has never obtained a degree at any institution in the world, making his "doctor" title a lie. Through further investigation, she discovered how Mittelwerk was now working in corrupt areas, such as organ harvesting, and how he was planning to test a deadly virus on villagers in Sri Lanka.

After video evidence (the Sri Lanka Video) was released of Mittelwerk admitting to his plans, the authorities attempted to apprehend Mittelwerk. However, he managed to escape with the virus, and in the process blew up the Hanso Foundation headquarters. After Alvar Hanso released a statement, Mittelwerk hacked the website feed with his own statement saying that he would continue his plan to release the virus.

Though not a real doctor by accounts, Mittelwerk does seem an intelligent man, being able to speak Korean as well as English. In fact, considering criteria for his personal assistant on hansocareers.com, and the fact that he grew up in Austria (German speaking) and has his permanent offices in Copenhagen (Danish), its quite possible that Mittelwerk is a polyglot.

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11. "Vincent"
Just remembered too!

Anyone notice all the dogs when Sayid went back to Ben? I guess Vincent might be connected to that.

*shrug* maybe an answered question?


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12. "RE: Vincent"
Interesting observation. I was so intent on who Sayid was going to see that I didn't even notice that Ben had set up shop near a dog pound.

What is Phil's golf equipment?

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16. "RE: Vincent"
Dog Pound? Vet? or Laboratory? and I should have rewound and watched but didn't all the dogs look alike?


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17. "RE: Vincent"
If I recall they did not look like Vincent but just got me wondering since animals are such a big part of their experiments if they try the anti-aging, healing stuff on them first?

Remember there was the dog that looked like Vincent in that portrait in Jacob's cabin? I just am guessing that Vincent plays a bigger role than just some fur candy.

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30. "RE: Vincent"
Nope, didn't say Vincent, but that they looked alike. I think Beagle but I could have be wrong.


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43. "RE: Vincent"
The three animals in cages we saw looked like a beagle, a shephard and a boxer or something similiar. There was a poster on the wall of a yellow lab (by the door when Sayid walked in).
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20. "RE: Vincent"
I know this was really Episode 2, but speaking of Vincent...there were polar bears again...even if they were in Tunisia. I remember that we discussed (somewhere on this board) that Vincent is always in an episode with polar bears.
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21. "RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08"
My first thought was Sayid took Naomi's bracelet and gave it to Elsa. Or is it a second bracelet? not sure

The ending- I couldn't believe it was Ben! At first I thought it was going to be Jack's Dad stiching Sayid up.

Does anyone know with the timers on Daniels experiment- was the time ahead or behind on the island?


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23. "RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08"
Imo it's behind...it took 31 minutes to get the cannister from the freighter....
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24. "RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08"
The clock from the pay load said approx. 2:45, while the clock he compared it to on the island said somewhere around 3:35. So it took around thirty 'island minutes' to get the pay load.

Some sort of time warp that takes a while to get through?

The communication from the phone isn't delayed....just the payload...actual physical contact is delayed.

I think Farraday knows what is going on. Or maybe had an inkling and now knows for sure thanks to the experiment. I wish they would ask him more questions.


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26. "RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08"
Why did Faraday say "that's not good"?


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35. "RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08"
I think the first time was 2:53, but I know the second time was 3:16. I remember when I saw the second time, that it struck me because it's a number you see at football games in the stands (John 3:16). My first thought was of course the quote from John, but then I thought maybe it was from Daniel (isn't that Faraday's first name), but neither seem to fit. Maybe it was a random number and the time difference, which would be 23 minutes is what is significant. After watching for over three seasons, I've come to conclusion that nothing is random so I doubt they just plucked numbers from the sky.
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29. "RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08"
Anyone else find it coincidental that in rescuing Charlotte, they left Miles, the ghost-hunter guy, with Locke, who just happens to be searching for the mysterious Jacob? Hmm. I'm curious to see how that will play out.

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31. "Easter Egg scene from The Economist"
The Fence Scene
From "The Economist"


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A Security fence. When activated, the pylons
emit a high pitch frequency that will kill anyone
who passes through it. We used a tree to climb...

MILES raises his hand towards Sayid. He seems to hear something.

MILES
SHHHHHHHHH!!!

SAYID stops and watches MILES as he scans the surroundings, listening intently.

SAYID (Sarcastic)
I'm sorry, are we supposed to be
hearing something?

A beat passes and MILES is suddenly aware that SAYID had spoken to him.

MILES
I'm sorry, what?

KATE is examining the control panel.

KATE
Maybe I can shut it off.

SAYID joins her, bending over to examine the panel.

SAYID
And, how might you do that?

KATE
I saw Juliet do it once.

SAYID (Doubtful)
Without the code?

ANGLE ON MILES. He continues to scan with a slight twitch, similar to when we saw him reading the boys room in Confirmed Dead. Suddenly he walks through the pylons and turns towards an astonished KATE and SAYID.

MILES
Hey, I don't think its on.

KATE
And how did you know that?

MILES
Lucky guess.

MILES turns and walks away. SAYID and KATE exchange puzzled glances and proceed after him.



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36. "RE: Easter Egg scene from The Economist"
Wait, what? Where did you get that?

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39. "RE: Easter Egg scene from The Economist"
It was e-mailed to me, source unknown. Take it with a grain of salt, but other Easter Eggs sent by this same person has shown up as deleted scenes when the dvd came out.


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44. "RE: Easter Egg scene from The Economist"
Lostpedia mentioned this on their front page, but didn't have the dialog. (Maybe the did, but I am afraid to delve too deeply into the Lost sites because I don't want to read any spoilers by accident.)
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46. "Link to spoilers site"
A very good site for Easter Eggs, spoilers, and theories:

http://www.docarzt.com/lost-news/lost-403-the-economist-a-delet.php

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34. "Mikulski"
Who could the mysterious "Mikulski" be? Remember the pilot told Farraday not to talk to him on the satellite phone. They seem a little afraid of him.

Wondering if Mikulski = Michael?

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51. "Minkowski"
We haven't met him yet. He is not Michael....that does not mean that Michael might not pop up soon.

More about Minkowski in hidden text:
Minkowski is being played by Fisher Stevens.
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37. "RE: "The Economist" 2/14/08"
I like the theory that Milkuski is Michael.

The way that Ben said "That's a secret" when Sayid asked him who was on the boat suggests that there is relevance to the answer. Perhaps it is Sayid himself. Of course that would only be possible if the whole time-loop/time-warp theory turns out to be true. The show has given us so much evidence to support the time theory that I'm convinced. Of course I was convinced in season I that the island was purgatory so what do I know?

Was the you-tube link provided above actually produced by the producers of Lost or was it produced by fans? The popup about "God loves Jacob" doesn't seem like anything that would normally be in the show so the video is a little suspect.

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38. "Losing Interest"
The last two episodes have almost "Lost" me. First, it's a weird team to assemble to go after Ben. Then seeing Ben off the island is somewhat disconcerting. I don't know if I buy that he'd suddenly go off the island just to continue the purge on all the people associated with Dharma. If he had wanted to, he could have secretly sent Richard or others to do the job years earlier. But if Ben does go off the island, he becomes a candidate for the coffin that no one but Jack went to see.


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40. "RE: Losing Interest"
Thanks, michel-- I thought I was the only one who isn't enthralled with this season. While the episodes remain intriguing, I find the flash-forwards to be very jarring. With flash-forwards, the focus of the show has shifted dramatically away from the island and its mysteries. We keep getting future scenes to see what the "Oceanic 6" are doing after they get off the island, but I'm having a hard time caring. The initial premise of the show was a modern-day Robinson Crusoe story on a creepy island, and they've strayed from that by a lot. Too much, if you ask me.

It kind of reminds me of when they blew up SD-6 on "Alias". That show wasn't the same either after the abrupt course change.


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41. "RE: Losing Interest"
I just wonder if that *is* the future or if it just *could be* the future. If it *is* the future, then I don't care how they get there. Without a happily ever after, I really don't need to see how it ends.

If it's just a possible future, then it seems clear that they're setting us up to be grateful when the characters are all stuck on the island forever. "Thank God they didn't end up stuck in those depressing lives. Dodged that bullet, they did." But, I'm still curious how it all fits together, how they figure it out, and what they do differently.


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42. "RE: Losing Interest"
I just wonder if that *is* the future or if it just *could be* the future. If it *is* the future, then I don't care how
>they get there. Without a happily ever after, I really don't need to see how it ends.

My thoughts exactly. I agree that week 2's episode was just okay. I guess that’s to be expected when you introduce new characters. It interrupts the flow of the story. At first I wasn't that enthralled with this week's episode either, however, I've been thinking about it all weekend. I liked the time warp element and agree with the poster above that there is a bit of déjà vu. It makes me think that when they go back and save everyone, we'll see everyone have a different (happier) ending.

I’m not at all surprised that Sayid has become an assassin. We’ve seen that side of him all along and Jack reminded us that he was a torturer and Hurley mentioned that he saw Sayid snap that guys neck. I was surprised that Sayid was working for Ben and that is a stretch of imagination, but it makes me wonder. Has Sayid sold his soul to Ben or is this the “good guy” side of Ben that’s he’s been calling himself all along? Do the Losties and Ben team up against Dharma? Certainly whoever it is that rescues the Oceanic 6 is very powerful as it is obvious that for her silence, they were able to save Kate from going back to jail. I’m thinking now that the person she has to get back to is her child she had with Sawyer. Michael Emerson is a great actor and I really love to hate Ben!

We’ve discovered 4 of the 6 Oceanic Six: Kate, Jack, Hurley, and Sayid. Plus we know that Ben gets off and we can assume that Michael, Walt and Desmond escape too. At this rate who’s going to be left to go back to save?


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48. "RE: Losing Interest"
Did you also notice that Sayid said he was one of the Oceanic 6 from flight 5815 and not just 815.....slip up or does that mean something?


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49. "RE: Losing Interest"
I did not catch that and I've since deleted that epi from the dvr, dang it. So he said fifty-eight fifteen?



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52. "RE: Losing Interest"
Sayid said "Oceanic flight 815."
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45. "RE: Losing Interest"
It depends on what the definition of "is" is



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50. "RE: Losing Interest"
I just wonder if that *is* the future or if it just *could be* the future.

Since I am such a dork, I have even listened to all the podcasts, and I remember this question being asked of Cuse and Lindelhof. They said that the flashforward was the real future, just not necessarily the final future.

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