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2. "RE: Cover an American Classic for Neil Young" |
Yeah the monetary prize isn't much, but exposure is crucial. Let's see how things go from there...
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07-09-12, 01:41 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: Cover an American Classic for Neil Young" |
Yeah, I hadn't really thought of it from that angle of over-saturation from reality shows. I was reading somewhere a while ago that in the old days, bands toured to promote their albums - lose money on the road but make more in sales. Now, it's the other way around - make albums to justify the touring they need to do. Plus, of course, there's gotta be way more competition out there with bands all over the place compared to the old days. But hey, nephew's 21 years old and he's thrilled with where he is in his life, so if it makes him happy, then go for it and see where success may come. His group has been all over in between Alaska and New Orleans, so they've logged a lot of miles to date.
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07-08-12, 04:33 PM (EST)
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Seriously, don't get me started on cochlear implants. There's nothing more offensive to a Deaf person.
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07-08-12, 06:42 PM (EST)
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I had no idea of the feelings involved. And I apologize in advance for whatever I say that is insensitive. I try to be inquisitive, but I certainly don't like to offend, even unintentionally.My friend was in his late thirties before he decided to get his, and I guess he would still be considered deaf as you say, but he can hear now. Much to the appreciation of his family, friends, co-workers, and I assume himself. Until I read your reaction, I had no idea that the CIs were anything but a semi-miracle for those for whom they provided improved hearing. I stand enlightened. He never showed any sign that he considered himself to be part of the deaf community. As far as I know he never even learned sign language. He works as an engineering assistant. I and his other co-workers did have to make some accommodations for him, but that was just part of everybody's normal workday environment. We had to make sure he was looking at us when we spoke and tapped him on the shoulder whenever there were general announcements or fire drills (etc) were held.
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07-08-12, 07:23 PM (EST)
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LAST EDITED ON 07-08-12 AT 07:29 PM (EST)I have absolutely no problem with his decision as he was an adult and obviously did the research behind it (my step-sister also had the procedure in her 40s). But it's important to realize that it is a TOOL to facilitate the ability to recognize sounds, it does not "make" someone hear but rather the patient would have to undergo extensive speech therapy in order to allow this tool to help refine the ability to recognize sounds. It gives a 'sense' of sound, and really, serves as a prosthetic substitute for hearing and does not produce normal hearing. Your friend may have the C.I. but he's still legally considered a person with disability. The fact that he still needed to be tapped on the shoulder when there was an announcement or drill, whatnot, tells you that he still does not have the full ability to hear but rather depends on this tool as one part of the process of receiving information from others. He uses C.I. as one part of the process and it likely works for him because he may already have the speech perception and neural pattern down pat. Without actually meeting him, I'm merely making a guess. I get why it appears to be a "semi-miracle" but you'd be surprised at the number of deaf adults who were implanted when young who regret they did not get the chance to learn sign language at a younger age to give them more options. It probably sounds like an hot-potato issue and you'd be right. The reality is that, with today's technology advancing at a rapid level, I probably am a part of the last generation of the Deaf community that will live on and the community will likely be extinct by the 2050s.
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>Just out of curiosity, is there any technology or medical
>procedure that the deaf community that you represent would
>acceptably bestow hearing to a deaf person?
In other words, accept that there is something broken with a deaf person (a category which includes both my wife and I) and that it needs to be fixed? Whatever happened to accepting people for who they are and allowing them to flourish as they are? Not a single learner in my class wants to change who they are. Neither of the two learners who are in a wheelchair want to change who they are - both want to use their writing skills to change society's perceptions of who they are, not as people who need to be fixed but instead as human beings who are a member of society like everyone else. I'm not sure if you were around back then, but several posters left this site because they did not feel that certain others were respecting that they were gay, or disabled as in the case of one lass. We lost a few highly intelligent, well spoken posters because of society's perceptions.
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07-08-12, 10:33 PM (EST)
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I have no problem with it, and I accept and applaud that you feel that way. I sincerely hope that you aren't the last old deaf community fogey (smiley face).But, and I hope you take this the right way, but I don't accept either that a deaf person is broken, or that he/she shouldn't try and get help with hearing if he wants to. I wear glasses, I have really poor vision and without them I am borderline blind. I am really really grateful for this device (corrective lenses, and someday I'll get corrective lens implants) that allows me to see. And BTW, I think the Gay analogy is not apt. First, because (and I think we can accept this?) that an analogy for being gay is more like being left handed or being red headed than being without a physical asset. And second, when posters leave for any reason other than being kicked off, it's a personal decision based on their tolerance, a decision that many other gay people don't make. Something that I think you and I and all of us grateful for, we don't like to see friends leave.
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07-09-12, 01:56 AM (EST)
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15. "RE: Cover an American Classic for Neil Young" |
I thank you for your understanding and curiosity as we endure this debate in order to understand each other's views on this issue. There's one notable difference between wearing glasses to correct poor eyesight and putting an implant on a deaf person. The Deaf community is a distinct culture on its own and has a linguistic identity of its own with a language that is recognized by the federal government and is protected by the American Disabilities Act (in the USA). We recognize it as a difference in human experience, rather than as a disability. We've got national associations, professional lobbying groups, three post-secondary educational institutions, deaf clubs located in every major (and most semi-major) city in the USA and Canada, world federation athletic competitions (there's one in Toronto later this month), and so on. Think of the Cajuns who were exiled to Louisiana from Acadia. They've got their own distinct dialect, culture and music. At one time, there were attempts made to squash the Cajun culture in schools (not unlike the decades following the 1880 Milan Conference that attempted to ban manual languages for the Deaf), but I believe they're now recognized by the federal government as an ethnic group to be preserved. I realize there were no implants or anything like that for the Cajuns, but the point is that well-meaning hearing people are usually making the decision for infants to be implanted without taking into consideration the long-term cultural impact of doing so. It's almost like asking a panel of men to solely make decisions on abortion laws without asking a woman for her opinion on the matter.
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07-09-12, 12:57 PM (EST)
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LAST EDITED ON 07-09-12 AT 01:21 PM (EST)Well, count me in, I'm all for Deaf Pride now that I'm aware that it exists. (BTW, that shoulder tapping was only before the CI's were implanted. After we became adjusted (and after he did too) we stopped doing that). And again, congrats to your nephew, hope we hear more of him. (An aside, Casey James performed for the troops here on the Redstone Arsenal this weekend. I'm not a big fan so I didn't go myself, but I thought it was interesting and nice that he seems to be doing well post-Idol, even though he didn't win. His guitar skills were pretty impressive).
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07-08-12, 07:02 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Cover an American Classic for Neil Young" |
WTG fiddlin' skunk!
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09-05-12, 12:22 PM (EST)
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24. "RE: i'm confused" |
Neil is Canadian born and raised (he has retained Canadian citizenship and has been awarded the Order of Canada), but has now lived in the US for almost 50 years.
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09-05-12, 02:02 PM (EST)
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26. "RE: i'm confused" |
If you want to get technical, the northernmost point of the Americas is at approximately 83°08'N 74°13'W, the southernmost point of the Americas is at approximately 59°29′S 27°8′W.
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09-05-12, 03:40 PM (EST)
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27. "RE: i'm confused" |
Plenty of celebs (yes, you Celine Dion) spend more time in the USA than Canada because of their professions. Jim Carrey, Shannon Tweed, and hopefully-for-good Justin Beiber, just to name a few.
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09-05-12, 03:54 PM (EST)
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28. "RE: i'm confused" |
You know, if you can somehow swipe back Howie Mandel we might end up with three bonafide USofA'mericans on the AGT judges panel next year.
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