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"Survivor Love/Loathe List v19.2"
Sorry I'm late with this; was away for the weekend. I guess I'll give it a shot and try to rank the castaways.


1) JAISON - In great position early on. Aligning with Russell H. could be his ticket to the merge. Russell possessing the HII also helps. After the merge should fare well in the challenges. And if he sticks with Russell H. until the end, he could be sitting next to the most perfect goat since Clay (S5) who sat next to winner Brian.

2) RUSSELL H. - He's a scoundrel and a jerk...but DAMN, he finds the HII without any clues!!! Major Powerplay! Still deciding whether he's that great or the others are just complete idiots. Maybe a combination of both.

3) LIZ - Nice toss in the challenge. She's got a good head on her shoulders too. Even a pig like Russell, who has zero regard for the female gender, knows to stay out of harm's way and avoid Liz. That's got to say something.

4) ERIK - Tough competitor. Could be the challenge stud this season which would sadly make him a prime victim of the Anti-Darwin Syndrome. Especially if Foa Foa loses any more players making Erik more expendable when Galu must vote someone out.

5) MICK - Was high on him after Ep. 1, but not much happening with him on Ep. 2 Being the "leader" of a tribe who's already three players down is not something to hang your hat on.

6) RUSSELL S. - I like this guy. Would rank him higher if he wasn't getting a "chubby" over Yasmin. Unfortunately I'm thinking the longer Yasmin stays in the game the worse it will be for Russell S.

Heading into Ep. 3 and I can't think of much to say about these three. It justifies the bad decision to start a season with 20 castaways

7T) KELLY - ???

7T) DAVE - ???

7T) BRETT - ???

10) ASHLEY - "Dumb short-hair Blonde." Nuff Said.

11) NATALIE - "Dumber long-hair Blonde." More than I care to care.

12) MONICA - No hesitation to sit out of the challenge. Her only "moment" thus far was being confused over writing down a name for tribe leader. HMMM...sounds like F4 material to me. *snort* Oh Brother!

13) LAURA - Sure Shambo set herself up for criticism, but what have YOU been doing other than bashing her during your confessional? Here's a bit of advice, Laura...If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem.

14) JOHN - Came off as a complete horse's a$$ when taking charge to build shelter, so not liking him thus far. Could move up if he becomes more personable.

15) SHAMBO - As Jeff said, "If you can't catch any fish with all this gear...GO HOME. So how many fish did you come back with, Shambo? Sorry, but no one on your tribe is saying "this chick rocks."

16) BEN - Totally obnoxious and not even entertaining. "Ghetto Trash" was uncalled for. He'd be low on my list even if he wasn't thrown out of a challenge.

17) YASMIN - Survivor can't be won in the first week; but it can be lost. Her trash-talking, sarcastic, and grammatically-incorrect mouth just blew any chance she has of winning. Now THAT'S a real dumb-a$$!

BOOTED EP.2) BETSY - Once again, the greatest divide in Reality Shows is age...there isn't even a close second. Consequently Betsy is the latest victim of this divide. Too bad because she's a player I probably would have liked.

MEDIVAC) MIKE - Can't understand why they didn't take Ashley's blood pressure after the challenge...isn't SHE the "weakest link?" Is this the best our crack production crew could come up with to cast a token 60+ year old? Sakes Alive!

BOOTED EP.1) MARISA - She did what she said she wouldn't do..."Mess with the pitbull." Cute as a button; dumb as a doornail. Sadly her type are a dime a dozen on Reality Shows.

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 RE: Survivor Love/Loathe List v19.2 iltarion 09-30-09 1
 RE: Survivor Love/Loathe List v19.2 michel 09-30-09 2
   RE: Survivor Love/Loathe List v19.2 garcor 09-30-09 3
   RE: Survivor Love/Loathe List v19.2 Aruba 10-01-09 4
       RE: Survivor Love/Loathe List v19.2 michel 10-01-09 5
           RE: Survivor Love/Loathe List v19.2 iltarion 10-01-09 6
               RE: Survivor Love/Loathe List v19.2 michel 10-01-09 7
           RE: Survivor Love/Loathe List v19.2 Aruba 10-01-09 8

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09-30-09, 03:31 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: Survivor Love/Loathe List v19.2"
LAST EDITED ON 09-30-09 AT 03:19 PM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 09-30-09 AT 03:34AM (EST)

My list is more of a combination of both episodes since this is my first list.

1. Mick- Naturally took to the leadership position, though wary of it. His strategic leadership appears to be UTR, and his tribe has lost the majority of challenges. But I'll give him a pass for now. He is getting enough face time to think he might go far.
2. Jaison- Young athletic guys can't play UTR no matter how much they try. He is in a great position and has all the tools. If he stops letting the Chihuahua call all his shots, then he could get the top spot.
3. Erik- Galu has been tough in challenges including great teamwork in the IC. Not sure who should get the credit for that but will give it to Erik for now.
4. Monica- Here solely for aesthetic reasons. Gorgeous. Best thing left now that Marisa is gone.
5. Brett- Young guy that might be behind much of the smarts of Galu. Tough to know for certain right now. Galu has largely been ignored.
6. Liz- I have a thing for asian women, as everyone should know, and I agree completely with Aruba. The Chihuahua didn't bother barking up this tree.
7. Russell- Hesitant leader. Too late to bulk at it now. Have to take it and run with it. Has supported his tribe like a leader though, and they have responded. Seems like a very likable guy, thus completely opposite of the other Russ.
8. Shambo- I have good news and bad news. The bad news is I didn't catch any fish. The good news is I broke the snorkel. How about them apples? Debacle, but any ex-marine is worthy of an 8 spot to start.
9. John- Like the guy for no good reason. Michael Phelps couldn't swim well in a pair of jeans. Keeping them on was the big mistake. Talk over the shelter was no big deal. He wasn't giving orders, unless you call telling everyone to take a break giving an order. He was just getting a little carried away with engineering of the shelter. A shelter is NOT a shuttle launch.
10. Laura- One funny comment. Good for 10th in this bunch.
11. Dave- Balding guy would be my guess. He appears to compete hard.
12. Kelly- Who? Will the castaway named Kelly please stand up. Another blond?
13. Ashley- the cutest of the blondes. Definitely stronger than the mean motorscooter.
14. Natalie- Another blonde, immediately figured for a fool.
15. Yasmin- Seriously might be the least attractive attractive woman in the world. Rant at Foa Foa was all time Survivor classic. Great stuff. Keep up the good work.
16. the Chihuahua- If I kick the dog, it growls at me. Does that make me a master manipulator? Or a puppetmaster? Doesn't take much to impress a little dog. A truly great player wouldn't need to discard all morals to win. That is the route of least resistance.
17. Ben- Weasel of all weasels. Calls Jeff a sissy after pulling off one of the sissiest moves of all time- the trip from behind. Tripping is illegal in every sport. Only degenerate wussbags do it. Without Jeff's "sissy rules" to protect him, Ben never trips Russell because Russell would then beat the CRAP out of him. As stupid as Yasmin is, who talks with proper grammar anyway? No one. Apparently that is the best retort our bar manager could come up with. Get these pukes off my TV!!

the dearly debooted-

Betsy- the ever predictable older woman 2nd boot
Mike- haven't heard the expression "downtown to chinatown" since circa 1986. Thanks. Somehow felt he proved himself after almost dying in a challenge.
Marisa- one of the hottest Survivors ever. Complete debacle. She was told to be honest to Russ, and so she was. Mistake was only in hindsight.

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09-30-09, 09:03 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Survivor Love/Loathe List v19.2"
Just a few comments about things not seen or shown that could make you guys reconsider.

About Shambo not catching fish, this is an insider clip from your challenge stud:

Erik describes the challenges one has to endure while fishing on the reefs

"It sucks. I'm dejected physically, I'm dejected mentally. It's like there's no fish out there...there's coral everywhere and the coral is sharp...it was razor blades...the ocean is stingy (!!!!)... and doesn't even give you a fish."

Aruba, Monica didn't volunteer to sit out, leader Russell pointed to her before she raised her arm.

And, about Liz: How can you know whether or not RussHell talked to her? We've seen 88 minutes of the 6 days they've been out there.

That being said, here's my list of the stories I've enjoyed, those I haven't and the ones I'm still waiting to see.

1- Jaison: The guy almost went to the Dark Side but he saw the light at TC.

2- Ashley: She's doing a good job narrating Foa Foa's story. Being cute and a true Survivor fan puts her up here.

3- RussHell: Hate him but really enjoy his determination to take control. A scoundrel for sure but a clever one.

4- Shambo: Being in Samoa, she figured that she should tackle like Troy Polamalu. One thing though: Catch fish first, talk after.

5- RusSwell: Rarely has a strong guy been this paranoid this early. I'm always interested in seeing how leadership is handled and his tribe is happy... for now.

6- Liz: She rushed over to RussHell to throw Ashley under the bus. Good strategy but not admirable conduct. If booting out the weak goes on, how far down the line can she be?

7- Monica: She seems to have her head in the game but how can we know for sure.

8- Mick: As leader, I found him spineless, especially when he defended Ben at TC. His alliance was with Marisa, Mike and Betsy: Way to Go! Leader!?!?

A Tribe in waiting:

9- Erik: My pre-season pick has been left on the editing room floor.

10- Kelly: Is she trouble or will she be in trouble?

11- Natalie: She's beautiful but that doesn't give her a story.

12- Laura: How many fish have you caught?

13- Brett: CBS decided that the T-shirt designer wouldn't get free publicity!

14- John: Galu hates your shelter.

15- Dave: Down here for his pre-season interview since CBS has had the good sense to shut him up.

The Dumb Players:

16- Yasmin: Her rants were funny but horrible game play. Monica's line in an insider clip about sending Yasmin to Foa Foa to drive them crazy was hilarious.

17- Ben: Brute. No game plan except finding food.

I was sorry to see Betsy go.

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3. "RE: Survivor Love/Loathe List v19.2"
will only list those I can identify, so this should not take long:

1) Galu Russell- seems like a pretty nice guy and tribe has been successful so far.

2) Shambo - tough in physical challenges. hopefully will not brag about fishing prowess again.

3) Jaison - seems pretty impressive physically and appears to be trying to play the game. not sure if he has the type of sneaky smarts to deal with Foa Foa Russell or if he will end up badly outmanipulated.

4) Foa Foa Russell - ticked he got Marisa voted out, but hardly his fault if many of his fellow tribesmates appear unwilling to think for themselves.

5) John - haven't heard much from him since shelter building outbursts largely ignored by tribesmates.

6) Mick - haven't heard much from him either. doesn't appear very comfortable as leader.

7) Yasmin - can't wait to hear what she says this week. they should give her two minute confessionals each week or even better keep sending her back to Foa Foa to provide inspiration.

8) Ben - don't like him, but to be fair someone from Foa Foa had to respond to Yasmin. might be one of the team's problems that no one else did and Ben only responded because she cornered him for some one on one criticism.

Gone:

9) Marisa - seemed to have head in the game and was trying to play hard. also very pretty so sad to see her go.

10) Betsy - also seemed to have head in the game and was trying to play hard. Pretty astute judge of her Russell's as well. also shame to see her go.

11) Was it Mike? - given his physical condition, he shouldn't have been arguing to keep people based on strength. to be fair challenge seemed designed to get someone hurt.

Show seems to be falling into more and more of a pattern of searching for interesting "TV personality's." Coach and Tyson last year; now Russell, Ben and Yasmin. Good or bad idea?

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4. "RE: Survivor Love/Loathe List v19.2"
Hey Michel...how have you been?

Thanks for the tidbit on Erik. My comment on Shambo's futile attempt to catch fish was based on Jeff's statement that if you couldn't catch any fish with all that gear..."GO HOME." Factoring in that comment with Shambo's claim that there are "hundreds of thousands of fish" seems to reek of contradictions if you put any stock in the Insider Clip. Which is why I rarely do nor do I even venture into the Spoiler Forum. I stick to what we know.


Yes you are correct, Monica raised her hand AFTER Russsell pointed to her... but not before she spun her head around like Linda Blair in the Exorcist and looked right at him as if to say:

OOOO OOOO PICK ME, PICK ME....PLEEEEASE!!!

At least that's the way I saw it. And if I saw what I saw that pretty much falls under the category of "volunteer" in my book.


Last, but not least... LOL LOL ... After the second episode and you're already playing the "edit card" faster than Phil Hellmuth plays pocket aces at the World Series of Poker tournament!

The challenge of debating the ole edit card tactic is it forces one to have to disprove something that may or may not have occurred...which is nearly impossible. Yes Survivor is edited...movies are edited...TV shows are edited...even sporting events are edited...DAMN, almost everything is edited!

In Ep. 1 a main storyline was Russell H. making deals with the women of Foa Foa. We see him making alliances with Ashley, Natalie, Betsy, and Marisa. There's little doubt in my mind if a deal or alliance was made with Liz we would have seen that also..."edit card" or not.

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10-01-09, 08:05 AM (EST)
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5. "RE: Survivor Love/Loathe List v19.2"
"I stick to what we know."

That's just it: We know close to nothing, especially if we only watch the show. So I can't judge people unless they are as vulgar as Ben. I stick to the stories.

Instead of doing a "Linda Blair", don't you suppose that the sit-out had been decided at camp after the tribe read tree mail?

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10-01-09, 04:51 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Survivor Love/Loathe List v19.2"
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I have to agree with michel here. (hello, michel) Monica had the look of someone already knowing it was her that was sitting out. Plus, I never criticize women for sitting out team challenges as long as they are not sitting out EVERY challenge. Lastly, we don't need Monica marring her pretty face for a collection of stiffs. I'm sure Galu agrees.
Also, I don't see any worth to Erik's clip. He was apparently just blowing off steam or talking some BS. Obviously, there are plenty of fish in the sea.


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7. "RE: Survivor Love/Loathe List v19.2"
Hi Iltarion,

I simply brought Erik's clip to show that Shambo wasn't the only one who failed to catch fish.

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8. "RE: Survivor Love/Loathe List v19.2"
You're right Michel, we know very little. But I would rather focus on the little fact we know as opposed to a whole lot of ASSumptions that may or may not be true.

As far as Monica is concerned, I was responding to your statement that Monica sat out only after leader Russell pointed to her. I apologize if I misinterpreted but the way you wrote it one might think the decision to sit out Monica was a unilateral decision made by "leader" Russell. No way do I think Russell made that decision on his own. He either feed off Monica's eye contact or it was decided beforehand at camp.

I was giving Monica the benefit of the doubt by saying she volunteered. Perhaps I'm guilty of overanalyzing but why would a tribe decide to sit someone out BEFORE knowing what the heck the challenge entails??? What until Jeff explains the challenge and THEN make the decision. OH wait a minute...that would make too much sense...silly me!

If it was decided beforehand than it does not say too much for Monica that they would sit her out WITHOUT the slightest bit of knowledge what the challenge is. Even in hindsight, Iltarion's mind could be at ease even if she did participate because I doubt she would mar her pretty face just standing on a ledge and tossing balls.

On the other hand a tagteam mud wrestling challenge pitting Monica/Kelly against Natalie/Ashley could be pay-per-view material!!!

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