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"I've got a bad feeling about the potential "winners""
There have been some things to like about this show. However, there have been some things to dislike too. One of those things to dislike is the casting. CIA and Air Force were basically the 2 teams that have appeared well suited for this. The editing has not been good but for the sake of assumption, let's suppose that CIA really did find the Girard boat clue that opened the cryptex around the same time that Team "Genius" (dumb and untrue name) found it. One can conclude that had it not been for the snafu with the CIA guy not having the credit card, CIA would have not been set back to last and would have therefore made it to the finals. Now, given the teams that are left, there's a chance for Air Force to screw up one episode (like the one in England) and cause one of the undeserving teams to win. What makes the other two teams "undeserving?" Whether it's been team CIA that they teamed up with 3 times or the cab they followed to the Susan B. Anthony statue, the Southie's have not forged their own trail at all. Even in Boston (their home town) they had to have help finding the schoolhouse they were looking for and Air Force still beat them there. They have managed to stay in due to the overall weakness of the teams. Consider that the Browns and the Hanlons were some of the most poorly suited reality teams ever cast in any show, the grad students and Miss USA were all girls meaning that the Southies would have an edge over them in phycical tasks (such as climbing that mountain last week) and then there was the preacher family Fogals with perma-whine daughter. Did anyone really think they would make the finals? They were almost guaranteed to luck into the finals if someone screwed up in a late episode because they were practically automatic to be lurking in the top 4 or 5 with the competition that they had. Team "Genius" is anything but. So they solved the candle clue in the English church fast. That's about it. They were on the same wild goose chase at that castle in France with Southies and CIA last week. Yes, they found the "secret" room behind the giant portrait tonight but the Southie's and Air Force didn't actually need to find it having already solved the clue. Besides, "finding" the room was less about solving any clue or figuring anything out and more about one of them not being able to keep his hands off stuff...even in a museum...and he as much as said so on the show. As it stands, because of the weak competition and CIA's screw up tonight, there are 2 teams that don't deserve the win or the money who could end up getting it simply by virtue of the fact that they are in the finals. Air Force has been great but they haven't placed first every round. However, the Southie's and Team "Genius" have not placed first at all. In fact, "Genius" has placed next to last three (3) times (first episode, episode they had to dig, and last night). In fact, in the digging episode, they wouldn't have had the Browns to be around for elimination that week had it not been for the fact that the Browns were reinstated after the grad student girl hurt her leg. That means that without either of them being an outstanding team (and one of them being downright below average), all that has to happen for one of them to "win" is for Air Force to screw up or have misfortune befall them. In my opinion, someone else screwing up or experiencing bad luck is not deserving of winning a million bucks. And this late in the game, it's too late for either the Southie's or Team "Genius" to deserve it by way of earning it through outstanding play. So, either way, it's undeserved. Better casting would have prevented undeserving teams from being one other team's screw up away from making this whole experiment end with a bad taste. I sure hope Air Force wins.
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 RE: I've got a bad feeling about th... Max Headroom 08-08-06 1
   RE: I've got a bad feeling about th... realitytvwatcher 08-08-06 2
       RE: I've got a bad feeling about th... Loree 08-08-06 3
           RE: I've got a bad feeling about th... Earl Colby Pottinger 08-08-06 4
   RE: I've got a bad feeling about th... Dakota 08-08-06 7
   RE: I've got a bad feeling about th... stunnerphil 08-15-06 14
 RE: I've got a bad feeling about th... Earl Colby Pottinger 08-08-06 5
   RE: I've got a bad feeling about th... CantStandToLook 08-08-06 6
   RE: I've got a bad feeling about th... Dakota 08-08-06 8
       RE: I've got a bad feeling about th... Earl Colby Pottinger 08-09-06 9
           RE: I've got a bad feeling about th... CantStandToLook 08-09-06 10
               RE: I've got a bad feeling about th... donracefan 08-09-06 11
                   RE: I've got a bad feeling about th... Dakota 08-09-06 13
               RE: I've got a bad feeling about th... Dakota 08-09-06 12
                   RE: I've got a bad feeling about th... coffeecoffeecoffee 08-19-06 15
 RE: I've got a bad feeling about th... BlueLies 08-22-06 16

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1. "RE: I've got a bad feeling about the potential "winners""
Unworthy winners are an unfortunate fact of reality TV. How many times in Survivor does the strongest player get voted off? Almost every time. How many times does the strongest team win TAR? Very rarely, there's always one bad break or screwup that knocks them out.

Just a few unworthy reality winners:

Survivor
Vecepia
Sandra
Brian

Amazing Race
Flo
Kim
Freddy & Kendra


Air Force = best team. Winners? We'll see.

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2. "RE: I've got a bad feeling about the potential "winners""
Reality "competition" shows are designed to allow for screw ups. It is what makes the show more interesting. However, misfortunes might be a better term since something like a traffic jam or plane delay may cause a so called "undeserving" team to advance.

I'm not a fan of the "Geniuses" but the fact of the matter is that the CIA team member had the "misfortune" of not having his visa card with him - team genius did. The fact that they have come in last more than once and still made it to the final three makes them just as deserving as Air Force.

The same goes for the Southies. Remember you are watching an edited version of what actually happened. Through editing, "characters" are crafted and "situations" are exaggerated thus creating the "undeserving" teams.

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3. "RE: I've got a bad feeling about the potential "winners""
The Southies were the team that spotted the arrow from the top of Dover Castle and told the others. And they were the first to finally hold the parchment over the candles in their group. They are not undeserving. They were actually just as much leaders in their group as ExCIA. And Air Force was silly enough to follow the Fogals off the train in Paris when the Southies knew to stay on it.

The Geniuses are the least deserving to win because they keep just barely slipping through. But they are in the F3 and now have as good a chance as the others.

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4. "RE: I've got a bad feeling about the potential "winners""
Infact, we see time and time again that The Southies Boys solving puzzles faster that most other teams. Thier problem is being confident in thier own decisions. They have not been poor players, they just have not be aggresive in thier play.

Now they are in the final three, there is little chance they will leak thier insights to the other teams. If they win, it will be on thier own feet. If they win they deserve to win.

The Geniuses are at the bottom of my list, not because they are poor players. They really are not. Not because they keep making mistakes. They fix them themselves. But because they are a poor team, these people show little respect for each other. It is more like a group of associaties than friends on the trips. If the treasure is something hard to split up, like a small vacation island or a yacht - expect fireworks about if it should be sold or not, or who uses it when. The treasure better be cash if these three win.

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7. "RE: I've got a bad feeling about the potential "winners""
>Unworthy winners are an unfortunate fact
>of reality TV. How
>many times in Survivor does
>the strongest player get voted
>off? Almost every time.
> How many times does
>the strongest team win TAR?
> Very rarely, there's always
>one bad break or screwup
>that knocks them out.
>
>Just a few unworthy reality winners:
>
>
>Survivor
>Vecepia
>Sandra
>Brian
>
>Amazing Race
>Flo
>Kim
>Freddy & Kendra
>


Great answer, absolutely true, but now that you've named names, I need some Excedrin.


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14. "RE: I've got a bad feeling about the potential "winners""
i totally agree with that and i am worried that the worst team will win the geniuses they bug the heck out of me they got lucky too much should have been eliminated a long time ago the only team that would have been worse then them would have been the idiotic wild hanlons.
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5. "RE: I've got a bad feeling about the potential "winners""
Can I say Bullocks.

First, if Ex-CIA deserve to win, how come we see them make the mistakes that cause them to lose? There was not one snafu on thier part, there were three. (1) Credit Card (2) Not checking the Painting (3) Poor searching for names. The Ex-CIA messed themselves up, there was no-one with them to mislead them, thier errors were thier own.

What type of complaint is it that the Southie Boys need help in thier home town? How many times on TAR have we seen teams lose because they don't ask for directions in thier home town, thinking they know it all? If they asked then they are smarter than a lot of other teams out there that did not and that puts them on my list of deserving winners.

Why comment that Miss USA could not meet the physical tasks? That is not what killed them, they were in second place when they ended up stump by a mental task. So you are busy analazing a team about a feature that had nothing to do with thier performance in the show.

And as for the Grad Students, they are doing great with the physical tasks we saw them do. The accident they had could had occurred to any team and was of a type of injury that would disable anyone, male or female. It is not clear to me that they would had any problem doing any of the following physical tasks we saw later in the show. I don't see how you came up with un-deserving for thier team either.

Browns, too fat - true - but nice people all the same.

Harlons, too stupid - I can't see it being just editting.

Fogals, too aggressive - they attacked the other teams way too early in the race. Not nice people.

UnderGrads - too easyly lead astay. This team I do not think would make it even if the Geniuses had not messed them up.

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Sorry, good teams don't let bad teams cost them the game. When ever a bad team was costing another team it position, it was up to the affected team to see it and put the pressure on. If they don't that is thier own fault.

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6. "RE: I've got a bad feeling about the potential "winners""
Word.

The game is all about keeping the playing field even with a mixture of peoples strengths and weaknesses and I think they did just that. Ex-CIA shot themselves in the foot. The Geniuses called each other when they were in the building, Ex-Cia could have called and asked for the security code.


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8. "RE: I've got a bad feeling about the potential "winners""
>Why comment that Miss USA could
>not meet the physical tasks?
> That is not what
>killed them, they were in
>second place when they ended
>up stump by a mental
>task. So you are
>busy analazing a team about
>a feature that had nothing
>to do with thier performance
>in the show.

The Southies figured out to put some water on the map while on the subway while two other teams watched. All three teams jumped ahead of Miss USA, two of which never figured out anything. That's what did them in and that's the weakness of this show IMO.


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9. "RE: I've got a bad feeling about the potential "winners""
And this has what to do with Miss USA physical abilities?

If one comments that Team Miss USA did not deserve to be a winning team because they did not have the physical abilities, should on not show them failing from those lack of abilities. But thru to show until they lose to a *MENTAL* test we not only see them doing well (not best, well) but doing better than a number of other teams in physical tasks. Were they the strongest team? No. Were thier physical abilities limiting in this game? Answer No!


And how did this then become a weakness in the show?

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10. "RE: I've got a bad feeling about the potential "winners""
I can't speak for Dak, but I think the weakness she was referring to was the ability for one team to solve the clue and everyone else to just copy them since they're usually all there at the same time anyway. Having the clues be located in multiple locations in each spot would probably help with this in the next season if there is one. YMMV



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11. "RE: I've got a bad feeling about the potential "winners""
What I said was that the Southie's would have a built in advantage over the grad students and Team USA in physical tasks. Making that general statement doesn't mean that is how I predicted they would end up being eliminated. In fact, when I made that statement, both of their elimination episodes had already occured so obviously I was NOT saying that their physical disadvantage to Southie's is what eliminated them. However, if the general physical advantages were not true, why would Team USA not have climbed the mountain with the boys instead of driving 3 hours round trip to get the clue from the statue. That put them in last place. They ended up getting back in second after the 9 knuckleheads left the castle not having found the messages behind the rocks in the wall and Miss USA did. But that doesn't negate the fact that they nonetheless avoided the physical task on purpose. A 10 hours swamp walk, 5 hours of digging up a "death mask", a cliff climb, and walking the side of a 22nd floor ledge are all more physical tasks than most reality shows have. Therefore, it can be argued that three 25 year old guys (who unlike the "dummies" are in good shape) were at an advantage going into those tasks. I don't know why people think it's somehow politically correct to deny that reality. Again, that disadvantage didn't end up being exactly what costs them the game but it was a disadvantage during those physical tasks that they had to work around.
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13. "RE: I've got a bad feeling about the potential "winners""
>A 10 hours
>swamp walk, 5 hours of
>digging up a "death mask",
>a cliff climb, and walking
>the side of a 22nd
>floor ledge are all more
>physical tasks than most reality
>shows have. Therefore, it
>can be argued that three
>25 year old guys (who
>unlike the "dummies" are in
>good shape) were at an
>advantage going into those tasks.
> I don't know why
>people think it's somehow politically
>correct to deny that reality.
> Again, that disadvantage didn't
>end up being exactly what
>costs them the game but
>it was a disadvantage during
>those physical tasks that they
>had to work around.

The Grads and Team USA were definitely at a disadvantage during some of the tasks. I don't think it's politically incorrect to say that men would typically have an advantage over women in matters such as ditch digging. As for trudging through a swamp or rowing a few miles, it's a matter of fitness more than strength. I think the mental part of TH offers teams like Miss USA, the Fogals or Geniuses to make up some of the slack, unless the really fit teams, like ExAir Force, are also really smart. In any case, this contest challenges their brains and fitness, which I don't think we see enough of on TAR and Survivor. That's what I love about this show - it's less about backstabbing and conniving and more about being fit and smart.


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12. "RE: I've got a bad feeling about the potential "winners""
Correctomundo, CSTL. That is what I meant by a weakness of the show. As for Miss USA, I thought they rocked and I was cheering for them. I also liked CIA and really really wanted to see them beat out the not-so-Geniuses.


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15. "RE: I've got a bad feeling about the potential "winners""
the Geniuses have finished next to last so many times they dont deserve to be in the final 3! I hope they get passed really really soon...
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LAST EDITED ON 08-23-06 AT 12:04 PM (EST)

Well, at least it went to those who could really use the money. I guess that's all we can hope for these days. A million each? That's pretty generous. I hope they pay their taxes right away, sock at least half away into savings and a good portion into a retirement account to grow upon.

BTW... be very careful of insurance fraud players... they are out there. They should invest in some on-car cams and drive like a granny, watch your Ps and Qs, don't so much as drive three inches over a crosswalk guideline... they are out there.

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