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Molaholic 8238 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-21-13, 09:35 PM (EST) "Question to movie/Oscar® buffs" I watched A Patch of Blue on TCM this afternoon and it was mentioned that Shelley Winters won the Best Supporting Actress award for her performance of Rose-Ann, a totally despicable and evil character. I started wondering, what other Oscars have gone to such characters? Capn2Patch siggiefest Twenty Ten   Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    RE: Question to movie/Oscar® kidflash212 01-21-13 1    RE: Question to movie/Oscar® dabo 01-21-13 2        RE: Question to movie/Oscar® AyaK 01-22-13 3            RE: Question to movie/Oscar® dabo 01-22-13 4                RE: Question to movie/Oscar® AyaK 01-22-13 6                    RE: Question to movie/Oscar® dabo 01-23-13 7                        RE: Question to movie/Oscar® AyaK 01-23-13 8  RE: Question to movie/Oscar® tribephyl 01-22-13 5    RE: Question to movie/Oscar® Brownroach 01-24-13 10  RE: Question to movie/Oscar® Brownroach 01-24-13 9    RE: Question to movie/Oscar® kidflash212 01-25-13 13  Something to consider, also... Brownroach 01-24-13 11    Disagree AyaK 01-24-13 12        RE: Disagree Brownroach 01-29-13 14            Agreed AyaK 01-29-13 15

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kidflash212 3544 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 01-21-13, 09:51 PM (EST) 1. "RE: Question to movie/Oscar® buffs" Quite a lot, I think. Evil characters give actors more scenery to chew on. Just off the top of my head: Christoph Waltz won for playing a Nazi in Inglorious Bastards Kathy Bates in Misery Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lecter Heath Ledger won for the Joker Forest Whittaker played Idi Amin and grabbed an Oscar. Javier Bardem in No Country for Old Men was pretty evil. Capn2patch put me in motion!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

dabo 24232 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-21-13, 10:09 PM (EST) 2. "RE: Question to movie/Oscar® buffs" Catherine Zeta-Jones in Chicago.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

AyaK 9854 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-13, 01:46 AM (EST) 3. "RE: Question to movie/Oscar® buffs" And Louise Fletcher as Nurse Ratched in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. But that exhausts the list of female Academy Award winners with no redeeming qualities. Even Monster, about a serial killer, had Charlize Theron give Wuornos some redeeming qualities -- she tried to go straight, she protected her girlfriend, etc. Male villains have a much better chance of winning an Oscar. And flawed male villains, from Walter Brennan as Judge Roy Bean in The Westerner and George Sanders as Addison DeWitt in All About Eve to the others named here, have a direct pathway to the Oscar.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

dabo 24232 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-13, 02:48 AM (EST) 4. "RE: Question to movie/Oscar® buffs" I'm kind of on the fence about Faye Dunaway's network executive in Network.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

AyaK 9854 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-13, 06:53 PM (EST) 6. "RE: Question to movie/Oscar® buffs" Faye Dunaway's character may have had a name (Diana Palmer), but the script actually had her playing television itself, not a real person. When Paddy Chayevsky's script had William Holden's character Max tell Diana that she was television, he meant it literally -- her character really was the personification of TV.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

dabo 24232 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-23-13, 02:02 AM (EST) 7. "RE: Question to movie/Oscar® buffs" That's one way of looking at it. The reason I was on the fence about it is that Network goes so deep into satire that most of the main characters are caricature. No one is really this way but for the purposes of making a point and playing out this drama these players will go to these extremes, absurd as it seems the absurdity is much the point. William Holden as Max is there to help you understand, he's your real person giving you perspective. Everything else is showbiz.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

AyaK 9854 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-23-13, 02:50 AM (EST) 8. "RE: Question to movie/Oscar® buffs" I agree about Max. Other than Diana, the rest of the people are show-biz stereotypes. But I stand by my interpretation: Diana is TV itself, from the amorality to the lack of interest in message (because, as Marshall McLuhan said, the medium itself is the message).   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

tribephyl 9163 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-13, 05:33 PM (EST) 5. "RE: Question to movie/Oscar® buffs" as mentioned above, quite a few. There's also Denzel Washington in Training Day, Ruth Gordon in Rosemary's Baby, F. Murray Abraham in Amadeus, Jeremy Irons in Reversal of Fortune. That's just the winners, haven't gone through the nominees, yet. And truthfully anything before 1960 and I'm kinda lost.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Brownroach 14142 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-24-13, 01:02 AM (EST) 10. "RE: Question to movie/Oscar® buffs" Angela Lansbury in "Manchurian Candidate" comes to mind as a losing nominee (to Patty Duke).   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Brownroach 14142 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-24-13, 00:59 AM (EST) 9. "RE: Question to movie/Oscar® buffs" Julie Andrews in "Mary Poppins". And then she was nominated again the following year for playing an even more despicable character in "The Sound Of Music"!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

kidflash212 3544 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 01-25-13, 12:29 PM (EST) 13. "RE: Question to movie/Oscar® buffs" <<shudder>>   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Brownroach 14142 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-24-13, 02:04 AM (EST) 11. "Something to consider, also..." is who the actor/performance was up against. Shelley Winters's competition consisted of two unfamiliar British actresses who appeared in what was basically a filmed stage performance of "Othello" (one was Maggie Smith, not yet famous), plus the one-dimensional Mother Superior in "The Sound Of Music" and Ruth Gordon as Natalie Wood's mother in a critical bomb. "A Patch Of Blue" by contrast was critically well-received, with five nominations and the social consciousness aspect going for it -- and Shelley Winters was a popular Hollywood actress playing against type. Not hard to see why she won.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

AyaK 9854 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-24-13, 12:07 PM (EST) 12. "Disagree" Rose-Anne is a great character who could have walked right out of a Tennessee Williams play, and this was at the time when the Hays Production Code was finally breaking down. People wanted to celebrate a fine performance, especially since Brando had NOT won Best Actor for Stanley in A Streetcar Named Desire. However, while Inside Daisy Clover may have been a critical bomb, the movie's negativity toward studio executives made it popular in the Hollywood of the 1960s. Even Robert Redford's insistence that his character be changed from homosexual to bisexual didn't change that. Plus, Ruth Gordon was a very popular actress. The winner wasn't a foregone conclusion by any means. However, I do agree that the two Othello nominees were out of the running. The less said about Laurence Olivier in blackface, the better.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Brownroach 14142 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-29-13, 01:01 AM (EST) 14. "RE: Disagree" LAST EDITED ON 01-29-13 AT 01:13 AM (EST) I didn't say Winters's win was a foregone conclusion, I said it's not surprising that she won, taking all else into consideration, which seems to be your point as well. I wasn't implying her performance wasn't worthy; it was very good. And Ruth Gordon was nowhere near a popular film actress in 1965; "Inside Daisy Clover" was her first film appearance in roughly 20 years. Her Hollywood reputation at that point rested on her screenwriting credentials (albeit she had continued to act onstage).   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

AyaK 9854 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-29-13, 11:44 AM (EST) 15. "Agreed" True. Remember, though, that Gordon created the role of Dolly Levi on stage in the 1950s (and was nominated for a Tony for it), she wasn't used for the movie based on it (which starred Shirley Booth instead).   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

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