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01-11-11, 03:06 PM (EST)
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"What? No BCS thread?"
LAST EDITED ON 01-11-11 AT 07:37 PM (EST)

(If there is, I accept my lime helmet with grace, and promise to wear it grumpily.)

A good game, lots of action, few blown calls, thrills and chills, and the winning score was in the last seconds of play. Great game in my book.

Disclaimer: Although I live in Alabama, I am neither an Alabama nor an Auburn fan.

It's hard for me to understand why Newton was declared eligible, his dad did try and bargain a pay-for-play deal, and as I understand it, it is irrelevant whether or not Newton himself knew about it. And really, how could he not? So to me the NCAA decision to reverse itself and declare him eligible was pretty shady.

Regardless, though, after watching the BCS game it's very easy to see why boosters would be drooling over him, and be awfully tempted to bend the rules to recruit him. Vince Young's arm combined with Barry Sander's moves.

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: What? No BCS thread? cahaya 01-11-11 1
 RE: What? No BCS thread? vince3 01-11-11 2
   RE: What? No BCS thread? cahaya 01-11-11 3
       RE: What? No BCS thread? michel 01-11-11 5
           RE: What? No BCS thread? AyaK 01-13-11 8
               RE: What? No BCS thread? michel 01-13-11 9
               RE: What? No BCS thread? kingfish 01-14-11 10
                   RE: What? No BCS thread? Estee 01-14-11 11
                   RE: What? No BCS thread? HobbsofMI 01-14-11 12
 The flaw in the argument. Estee 01-11-11 4
   RE: The flaw in the argument. kingfish 01-11-11 6
       RE: The flaw in the argument. michel 01-11-11 7

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01-11-11, 03:16 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: What? No BCS thread?"
Hey, I watched it last night (although I admit because of MNF withdrawal symptoms!). It was a good game to watch, although scoreless in the first quarter, it got lively in the second quarter and ended up being close to the end with a final two seconds FG that went through the uprights. For a while there, it looked like it might go into OT.

And you can bet Newton was seriously aching after that game -- he took quite a beating, both behind and ahead of the line of scrimmage. QB's with a style like his won't last the season in the NFL.

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2. "RE: What? No BCS thread?"
The decision to let Newton play is about as shady to suspend the 5 Ohio State players for 5 games... but allow them to play in the Sugar Bowl. (and the one that wasn't a starter made the play of the game...)
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3. "RE: What? No BCS thread?"
And in spite of an agreement with Auburn and the NCAA for Cam's dad Cecil not to attend the game, he seems to have shown up after all, possibly jeopardizing Auburn's title.
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5. "RE: What? No BCS thread?"
How much did Auburn make for this Bowl appearance? Probably over 10 million dollars. Money made by exploiting the talents of these players, most of which will never play pro. The system is flawed. I'm not excusing Newton for breaking the rules but the rules are wrong and need serious revision.

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8. "RE: What? No BCS thread?"
LAST EDITED ON 01-13-11 AT 10:08 PM (EST)

I disagree. I'll let Gregg Easterbrook argue for my side>

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/110111_tuesday_morning_quarterback&sportCat=nfl

Should College Football Stars Be Paid?

Arguments that players such as Cam Newton are being exploited because they're not earning the several million dollars per year they would be worth as professionals -- the Wall Street Journal featured this argument -- take into account only star players. What about everyone else? Newton's play helps create the economic value that allows 84 teammates to be on full NCAA scholarships.

A couple of Newton's teammates will make the NFL, but only a couple. The rest are receiving no-cost college educations. They may or may not have the sense to go to class and take advantage of their situations. But even by a worst-case analysis of college football and men's basketball (the collegiate sports that make money), only a handful of players each year are "exploited."

Ninety-nine percent of Division I football and men's basketball players are beneficiaries of a system that generates about 20,000 no-cost college educations per year. Start paying the college stars, and everyone else will be shafted -- colleges cannot afford to pay a star player millions of dollars per year and also provide free tuition to the rest of the team. This 2009 TMQ column runs the numbers.

Arguments that college football and men's basketball players are being exploited always concern only the tiny proportion who are stars -- skipping that the vast majority of Division I football and men's basketball players are not being exploited. Mention the vast majority of college athletes who don't have any free-market value in sports, and claims of exploitation instantly collapse. Do what the critics want -- pay players such as Newton -- and you'd be handing huge amounts to the tiny fraction of athletes who are going to become rich anyway, while significantly harming all other college athletes by depriving them of scholarship money. Demanding pay for college stars is a winner-take-all proposition that is anti-egalitarian -- it would benefit the few at the expense of the many.

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01-13-11, 10:39 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: What? No BCS thread?"
LAST EDITED ON 01-13-11 AT 10:42 PM (EST)

I was not talking about paying the stars because, as the article points out, they will get their millions...probably. I was taking a much more "socialist" approach! As good a Newton is, football is a team sport and he couldn't do it alone. I was thinking of the linemen, fullbacks and special team players that are used to make up the line-up and run the risk of serious injuries. Some of those injuries will stay with them for the rest of their lives. I was talking of the superstars that will get seriously injured in their senior year and never get the million dollar contracts. There should be money for them.

The universities certainly can pay their coaches 5 million dollars and they are just one step away from the NFL also. Part of that could go towards healthcare and income insurance to those less fortunate players that will never profit from the billions in TV contracts. No-cost education is great but there are players on the team that aren't on scholarship. They still play a role on the team. Besides, early dementia due to concussions, wheelchairs for paraplegics and unemployement for those that neglected their education to learn the playbook aren't as great.


ETA: "free-market value" when talking about human beings make them sound like cattle.

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01-14-11, 00:03 AM (EST)
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10. "RE: What? No BCS thread?"
Does anyone have any insight as to why Newton was reinstated?

It was reported that he was reinstated because the NCAA couldn't prove he knew of the pay-for-play deal with Mississippi (State?)his dad tried to make.

But I can't remember any other instance in the past where whether or not the player was aware of the deal has had any bearing on whether or not he was penalized. Is there some technical language in the rule book that required that reinstatement? Usually the NCAA is pretty strict and no-nonsense about those things.

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01-14-11, 09:18 AM (EST)
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11. "RE: What? No BCS thread?"
Does anyone have any insight as to why Newton was reinstated?

The school makes more money with him on the field.

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12. "RE: What? No BCS thread?"
LAST EDITED ON 01-14-11 AT 11:59 AM (EST)

So if an athlete wants to get paid, his rep, family, cousin, etc. just have to not tell him about it and he'll keep playing.

Makes total sense to me.

So if Reggie Bush's family did not tell him what they were getting, even though he knew they could not afford what they were getting, he would have his Heisman and USC would not be on probation.

*shakes head* I bet in a year or two Cam/Auburn will be doing the same thing Reggie/USC did.

Thus why I don't care about the mythical national champion (BSC) anymore.


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4. "The flaw in the argument."
The existence of a caring compassionate deity paying close attention to human sporting events would mean the destruction of the BCS.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?id=6011095

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6. "RE: The flaw in the argument."
I saw that interview. My thoughts were along that lines of those of author of that article.

It seems that somehow God seems to always pick a winner. I might be persuaded to rethink my pagan ways if God wasn't so stingy with his inside info.

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7. "RE: The flaw in the argument."
Pssit: I hear he's a Pittsburgh Steelers fan.


http://blogs.courant.com/susan_campbell/2010/11/if-athletes-thank-god-when-the.html

http://www.buzzfeed.com/gavon/football-player-picks-fight-with-god-on-twitter

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