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"Who's Fighting Next?"
A couple things.....

1. It sucks that Anthony had to manipulate his teammates for his fight. But, the name of the game isn't showfriends it's showbusiness and he wants the green. So I can understand....

2. I was pumped up tonight, great show, great fight.

3. I think Tarick is fighting next, I'm not sure who though. I'm gonna say, Jimmy?

Let's see who is left that hasnt fought.
Juan (sorry if i misspelled your name man)
Joey
Jimmy
Tarick


I'm gonna die if my two favorites fight last. Joey and Juan are gonna be tough and I don't want to see either of them leave. I love all of the guys, some more then others. But to be honest all of them have their characteristics that define them and makes each one respectable.

GO HARD OR GO HOME BOYS!!!! Remember that.

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: Who's Fighting Next? pshannonn 04-03-05 1
   RE: Who's Fighting Next? JayT 04-03-05 2
   RE: Who's Fighting Next? Superbad 04-03-05 6
 RE: Who's Fighting Next? aliemme 04-03-05 3
   RE: Who's Fighting Next? DTrump 04-03-05 4
   RE: Who's Fighting Next? Superbad 04-03-05 5
       RE: Who's Fighting Next? Da Contenda 04-04-05 7
   RE: Who's Fighting Next? budavso 04-04-05 9
   RE: Who's Fighting Next? PagongRatEater 04-04-05 11
       Agree - Anthony showed lack of inte... mtopaz 04-04-05 15
       RE: Who's Fighting Next? flipxcyd 04-05-05 34
 Minnesota Fathead AyaK 04-04-05 8
   RE: Minnesota Fathead aliemme 04-04-05 10
       So what? AyaK 04-04-05 12
           Agree PagongRatEater 04-04-05 13
           RE: So what? JayT 04-04-05 14
           RE: So what? TroyGun25 04-04-05 16
               RE: So what? Duhnellie 04-04-05 17
               RE: So what? FarwestChips 04-04-05 20
                   RE: So what? TroyGun25 04-04-05 21
                       RE: So what? FarwestChips 04-04-05 23
                           RE: So what? TroyGun25 04-04-05 26
                   RE: So what? Da Contenda 04-04-05 29
                       RE: So what? FarwestChips 04-05-05 48
               RE: So what? Mort 04-05-05 33
   RE: Minnesota Fathead Duhnellie 04-04-05 18
   RE: Minnesota Fathead VegasFightWriter 04-04-05 31
       Feel free to steal AyaK 04-05-05 40
           RE: Feel free to steal ChicagoTRS 04-05-05 41
           RE: Feel free to steal VegasFightWriter 04-05-05 44
       RE: Minnesota Fathead FarwestChips 04-05-05 46
 RE: Who's Fighting Next? FarwestChips 04-04-05 19
   RE: Who's Fighting Next? Superbad 04-04-05 22
 RE: Who's Fighting Next? Budfox82 04-04-05 24
   RE: Who's Fighting Next? FarwestChips 04-04-05 25
       RE: Who's Fighting Next? Budfox82 04-04-05 27
           RE: Who's Fighting Next? Superbad 04-04-05 28
       Agree AyaK 04-04-05 30
           RE: Agree originalbondgirl 04-05-05 35
               RE: Agree FarwestChips 04-05-05 49
           RE: Agree Duhnellie 04-05-05 47
               RE: Agree FarwestChips 04-05-05 51
 Representing ... VegasFightWriter 04-04-05 32
   RE: Representing ... Wacko Jacko 04-05-05 36
       RE: Representing ... TroyGun25 04-05-05 37
           RE: Representing ... contender_girl 04-05-05 38
               RE: Representing ... ChicagoTRS 04-05-05 39
       Fighting AyaK 04-05-05 42
           RE: Fighting VegasFightWriter 04-05-05 43
               RE: Fighting JayT 04-05-05 45
                   RE: Fighting FarwestChips 04-05-05 50

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1. "RE: Who's Fighting Next?"
The problem with what Anthony did was that there wasn't any honor in his actions. I mean he totally played up that he was going to fight Jimmy, saying I will have his head on a platter.... It is totally understandable to do what is best for you and your family, but do it with honesty, dignity, and respect.
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2. "RE: Who's Fighting Next?"
Yeah, I was a bit surprised at how he played it up so much. But I wonder if we see the whole picture on how the groups are working, maybe 1 or 2 fighters seen as "leaders" are trying to set the fights up as they see fit (so they can fight who THEY want to) and might even throw a challange to keep it that way.

Anthony clearly thought his team mates wouldn't go all out if he changed his mind...wonder what lead him to believe that? I don't blame a prize fighter for not trusting anybody, can you?

We'll see if it comes back to bite him.

Jimmy will fight someone next I predict! Who...I don't have a guess!

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6. "RE: Who's Fighting Next?"
Jay T, aliemme: Good points, guys. Some real stuff to think about.
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3. "RE: Who's Fighting Next?"
I don't have a problem with what Anthony did. I feel like he is the only one that remembers that this is a reality show. If the fights are already picked why are they wasting our time with challenges? I thought it shook everything up. If the rest of his "team" can't understand why he did what he did, then that is their problem. I felt bad for Joey though and hope he wins his fight.
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4. "RE: Who's Fighting Next?"
Anthony is the man...
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5. "RE: Who's Fighting Next?"
I'm in agreement. I think Anthony should have every right to fight who he wants to fight.

I do feel pshannon, though, about Ant playing it up too much, especially if he knew what he was gonna do. That made it worse with his teammates, I believe. Anthony has to shoulder some of the blame for that. Also, he should have spoken up when they were discussing the matchups, like Espino did. Maybe it all happened too fast, who knows...

In any case, Anthony should have the right to call the shots on who he feels is the best fight for him. Styles make fights. Obviously Jimmy, with his height and long-a** reach, was a problem for him. I can identify. That's a (ahem) tall order and with only 5 rounds to work past that...Anthony acted like a manager in this case, and it was a smart move.

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7. "RE: Who's Fighting Next?"
I am also in agreement (especially with DTrump...Anthony IS the man!!!) Why should he have to fight a mismatch for himself if he is making the decision. From what I have read on other sites, there are a few key guys (Ishe, Jesse, etc.) that are picking their teammates fights. I thought Tony definitely did the right thing...he obviously saw something in Brent that he thought he could exploit--and did he ever!!
It appeared to me that he kept his choice silent because he knew his teammates would throw the challenge, allowing the East fighter to call out the pre-arranged fight. I know for a fact that they had already thrown one of the challenges before (read that on Alphonso's website), so Tony knew they would do it again.
Smart move Tony!!
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9. "RE: Who's Fighting Next?"
I have a huge problem with what Anthony did.His teammates aren't mad at him because he fought Brent....that wasn't the problem.It was that be blantently lied to them, when they are the one's helping him to win the challenge so he could fight "jimmy".He should have just told them who he wanted to fight, just like the other guys from the West did.Boxing is a mental game.You prepare for a fight.Jimmy was prepared to fight this week,just like Peter Manfredo was ready to fight last week.When you pull something like that you obviously have the advantage. And yes, it's a winner takes all,but dont be a wuss.(wanted to say something else there).Basically he shouldnt have laid on the bed saying "I'm fighting Jimmy,I cant wait to call him out.I want to win this challenge guys (his team) so I can call him out on my own."He's in for it now,everyone is gunning for him.I hope he gets his ##### kicked
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11. "RE: Who's Fighting Next?"
The problem with Anthony is that he LIED to his teammates to get this fight, he made them bust their a$$ in the challenge so that he could stab them in the back and he showed a total lack of integrity in not being man enough to say that Jimmy wasn't the fight he wanted. The dude is a boxer, BE A MAN and tell your teammates that you don't want to fight Jimmy. Be truthful and let them know that you are 100% positive that you could beat Brent. You think they didn't want the win too? He played his teammates hard and sold them out.

It's a shame because as a father I can totally identify with his need to put his family first and his immeasureable love for his kids. He was totally the kind of guy I could have cheered for - but the guy has no honor and no integrity, he is a coward.

Period.


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15. "Agree - Anthony showed lack of integrity"
It's a shame because as a father I can totally identify with his need to put his family first and his immeasureable love for his kids. He was totally the kind of guy I could have cheered for - but the guy has no honor and no integrity, ...

As a parent, there is so much I am trying to instill in my son, through my example. And two of the uppermost things are 1) whatever you do, give it your best; and 2) have personal integrity. If you say you will do something, do it. Be a person others can trust.

I have no doubt Anthony loves his children with all his heart, and he certainly is giving it his all in this competition. But he achieved his goal through dishonesty and his teammates are rightfully angry and disappointed in him. There's more to being a man and a good father than putting food on the table and providing financially for your children. I also happen to believe that being a man of your word is as important. Don't use your teammates to win a challenge, for your own self-serving purpose.

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34. "RE: Who's Fighting Next?"
THANK YOU. I agree.
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8. "Minnesota Fathead"
Sorry, I can't buy any pro-Anthony spin here.

Yes, he's right that the other guys don't feed his kids. But that doesn't give him the right to stab his teammate in the back.

This isn't Survivor. These people realistically know what they are capable of doing. The West and East developed a schedule that would put each boxer in the ring against someone of reasonably equal capability. That was part of pulling together as a team -- because, unlike Survivor or The Apprentice, you don't win or lose based on your team, just on your ability in the ring. The "team" came from giving every guy a fair shot. But Anthony decided to screw his teammates.

Joey would have fought previously, but the West was allowing him the maximum time possible to recover from his hamstring pull. Then Anthony double-crossed them all. One of them will take him out in the next round. It wouldn't surprise me if we find out that Anthony's team in the next round threw a challenge simply to get rid of him, by pairing him up against someone he couldn't beat.

In addition, this isn't like Survivor, where you never see these people again except in Hollywood. These boxers are probably going to be the most famous welterweights and middleweights in America when the show is over, even more famous than undisputed middleweight champ Bernard Hopkins. And every single one of them will remember this: "Anthony is a lying scumbag." You can expect that every middleweight in America knows that by now. And they'll make sure that, when they fight Anthony, they'll be ready to embarrass him in the ring. And then they will.

A strategy that might make you famous on Survivor only proves you're a fathead on The Contender. Meet Anthony, Minnesota Fathead.

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10. "RE: Minnesota Fathead"
This may not be survivor but it is still a game with a 1 million dollar prize. Do you really think Mark Burnett is just sitting by idly as the fighters map everything out ahead of time, making the first 40 minutes of the show irrelevant? There is even a clause in the Apprentice contract that says the producers can choose who is going to be eliminated. This is not a documentary on 16 middle weight fighters it is a "reality show". And as ratings dwindle the producers are going to do what they can to liven it up. Why do you think they brought back Peter? We have to remember that this is a tv show first and foremost and the idea is to entertain, especially for viewers who are not big boxing fans. And Anthony's decision was definetly entertaining to say the least.
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>This may not be survivor but it is still a game with a 1 million dollar prize.

Yeah, except that Anthony now has no chance of winning that prize, and he should be self-aware enough to know that. You can't win merely by backstabbing your friends; you have to win in the ring.

If Anthony had beaten Jimmy Lange, he might well have had a chance to pick a fight in the second round. He could've double-crossed everyone at that time by picking the winner of Joey-Brent, and that would have made sense. Now Anthony will never get another chance to pick a fight, and you can be certain that one of the better fighters will take advantage of this opportunity to knock some sense into him, claiming to merely be "avenging" Joey.

>Do you really think Mark Burnett is just sitting by idly as the
>fighters map everything out ahead of time, making the first
>40 minutes of the show irrelevant? There is even a clause in the Apprentice
>contract that says the producers can choose who is going to be eliminated.

But there is no such clause in the contract for either Survivor or The Contender, so your statement is irrelevant. In The Contender, the loser of the fight gets booted, period.

Did Anthony's double-cross make for good TV? Sure. But Anthony isn't on the show merely to be a prop for Mark Burnett. Instead, he's on the show because he wanted to win -- at least, that's what he claimed. By pulling this stunt, he has ensured that he will not get past the next round.

>This is not a documentary on 16 middle weight fighters it
>is a "reality show".

So what?

>And as ratings dwindle the producers are going to do what they can to liven
>it up.

Simply put, they don't have that much control. That's the advantage of a reality-competition show: there are limits to what the producers can do, because they can't distort the competition. But they can exploit a fool.

>Why do you think they brought back Peter?

We have talked about that at length. Where were you? We know that Alfonso was originally the alternate, although we don't know what happened to the person he replaced. When Jeff came down with chicken pox, Burnett didn't have much choice, because he wasn't going to give someone a first-round bye.

>We have to remember that this is a tv show first and foremost
>and the idea is to entertain, especially for viewers who
>are not big boxing fans. And Anthony's decision was
>definetly entertaining to say the least.

I don't deny it was entertaining. I only add that it was stupid and counterproductive.

This is a unique reality TV show, because the contestants are participating in SOMETHING THEY ACTUALLY DO -- box. The gap between real-life person and reality-TV contestant is minimal here, unlike every other reality-competition show on the air. And you don't just walk away from the other contestants, unless you quit the sport. What Anthony did will haunt him for as long as he boxes.

Perhaps Anthony should change his nickname from "The Bullet" to "The Bullethead," because you'd have to have a tiny, bullet-sized brain to think this strategy would work.

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13. "Agree"
Once again the great AyaK demonstrates his superior ananlytical and argumentative skills. You are 100% correct that this clown has no chance of winning this game at this point. Yes, it IS a game...but if you are going to treat it as such then play it well and have a strategy that actually makes sense.


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14. "RE: So what?"
I disagree about Anthony, I think he was doing what he had to do to guarantee he made it to the final 8. He should have talked about it before hand to soften the blow, but AFTER they won the challenge.

Why risk fighting someone who might knock you out of the whole game this early just because it's more evenly matched? Boxing is NOT a TEAM sport in the end. Name any other boxer in this show (or anywhere) that wants someone other than themselves to win. He was looking out for himself and his career as I see it. But he defiantly shouldn't have surprised everyone with his decision.

But you know boxers that are angry usually don't box, they fight...and a boxer will beat a punching mad fighter almost every time (in the ring!). Maybe heís trying to work the system?

Anthony will have to face the music sooner or later and then we'll see if it was a good move for him.


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16. "RE: So what?"
One thing I'm getting sick of hearing the team this and teammates that. Common, if you're going to sit there and talk about teams and how Tony backstabbed his teammates you are in lala land. There is no team in this show, there's only "I". You've got to get over looking at this show as a team thing. I mean, what is the point of the challenges if the fights are already predetermined? That's rediculous. And why should Jesse and Ishe choose for Tony who he's going to fight? Maybe Jesse and Ishe are playing the game and setting other boxers up for losses. So lets just stop calling this a team thing because it's the farthest thing from the truth.
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17. "RE: So what?"
Good Lord you all went nutz!!! I agree with you Troy, this isn't about teams, there is no team with you out in the ring, its just you and your opponent.

Yes dishonesty is a bad trait, but responsibility is greater.

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20. "RE: So what?"
Farthest thing from the truth? Are you saying there is no team in boxing? Thatís nuts. Let me guess you have never even played on a coed softball league huh?
Are all the trainers just towel boys? How about the conditioners, or the management? Sure when you get in the ring your alone I have stated that here before, but donít say there is no team in boxing before you have ever tried on gloves. I dare you to tell my wife she was not on a team, the crazy big boobed Norwegian will kill you were you stand. Aerobic and anaerobic trainers, punching coaches, sparing partners, managers, promoters, Doctors that work for free as cut men. Your thought that you have any clue what this sport is about is the farthest thing from the truth. If they were not a team than Tony should not have relied on Joey to make sure he could get the fight he wanted. The team agreed that since Joey was key in their success so far that he deserved a easy fight. The fact is Tony is done; all he did was prolong his inevitable loss at the hands of a solid fighter. And he did all of this after he gave another man his word.
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21. "RE: So what?"
Farwest Chips- I know all about how teams function...four years of college football says that I do. As for my statement regarding there's no team I meant it as in context of this show. I'll say this slow for you, try to keep up, when...the...fights...were...predetermined...what's...the...point...of...the...challenges? What's the point of there even being teams? I agree with your point, yes the trainers and everyone else that make a boxer go is a part of the boxer's team, no argument there. But the rest of the boxers, in the context of the show, are NOT a part of a team nor should they act like they are, they are INDVIDUALS. Plus Tony played Joey, plain and simple. I was at a "Contender" party just last night and talked to Tony and he said that Joey is one of the most manipulative players there and one of the biggest whinners there, the viewing public just never saw it. Now, do I think Tony will will his next fight? I have no idea, the boxers that have moved on are all tough and good. Does he have a chance? Absolutely, anything can happen once the bell sounds.
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23. "RE: So what?"
At what point did anyone pre determined a fight for anyone except Joey getting an easy fight with Brent? I donít recall at any point Ishe telling anyone else they had to fight anyone else. Joey got Brent because he went all out and risked his health so everyone else on his team including Tony could get the fight they wanted. Joey was willing to help Tony out with his chosen fight. Nobody said Tony had to fight Lang, he said he would fight Lang to help Joey, he was asked if that was ok and he agreed (HE AGREED) to the group that he would repay a deserved favor to Joey. Of course he is going to say its Joey that is two faced, he made himself look foolish by running from a fight he agreed to, and threw a guy that helped him out under the bus at the same time.
So Iíll say this back to you just as slow as you spoke to me, The fights were never pre determined, guys from the west were able to pick who they wanted based on Joey's performances in the challenges. Tony could of ran from Lang and still not picked Brent. Tony could of left the easy fight for the guy that got him as far as he got. Donít forget that if the East had won Manfredo could of called out Tony and swept 5 more rounds and sent him home. If the East wins Manfredo could of taken an easy first fight against a fighter ha already destroyed once.
If Tony did not want to be on a team than he should of not joined forces with the team to get what he wanted.
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26. "RE: So what?"
So what you're telling me is that the west just rode Joey's back to win the challenges and then they could pick their fights and Joey's reward was to fight Brent? That makes no sense to me at all. I don't know what else I can say to you man. I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree. Time will tell if Tony's move will pan out...he could very well win the next fight...he could win the whole thing...he could be out the next fight, I guess we'll just have to tune in and watch. Let's revisit this topic after next week's show.
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29. "RE: So what?"
You're right Farwest, boxing can be more of a team sport than people realize. But Tony's team consists of his trainers, sparring partners, and cornermen. This is his REAL team, not "The West". Would his real team ever set him up to fail like the west did? Hell no...and I'm sure his real team is proud of him for choosing for himself, and not letting his future opponents dictate the fights.
Obviously Ishe, Jesse, and the others in the elite 8 wanted to see Tony and Jimmy fight, as they were the 2 strongest fighters left. And by pairing up Brent and Joey, they would be assuring that a decisively weaker boxer would be there for the picking in the next round.
Is everyone else blind to this?
And for those of you who would argue that Tony is one of the weaker boxers left, then you have clearly never seen him fight. I've read several comments about how Peter "tore him up" last May. Those of you saying that obviously read the judges scoring of the fight...which would've given that appearance. The fight was much closer than the scores would indicate. Plus, where did the fight take place??? Oh, that's right--Providence (home of Manfredo). I'm not stating that the judges were influenced by this, because Peter definitely did win. But I am positive that Peter had the home crowd advantage...with Tony being all alone on his turf. Let's see how Tony does on neutral ground with his motivation sitting front row.
If Tony takes down one of the "better" fighters next round, will you Anthony-bashers respect him??
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48. "RE: So what?"
I have not seen the fight, I have just read the reports, and Manfredo who I am not ready to call a great boxer won a chess match. With that and the losses and draws Tony has had to mediocre fighters and that fact that he has never beaten a good fighter tells me he has no chance against 5 of the fighters that have moved onto the second round.
And if his "Real" team fought to help him reach a goal and he backed out they would turn their backs on him as well.
Nobody can argue that he agreed that Brent should be left for Joey. He was in on the deal, he knew it was fair being that Joey had and would continue to over extend himself in the challenges to help the west out.
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33. "RE: So what?"
I have to agree with you on this. Why would a boxer want all fighters to fight "even" fights, including themselves? This is not a team sport. Once the next round comes, these teams won't exist. Besides, the talk of "weak" fighters and "strong" fighters should be BS if the producers did this right. All the boxers should be assumed to be evenly matched; unless they wanted to predetermine the final round of fights. Surely that type of thing never happens in boxing.
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That is funny.....True...but funny
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31. "RE: Minnesota Fathead"
Perfectly said. Can I quote you in my next summary? (Seriously).

I was just talking with Ishe about it: about how quick people were to jump on his case for not fighting Ahmed (which he ended up doing anyway) while praising Bonsante for doing what he did. Apparently, all six remaining fighters had shaken hands and agreed among themseles who would fight whom; it wasn't even a case of the est solely telling Anthony who to fight.

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>Perfectly said. Can I quote you in my next summary? (Seriously).

Of course. Or just borrow the thought without credit ... E! has already done that to me a few times.

>I was just talking with Ishe about it: about how quick
>people were to jump on his case for not fighting
>Ahmed (which he ended up doing anyway) while praising Bonsante
>for doing what he did. Apparently, all six remaining fighters
>had shaken hands and agreed among themseles who would fight
>whom; it wasn't even a case of the West solely
>telling Anthony who to fight.

About the handshakes: Sugar Ray made this same point in his pre-fight introduction (see the videoclip thread). About people jumping on Ishe's case: I see it too, and I don't understand it. Hey, Ishe didn't duck Ahmed -- instead, he wiped Ahmed out on all three judges' cards: 5-0, 5-0, 4-1.

The fight videoclip shows Ishe telling Alfonso that Anthony has a target on his back and telling Joey that he wants Anthony in the next round. I expect he'll get his wish ... even though we're not even sure how the second round will be organized.

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41. "RE: Feel free to steal"
I am hoping the second round is individual challenges...no more teams. Let the winner of the challenge pick his opponent. I kind of doubt it will go that way...they will somehow divide it 4 vs 4 and conveniently the teams will be divided so the set fights can happen. Maybe pick two captains and have them pick teams.

Never know with Burnett...hopefully he will see the value of throwing a monkey wrench in some of the fighters preconceived plans and make it more difficult for the few fighters that seem to be trying to set the fights.

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44. "RE: Feel free to steal"
My guess is the reason people were dumping on my boy but are praising Anthony is that Ishe doesn't articulate his feelings real well. He just bottles things up and thinks about them and keeps quiet. The show just made it look as if he were being selfish and cowardly. Every other word out of Bonsante's mouth, however, was "kids." As if he were the only one on the show with mouths to feed.
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46. "RE: Minnesota Fathead"
The key word here are " they all agreed"
Thank you VFW I knew you were a smart guy. lol
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19. "RE: Who's Fighting Next?"
If you want to see wrecks go watch NASCAR. Brent Cooper never had any business on this show. Thatís the first post I ever made on these boards. Now Lang is going to have to fight one of two guys that also really have no business being on the show. Jaun is just a baby, and really has not done anything in his career to show he deserves anything more than a Sunday afternoon brawl at a Indian reservation casino. And I really donít see Lang even wanting to fight him.
The fact is Tony "fixed" his own fight, and now he has to know he is going to get called out early in round two by one of the top guys looking to fix their own fight. On the other hand the only chance Tony had of seeing round two was to make sure he stayed out of the ring with all of the top guys in round one. And he did that by picking Brent instead of Lang. I do have trouble with the only reason the west has done so well in the events was because Joey stepped up and put it on the line to make sure everyone on his team could do what they have done by picking who they have picked. If I remember correctly the reason the west wanted Joey to have Brent was because Joey went all out in the challenges to assure his teammates could chose their own destinies. And his team felt it was only fair to let him have an easy fight at the end of the first round of the compition, and in the challenge it was Joey that shined to make sure Tony could have his day in the ring. I also have to note that seeing Ishe in the ring after the fight had my eyes rolling, great so now we have to listen to Ishe run his mouth at Tony for the next three weeks than choose not to fight him when the time comes.
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22. "RE: Who's Fighting Next?"
I've been having second thoughts about this.

It seems like Jimmy and Anthony were supposed to fight first. Jimmy even said how focused he was to fight the next day.

I also remember: 1) how these guys have problems with their weight and 2) how Brent kept saying he didn't have anything.

Could it be that Brent had to lose a sh*t-load of weight at the last second (being that everyone agreed he was gonna fight Joey at the end) in order to fight? That seems like a real possibility.
He looked unsure of himself all the way until fight time. First he knows he's not going to be at full strength. Then he also knows that he's been matched over his head now instead of the "easier" fight he had been focusing on.

If Anthony did what he did in order to get a weaknened Brent (physically and mentally) while he himself knew he was going to be in tip-top shape...that ain't too cool.

I think it violated the honor system between fighters, who know the weight and match-up issues, and thus it is why he won't get any respect from his teammates.

I feel for Cooper cuz' he was supposed to get an easier/equal match where he would have a timetable to focus on his plan.
At least he would've been able to put on a decent account of himself in losing (perhaps by decision) against Joey. Being thrown in there in the state he was in against an obviously superior fighter at the last second and with the outcome it was...
I just feel for the guy.

I'll still stick with Anthony and his right to choice, but it is kind of tainted now. He should've spoken up earlier, like Miguel. Also, I think some of the guys on the forum are right in that some fighters are trying to make the matchups whose outcomes would benefit THEM. So Anthony does have a sense of this and, obviously, is refusing to be cooperative.

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24. "RE: Who's Fighting Next?"
I just can't stand by Anthony here. He's not the only one on that show with kids, and he's hiding behind them as an excuse to stick around by taking an easy fighter. Complete lack of integrity. I liked him up until this point. Now I don't care how many "I love my kids" speeches he gives, he's on the sh!tlist.

My guess for next week is Joey v. Jimmy.

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25. "RE: Who's Fighting Next?"
Poor Joey, Lang is just way to big of a puncher.
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27. "RE: Who's Fighting Next?"
Jimmy's probably the best of the guys that haven't fought yet.
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28. "RE: Who's Fighting Next?"
I agree with you and farwest: Jimmy can punch and is one of the best fighters on there, period. In fact if you had to make a top 3 most dangerous guys list before the tournament, Jimmy would figure right in there. (The others would have been Smith & Mafredo. Ahmed would've been #4.)

Jimmy is tough, tall and lanky, and can crack.
That's a hard combo to beat. No one went out their way to pick him, I notice. I think they're all a little leery.


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30. "Agree"
>Poor Joey, Lang is just way too big of a puncher.

I agree. Neither Tarick nor Joey stand a chance against Jimmy Lange. And Juan is a nice kid but doesn't really look as if he has much business being here.

Jimmy looks like the only boxer left with potential. That means that some weak boxer will advance into round 2 and then serve as roadkill for the big guns.

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35. "RE: Agree"
Poor Joey nothing....the fight hasn't even happened. Let's see what happens and if he loses, you can pity him all you want. Personally, I think Joey's a great upcoming fighter and can stand his ground with Lange or anyone else. I know Lange has more experience in the ring...I think he is pretty remarkable as well. Hopefully, that's who Joey will be matched up with in his upcoming fight.


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49. "RE: Agree"
your right he is a great up and comer.
But Jimmy Lang has allot of KO's including a KO against Homer Gibbins who is not an easy fighter to put down. Jimmy has his fair share of KO's but not against any one that counts. In fact he has only ever won one fight against a fighter with a winning record, Kirk Douglas who is 10 and 9 and never won a fight with a solid fighter.
If Joey fights Jimmy he could be in real trouble, he will have to scrape weight to fight a guy that can bench press more weight than him, and that always spells disaster. Jimmy has more fights and bigger fight under his belt, and he is borderline artful with his 300 foot jab.
I will cheer for Joey, donít get me wrong I like the guy alot. And I really felt he could has used his incredible athletic ability to win some big fights after the other fighters tiered from a rigorous schedule.
And I will even go as far as to say if he can camp behind his right cross he could wear Jimmy out and score enough for a spit decision, of course he could always get the one good punch in early too. I will cheer for him, And I will always believe that Joey was cheated by a coward that gave him his wor
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47. "RE: Agree"
I have to disagree with you. Nothing is as it seems when it comes to height/weight in boxing. I have a feeling someone is gonna surprise you. What is left, experienced vs. inexperienced.
Joey and Juan vs. Tarick and Jimmy.

My money is on the so called "underdogs". I hope I am right.

One more thing, do you all have some untapped resource of knowledge on these boxers and their style. B/c from what I've seen , Joey is a Marine(no slouch), and Juan is a kid(which for moral purposes you would not put in a ring with a full grown adult if there was no real talent). Anyone else share my thoughts or can help shed some light on others perspectives.

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51. "RE: Agree"
My untapped recourse is my still hanging onto a broken ummm-crushed dream. I eat sleep and have sexual relations with boxing.
You are correct there is some moral issues with putting Jaun in the ring with a few of these guys.
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32. "Representing ..."
Hey, anyone else notice that, for the first time, the winner wasn't shown as being announced as representing his team? Coincidental, probably, but pretty funny in the circumstances ...
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36. "RE: Representing ..."
Do you think the producers of this show would tell everyone that the fights are predetermined unless they have to???? They have probably been predetermined before and we just haven't been told.

As for this show being about teams - heck no. This show has nothing to do with teams. You see boxers voting for guys on the other team and do you fight teammates?????? Yes, After the first round teammates will be forced to fight each other. You use Football and Softball as examples. When do you play a teammate in either of those sports. Some contestents and viewers are being fooled into thinking otherwise.

As for who fights next week, Tarrick will. Didn't you see the previews from last week? My guess is he fights Jimmy.

Personally as to who's smart. The last guys to fight are the smartest because they get all that training from guys like Sugar Ray and the others. By fighting first you passed up what is perhaps the most valuable thing this show could give you.

Anthony did the right thing. Every contestent knows in the end that they are fighting as themselves. If I were on the show (or put yourself in that place) you would be trying to convince others to fight the best fighters first. Everyone of those guys are looking to bring their families out of the poor economic conditions they live. I mean look at championship fighters even. They will fight as many bums as possible because if they have a rematch after they just win the titled their winnings will not be as good. It's all about the money. I would be like up yours - you don't tell me what is best for me.

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37. "RE: Representing ..."
Amen brother!
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38. "RE: Representing ..."
Yes, it seems as though Tarick is fighting next week, and if things go as were planned before, he will fight Juan. But we will see. As for this whole Anthony thing, geez I can't stand the guy. I agree with who said he's using his kids as an excuse, he went overboard with that.. many of the other boxers have kids, you don't see them runnin' their mouths about it 24/7. I just hope Shay fights him and knocks him out.
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This whole team business is kind of a joke. In the end it will be one man standing and west will fighting west and maybe east vs east.

If I am Anthony I don't care if one of the better fighters calls me out next round. In the end you are going to have beat the best to be the best. Going to have to win 3 more fights regardless. Eventually you will have to fight the better fighters...if you can get an easy first round match up that conserves some of your energy more power to you.

The whole point of winning the challenge is so you can set the fight you want. What is the point if all of the fights are prearranged.

Who cares if you backstab your "teammates" in the end there is no team it is last man standing...let the competition begin. Everyone can be buddy buddy now but eventually they are all going to fight each other and we will see how attitudes change.

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42. "Fighting"
>Do you think the producers of this show would tell everyone
>that the fights are predetermined unless they have to????
>They have probably been predetermined before and we just haven't
>been told.

Actually, we've known right along that the fights were predetermined by the teams. We've seen it from Week 2. In Week 4, there was a clip of Miguel rebelling and talking about wanting to fight Jeff Fraza. In confessional, Ishe says, "Boxing has been known to be about easy fights, mismatches, paper champions, and I didn't want this show to be that. You know, it's called The Contender, not The Pretender." Alfonso agrees, "I think the fairest thing to do is to have the most disadvantaged person in our group, which is Joey just from experience, fight the most disadvantaged person there, which is Fraza." In confessional, Alfonso says, "I feel like I owe it to Joey to let him fight Fraza, because I took that opportunity away from him on the first fight. Maybe he could've been already in the second round, y'know." Ishe says that it's 6 against 2 (Sergio and Miguel) in favor of preventing Miguel from fighting Jeff. Miguel launches into an expletive-laden statement saying that the team had no right to stop him from fighting Jeff if he wanted, and Ishe told him that, if he and Sergio didn't want to follow the plan, then they could contest the challenge on their own.

P.S. This is the only week when the East won the challenge, and Najai called out Sergio.

>As for this show being about teams - heck no. This show has nothing to
>do with teams.

No. But it does have a lot to do with living up to your word. Everyone on both teams now knows that Anthony does NOT live up to his word.

Apparently there are lots of people out here who think that people who are not as good as their words are somehow better than people who are, because that's the only explanation for this "Anthony-mania." Well, for all of you who enjoy lying and backstabing, get your fill of Anthony now, because in three weeks, he'll be gone. None of the boxers will miss him, either.

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43. "RE: Fighting"
Thank you. Like you, I'm just not getting this "Yay, Anthony" stuff. Like you said in another thread, this isn't "Survivor," where back-stabbing will get you a million bucks and 15 seconds of fame. Anthony still has to back it up with his fists. Even from a strategy point of view, this wasn't a smart move by Bonsante. Unless he's fortunate enough to draw Joey Gilbert in the second round, he is't getting anywhere near that one million bucks. He's a marked man.
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45. "RE: Fighting"
I dunno...Anthony seems pretty hungry to me, as the oldest fighter here he really needs to go as far as possible. The younger guys still have their best years ahead of them to make a name for themselves. Anthony is nearing the last leg of his career and if he exspects any sort of large purse it's now or never.

BTW - I don't care either way about his methods of getting his fights, it's a "show"...just like "real" boxing or any other sport, there to entertain the masses! If he wins great! If he gets pummeled, that's great too! Just don't bore me.

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50. "RE: Fighting"
>If he
>wins great! If he gets
>pummeled, that's great too! Just
>don't bore me.


Well said, with all the debate the last show has caused maybe they will get a ratings hike.

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