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Thought I would start a new thread since the old one was a little out of date.

So...new teams and signings going on. Thoughts?

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 BMC trigirl 01-13-10 1
   Giro D'Italia trigirl 05-28-10 3
 Developments AyaK 01-14-10 2
 RE: Cycling Colonel Zoidberg 05-29-10 4
   RE: Cycling AyaK 06-03-10 5
 Tour de Suisse trigirl 06-21-10 6
   RE: Tour de Suisse AyaK 06-21-10 9
       RE: Tour de Suisse trigirl 06-23-10 15
           RE: Tour de Suisse AyaK 06-23-10 16
 Escape to the Lake MS 150 June 12-1... emydi 06-21-10 7
   RE: Escape to the Lake MS 150 June ... byoffer 06-21-10 8
       RE: Escape to the Lake MS 150 June ... CTgirl 06-21-10 10
           RE: Escape to the Lake MS 150 June ... AyaK 06-21-10 11
               RE: Escape to the Lake MS 150 June ... michel 06-21-10 12
                   RE: Escape to the Lake MS 150 June ... emydi 06-22-10 13
                       RE: Escape to the Lake MS 150 June ... trigirl 06-23-10 14
                           RE: Escape to the Lake MS 150 June ... kingfish 07-07-10 21
 TDF Stage 3 trigirl 07-06-10 17
   RE: TDF Stage 3 michel 07-06-10 18
       RE: TDF Stage 3 aethelstan 07-07-10 19
           RE: TDF Stage 3 michel 07-07-10 20
               RE: TDF Stage 3 trigirl 07-07-10 22
                   RE: TDF Stage 3 AyaK 07-07-10 24
               RE: TDF Stage 3 AyaK 07-07-10 23
                   RE: TDF Stage 3 michel 07-07-10 25
                       RE: TDF Stage 3 aethelstan 07-08-10 26
                           RE: TDF Stage 3 michel 07-08-10 29
                               RE: TDF Stage 3 AyaK 07-08-10 31
                               RE: TDF Stage 3 aethelstan 07-09-10 32
                                   RE: TDF Stage 3 AyaK 07-09-10 35
                           RE: TDF Stage 3 AyaK 07-08-10 30
                               RE: TDF Stage 3 AyaK 07-09-10 37
 Kim Kirchen trigirl 07-08-10 27
   RE: Kim Kirchen AyaK 07-08-10 28
 Question for you pundits byoffer 07-09-10 33
   RE: Question for you pundits vince3 07-09-10 34
       RE: Question for you pundits AyaK 07-09-10 36
 RE: Cycling michel 07-11-10 38
   RE: Cycling kingfish 07-12-10 39
       RE: Cycling AyaK 07-12-10 42
           RE: Cycling kingfish 07-13-10 46
               RE: Cycling AyaK 07-13-10 48
   RE: Cycling aethelstan 07-12-10 40
       RE: Cycling AyaK 07-12-10 41
           RE: Cycling michel 07-12-10 43
               RE: Cycling aethelstan 07-13-10 44
                   RE: Cycling vince3 07-13-10 45
                       RE: Cycling aethelstan 07-13-10 47
                           RE: Cycling AyaK 07-13-10 49
               RE: Cycling AyaK 07-13-10 50
                   RE: Cycling trigirl 07-13-10 51
                       RE: Cycling AyaK 07-13-10 52
                   RE: Cycling michel 07-13-10 53
                       RE: Cycling aethelstan 07-14-10 54
                           RE: Cycling kingfish 07-14-10 55
                               RE: Cycling aethelstan 07-14-10 56
                                   RE: Cycling AyaK 07-14-10 57
                                       RE: Cycling trigirl 07-14-10 58
                                       RE: Cycling michel 07-14-10 59
                                           RE: Cycling AyaK 07-15-10 60
                                       RE: Cycling kingfish 07-15-10 61
                                           RE: Cycling michel 07-15-10 62
                                               RE: Cycling AyaK 07-15-10 63
                                                   RE: Cycling trigirl 07-16-10 64
                                                       RE: Cycling AyaK 07-16-10 66
                                               RE: Cycling kingfish 07-16-10 65
 TdF stage 12 AyaK 07-16-10 67
   RE: TdF stage 12 michel 07-16-10 68
       RE: TdF stage 12 AyaK 07-16-10 69
           RE: TdF stage 12 trigirl 07-16-10 70
           RE: TdF stage 12 michel 07-17-10 71
 Stage 15 - New Yellow Jersey... byoffer 07-19-10 72
   RE: Stage 15 - New Yellow Jersey... trigirl 07-19-10 73
   RE: Stage 15 - New Yellow Jersey...... michel 07-19-10 74
       RE: Stage 15 - New Yellow Jersey...... kingfish 07-19-10 75
           RE: Stage 15 - New Yellow Jersey...... michel 07-19-10 76
       RE: Stage 15 - New Yellow Jersey...... AyaK 07-20-10 83
   RE: Stage 15 - New Yellow Jersey... byoffer 07-20-10 77
       RE: Stage 15 - New Yellow Jersey... AyaK 07-20-10 78
           RE: Stage 15 - New Yellow Jersey... kingfish 07-20-10 80
               RE: Stage 15 - New Yellow Jersey... AyaK 07-20-10 81
       RE: Stage 15 - New Yellow Jersey... trigirl 07-20-10 79
           RE: Stage 15 - New Yellow Jersey... AyaK 07-20-10 82
 Cycle for 2 up the Tourmalet michel 07-22-10 84
 Tourmalet all but wins it for Conta... AyaK 07-22-10 85
   Best Team AyaK 07-22-10 86
       RE: Best Team michel 07-22-10 87
 Individual Time Trial trigirl 07-24-10 88
   RE: Individual Time Trial kingfish 07-25-10 89
   RE: Individual Time Trial byoffer 07-26-10 93
       Ryder coverage michel 07-26-10 94
           RE: Ryder coverage CTgirl 07-26-10 95
               RE: Ryder coverage michel 07-29-10 98
                   RE: Ryder coverage byoffer 07-30-10 99
                   RE: Ryder coverage CTgirl 07-30-10 101
       Canadian TdF trivia question AyaK 07-30-10 100
           RE: Canadian TdF trivia question PepeLePew13 07-30-10 102
               RE: Canadian TdF trivia question AyaK 08-02-10 103
 Paris CTgirl 07-25-10 90
   RE: Paris michel 07-25-10 91
       RE: Paris AyaK 07-29-10 97
           RE: Paris AyaK 08-06-10 106
   RE: Paris byoffer 07-26-10 92
       RE: Paris AyaK 07-29-10 96
 Doping trigirl 08-06-10 104
   RE: Doping AyaK 08-06-10 105
 Transfers trigirl 08-19-10 107
   RE: Transfers AyaK 08-21-10 108
 Vuelta trigirl 09-08-10 109
   RE: Vuelta AyaK 09-09-10 110
       Bike Wars trigirl 09-14-10 113
           RE: Bike Wars AyaK 10-01-10 119
 Magnifique! michel 09-11-10 111
   RE: Magnifique! trigirl 09-14-10 112
       RE: Magnifique! michel 09-14-10 114
 Alberto Contador: Busted vince3 09-30-10 115
   RE: Alberto Contador: Busted trigirl 09-30-10 116
       RE: Alberto Contador: Busted AyaK 09-30-10 118
           RE: Alberto Contador: Busted trigirl 10-01-10 121
               RE: Alberto Contador: Busted AyaK 10-04-10 123
                   RE: Alberto Contador: Busted trigirl 10-05-10 124
           RE: Alberto Contador: Busted byoffer 10-01-10 122
   RE: Alberto Contador: Busted Colonel Zoidberg 09-30-10 117
       RE: Alberto Contador: Busted AyaK 10-06-10 125
 RE: Cycling Starshine 10-01-10 120
 Contador to Retire? trigirl 10-13-10 126
   RE: Contador to Retire? AyaK 10-17-10 127
       Contaminted Meat....Sorry, Not Buyi... trigirl 11-22-10 128
 Updates AyaK 11-24-10 129
 Alberto Contador Cleared, Escapes D... HobbsofMI 02-15-11 130
   RE: Alberto Contador Cleared, Escap... AyaK 02-15-11 131
       RE: Alberto Contador Cleared, Escap... byoffer 02-16-11 132
           Spanish cycling AyaK 02-17-11 133

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trigirl 2844 desperate attention whore postings
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01-13-10, 01:51 PM (EST)
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1. "BMC"
Cadel Evans and George Hincapie. Kind of surprised to see those two together.
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3. "Giro D'Italia"
Just got back from a family vacay in Europe. Wow...cycling is so much of a big deal. The Giro was on tv with huge coverage every day. Loved it!

Was so sad....I was in Venice when they passed by but DH was sooooo not into going and watching a fly by. Am I the only girl who is more sports crazy than her husband?


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2. "Developments"
LAST EDITED ON 01-14-10 AT 07:40 AM (EST)

The big developments in cycling relate to the American and British teams, and that's weird by itself, because just four years ago, the total number of American and British teams combined was one (Discovery Channel). There are now four in the UCI ProTour (RadioShack, Garmin-Transitions, Columbia-HTC, Sky) out of the 17 teams on that tour, and two in the Pro Continental Tour (BMC, Barloworld) out of 21 teams with that status -- except I think Barloworld (which was mostly composed of South Africans) lost all of its primary talent in these expansions.

Under the deal between UCI and the Grand Tours, only ProTour or Pro Continental teams can be invited to the Grand Tours. It looks like 5 US/UK squads will be invited among the 20/21 teams invited to the TdF (the four ProTour teams and BMC), That's amazing to me, considering that the U.S. and U.K. have generally been cycling backwaters.

RadioShack, of course, is a powerhouse. It's Astana minus most of the Kazakhs and minus Contador, but 8 of Astana's 9 riders from last year's TdF are there. Saxo Bank, with the Schleck brothers and Cancellara, is still likely to be its main rival. Team Sky, with Bradley Wiggins and Chris Froome, has to be viewed as a serious contender, especially now that the riders aren't saddled with Jonathan Voighters' grudges any longer. Then again, they won't have Voighters' tactics any more, either, and he is probably the best after Bruyneel and Riis (Saxo).

Contador is stuck on Vino's dream Astana team, anchored by Kazakhs and Spaniards. I don't see that team having much success, so we'll get to see what Contador can do riding as a solo.

Let the season begin!

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4. "RE: Cycling"
Two thoughts:

Floyd Landis is a jerk.

Lance Armstrong is awesome who probably did not dope.

That is all.

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5. "RE: Cycling"
LAST EDITED ON 06-03-10 AT 06:37 PM (EST)

Yes, Floyd Landis is a jerk.

But I think Lance had to have doped once upon a time, and most cycling people think so too. The difference is, no one cares, because he didn't dope in his last championships and isn't doping now. As the head of UCI said, dredging up the past will produce nothing conclusive and nothing positive.

Lance was an exceptional rider from his early days. His misfortune was that he reached his prime in the golden age of doping.

I believe 100% of the peleton doped in 1998. In late 1998, when Lance returned, I believe he was using EPO, as was everyone else. You know, Lance's best performances were in 1999, and he was riding with far and away his weakest team then. How is that possible unless he was using EPO?

But there were rumors of an EPO test coming out at the end of 1999, and that's when Lance hooked up with Dr. Michele Ferrari. I believe Lance then used blood transfusions for the next three years to maintain his excellence. But note that Dr. Ferrari worked for Lance personally, not for USPS. I seriously doubt that Lance ever involved Floyd Landis or Tyler Hamilton in his preparation, although I do believe that he might have included George Hincapie.

At the end of 2002, Lance's relationship with Dr. Ferrari became publicly known, and Lance had to fire him.

After that, Lance simply was in a position where he couldn't dope, because the potential reputational damage (and loss of endorsements) was too great were he to be caught. By that point, though, Johan Bruyneel had developed a team around Lance that was exceptional, which permitted Lance to save his strength for the time trials, when he most needed it.

It was obvious at the end of his 7-title run that Lance was no longer the superman that he had been previously. But he had the best team, by far. The best example was that in 2002, Lance smoked the second-place rider by over 7 minutes. By contrast, in 2003, Lance won by 61 seconds, and the top six were all closer to Lance than the second-place rider had been the previous year.

And as far as doping goes, a former co-rider with Miguel Indurain claimed that Indurain used EPO during his entire 5-year winning streak at the Tour de France (1991-95). But no one cares about that, because no one in English-speaking countries even remembers Indurain.

Supposedly Greg LeMond thinks of himself as the last pre-EPO, pre-blood transfusion winner, which is partially why he targets Armstrong.

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6. "Tour de Suisse"
Frank Schleck has the TT of his life and takes 1st in the GC after stage 9. Glad to see him out of the shadow of his brother.

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9. "RE: Tour de Suisse"
It also raises real questions for Armstrong in the time trial, where he finished 11th and only beat Frank Schleck by 5 seconds, meaning that Armstrong finished second overall, 12 seconds behind. Had Armstrong ridden the time trial as well as his teammates Leipheimer or Kloeden, he would have won the GC. But he just doesn't have the speed any longer to do that, it appears.

On the other hand, with RadioShack's victory in the Dauphine Libere (Janez Brajkovic) and the top-10s of Armstrong, Leipheimer and Kloeden in the Tour de Suisse, there is no question that RadioShack is bringing the best team. We'll see how much difference that makes.

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15. "RE: Tour de Suisse"

>On the other hand, with RadioShack's
>victory in the Dauphine Libere
>(Janez Brajkovic) and the top-10s
>of Armstrong, Leipheimer and Kloeden
>in the Tour de Suisse,
>there is no question that
>RadioShack is bringing the best
>team. We'll see how
>much difference that makes.

You mean these bums...lol.

Lance Armstrong will lead a strong team consisting of Andreas Kloden (Ger), Levi Leipheimer (USA), Chris Horner (USA), Janez Brajkovic (Slo), Sergio Paulinho (Por), Yaroslav Popovych (Ukr), Gregory Rast (Swi) and Dmitriy Muravyev (Kaz).

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16. "RE: Tour de Suisse"
In fact, it's almost the same as the Astana team from last year's Tour -- the only two changes are Horner (replacing Alberto Contador, who stayed with Astana) and Brajkovic (replacing Haimar Zubeldia, who has a broken wrist).
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7. "Escape to the Lake MS 150 June 12-13, 2010"

I don't think she's a doper, she didn't quite finish in record time

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8. "RE: Escape to the Lake MS 150 June 12-13, 2010"
Yay for you doing that event again for MS!!


Doper, or dopey??

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10. "RE: Escape to the Lake MS 150 June 12-13, 2010"
Ditto on the Yay for Emy! It's a win-win situation for everyone!


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11. "RE: Escape to the Lake MS 150 June 12-13, 2010"
Nice going, emy. Congratulations.
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12. "RE: Escape to the Lake MS 150 June 12-13, 2010"
Nice job Emy!
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13. "RE: Escape to the Lake MS 150 June 12-13, 2010"
thanks all...it was so hot the first day and then it rained the 2nd! Even though it's tough, I always feel great at the end.


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14. "RE: Escape to the Lake MS 150 June 12-13, 2010"
That's it...we need to start our own cycling team. We will need some rocking jerseys! Good job!


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21. "RE: Escape to the Lake MS 150 June 12-13, 2010"
Belated thanks and congratulations Emy.



Tribal art.

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17. "TDF Stage 3"
I rode about 500 m of cobbles at Ironman Germany and I thought I was going to lose my marbles. I cannot believe the day today.

Ryder...woo hoo!!!!!!!!!

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18. "RE: TDF Stage 3"
They lost one fo the favorites when Frank Schleck went down and broke his clavicule.

I haven't ridden on those cobblestones but it looked as if they were inside a giant blender!

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19. "RE: TDF Stage 3"
It's a real shame about Frank Schleck. I was looking forward to seeing the Schlecks v. Armstrong and co. To me, this just makes Armstrong even more of a favourite.

Happy about Ryder though. A Canadian in the top 4 of the GC for the first time in about 20 years! Still can't believe the first Canadian to wear yellow was before the first American to do so. And that it wasn't Steve Bauer. Those crazy early stages!

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20. "RE: TDF Stage 3"
Armstrong? If he avoids accidents, no one will touch Contador.
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22. "RE: TDF Stage 3"
Armstrong and a really rough day yesterday too. Bad luck. But boy he works hard when he gets mad. Couldn't believe when he was jumping the gap.

Contador was pretty amazing yesterday. Plus... a little lucky too.


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24. "RE: TDF Stage 3"
The gap that he jumped wasn't nearly as big as it looked on TV -- in the end, Armstrong's group was only 17 seconds ahead of Popovych's (2:08 behind versus 2:25). But the flat tires were deadly to RadioShack. As Horner discusses, Kloeden, Leipheimer and Armstrong all flatted, which wiped out the team's strategy for the day and isolated the riders after the Frank Schleck crash.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/horner/2010/07/tour_de_france_stage_3_chris_h.html

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23. "RE: TDF Stage 3"
LAST EDITED ON 07-07-10 AT 08:33 PM (EST)

You may be right. But Contador has to prove it on the road first.

Personally, I think Contador was the one who taught Thomas Frei how to microdope when they were both with Astana in 2008....

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/frei-confesses-to-epo-usage-and-is-released-by-bmc

Although Floyd Landis had made it his personal mission to "get" Lance Armstrong, the doping rumors around Astana last year all circled around Contador, not the Americans, especially after Contador beat Cancellara in the final time trial.

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25. "RE: TDF Stage 3"

Didn't he prove it last year? Contador was already better than Armstrong in the mountain and he's managed to improve his time trials to the point where Armstrong can't hurt him anymore.

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26. "RE: TDF Stage 3"
I don't think last year works as a fair comparison. Since they were both riding for the same team and Armstrong was acting as Contador's lieutenant, it meant that it terms of race strategy, Armstrong had to burn himself out riding in front of Contador so that Contador could still be fresh when riding against Andy Schleck. If they had been riding for different teams last year, you might be able to say that.

Most of Armstrong's victories are a product of his having the best team around him. This meant that he didn't have to use up as much energy except when he really needed to. Last year, Contador had the best team around him, the year before Sastre did (a team with both Schlecks and Sastre? wow). This year, I'd have to say that Armstrong has the best team, especially with Frank Schleck out of the picture.

Ayak could also discuss more about about in race tactics and how Bruynell and Riis were the best of the bunch there last year.

All this said, I've never like dynasties so I'd rather a new winner than have Armstrong win yet again - not that I have anything against him, just that he's had his turn. Frank Schleck's injury just makes that less likely now.

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29. "RE: TDF Stage 3"
Do you really think that Lance acted as a lieutenant last year?!! He only became a lieutenant to save face when Contador left him in his dust in the mountains. Before that, Armstrong was trying his best to find a way to trip up his "team mate" without making it look obvious.

Just one example: The "bordure" in stage 3 that Armstrong used to go up in the ranks. A true lieutenant would have waited for his leader to help him bridge the gap with the top racers.

Ayak does have good knowledge of cycling but I read all the articles from this French journalist who has been following the race since the days of Merckx. I just may be OK on race tactics.

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I agree that Armstrong didn't act as Contador's lieutenant last year. However, he did act as Contador's teammate.

What we don't know is whether Armstrong still had the ability to take different approaches to the situations last year, such as stage 17. The story from Astana (and the Armstrong-worshipping media) was that Armstrong didn't try to catch up to the lead group (Contador-Kloeden-A. Schleck-F. Schleck), which he would have needed to try to do if he were still trying to win, because he didn't want to drag Bradley Wiggins (who was third at the time, nine seconds behind Armstrong) back up to Contador. Then again, maybe he couldn't have caught Contador and the Schlecks even if he'd wanted to.

But I'm still not willing to accept that Contador is the same rider this year that he was last year, when he did the phenomenal solo climb up Verbier. I haven't forgotten what Vayer said about that climb, especially with Thomas Frei's revelations about microdosing of EPO last year:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Contador#2009_Verbier_climb

This year. we know that Contador, three weks before the Tour, couldn't shake Janez Brajkovic of RadioShack on the climb of Alpe d'Huez in the 2010 Dauphine. In part, that was because Brajkovic had a teammate for most of the climb (Chris Horner) and Contador didn't. But the Contador who blew away the field on Verbier last year would have blown away Brajkovic, too, teammate or no teammate.

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32. "RE: TDF Stage 3"
A poor choice of words, perhaps. I was thinking of the same stage as Ayak where Armstrong seemed to deliberately pick Wiggins so that the latter would have had to go around Armstrong and bridge the gap to the 4 leaders solo if he wanted to do that.

I know it was a big question as to whether the rest of the team would work for Contador or Armstrong but the team director was Bruyneel, a friend of Armstrong's, and if he told Armstrong that he was not the primary rider this year, then I'm sure Armstrong would have listened.

There was also talk of Contador doing things selfishly too. It's hard to say. Seems to me there was a fair amount of in team intrigue going on. We'll see this year what happens but I'd be a little surprised if Contador won handily.

I also don't think Sastre's win was a fluke. He's been around the top his whole career with 3 top 5s and 6 top 10s. That's better than Riis and Pantani. Perreiro Sio's 2006 win was a fluke. That was poor peloton management by all concerned.

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35. "RE: TDF Stage 3"
Perreiro only won on paper. Landis won on the roads. What everyone failed to realize was that Landis would get caught doping, and so they shouldn't have been focused on trying to beat him, but instead on finishing second.

I think of Perreiro's win in the 2006 Tour the same way I think of Forward Pass' victory in the Kentucky Derby: no one saw it happen, and so it didn't happen.

As far as Sastre goes, I'm not arguing that he wasn't a good rider. In the 2007 Tour, he was beaten only by Contador and Leipheimer (who weren't invited in 2008) and Evans. I'm just saying that he wasn't the best rider in 2008, but Riis employed the best strategy.

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30. "RE: TDF Stage 3"
>Ayak could also discuss more about about in race tactics and
>how Bruynell and Riis were the best of the bunch
>there last year.

To me, the best example of Bjarne Riis' skill as a team director is Carlos Sastre's victory in the 2008 Tour de France. No way in he11 was Sastre the best rider that year; it was clearly Cadel Evans. But Riis outstrategized his rivals (which didn't include Bruyneel that year), and Sastre got a fluke win.

Note that Riis' strategy paid off in stage 3 of this year's TdF as well, in particular because (as noted elsewhere) all three of the top riders on RadioShack punctured on the cobblestones.

However, a lot of the best strategies never work. On yesterday's stage 4, RadioShack rode near the front of the peleton all day, obviously looking for a wind shear that would cause the peleton to break up into echelons, at which point they would have attacked the field. All of the other top contenders had to mark them in case it actually happened. It didn't.

Frankly, this year's Tour is designed to reward climbers and climbing teams. That's why Riis' loss of Frank Schleck from this Tour in particular is so costly. There are going to be a number of situations when riders will be isolated with no teammates around them. We'll just have to see how they shake out.

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37. "RE: TDF Stage 3"
A little more background discussion about this year's TdF, if anyone cares:

http://hotchilipepper.blogspot.com/2010/07/tour-de-france.html

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27. "Kim Kirchen"
I had no idea that he collapsed during the Tour de Suisse. What are they really saying AyaK?

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28. "RE: Kim Kirchen"
No one knows for certain what happened, but I'll repeat the discussions. I'm just happy that he's OK, especially with his wife giving birth to twins this week.

Kirchen, of course, was implicated years ago in the doping scandals that surrounded the old T-Mobile Team, but he was never suspended and continued to ride for HTC-Columbia (which took over T-Mobile) until this year. He then moved to the Russian team Katusha this year for more money.

During the spring, he suffered a collapse in training, but doctors couldn't find anything wrong. Then he suffered from saddle sores and received a course of antibiotics, which seemed to cause the infection to go away. Then, after the next-to-last stage of the Tour de Suisse, he collapsed in his hotel room. The team doctor had to revive him, and the hospital put him in a medically-induced coma for four days until they could stabilize him. Fortunately, when he came out of the coma, he hadn't suffered any brain damage from what has been diagnosed as a cardiac arrest.

Years ago, many riders died of cardiac arrest from taking EPO, but that was because they artifically boosted their hematocrit levels up to the 60% level and beyond. Ever since UCI adopted a 50% level as a standard, those problems have disappeared. Kirchen's problems more likely result from a so-called concealed defect, which could be associated with a hidden infection or a congenital defect. More than likely, his cycling career is over.

Interestingly, this seems to have ended one of the most legendary rivalries in Luxembourg cycling: the Schlecks versus the Kirchens, which goes back to Andy and Frank's father against Kim's uncle. Frank dedicated his victory in the Tour de Suisse to a still-comatose Kirchen, and Kirchen was the first person to visit Frank in the hospital after he was diagnosed with a broken collarbone (of course, it helped that Frank was in the same hospital where Kirchen's wife was giving birth).

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33. "Question for you pundits"
I seem to recall a bunch of years ago that there were time bonuses at the end of each stage in the Tour. That meant that even if the whole peleton finished in a mad dash and same time, the winner (or maybe top 5) would get a time bonus in the GC.

Am I dreaming or was this how things worked?

If this is correct, why did they do away with this? I thought it gave more variability in the results where a tour leader couldn't just sit on a challengers wheel to get same time, but actually had to compete for places in each stage.

Thoughts?

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34. "RE: Question for you pundits"
Why? Dunno, the true pundits can explain more than me...

However, they did have Time Bonuses, especially at the sprint points and the finish line, up until a couple of years ago... maybe even until last season's Tour when Lance returned... (which was also the return of the Team Time Trial after a few years' absence...

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36. "RE: Question for you pundits"
Yes, there were time bonuses that went along with the top three positions: 20 seconds for first, 12 seconds for second, 8 seconds for third. There were also time bonuses for the intermediate sprints of 6, 4 and 2 seconds for the top three. When Christian Prudhomme took over as Tour director after 2005, he criticized the time bonuses, and he eliminated them after 2007.

The team time trial is gone for only one reason: everyone was afraid that RadioShack would dominate it, the way that Astana dominated it last year. Until Leipheimer's broken wrist after stage 12, Astana had 4 of the top 6 riders (Contador, Armstrong, Leipheimer, Kloeden) because of the time trial. No other team can match RadioShack's top 5, even without Contador. By taking the TTT out, a lot more teams feel like they have a chance to steal a podium position. Do they? We'll have to see.

Prudhomme supposedly likes the TTT, so look for it to return after Armstrong's retirement.

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38. "RE: Cycling"
That was a very entertaining weekend. As soon as the race started, it ended for Armstrong.

What is interesting is that Contador still has work to do because Andy Schleck looked extremely strong. There's even a funny twist to all this: Contador isn't alone, he does have a solid group of lieutenants. It's Schleck who may be faced with the prospect of battling alone.

Cadell Evans has the yellow jersey but he was already on an elastic at the end of this stage. It didn't break this time but now they have a date with la Madeleine!


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Be interesting to see how Radioshack handles this. Will they still try and bring Armstrong back? He is captain and one of the team strategic planners, and he really wants to win. I think he has 11+ minutes to make up? Probably not possible, but not completely impossible given his climbing and TT abilities. His wounds seemed to be superficial, and not race limiting.

Or will they get behind Leiphammer? One would think that this would be the smart thing to do, but does Armstrong think he still has a chance?

We'll see tomorrow.

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It's not just the time that Armstrong lost, it's the time along with the caliber of riders ahead of Armstrong. Simply put, it can't be done. Lance knows it.
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I agree, even given that there is another (I believe?) cobblestone leg and more climbing legs, and given that it's still early in the tour and that anyone can fall. I just wonder if Armstrong will accept it. He may still want to hang out and be in position to take advantage of opportunities as they arise while protecting Levi and team standing.

Sounded as if one of the falls might have been his fault. He said he clipped another rider's pedal (I think it was the first fall).

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It was the second fall, at the roundabout.
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It's unfortunate that it had to end that way for Armstrong. He might not have been able to stay with the leaders regardless but it doesn't help when you have to expend a lot of energy getting back to the peloton.

I wonder if Armstrong will abandon. He's never finished a Tour off the podium (except '95). Will he lose motivation? Will it be better for his legacy to claim injury and withdraw than to admit that he can no longer keep up with the younger crowd (assuming he loses more time tomorrow)?

I was impressed by Navarro hanging around and doing a lot of work for Contador. While it still looks like Radioshack and Rabobank have the best teams (both have their top 5 riders in the top 41), 10 of the top 16 are the team leaders. Should make for an interesting next two weeks.


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Navarro rode for Astana last year in the Vuelta (getting to ride for himself after Chris Horner's injury during the Dutch stages) and finished 13th, just ahead of his teammates Zubeldia and Jesus Hernandez. He and Hernandez were the only riders on Astana that I thought Contador could depend on, because I can't see Vinokourov lasting the whole Tour. Note that the two of them stayed with Astana only because Astana offered them more money than RadioShack.

Armstrong looked like he wanted to quit when he was caught in the third crash. But instead, he asked for Brajkovic to help him in and for Horner to leave him and chase, so that RadioShack didn't lose too much time in the overall team standings. I have to believe that he realizes that the team awards are his one chance to podium this year (in fact, if Horner hadn't stayed behind for him, RadioShack would have taken over the team lead yesterday, and even with that, they're less than 3 minutes down). I think Armstrong will stay and ride for the team placing, which his team never won until last year.

I was thrilled to see Cadel Evans get the yellow jersey while riding for Jim Ochowitz, but I don't know whether BMC has a strong enough team to power him through. We'll see. And what about Denis Menchov hanging on? With Robert Gerirk, Rabobank has a strong twosome.

This is a horribly hard race. TWO crossings of the Tourmalet are coming up; one at the start of a stage and one at the end. The only thing we know for sure is that only about twenty people can still win, and Lance Armstrong isn't one of them.

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"The only thing we know for sure is that only about twenty people can still win, and Lance Armstrong isn't one of them."

I think we have our podium already. Unless one has an accident or gets caught for doping, Contador, Schleck and Evans will make up the podium, only the order being uncertain. Evans was suffering in that last stage so I see him third. To have a chance, Schleck will need at least 4 minutes on Contador before the last time trial. He still needs to find more than 3 minutes. Riding on the wheels of team Astana made that last stage a little easier. Now that he'll have to get rid of Contador and his team for more than a final sprint, it could be difficult but I'd like to see him do it.

Armstrong won't quit. If there's one thing we know is that Armstrong loves cycling, especially the Tour. I believe him when he says he wants to have fun until Paris and he'll probably serve as Leipheimer's luxury lieutenant.


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44. "RE: Cycling"
To have a chance, Schleck will need at least 4 minutes on Contador before the last time trial.

Heh. I almost wrote the same thing myself.

I can believe that Armstrong will stay for the team podium. It would offer him a way of giving back to his team a little of what his team gave to him by helping him all those years. Mind you, is Lance riding with anyone now that helped him win any of his Tours?

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Levi might be the only one, and even there I'm not entirely sure....
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I looked up my notes and as far as I can see Popovych is the only one and he only joined the Discovery team in time for Lance's last win.
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49. "RE: Cycling"
Correct. Armstrong had four former teammates from his winning streak in the race, but only Popovych is riding for his team RadioShack. The other three are Hincapie (BMC), Noval (Astana) and Vande Velde (Garmin, who crashed out).

Leipheimer never rode with Lance in the Tour until last year. After Leipheimer's breakthrough podium in the 2001 Vuelta (his first Grand Tour), he left USPS and rode for Rabobank and Gerolsteiner until returning to Discovery Channel in 2007, its last year.

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>I think we have our podium already. Unless one has an
>accident or gets caught for doping, Contador, Schleck and Evans
>will make up the podium, only the order being uncertain.

I don't think you want to make a bet on that third place position after today, do you?

For my money, Andy Schleck showed that he's the top mountain rider remaining, and it looks to be a battle between him and Contador for the overall title. But third place is wide open, and the only bet I'd be willing to place is on Schleck to podium. Anyone can bonk, the way Evans bonked today (he dropped from first to 18th). And I think the Pyrenees stages are set up for some extremely strategic tactics, especially the "Eddy Merckx memorial stage" 16, which recreates one of Merckx's great four-peak breakaways:

http://cyclingart.blogspot.com/2010/07/planet-merckx.html

...even more especially since the teams have a day off after it, and then have to slog back up Tourmalet in stage 17. No way will this race be over until after those stages.

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51. "RE: Cycling"
Many tweets post stage 9 that suggest Cadel has a broken arm and knew about it before the stage. Didn't want to show any weakness. I hope that's what happened and that it wasn't a bonk.

Do you remember when Landis bonked and then miraculously came back the next day?

I thought Andy Schleck looked magnificent today.

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Jim Ochowitz of BMC said that Evans had a fractured elbow, which he had broken during the stage 8 fall, at the evening press conferences. It's impossible to know how much that affected him.

It also reminds us once again just how much of a factor luck can be in a Grand Tour. I'm just not convinced that both Contador and Schleck have an unlimited supply of it this year, even though they've been lucky so far.

One of the consequences of "cleaning up" the drug problem at the Tour is that riders are much more likely to display the consequences of fatigue, which translates into more crashes. That's partially why (as a Schleck fan) I liked the fact that Andy Schleck looked dead after the finish of today's stage. <Edited to clarify: not because I want to see Schleck crash, but because I want to believe that he's not microdosing on EPO, as I suspect Contador was last year (but perhaps not this year).>

Yes, I remember Landis' recovery in 2006. I was in Kauai when it happened, and I still believed that Landis was clean before that, in large part because of his Mennonite background. But that convinced me he wasn't, even before he tested positive for testosterone. For someone who claims he's now telling the truth, it's obvious that he's still lying about what happened then.

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53. "RE: Cycling"
"I don't think you want to make a bet on that third place position after today, do you?"

No but I was mainly saying that we didn't have 20 contenders anymore. It was already "mano a mano" between Schleck and Contador and this stage proved it.

I really liked Astana's strategy: They sent Vinoukourov out front as a missile during the last climb. With only 3 minutes behind the yellow jersey, BMC couldn't let him go but they did. That told Contador that Evans was cooked so he attacked immediately. Schleck followed and, once the break was made, you saw the two agreeing: Let's work together, let's get rid of everybody else and then we'll settle it between the two of us in the next stages.

The problem for Andy is that he lost one chance to get some time on Contador. Next stage is made for a breakaway by the blue collars. The peloton wouldn't attack them.

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54. "RE: Cycling"
I like Saxo Bank's strategy yesterday. I've seen them use it (and some other teams) before. Get one of your guys (Jens Voigt) in the big breakaway and then when the peloton melts, have your guy in the breakaway (Voigt) slow down to conserve energy. Then, when your GC leader (Schleck) catches up to you, assist him as much as you can.
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OK, I just have to ask.

How does this help? Compared to just staying with the leader? If you have a guy in the break, wouldn't you want to keep him there as long as possible if there are others in the pack that can stay with the leader?

(Not trying to be argumentative, just my ignorance in regard to tactics).

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56. "RE: Cycling"
In short, when the peloton started climbing the big hills, no one could stay with Schleck and Contador. On the col de la Madeleine (a heinous 25 km climb with an average grade of 6.2%), with about 10-15km to climb, Schleck and Contador were all alone. The only ones left in front of them had been the ones that were part of an early escape. When this happened, Voigt basically waited for Schleck. At 5k to climb, they joined up and Voigt rode pace for Schleck until near the top. This helped keep Schleck a little fresher and helps in this stage and stages to come.

Had Voigt not been part of the escape, he, like everyone else in the peloton, would have dropped off earlier in the climb. Voigt isn't as strong a climber so in a group start at the bottom of the hill, he'd be left behind. But if he had a big head start, he can be useful.

That's the way I see it. Michel and Ayak would probably be able to explain it better than I could.

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57. "RE: Cycling"
I thought you explained it very well.

In a situation like this one, the rider in the break from the contending team doesn't do much work during the break, so that he can save his strength to later help his team leader if needed. If the peleton stays together, then he can try to win the stage (which is why George Hincapie was able to win stage 15 of the 2005 Tour, when Lance Armstrong didn't need him to come back to help after Ivan Basso didn't attack on the climb). But if the peleton shatters, then the rider comes back to help his team leader, as Voigt did.

As you may have seen, Voigt spent every bit of energy he had to drive Andy Schleck up the Col de Madeleine, and when he dropped away from Schleck and Contador, he was wobbling as much as a novice because he had nothing left.

And returning to Astana, the team has been catching very negative press in the cycling world for its rider Paolo Tiralongo's taunting of Cadel Evans on the Madeleine after he was dropped yesterday.

By the way, I loved Andy Schleck's quote about yesterday: "If I'd attacked one more time, I'd have dropped myself."

And today was a day for team strategy. By each getting a rider into the break on a day that most of the field wanted to rest, the Spanish team Caisse d'Epargne and RadioShack were able to open up over a 14-minute gap over the rest of the field (primarily Astana and Rabobank) for the Best Team award, while remaining within half a minute of each other.

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58. "RE: Cycling"
By the way, I loved Andy Schleck's quote about yesterday: "If I'd attacked one more time, I'd have dropped myself."

Love it! I too, loved seing Andy sitting on the side of the road after the finish completely depleted.

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59. "RE: Cycling"
The Best Team award is just a little better than getting a kiss from your grandma.

(I know, it's candy for the sponsors and there's no tour without sponsors but no one starts off with a plan to win a consolation prize. Winning the stage brings more prestige.)

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60. "RE: Cycling"
It certainly pays more than a kiss from Grandma.

No question that it's a consolation prize, but you take what you can get. Plus, Best Team will provide a nice picture for RadioShack: Armstrong's farewell on the final podium with the Arc de Triomphe in the background, especially if RadioShack can combine it with a podium for Leipheimer.

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61. "RE: Cycling"
LAST EDITED ON 07-15-10 AT 05:04 PM (EST)

Mark Renshaw kicked out ot the 2010 TdF for head butting Julian Dean as they headed down down the homestretch of Stage 11.

He also tried to block Tyler Farrar into the wall.

Ok, now those are tactics I understand!

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62. "RE: Cycling"
First the world cup and now the Tour de France??? I didn't know Hockey was so popular in South Africa and France.
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63. "RE: Cycling"
We've had head-butting in the TdF before, as recently as 2005. It's permitted in track racing, and it seems to be creeping in to mass sprints. But you don't get DQed just for that.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/sport/mcewen-denies-dirty-tactics-in-tour-clash/2005/07/05/1120329415989.html

The disqualification to Renshaw was actually for the block on Farrar, because Mark Cavendish was found guilty by the TdF jury for doing the same thing to Thor Hushovd last year. The race jury is "sending a message" to HTC-Columbia:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-1200562/TOUR-DE-FRANCE-Mark-Cavendish-disqualified-stage-14-Tour-France-barging-rival-Thor-Hushovd-barriers.html
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64. "RE: Cycling"
I wondered if it had anything to do with George Hincapie being shut out of yellow by Garmin last year. Wasn't it this stage last year.

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66. "RE: Cycling"
No connection to Hincapie, even though he was riding with HTC-Columbia last year. That whole "5-second" fiasco was more a personal matter between USPS alumni Hincapie, Armstrong and Johann Bruyneel on one side and Garmin director (and former USPS rider) Jonathan Vaughters on the other.

The controversy over it didn't do Vaughters any good in the US cycling community, where Hincapie is incredibly well-liked and where both RadioShack and the new team BMC (to which Hincapie moved) were able to capitalize on it to "dis" Garmin among potential sponsors. Vaughters now tries to pretend that he did it because he didn't want to see the "other" U.S. team get the yellow jersey, but everyone else saw it as totally personal.

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65. "RE: Cycling"

Or Nascar.
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67. "TdF stage 12"
...taught us only that Contador still has a fast acceleration, because the 3K climb at the end of the stage gave him the chance to gain 10-20 seconds on the other contenders, including Andy Schleck. And it gave the RadioShack threesome of Leipheimer, Kloeden and Horner the chance to take over the team lead.

Interestingly, everyone knew that RadioShack and Astana would try to have a climber in the break in caser the field didn't catch up, because the sprinters didn't have a chance today. It was funny that those two turned out to be ex-teammates Kloeden and Vinokourov, because Kloeden was forced to withdraw from the 2007 Tour while in 5th place due to Vino's doping scandal in the "olden days" of Astana.

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68. "RE: TdF stage 12"
LAST EDITED ON 07-16-10 AT 09:55 PM (EST)

There were key points in this very interesting stage:

- Andy showed his limits for the first time but only lost 10 seconds. Note that Andy wasn't too worried about it in his post stage interview.

- Contador may have lost the support of his team mate Vinokourov. He stole that stage win from Vinokourov in order to create a difference of only 10 seconds. Contador should have let Rodriguez do the work to make up the gap from Vino, not lead the charge. Vinokourov showed his disappointment when he crossed the line, hitting his handlebars with his fist. Astana's team dinner could be very interesting.

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69. "RE: TdF stage 12"
I absolutely agree. It shows Contador learned nothing from last year. He cost Vino a stage victory, and Contador didn't even win it, because he towed Joaquin Rodriguez right up to the front and let him win. He didn't even think about Vino when he zoomed past him.

Supposedly there are only three reasons to attack on the final climb: to put serious time into a rival, to win the stage, or to win a jersey. Contador failed to succeed in any of those three objectives.

By the way, for those of you who think I'm making too much out of the battle for Best Team, read Chris Horner's article from today and see how focused RadioShack is on it:

http://blog.oregonlive.com/horner/2010/07/tour_de_france_stage_12_chris.html

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70. "RE: TdF stage 12"
It shows Contador learned nothing from last year/

I was really surpised today. He can't blame they Bruuneel\Lance Armstrong conspiracy this time. Vino might not take this so lightly. What a waste!

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71. "RE: TdF stage 12"
The interviews I've seen explain it like it was all plannned, that Astana played it that way because Contador felt really well and he noticed Schleck did not. Vino says he wasn't upset at all. It all sounds like spin, like giving us the company line.

What I think happened is that Contador was simply testing Schleck. He attacked to see how Schleck would respond and was surprised when he didn't. You see Contador stop his effort the moment he reached one of the cyclist that had been ahead. But, with Schleck staying behind, he decided to attack once more. At that moment, there was enough of the climb left that Contador could think of taking up much more than 10 seconds. I think his lead reached 22 seconds but then Schleck responded and brought the difference down to 10 seconds just about the time Contador had reached Vino. We'll see in the pyrénées if Vino will work as hard for Contador. He's certainly using a lot of energy trying to win today's stage.

As for Horner's interview, what else would he say? That's also spin to please the sponsor now that nothing else can be won. I'm not sure of his ambitions or his possibilities but Radioshack will need a new leader next year and promotions often go to the guy saying things that the boss wants to hear.

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72. "Stage 15 - New Yellow Jersey..."
...and apparently the old one is being used to wipe up chain grease.

I didn't see today's stage, but read that Andy Schleck attacked and dropped his chain. He lost 39 seconds to Contador and possession of the yellow jersey.

I know there is an unwritten rule about attacking when a rival crashes or has mechanical difficulties. Is that what Contador did today?

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73. "RE: Stage 15 - New Yellow Jersey..."
If it were someone other than Contador I might give them the benefit of the doubt. He can say that he had to stay with Sanchez and Mechov, but they were behind him...he was attacking but he saw what happened.

I hope Andy smokes him tomorrow.

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74. "RE: Stage 15 - New Yellow Jersey...Booed"
The spectators could answer your question: When presented with the yellow Jersey on stage, Contador was loudly booed.

Unfortunately, the coverage ended before Andy was presented with the white jersey but I'm guessing he must have received strong applause.

That being said, I saw the stage and Schleck was attacking when his chain derailed. It was his fault, probably changing brackets at the wrong time so it's not like a crash or a blown tire at all. Even then, you saw Contador looking back, not taking the first few relays from Menchov and Sanchez. His race director must have told him it was OK because then he started taking strong relays. Too bad for Andy (who looked really strong) and us because it could have been the best battle of the war.

Let's not forget the very nice win by Voeckler, the French champion who had often been in difficulty, almost quitting in an earlier stage.

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75. "RE: Stage 15 - New Yellow Jersey...Booed"
Nice job by Voeckler!

I can't disapprove of the move by Contador. I can't really see giving a gift in the name of "sportmanship" with all the immediate and future money involved. I advocate taking advantage of every break that comes your way. Contadore is also racing everyone else including Sanchez just two minutes back.

Does whether Shleck was attacking, or whether he mis-shifted matter? If so I really can't blame Contadore for not wanting to wait and figure all that out.

Contador looks to be to tough to beat, but one can never tell, a wreck could bring others up to him. The next stage is a monster.

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76. "RE: Stage 15 - New Yellow Jersey...Booed"
The next stage may be a monster but the finish line is too far away from the last climb. I think the next finish line is 60Km after the Col d'Aubisque. An organized group of a dozen or so would have time to catch a front runner.

I know this finish line was 20 Km after de Port de Balès and that Contador kept his lead but, in this descent, Contador had Menchov and Sanchez working with him. Sanchez is one of the best downhillers. Schleck isn't that good downhill and he was doing the work alone, the two in his group were content to follow, especially Vino of course. Andy lost additional time because he was 27 seconds behind at the top.

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83. "RE: Stage 15 - New Yellow Jersey...Booed"
>Unfortunately, the coverage ended before Andy was presented with the white
>jersey but I'm guessing he must have received strong applause.

Live U.S. coverage showed the white jersey presentation, and your guess was correct.

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77. "RE: Stage 15 - New Yellow Jersey..."
More analysis of the incident

Although no decisive comments, it certainly seems to end on Contador's side saying Schleck should have done better.

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78. "RE: Stage 15 - New Yellow Jersey..."
Here's a counter opinion from a former rider who now works for Team Sky:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/tour-de-france/alberto-contador-dishonoured-the-yellow-jersey/story-fn5wdeal-1225894579933

The truth is that neither version is entirely true. Contador clearly knew what was happening and decided to attack. That leads to an unflattering comparison with the battles between Armstrong and Ulrich, when each waited for the other through their mishaps in 2001 (Ulrich over the side) and 2003 (Armstrong pulled down by bag). Contador's comments that others were attacking is clearly false, since you can see Vino sit up when Schleck's chain falls off, and neither Sanchez nor Menchov moved until they saw Contador take off. And Contador's claim that he didn't know what had happened is such a preposterous lie that he deserved to be booed.

But, if Schleck wants to win, he needs to beat Contador up the Col de Tourmalet on Thursday, and he needed to do that even before this incident. This just shows that Contador isn't confident that he can beat Schleck. Really, if he hadn't accompanied his attack with the lies about it, I'd give him a complete pass on this incident, because there isn't any reason other than tradition that he shouldn't attack someone with mechanical troubles to get the yellow jersey, the same way Saxo Bank did on the cobbles of stage 3 to get the yellow jersey for Cancellara from Chavanel (who needed three bikes to get in).

Today's stage was fun for the long break, but the best sprinter among the breakaway group won at the end -- no surprise. Tomorrow is a rest day. Thursday will be D-day for Schleck.

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80. "RE: Stage 15 - New Yellow Jersey..."
In spite of the predictions (commentators) that Shleck needed a minute or more on Contador after the next stage, neither have backed down or been slow to respond. I think Contador should be worried about Shleck. 8 seconds back.

Stage 17 will be a heck of a race. And a mankiller.

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81. "RE: Stage 15 - New Yellow Jersey..."
The issue is stage 19, the long time trial. Schleck supposedly has improved his time trialing and Contador apparently isn't as good as he was last year (without the EPO microdoses?), but in last year's final time trial (stage 18, 40.5 km), Contador (who finished 1st) beat Schleck (who finished 21st) by 1:44. In this year's first time trial (prologue, 8.9 km), Contador (who finished 6th) beat Schleck (who finished 122nd) by 42 seconds.

This is a 52 km time trial, and Contador has to be favored to beat Schleck again.

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79. "RE: Stage 15 - New Yellow Jersey..."
From Twitter:

Andy Schleck: Nasty hard day in TDF #albertocontador apologized 2 me today really big from him! We re good again! End of story!

Ryder Hesjedal: If you draw your sword then drop it, you die.

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82. "RE: Stage 15 - New Yellow Jersey..."
Tweet, tweet.
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84. "Cycle for 2 up the Tourmalet"
It seems that they could have given Schleck and Contador a bike for two and the result would have been almost the same!

Since the Tour appears to be neatly folded and tucked in Contador's pocket, I want to point out the good result of Ryder Hesjedal, the Canadian who is now in 8th place.

8 seconds isn't a lot. Does Andy have a major surprise left?

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85. "Tourmalet all but wins it for Contador"
Although Andy Schleck won Stage 17 of the Tour, racing up the Col du Tourmalet, he dropped 170 other riders but couldn't drop Alberto Contador. As a result, Contador is all but certain to win his third Tour on Sunday in Paris.

In the battle for third, Sammy Sanchez increased his margin slightly to hold a 21-second lead on Denis Menchov, but Menchov should gain at least that much in the time trial and pass him. We'll see.

Jurgen van den Broeck from Lotto still holds fifth. Interestingly, he used to ride for USPS -- before Bruyneel let him leave after Bruyneel found another similar rider that he was more enthusiastic about: Janez Brajkovic, who has been relegated to being a support rider in his first Tour despite his victory in the Dauphine. That's why I expect that Team RadioShack will go into 2011 giving Brajkovic the role of team leader.

It's still possible that RadioShack could get invited (late) to the Vuelta and field a team to support Brajkovic there, so that Bruyneel could get a chance to see what Jani can do. The rumored "bombshell" that Floyd Landis and the Wall Street Journal/ESPN were going to drop on Lance Armstrong turned out to be Tailwind Sports' auctioning of USPS Trek bikes online, which may have been a violation of the agreement between USPS and Tailwind Sports, the actual owner of the cycling team, under federal procurement law, but doesn't implicate doping. (Landis' silly claim that this was done to pay for the team's doping program is so full of holes that only dedicated Armstrong haters give it any credence.) There's a reason that Bruyneel has stayed quiet about the Vuelta snub during the Tour, and it doesn't seem to result from any newfound reticence.

RadioShack all but locked up the Tour's Best Team award today, but that's the only way that anyone from The Shack will see the podium in this race. It's interesting that the team's only top 10 rider as of today is 38-year-old Chris Horner in 10th, because the team clearly didn't intend to only win one stage and place 4 35+-year-old riders in the top 25 -- it wanted to contend for yellow, and it didn't.

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86. "Best Team"
You know, I shouldn't mock Best Team so much. Look at the last several winners of Best Team at the TdF:

2003: CSC (manager: Bjarne Riis)
2004: T-Mobile (manager: Walter Grodefoot)
2005: T-Mobile (Grodefoot)
2006: T-Mobile (Grodefoot retired, but team was intact)
2007: Discovery Channel (manager: Johann Bruyneel)
2008: CSC Saxo Bank (Riis) (Bruyneel not in race)
2009: Astana (Bruyneel)
2010: RadioShack (Bruyneel)

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87. "RE: Best Team"
I thought I was the one mocking it!
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88. "Individual Time Trial"
Well....

Andy did a little better than expected. Just not quite good enough. The irony however...to lose by 39 seconds which is the amount of time he lost with the 'chain mishap'.

Way to go Ryder!!!!! Hope the Canadian press give you your due.


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89. "RE: Individual Time Trial"
It's all over now but the shouting.

Although Contodor will be unshakable on the wheel of Shleck, a mis-shift could still give Andy a chance to break from him. 40 seconds is not possible even so, I guess.

And it seems that it is Andy who needs to practice shifting.

Congrats to Contador, he is the champ. Hopefully the un-doped champ.

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93. "RE: Individual Time Trial"
Way to go Ryder!!!!! Hope the Canadian press give you your due.

I certainly echo this sentiment. For a guy who arrived at the Tour to support another rider, he certainly took advantage of his opportunity. There was a small article about Ryder in the Toronto Star today (under a larger article about the Tour). I fear this will be all the press he will get in the main stream media, but this in no way diminishes the magnitude of his accomplishment.

Could he get top seat on a team for next year??

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94. "Ryder coverage"
Well cycling gets a little more coverage in Québec mostly because of the 2 pro tour races coming up and the previous women champs we had so we had constant articles on Ryder in "la Presse".

Québec city and Montréal are hosting some of the teams and many of these cyclists in less than a month.

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95. "RE: Ryder coverage"
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That is very cool to have such a big race so close to you. Are you going to watch any of it in person?


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98. "RE: Ryder coverage"
If the weather is nice, I'll find a spot on the Mt-Royal climb.
(But I guarantee you that you will not see me running like a fool next to the cyclists!!!)
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99. "RE: Ryder coverage"
You won't run along, but you will wear a lime-green Borat thong, right?

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101. "RE: Ryder coverage"
Fun! Take pictures! I wish the race were over Labor Day weekend so I could see it too (oops wrong thread! ).

And thanks By, for the visual of something that I would rather never ever think about again!

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100. "Canadian TdF trivia question"
Four Americans have worn the yellow jersey at the TdF: Greg LeMond, Lance Armstrong, Dave Zabriskie and George Hincapie. Two Canadians have also worn it, and both rode for the US team Team 7-Eleven. Who were they?
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102. "RE: Canadian TdF trivia question"
One's easy, the other is a hard one for me. Highlight below for my first answer and some guesses for the second one:

Steve Bauer is one that I definitely know wore the yellow jersey. The other one, hmmm... best prospects I'd say would be Gord Singleton, Alex Steida or Jocelyn Lovell (before his accident that left him a quadriplegic).

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103. "RE: Canadian TdF trivia question"
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Bauer and Steida are the right answers. Bauer held it for 9 stages in 1990; Bob Roll (who was one of the support riders on that team) used to wear the yellow watch that the team had been given to commemorate the event. Steida held it for one stage in 1986 (and not even for a full day, just from morning to afternoon), losing it in one of the worst team time trials ever run; Roll was also one of his teammates (Davis Phinney and Ron Kiefel also rode on both teams).

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90. "Paris"
Ok, enough about Schleck and Contador - I have loved watching Mark Cavendish win two of the last few stages this week! What a sprinter. He is a max missile!

I hadn't been able to watch the early stages of the TdeF since I was away from home with no cable or internet, but became a 9th inning fan this year.

I'm okay with Contador winning mostly because Andy admitted today that he made a mistake shifting (and then hit a hole) that caused his chain to drop. Also, Andy clearly is good friends with Contador, so if he's okay with it, then so am I.

It was nice seeing Lance on the podium with Team Radio Shack one more time with the Arc de Triomphe in the background (as someone said up thread). I did get a chuckle listening to the guys on Versus fondly making fun of Lance and his ploy to steal attention today with the special black cancer survivor jerseys!

I'm looking forward to the rivalry between Schleck and Contador in coming races and years and hope that Cavendish can win the green jersey too.



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91. "RE: Paris"
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With the peloton going at 65 Km/hr, it is amazing that the guy can still have a kick, accelerate and leave everyone in his dust!

With the huge steps Schleck took this year I think we'll see him win soon.

Radioshack was planning to wear the jerseys for the whole leg but race officials said they had to wear their official jerseys. It was nice to see Lance one last time.

ETA: Contador said he was contemplating doing the Vuelta and the Giro next season, meaning he would miss the TdF. Was he serious or was he trying to negotiate something?

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97. "RE: Paris"
The rumor is that the Schleck brothers will leave Saxo Bank (which is having to find a new sponsor, Sungard, for next year) and join a new Luxembourg-based team ... and that Contador will join Saxo Bank Sungard to replace them. Contador has announced unequivocally that he's leaving Astana at the end of this year. The three other Spanish riders on Astana who rode for Bruyneel's version of the team -- Benjamin Noval, Daniel Navarro and Jesus Hernandez -- are also expected to move to Sungard.

However, I think Contador's comments about riding the Giro and the Vuelta are just so much bluster. Contador's main sponsor is Specialized, and they'd rather have him riding in the TdF, even if he could win both of the other Grand Tours. Simply put, the TdF is THE RACE for publicity; miss it, and you've missed it all.

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106. "RE: Paris"
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These rumors have been confirmed. Contador, Noval and Navarro are now on Saxo Bank-Sungard, and Contador has said that he wants Hernandez to come as well.

Riis said that Contador would really like to try to win all three Grand Tours in one year.

I'm sure he'd also like to fly like Superman, but that's just about as likely.

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92. "RE: Paris"
hope that Cavendish can win the green jersey too

How did he not win the jersey this year? I looked through the standings, and it seems that he was not doing well in the first few legs of the Tour. He was behind Hushovd and Petacchi by 65 and 55 points respectively after only 4 stages. He certainly came back to almost catch Petacchi for the Green. Am I right in remembering that he was disqualified from an early sprint, which bumped him way down in the standings for that stage?

He is only 25, so one would think he has some years ahead when he can compete for the Green again.

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96. "RE: Paris"
Cavendish was disqualified from a sprint last year.

This year, he fell during the stage 1 sprint, won by Petacchi, which is what cost him the overall green. He didn't score any real sprinting points until he broke through with wins in stages 5 and 6, so he had a lot of ground to make up.

Frankly, I was happy to see Petacchi finally stick around for the whole race and win the green. But Cavendish proved that, even without Mark Renshaw, the Manx Missile is unstoppable in a sprint finish. I guarantee that he'll win the green soon.

The whole bit with RadioShack's black Livestrong jerseys was a deliberate effort on Bruyneel's part to embarrass ASO over the snub of RadioShack from the Vuelta. Bruyneel could have pre-cleared the jerseys, and he'd have had UCI on his side, but it seems that he deliberately chose not to because he wanted to stick it to ASO the same way ASO stuck it to RadioShack over Bruyneel's support of the now-defunct Tour of Missouri over the Vuelta last year at Astana (this, not RadioShack's non-participation in the Giro this year, was the real issue behind the snub -- everyone in cycling wants to pay back grudges in spades). Bruyneel doesn't have to worry about such snubs from ASO after this year, because the agreement between UCI and ASO ensures that RadioShack will be automatically invited to all Grand Tour races in the future.

But Bruyneel blundered strategically by insulting UCI race officials in his tweet -- I presume he thought they were ASO people, but they weren't -- and he'll get fined as a result when the kabuki show is over. Nevertheless, Bruyneel succeeded in upstaging ASO and putting ASO on the defensive, as was his intent. Don't expect that UCI is particularly bothered by that, since UCI and ASO also have a rocky relationship.

Meanwhile, the "federal investigation" into Lance Armstrong's doping is another sideshow; the interesting part is that the five-year statute of limitations would prevent any indictment for offenses that may have occurred during the USPS sponsorship, so most of the "expert analysis" regarding "crimes" is BS. The government's only real hope of an indictment is for false testimony, which appears to be the motivation behind the secret hearings and the broad net of subpoenas, because clearly Greg LeMond knows nothing about Lance Armstrong's team's doping practices, if any (though he does know how Trek dumped his bikes to jump on the Lance bandwagon).

Finally, RadioShack is going to debut Taylor Phinney, the much-heralded rising superstar of U.S. cycling, in other European races during the time of the Vuelta, along with New Zealand rising star Jesse Sergent. Again, this is a deliberate attack on ASO over the Vuelta snub -- but it's also of huge interest to cycling fans. Phinney has been the great new hope of US cycling fans for years, and he's only 20. His dad Davis (who is seriously ill with Parkinson's, like Michael J. Fox) may have been the best American road sprinter ever, and his mom Connie Carpenter was an Olympic road cycling gold medalist (outdoing Davis, who only won an Olympic bronze) and is the sister of Lance's longtime coach. Sergent, meanwhile, won the time trial in the Tour of the Gila, edging such established American time-trial stars as Dave Zabriskie, Levi Leipheimer and Tom Danielson.

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104. "Doping"
Am I being naive, or was this the least doped TDF? I don't recall hearing a single case and there are usually at least one a year.


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105. "RE: Doping"
One rider was kicked out before the race started, but there wasn't a single doping case all race.
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107. "Transfers"
I thought they had to wait until September 1st to start the whole transfer business. Isn't it a little weird that they haven't even race in the Vuelta and they are already planning for next season?

Other than the Saxo shift, which ones surprise you. I have read that Geox will have Sastre, Menchov and Cunego. Could be interesting.

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108. "RE: Transfers"
Yes, transfers officially can't be done until after the Vuelta. But that doesn't mean that you can't negotiate prior to then. The Vuelta is so low in status among the Grand Tours that no one except the Spanish key on winning it; for everyone else, there isn't much between the TdF and the World Championships.

Rabobank had made it clear that they were going to make Robert Gesink their star of the future so that they could have a Dutch leader, despite Menchov's three Grand Tour titles. I'm very surprised that Menchov went to Geox, though -- I had figured that it was certain he'd join Astana to replace Contador. He has to be the leader of Geox, even with Sastre there, but that's going to be a fascinating team. Meanwhile, Astana is going to be a ghost team.

Part of Team RadioShack's unpopularity in Europe is that the team is doing everything possible to support US cycling. It ticked off the Vuelta last year by opting to send its top riders to the Tour of Missouri instead of to the Vuelta, and the Vuelta got revenge this year by taking advantage of a one-year-only loophole to not invite RadioShack. Right now, Levi Leipheimer and Taylor Phinney are riding in the Tour of Utah -- Phinney has won two stages, Leipheimer one, and Leipheimer has the overall lead, following Phinney and Alex Dowsett, also of Trek-LIVESTRONG. Last week, Leipheimer followed in Armstrong's footsteps by winning the Leadville mountain bike race, and he said he wouldn't have enough left after riding for 6 hours to 11,000 feet to come back in a race like the Tour of Utah with no team support, but so far he's disproving that.

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109. "Vuelta"
Barne Riijs must be pissed about Team Luxo to send Andy Schleck and Stuart O'Grady home.
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110. "RE: Vuelta"
I agree. The rumor is that he's really ticked off about Danish potential future superstar Jakob Fuglsang leaving his Danish team to join Team Trek-Luxo, and he wanted to hinder Andy and Stuey's recruiting of their new teammates.

Of course, the biggest shocker was the announcement that Garmin and Cervelo are merging into the new Team Garmin-Cervelo. That's a huge triumph for Toronto-based Cervelo, because they got Garmin to take over the Cervelo women's team as well (which Cervelo had picked up from HTC-Columbia), and they replace Irvine, CA-based Felt as the bike supplier for the team. All told, Garmin-Cervelo will now be huge, with 30 men's riders (the maximum), about 15-20 women's riders, and up to 100 support personnel. It will be interesting to see if Slipstream Sports (i.e., Jonathan Vaughters) can manage such a huge operation.

The next biggest news was that Trek was behind Team Luxo. This has led to lots of questions about the future of Team RadioShack, especially after RadioShack opted not to extend its sponsorship at this time past 2011. Right now, there are four top-level US teams for 2011 (three ProTour members -- Garmin-Cervelo, HTC-Columbia, and RadioShack -- and BMC, which has declared that it will seek full Pro Tour membership for 2011), as well as at least two European teams with principal US sponsorship (SunGard-Saxo Bank, with bikes from Silicon Valley-based Specialized, and Luxo, with bikes from Waterloo, WI-based Trek). Can the US support so many teams? To whom will Johann Bruyneel turn if RadioShack doesn't continue as sponsor?

That's a main reason behind Taylor Phinney's deliberation about signing with RadioShack for next year. Note that his fellow Trek-Livestrong rider Jesse Sergent already signed a one-year deal with RadioShack. It may be that Trek itself is pushing Phinney toward the Luxo team, though that's just speculation.

What isn't speculation is the heating up of the rivalry between Specialized and Trek. When Trek moved from Astana to RadioShack for 2010, Specialized swooped in and took over as bike sponsor for Astana solely to pick up Alberto Contador, and it's rumored that Specialized is also behind Contador's move to SunGard-Saxo Bank. Meanwhile, the Schlecks, who have been Specialized riders throughout their careers, are moving to a new team that proves not to be national but rather driven by Trek, which has thus swooped up future Tour winner Andy Schleck.

Where does that leave RadioShack, which only had one "young" rider in this year's Tour, in Trek's eyes? Perhaps entirely dependent upon next year's performances.

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113. "Bike Wars"
I agree that it will be interesting. I have always felt that Trek has put all their eggs in one basket (i.e. Lance). Specialized and Cervelo are the big players in the Triathlon world....and ultimately doesn't sponsorship of teams have to translate into mass marketing?



I used to cheer for CSC because they rode 'Canadian'...then I cheered for Garmin because they had Canadians. My world will be complete now!!!!

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119. "RE: Bike Wars"
Phinney opted to ride for Team BMC for the next two years. Team BMC's head was also head of Team 7-Eleven/Motorola when his dad and a young Armstrong rode for it. Frankly, it's probably a better move from an expectations view, because Phinney will have time to be the star at BMC without being viewed as Armstrong's replacement ... yet.
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111. "Magnifique!"
The race in the streets of Québec city was very exciting. Hesjedal, who probably had the strongest legs, tried to breakaway on the next to last lap but his group of 4 was caught a kilometer away from the finish line. There, Thomas Voeckler launched a surprise attack and won by 1 second. Asked why he won, Voeckler had this very telling comment: "I won because I wasn't the strongest today."


They're all coming to Montréal tomorrow!

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112. "RE: Magnifique!"
I watched the Montreal race on tv. Ryder wanted it so bad, didn't he?

Read very positive tweets from racers. Bravo Quebec and Montreal!

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114. "RE: Magnifique!"
Yes, Hesjedal wanted it but he got a lesson instead; Gesink showed how and when to put down a mine. They all blew up behind him.

General impression was that the Québec city race was better because the city gave itself to the racers while Montréal only lent them its mountain. The enthousiasm was greater in Québec while in Montréal the amateur cyclists in attendance witnessed with a bit of disappointment that the pro-tour racers barely noticed that there even was a mountain.

The guy who organized the races here as been talking to the Pro-tour group about setting up a 3rd North American race in the Boston area for Labor day. Maybe next year, they'll be racing near you before coming here.

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115. "Alberto Contador: Busted"
He has tested positive for PED/doping during the rest day drug testing from this year's Tour de France. He's been suspended and may be stripped of this year's title...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/477800-alberto-contador-suspended-after-positive-doping-test

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116. "RE: Alberto Contador: Busted"
I am so confused. I read one thing that said he was 40 times under the testing threshold and another that said 400 times. What's up??????

I am not usually a conspiracy theorist, but this stinks a little.

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118. "RE: Alberto Contador: Busted"
His level is under the threshold that WADA-accredited labs have to be able to detect to be accredited. But so what? This is a zero-tolerance substance with no legitimate uses. And his level is high enough to be a certain positive, unlike the two other times when he tested positive, when his level was not that high.

His level is also consistent with the theory that Contador was "microdosing" illegal substances, which many people believed (including me), as I discussed earlier on this thread.

Combining that with Mosquera's positive at the Vuelta once again indicates that cycling in 2010 is still not clean at the top levels and probably means that sponsorship dollars will shrink again. But, hey, let's throw a lot of resources at deciding whether Lance Armstrong was doping in 1999, because that's so relevant to today.

Here's info on the dose:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/4187060/Reformed-cheat-casts-Contador-doping-doubt

The Union Cycliste Internationale confirmed the test result, but said in a statement that the A and B samples showed a ''very small concentration'' of the drug ''estimated at 50 picograms, which is 400 times less that what the anti-doping laboratories accredited by WADA must be able to detect''.

Contador claims to have been a victim of food contamination.

The UCI later announced that Tour of Spain runner-up Ezequiel Mosquera has also tested positive for a banned substance. Mosquera failed a doping control for hydroxyethyl starch, also known as HES.

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121. "RE: Alberto Contador: Busted"
His level is also consistent with the theory that Contador was "microdosing" illegal substances, which many people believed (including me), as I discussed earlier on this thread.

That's why I mean conspiracy theory....almost like "we know he has done it in the past so let's punish him now because we finally have proof of something!"

Alternately.... I do think it was odd that Contador was given advance notice of his failed test. Almost like the UCI wanted him to get his defense in order.

Here is an incriminating article.

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123. "RE: Alberto Contador: Busted"
The most damning thing here is Rasmus Damsgaard's statements. Damsgaard ran anti-doping for Astana (including Armstrong) under Bruyneel and is a credible source (even though CAS ruled against him on a drug suspension with Astana in 2008). If he thinks these results indicate that Contador had a transfusion, then who am I to disagree?

As far as the claims of McQuaid being a liar, I feel compelled to disagree. American law would indicate that McQuaid did completely the right thing by denying that any investigation was ongoing until UCI was ready to announce the results publicly. It wouldn't surprise me that European states put a lower value on privacy than America does, but it's completely clear that, under American law, as long as McQuaid's intent wasn't to personally profit from the knowledge about Contador prior to its release, then his denial of an investigation before its public announcement was not only proper but also ethically required.

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124. "RE: Alberto Contador: Busted"
It's not looking so go for Contador.

If there is a test detecting Plastic IV bags, I have got to think that several riders will be shaking in their boots. This is so dammaging to the sport.

New York Times Link.

Evidence of that chemical in an athlete’s urine could mean the athlete has used a blood transfusion to boost endurance....
A test performed on at least one of Contador’s urine samples from the Tour revealed levels of that chemical eight times higher than the minimum amount that signifies doping, according to a person with knowledge of the test results.

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122. "RE: Alberto Contador: Busted"
Was Contador the only member of his team to test positive on that day after the so-called "tainted meat" that the had specially shipped across the border from Spain?

Imagine how Andy Schleck must feel? First he feels that Contador got the yellow by attacking when Andy's chain fell off, and now this. This would be a lousy way for Andy to get the Yellow, but Contador seems to "walk and talk like a duck".


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117. "RE: Alberto Contador: Busted"
He said that it was from tainted meat.

Not sure if they believe it just because he's not American.

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125. "RE: Alberto Contador: Busted"
No one believes it. Contador will soon join Floyd Landis in the dethroned TdF line. Trek's move to pick up Andy Schleck and let Contador go is looking better and better.
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120. "RE: Cycling"
I'm just going to pop in here to say that I don't know much about cycling, they only show track and The Tour de France over here, but this is a fascinating thresd.

Thank you all.

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126. "Contador to Retire?"
Poor Alberto is so discouraged he is thinking about retiring. Riis says he is working on Plan B. Without the Schlecks and Alberto what does he have? I think Contador was his Plan B.
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For a little laugh....imagining the conversation between Contador and Landis.

"Okay Alberto, things aren't as bad as they seem. You are going with the contaminated meat story - I like it. Not an original story, but you got balls for trying to pull that off."

"But Senor Landis it's the truth!"

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127. "RE: Contador to Retire?"
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The whole lynch mob mentality around Contador is a direct result of Landis. In Landis' case, a lot of people believed in his innocence even despite the guilty verdict against him. Heck, he raised a lot of money from everyday cyclists for his legal defense, and he only lost in the US doping court 2-1, so even one of the judges bought his defense.

I think Contador has run into the "won't get fooled again" aftermath of Landis' publicity.

It's interesting that the byproduct of Landis' attempt to "get" Armstrong (through such ridiculous charges as a faked bus breakdown, when we all know that any bus driver who had done that would have sold his story to l'Equipe for a front-page feature and would have earned more than the GNP of some small African countries for providing the evidence to nail Armstrong, as l'Equipe has tried to do for years) is the absolute presumption of guilt against Contador. Maybe Alberto and Floyd can co-sponsor a "Dopers' Day", when everyone riding uses some illegal substance.

Contador was cleared in Operation Puerto because, although there were records of him at the blood transfusion offices, none of his blood was found there. Apparently, judging from this story, that was more the result of luck than of innocence.

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128. "Contaminted Meat....Sorry, Not Buying It"
A Spanish newspaper reported that the World Anti-Doping Agency discredited Alberto Contador’s claim that tainted beef he ate caused him to fail a drug test at the Tour de France last summer.

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Where does he go from here?

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129. "Updates"
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1) trigirl's post pointed out the latest news story on Contador's blood testing. At this point, it still looks as if Contador will be stripped of his Tour title and suspended.

2) Italian police raided Yaroslav Popovych's house in Italy two weeks ago, taking (among other things) his computer and cell phone. Speculation is that this was done in coordination with the US investigation of Lance Armstrong, because Popovych had just testified under subpoena before the so-called Armstrong grand jury, telling them that he had never been involved in any doping activities with Team RadioShack. At the time, some people thought that Popovych had only been called before the grand jury because he lived in a country with extensive police powers that could seize his personal belongings without any need for cause; the theory being that all of Armstrong's associates are lying and possibly could be turned if there was evidence of their lies.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/italian-police-search-popovychs-home-in-tuscany

The Popovych raid unfortunately confirms that theory as accurate, not paranoid. And the fact that the public statements about the raid came from Team RadioShack and not from any drug enforcement group or a targeted leak from Jeff Nowitzky's US nutcases hints that the raid was an absolute bust. Just what those of us who believed that Landis was lying and Armstrong came back to ride clean believed. Frankly, the Armstrong investigation, which Rupert Murdoch and ESPN had been pushing, has made Nowitzky look more like a clown than the superstar that he tried to pass himself off as after the Bonds/BALCO investigation. (Note that Popovych wasn't even on the team when Armstrong was associated with Dr. Michele Ferrari.)

3) Speaking of RadioShack, Johan Bruyneel drew a two-month suspension and a $10,000 fine for the team's black jerseys in the last stage (and on the podium) of the Tour de France. The riders were fined $2,500 each, and Bruyneel's assistants at the Tour (Demol and Ekimov) were fined $5,000. The suspension is effective in February and March 2011.

4) The ProTeams (formerly ProTour) lineup of 18 teams has been set, and BMC and Luxembourg are in. But the new Spanish team of Menchov and Sastre, Geox-TMC, is not. Neither is Cofidis or FDJ; there are only one French team (AG2R) and two Belgian teams (Quick Step and Omega Pharma-Lotto). But a second Dutch team, Vacansoleil, is in, joining Rabobank.

It's hard to believe that there are four US teams in the ProTeams plus a British team. When did the center of worldwide cycling move to the Anglo-Saxon world? Note that those five teams equal the combined Benelux teams, and that's 10 of the 18. Then two Spanish teams, two Italian teams, one Russian team, one Kazakhstani team, one Danish team and one French team.

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130. "Alberto Contador Cleared, Escapes Doping Ban"
I bet there are a lot of guys going to be eating a lot of meat this year.

Alberto Contador Cleared, Escapes Doping Ban


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131. "RE: Alberto Contador Cleared, Escapes Doping Ban"
Saying that Contador was "cleared" is like saying the O.J. was found innocent.

But the Spanish cycling body decided not to suspend Contador, even though its technical team recommended a guilty finding and a one-year suspension. That may have resulted from the Spanish prime minister making a public appeal for dismissal of the charges against Contador.

Under the current sports doping system, either the International Cycling Union (UCI) or the World Anti-Drug Agency (WADA) can appeal the dismissal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS).

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132. "RE: Alberto Contador Cleared, Escapes Doping Ban"
I don't understand why it is a national cycling body that makes this sort of determination. It would seem that they have a vested interest in not suspending him, which would result in Spain losing the Tour title for 2010.

I am intrigued that Andy Schleck, who would be in position to inherit the title, seems very quiet through this. I hope Andy wins "by a mile" at this year's tour.

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133. "Spanish cycling"
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This becomes ugly because it's taking place in Spain, which has both a long history of doping in cycling and a long history of covering up for its dopers.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/austin_murphy/02/17/alberto.contador.ruling/

Remember Operacion Puerto? In May 2006, Spanish police raided the laboratory of Doctor Eufemiano Fuentes, discovering scores of doping products and bags of blood -- intended, presumably, for the purposes of transfusion -- bearing code names that linked them to some 60 cyclists, including such prominent riders as Jan Ullrich, Ivan Basso and Spain's own Alejandro Valverde.

A Spanish judge ruled that no law had been broken, and ordered the RFEC not to use any of that seized evidence to pursue sanctions against any of the riders named in the investigation. Investigated by the German cycling federation, Ullrich was forced to retire. After the Italian cycling federation (CONI) followed up on Operacion Puerto, Basso was suspended two years by the Italian cycling federation. Valverde walked, as did every other Spanish rider linked to Puerto, including a young but promising climbing specialist named Alberto Contador.

(Disgusted by Spain's refusal to police its own, in 2009 CONI suspended Valverde from racing on Italian soil for two years -- preventing him from contesting the '09 Tour de France, which crossed into Italy.)

I have no doubt that either UCI or WADA will appeal to CAS, which will take the national bias out of the system.

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