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"S20 Heroes vs. Villians - Love/Loathe List- Ep 6"
Big episode with the inevitable double boot after the basketball break. We got our first casualty in the Rob v. Russell war as one of Rob's alliance predictably falls victim to the idol ricochet, but now the idol is gone and would Rob's alliance toss the next challenge to get rid of Russell? Maybe. Either way, with the merge likely after that, the remnant can just join with the Heroes and put Rob's alliance in the minority, which explains why Sandra, Courtney and Jerri have had virtually no edit.

1. Rob- Seems to win every challenge simply because he refuses to lose. He lost the battle with Russell that was the story for Ep. 6, but he still holds the advantage in the war, at least until merge. The battle was lost through no fault of his. In fact, for someone who had never faced the HII before, he dealt with it like an expert. His plan was foolproof except for the fact that it relied on fools. His transparent threatening of Russell showed that he DIDNT know who he was dealing with, but how would he?

2. Russell- Recent story has been all about Rob and Russell. Russell won the first battle, but the HII made that probable from the get-go. Protecting an ally with the idol goes all the way back to Fiji, so it is far from original or genius, especially when your opponent makes it obvious where their votes are going. (Why not throw votes at Danielle?) But it was ballsy. In fact, there are few players with the guts to pull that off. A tie vote would have sent Russell home. If there was any genius in the play, it was the extra push he gave Tyson to break the tie. Does anyone still think this guy's only game is finding idols? I still think his time is short, but I've been saying that for a while now...

3. Amanda- She still got more confessionals and screen time than any other Hero even though they weren't the focus of the show. Though she hated doing it, she must have been the key factor in the decision to vote out James, unless James himself insisted on it. There was no way Rupert was changing his mind unless Amanda convinced him to.

4. Coach- We'll see how losing Tyson affects the rest of Coach's game, but considering Russell was obviously trying to sway him, Coach still holds a middle position where he is safe no matter how the cookie crumbles. He has basically stolen Parvati's game.

5. Candice- This season is looking better and better for Candice. She saved herself Danni Boatwright style when it was likely her going home, and she only needs to make the merge where anything can happen. Like Amanda in Micronesia, Candice is non-threatening enough to avoid being targeted after merge, and yet strong enough to win the last challenges when the main threats are gone.

6. Parvati- Her vaunted social game has seemingly only worked on one person. She has already been targeted twice and now owes her game to Russell. Riding coattails is exactly what she is doing this season. However, merge can bring a new game, with Amanda, Candice and the rest of the Heroes needing her vote. Pretty sad if her game relies on preshow alliances. Jeff may not want to do this again, afterall.

7. JT- His edit has faded ever since his big move to blindside Cirie, which could mean it was more about Cirie than him. He is still in a good position, as he and Amanda are obviously in charge of what could end up being at least a hybrid of the final alliance.

8. Colby- Gets moved up due to humility, honesty, and selflessness that finally reflected truly heroic character. Props.

9. Sandra- Has virtually no edit now. She is likely the next to go after the tide turns against Rob, which I think it will after merge. She had great TC comments though, including telling Russell that if he don't have the idol he better "go find it.". As I said at the beginning, she may be the only true villian on the show. No surprise for someone I once harshly referred to as a "worthless human being."

10. Danielle- Has no edit. Even with being in the momentarily victorious alliance. She showed a lot of guts though in sticking with an alliance of 3 against 6 other tribemates. She also gets no lower than 10 for simply looking good, especially for someone who isn't supposed to have showered for a couple weeks.

11. Rupert- He is still getting enough face time to suggest he is also a member, if briefly, of the final alliance after merge. He has no story though other as drama queen.

12. Jerri- I don't think she is going to get her wish of seeing Parvati out before her. It is useless for Coach to flip without her though, which means Coach is unlikely to flip to Russell. However, she will be part of Rob's alliance victimized after merge.

13. Courtney- Looks cute and is another vote for Rob. Otherwise, no purpose.


double the pleasure, double the fun

Sugarless- waste
Randall- less attractive waste
Stephanie- Has turned losing challenges into a science.
Cirie- First victim of the failed split vote
Tom- Refused to take the lead. Paid the price of a sinking ship.
Tyson- 2nd victim of the failed split vote. Might be first Survivor in history to essentially vote themselves out. Congrats on the distinction.
James- Was a cancer on his tribe that probably should have been cut out much sooner. For some reason it took an injury for him to recover much of his good humor. I think the Hereos will rebound now for a whole one challenge before merge. Will the Villians even be trying to win though?


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 RE: S20 Heroes vs. Villians - Love/... garcor 03-27-10 1
 RE: S20 Heroes vs. Villians - Love/... michel 03-28-10 2
   RE: S20 Heroes vs. Villians - Love/... iltarion 03-29-10 3
       RE: S20 Heroes vs. Villians - Love/... michel 03-29-10 4
           RE: S20 Heroes vs. Villians - Love/... iltarion 03-30-10 5
               RE: S20 Heroes vs. Villians - Love/... michel 03-30-10 6
                   RE: S20 Heroes vs. Villians - Love/... iltarion 03-30-10 7
                   RE: S20 Heroes vs. Villians - Love/... garcor 03-31-10 8
                       RE: S20 Heroes vs. Villians - Love/... michel 03-31-10 9
                           RE: S20 Heroes vs. Villians - Love/... iltarion 03-31-10 10
                               RE: S20 Heroes vs. Villians - Love/... garcor 03-31-10 11
                                   RE: S20 Heroes vs. Villians - Love/... michel 03-31-10 13
                                       RE: S20 Heroes vs. Villians - Love/... garcor 04-01-10 15
                               RE: S20 Heroes vs. Villians - Love/... michel 03-31-10 12
                                   RE: S20 Heroes vs. Villians - Love/... garcor 04-01-10 14

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1. "RE: S20 Heroes vs. Villians - Love/Loathe List- Ep 6"

1) Russell: After trashing him last week, have to praise him for his willingness to gamble his place in the game. If Tyson hadn't decided at the last moment to vote Parvati, Russell would have alienated his tribe in his search for the II for the sole purpose of . . . saving Parvati. As a return player I think that would have been the dumbest move ever. As it is, it will likely infuriate Rob enough to spend all his waking hours trying to remove Russell. But he proved to everyone he could play, that he was playing to win, and that he knows the best chance to make it to final TC is to be part of a strong alliance.

2) JT: Enjoyed the Heroes Olympics. James really seems to like JT. Does anyone who has played against him dislike him? He must have some serious personal charm. Sort of the anti-Russell. And appears to be sharing or alternating a leadership role on his tribe with Amanda. Had a hand in the vote offs of both Cirie and Tom, his most obvious challengers on his tribe.

3) Rob: Another challenge win and an effective voting strategy undermined by Tyson's loss of nerve.

4) Amanda: Appears well-liked and trusted and in a leadership position with the likelihood she can hook up with Parvati and Danielle after merge.

5) Coach: Relatively quiet, but in the center of the Villain's voting schemes.

6) Candice: Saved herself when she needed to.

Not much to say about anyone else this week, at least not positive.

7) Parvati: Had to be rescued by Russell. Her tribesmates fear of her friends on the other side are making it hard for her to play her game by restricting her ability to make alliances. May be the most handicapped this year by having won before.

8) Rupert, Courtney, Danielle, Jerri: All still here.

9) Colby: Sure much of it was editing but looked like he had given up.

10) Sandra: Tribal council remark about Russell came across as mean-spirited and classless.


Gone: Tyson: Think more a matter of letting his nerves get the best of him than of his being stupid.

Gone: James: Someone suggested the way he regained his sense of humor after his antagonistic early behavior looked like someone going through withdrawal. Don't know and not guessing.

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2. "RE: S20 Heroes vs. Villians - Love/Loathe List- Ep 6"
1- Russell: If Rob's alliance was truly smart, he wouldn't have stood a chance anyway so his gamble was worth the risk. He needs Parvati's connections because he doesn't know anyone.

2- Parvati: Her charm worked again.

3- Candice: The only interesting Hero.

4- Danielle: More than Tyson's stupidity, the plan needed Danielle to stay true to the alliance. Most of the time, someone in the minority decides to vote with the majority. By the exchanged looks, she seems to have a very solid connection to Parvati.

5- Sandra: The only way Sandra survives is if her tribe is fractured. Guess what? It is but she's lying when she says she plays "anybody but me". She wasn't just gunning for anyone, she was directly targeting Russell.

6- Rob: Not good to show that someone is smarter than you are. With the HII, you go after the least important ally first. Danielle was Sundra and should have received 6 votes. Splitting 3-3-3 is all well and good on paper but mix in paranoļa and there you go.

7- JT: Smart move breaking up the strongest pair after showing you were loyal. Rupert should be next but will he be that smart.

8- Amanda: She may have let her strong position slip through her fingers. Colby/JT/Candice could rule the tribe if JT chooses to go that way.

9- Courtney: I wasn't sure if she was with Tyson or Parvati. I doubt that she's with Rob now that his plan failed.

10- Jerri: What was that bull at TC? You had a 5 person alliance and a boot order set even before reaching Ogawhore's camp.

11- Coach: He lost an ally, probably lost Rob's trust (who else will Rob blame for tipping off Russell) and he didn't gain trust from the other side. The legend looked like Dolly.

12- Rupert: If he can't run why didn't they vote him out? He's a huge disappointment but an expected one.

13- Colby: Speaking of disappointment how about our superman in a fat suit?!! Not even scrambling to save himself? Pathetic.


Booted- Tyson: How could he know Danielle would vote for him? Rob put him in a terrible position and didn't seem to care. If the plan was fool-proof, why not give Tyson the immunity necklace?

James: Editing guys. When the Heroes needed to look bad, the editors focused on James' strong words to make their case. Now that he was on his way out, James got a chance to be funny and team oriented. He always was.


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3. "RE: S20 Heroes vs. Villians - Love/Loathe List- Ep 6"

Colby- Scrambling is pathetic. He didn't scramble, and he is still there. Worked out pretty well.

Tyson- Rob put him in a terrible position? haha.. .Explain how Tyson's position was Rob's fault. Give Tyson the immunity necklace? What would that idiocy accomplish?


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4. "RE: S20 Heroes vs. Villians - Love/Loathe List- Ep 6"

>Colby- Scrambling is pathetic. He didn't
>scramble, and he is still
>there. Worked out pretty well.

Funny. Colby himself said that you have to do the "social thing" when your name is on the block so it's not as if he was above that. It's just that he was ready to go out. THAT is pathetic.
BTW: I've had to scramble many times in on-line games and it's exhilirating. It works.

>Tyson- Rob put him in a
>terrible position? haha.. .Explain how
>Tyson's position was Rob's fault.
> Give Tyson the immunity
>necklace? What would that idiocy
>accomplish?

Rob insisted on splitting the votes 3-3-3. You don't need to do that. You go for Danielle first. If Russell keeps the idol, then the next time you go for Parvati. He wouldn't keep the idol twice.

Giving Tyson the necklace would have meant Tyson wouldn't need to think, the votes would have gone to Rob. Then his 3-3-3 vote would have been on his shoulders.

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5. "RE: S20 Heroes vs. Villians - Love/Loathe List- Ep 6"

Yeah, exactly, Colby did try the social thing and nothing changed. He was ready to go because he figured he was. He accepted his fate. He made it clear in his talk with James that he still wanted to play. He wasn't quitting. He honestly still seems to care about the Hereos though the rest of them never gave him a chance to be in their alliance. That is heroic. Props to him. You aren't really comparing fantasy Survivor to the real thing, right?

If you are Tyson, would you feel more comfortable with everyone voting for Danielle? I don't know. It is a toss up. I agree a vote for Danielle likely would have worked, but that is the power of hindsight. Tyson could have suggested voting for Danielle. The plan wasn't all Rob's fault, though again, the plan works if Tyson doesn't screw it up, as he admitted.

Giving the necklace away would have been an idiotic move for Rob. For what? To prove a point? Tyson admitted his mistake. He didn't blame Rob, nor should anyone else. When Rob said this is what we are going to do, Tyson could have said no, let's do this. He has no one to blame but himself, but he said that already.

I forgot to mention, as no one has, that it is possible Russell didn't know if he would keep the HII or give it away until TC. If that were the case, Sandra's rant about knowing he had the HII might have made the difference that led to him giving it to Parvati. Might have been an important screw up by her. Of course, again, they didn't care if he played it or gave it away as long as everyone voted like they were supposed to.


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6. "RE: S20 Heroes vs. Villians - Love/Loathe List- Ep 6"
Remember this?


I've known people who weren't the target but got voted out for isolating themselves like that. Colby owes his survival to JT and Candice.

Why would giving away the necklace be idiotic if you beleive your plan is fool-proof? It would have showed everyone that you were dead serious. That's what Russell did by giving the HII to Parvati. There's a very telling clip on the Insider where he talks about his plan. He did plan on giving it to Parvati well before TC.

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7. "RE: S20 Heroes vs. Villians - Love/Loathe List- Ep 6"

Absolutely people have gotten booted for isolating themselves... in the first couple weeks. Not at this stage in the game.
Colby owes his survival to Amanda. Her, Rupert and James stick to voting for Colby and there is no way JT or Candice take chances with a tie. JT and Candice already wanted James gone when Tom was voted out. The difference was Amanda.

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8. "RE: S20 Heroes vs. Villians - Love/Loathe List- Ep 6"
Rob would have looked pretty foolish if he gave away the necklace and ended up being voted out. Don't think I'd have trusted my allies that far. Russell could afford to do it because he had to shake things up or either he or Parvati was leaving.
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9. "RE: S20 Heroes vs. Villians - Love/Loathe List- Ep 6"
If Rob wasn't sure enough to give away immunity then he shouldn't have pushed for the split vote. Putting 6 votes on Danielle was the smart thing to do.

Besides, there was absolutely no urgency to flush the idol this early. You may not be able to flush two idols at F7 again but why worry at F15?

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10. "RE: S20 Heroes vs. Villians - Love/Loathe List- Ep 6"

Hindsight. How do we know Russell wouldn't give Danielle the idol? We don't.

Russell and the idol are far more dangerous than Danielle. We know that. Credit to Rob that he knows it too. The merge can come any time now. Rob needs to get rid of Russell NOW or lose the war.

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11. "RE: S20 Heroes vs. Villians - Love/Loathe List- Ep 6"
Besides, while Rob might be more or less in charge of his alliance, he's not absolute ruler. He has to get people to go along with him and the sentiment in his alliance was all for removing Parvati or Russell, not Danielle.
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13. "RE: S20 Heroes vs. Villians - Love/Loathe List- Ep 6"
Didn't you hear Tyson, in the shelter saying: "I just realized that voting Parvati..." Rob interrupted: "We have to split the votes..." He acted as absolute ruler already so that argument doesn't wash with me.

Going after Danielle would have gotten Russell and Parvati immediately after without risks. Like I said, at F15 there's no urgency.

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15. "RE: S20 Heroes vs. Villians - Love/Loathe List- Ep 6"
Part of Rob's role in his alliance; alliance spokesperson and chief enforcer. Still doesn't mean he's making all decisions by himself; especially not one that important.

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12. "RE: S20 Heroes vs. Villians - Love/Loathe List- Ep 6"
"How do we know Russell wouldn't give Danielle the idol?"

Sorry but we AND the survivors knew he wouldn't: Parvati is the one with the connections on the other side. Russell needs her SO much more than Danielle.

"Russell and the idol are far more dangerous than Danielle. We know that. Credit to Rob that he knows it too. The merge can come any time now. Rob needs to get rid of Russell NOW or lose the war."

First, Rob is the one that started the war. Idols can be flushed as easily after the merge as before. And, if a merge can arrive at 12 (which is something these Survivors, with the exception of Russell, have never seen done before and are probably not really counting on) it wouldn't happen at 13. Voting out Danielle would have flushed the idol risk-free. Then, Russell goes at F13.

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14. "RE: S20 Heroes vs. Villians - Love/Loathe List- Ep 6"
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Russell needs them both unless he has a couple more votes lined up or finds another idol. Now even more than last week. Of course if his tribe keeps winning immunity challenges none of this may matter. Don't think there's any more double eliminations lined up for a while.

The Heroes inability to win challenges is a good reason for Rob's alliance to go after the player(s) they consider threats when they have the opportunity.

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