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"The Dorner murders and manhunt."
Estee 53845 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-08-13, 10:00 AM (EST)
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"The Dorner murders and manhunt." |
Your typical police department will use a mental health screening process for new recruits. I'm assuming the LAPD is no different in that regard. There's also a screening process for military branches, including the reserves. So he went through at least two evaluations in his life and sailed through into positions which let him learn exactly how to kill people with precision. I'm not sure if this says something about how virtually anyone can turn given the wrong conditions or a desperate need to revise those tests.He's crossed a line most American criminals are supposedly reluctant to look at: not only targeting police, but going after their families. (Overseas, it's frequently considered a good way to keep the number of dedicated officers down.) It makes him that much less likely to be taken alive. It also means the victim count could still go beyond his own: that nearly happened already. We train our killers well. We're about to find out just how well. http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/08/us/lapd-attacks/index.html The manifesto: http://www.dailynews.com/ci_22538933 I don't think this one is going to suicide on his own.
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kingfish 15037 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-08-13, 11:09 AM (EST)
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3. "RE: The Dorner murders and manhunt." |
LAST EDITED ON 02-08-13 AT 11:11 AM (EST)The first time I read the account of the incident that led to his firing I thought that he was right, and that the LAPD probably did screw him, and that much of the blame for recent events could be laid at the LAPD doorstep. But then I read that there were three civilian witnesses that contradicted his account, that there had been an ongoing chain of conflicts between him and his training officer that seemed to be leading to his being disciplined or fired, that he brought the charge against his training officer two weeks after the incident in question, and that the training officer was due to turn in a progress report on him which he could have figured would be negative. Those circumstances would cause me to doubt that his accusation was valid if I were on the evaluation board. It seems to me that, in light of the impending negative progress report that he feared she would make, it's not unlikely that Dorner inflicted the injuries that he accused his training officer of in order to set her up. In any case it’s scary and sad, and the screening tests should be improved to allow people with a propensity for these kinds of grudges (whether valid or not) to be filtered out of certain jobs.
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Snidget 42632 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-08-13, 12:18 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: The Dorner murders and manhunt." |
I would suspect that there are plenty of incidents in the LAPD (and every other police force in the country) that could very easily be seen as problematic so there could be some basis for him to report someone for something.I can also see that someone that is seen as all too likely to be pursuing a career in part to be the whistle-blower could be forced out over things that may not normally cause someone to be fired. That this then cost him every single thing in his life, meant he could never, ever, ever have a wife and family, any career of any kind, and lost him all of his blood relatives and is the one true and only source of all that is wrong in his life and deserving of warfare and all that, is on him as...well if that was the normal result of not making it in the police forces, we wouldn't have any cops left as all the still employed ones would have been killed by the fired ones a long time ago. I mean sure being a rent-a-cop for a mall or any of the bazillion other things people who didn't make it as cop do may not be the dream he had (and gee so many of them manage to find a spouse and procreate), but this does seem to be all out of proportion to anything they did to him vs what he did to himself (or mental illness or other untreated issues not serious enough to be called a mental illness did to him). This? is not going to end well.
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kidflash212 3578 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge"
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02-10-13, 01:14 PM (EST)
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9. "Reopen his case?" |
Just read an article that the LAPD has decided to reopen his disciplinary case. I'm hoping that is just internet misinformation. What kind of message does it send - killing people is the way to get what you want?
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Snidget 42632 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-10-13, 02:27 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: Reopen his case?" |
I read they were doing that as well, does seem odd.On the other hand they may be opening it because it allows for active reinvestigation of things that they hope may end up being helpful in the current situation. Or, it could be to try to shut up some of the people calling Dorner a hero and cheering him on and thinking the right thing to do is aid him in avoiding the cops so he can kill more of them. have you read some of the comment sections When we had the manhunt for that bomber up in the hills of NC there was a lot of concern about how much the locals seemed to see him as some kind of folk hero and were likely to aid him rather than call the cops to report on him.
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cahaya 18309 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-11-13, 00:27 AM (EST)
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14. "RE: One Million Dollars" |
And the bounty hunters suspend their current four-and-five-figure operations and go for the seven-figure one.
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dabo 24311 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-12-13, 06:39 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: The Dorner murders and manhunt." |
LAST EDITED ON 02-12-13 AT 07:10 PM (EST)http://news.msn.com/us/ex-cop-exchanges-fire-with-authorities?gt1=51501 A fugitive ex-Los Angeles cop sought in three killings barricaded himself in the San Bernardino Mountains Tuesday after exchanging gunfire with law enforcement officers and wounding two, authorities said. An officer told The Associated Press that Christopher Dorner earlier had burglarized a cabin and tied up a couple inside. One person was able to get away on Tuesday and make a call.
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Estee 53845 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-12-13, 07:10 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: The Dorner murders and manhunt." |
I'm hoping we can call this endgame and close it without any more wounded or fatalities. If he's gone into a random cabin, the odds of it having an escape tunnel are slightly low. Cornered -- and there's only so much ammunition anyone can carry.
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PepeLePew13 24298 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-12-13, 08:33 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: The Dorner murders and manhunt." |
You're not that far from the truth... reports are circulating at the moment that the cabin is in flames, there's thick black smoke coming out. Tear gas was just thrown in and there's a tactical attack on the cabin going on now.
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Estee 53845 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-12-13, 08:42 PM (EST)
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23. "RE: The Dorner murders and manhunt." |
CNN has a KABC feed shot from the air. You can see the flames and smoke coming up. Beyond that, it's mostly speculation and no word on whether Dorner was removed alive, dead, or is still in there. CNN thinks a team went inside, but -- it's pretty much all rumors right now.
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dabo 24311 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-12-13, 08:48 PM (EST)
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24. "RE: The Dorner murders and manhunt." |
Apparently they're going to let it burn to the ground.
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dabo 24311 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-12-13, 09:19 PM (EST)
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26. "RE: The Dorner murders and manhunt." |
There are six other cabins on the property, he could have tried to get to one of those using the smoke as a cover.
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Estee 53845 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-12-13, 09:40 PM (EST)
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27. "RE: The Dorner murders and manhunt." |
CNN has U.S. marshals as saying someone tried to get out (no word on whether it was before or during the fire), but that person was somehow pushed back inside.
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dabo 24311 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-12-13, 09:47 PM (EST)
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28. "RE: The Dorner murders and manhunt." |
On the twitter stream site I was following (until I started getting malicious url alerts) it was reported the cabin had a basement. If he was still alive and unable to get out of the burning cabin, that's where he would have gone.
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dabo 24311 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-12-13, 10:54 PM (EST)
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30. "RE: The Dorner murders and manhunt." |
http://news.msn.com/us/ex-cop-exchanges-fire-with-authorities?gt1=43001A law enforcement source told the Los Angeles Times that police had broken down windows in the cabin, pumped in tear gas and blasted a loud speaker urging Dorner to surrender. When they got no response, police deployed a vehicle to rip down the walls of the cabin "one by one, like peeling an onion," the Times reported. By the time they got to the last wall, authorities heard a single gunshot, the source said. Then flames began to spread through the structure, and gunshots, probably set off by the fire, were heard. A body was not found. The police search will be focused in the basement area, the source told the Times.
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Snidget 42632 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-13-13, 08:04 AM (EST)
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34. "Someone found dead" |
Early reports were wrong, but by morning they did find a body.http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/13/us/lapd-manhunt/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 It will take some time to identify it. There was one guy this morning saying that from the recording of the last gun battle he thinks someone had a fully automatic weapon. And did you know that you can in some states buy fully automatic weapons? Even through every swore no one could ever do that anywhere? It was a handful of states, and it is highly regulated. While it could be the police department involved that had it, he did say that it could explain how Dorner was so effective in keeping the cops at bay during that exchange.
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kingfish 15037 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-13-13, 09:21 AM (EST)
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35. "RE: Someone found dead" |
LAST EDITED ON 02-13-13 AT 09:23 AM (EST)It is illegal to own an automatic machine gun or pistol without a federal license. In all states. There's a law that was passed in 1934(?) banning private ownership of machine guns in response to the gangster activity of the time. It is possible to get a federal license to own a machine gun in all states (I think). Unfortunately, there are quite a few legally owned machine guns in private hands. Three things occur to me about the reports of a machine gun at Bear Lake. One: (as you mention) it might have been the law enforcement weapons. Or Two: it might have been ammo going off in the fire. From the circumstances, it's doesn't seem likely that it could have been> Three: Dorner or a civilian in the area with a machine gun
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kingfish 15037 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-13-13, 01:37 PM (EST)
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37. "RE: Someone found dead" |
That's true, people do do that. I think it’s illegal and a Federal crime (no parole?) to boot, but very not-smart people do those conversions. My understanding is that he only had hand guns when he holed up in that cabin. But there was a lot of confusion, and we may find out that he actually did have a weapon that he converted to fully automatic, and still had it in the cabin. Still, it seems improbable that at the end, he could have been toting the quantity of ammo that he would have needed for a fully automatic weapon to be effective in a siege. Be interesting to learn the details when this all gets sorted out.
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Snidget 42632 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-13-13, 03:20 PM (EST)
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39. "RE: Someone found dead" |
The guy they interviewed seemed to know what he was talking about but he could be crazy. There was something different about the 4 states mentioned, maybe how states regulate things under the federal law that makes what you can get legally in one state with some difficulty something you cannot own for any price in another.
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dabo 24311 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-13-13, 02:09 PM (EST)
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38. "RE: Someone found dead" |
The National Firearms Act of 1934 required that machine guns and other specified weapons be registered, and that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives be notified whenever such weapons were to be transferred across state lines. The registration fee was designed to be very prohibitive.
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