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"Love/Loathe List - Episode 12"
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05-08-09, 04:10 PM (EST)
 
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"Love/Loathe List - Episode 12" |
Forget the blindsides; this has to go down as the season with the most castaways who had NO idea they were being saved. Generally I got my insulin ready when I know the "Loved Ones" episode is being aired. But I kinda dug this one. Sure there were a few sappy moments, but as a result of Benji's "honesty" back at home we got our first look at the new head coach for the Southwest Baptist Unversity women's soccer team.1) STEPHEN (1,1,3,2,2,3,3,4,3) - DUH, who else? Slow and steady wins the race. I'm going to agree with Michel if Stephen can pull off a win this season, I'd rank him as one of the best Survivor players. 2) JT (3,3,2,3,7,4,6,6,1) - What a formidable partnership he's formed with Stephen. If both JT and Stephen feel they can beat each other in the Finals, it would go down as the best F2 ever. I can only hope. EDDIE GEORGE - OK, I know he's not a player. That's why he has no ranking number, but I had to put him higher than the other Bozos left in the game. His commentaries enhanced the episode. And if "fetal position" Erinn was allowed to accompany the George's on EI, perhaps she could have picked up a few pointers on starting a fire quickly from a guy who was only in the game for a couple hours. 3) TAJ (5,6,4,5,5,2,2,5,4) - I'm trying real hard to wrap my mind around this...the way I saw it Taj had two choices. A) Have Eddie come back to camp where the likes of JT and Coach would have been starstruck rubbing shoulders with a pro football superstar and millionaire only reinforcing Taj does not need the money. A bad situation made worse by preventing the others from seeing their loved ones, or B) Husband and wife spend quality time together. Granted EI is no paradise getaway, but it would make more sense for spouses to have alone time AND the other players get to be with their loved ones. Golly Gee Production...could you have made the decision any easier for Taj???
But the reason I'm moving her up is she provided a classic scene that may result in Jeff needing rotator cuff surgery when she darn near yanked his left shoulder out of its socket. 4) BENJI (2,4,6,8,8,9,9,11,9) - Is there anything more we can say about this anomaly? Got a kick out of Jeff asking him at TC who calls him "Dragonslayer?" Of course the only reply Benji provides can be interpreted that he continues to live vicariously through himself. If he does not win immunity next episode, I can't see him making the F4. 5) ERINN (6,5,7,9,10T,10,11,12,11) - Her "story" AKA prophecy continues to be told. In all likelihood she'll join a long list of lame F4 advancers. Not the least bit surprising; only disappointing. BOOTED) DEBBIE (4,2,5,6,6,8,7,13,14) - OK, so she overplayed her hand. But she was astute enough to know Taj is being carried by Stephen and JT. IMHO I feel her F3 promise was not so much to throw Coach under the bus as it was to toss Taj off Steve and JT's coattails and take her place. But it really doesn't matter much now. Kudos for exiting with class. THE JURY SIERRA - Her obnoxious and annoying behavior at TC should leave absolutely NO doubt why Stephen and JT spearheaded her boot last episode. TYSON - This dude is chomping on the bit so hard I'm afraid he may swallow his tougue. We wouldn't want that to happen because I expect fireworks from him at FTC. BRANDON - Is there a cannister of laughing gas back at the Ponderosa that "Mr. Giggles" sucks on right before he comes to every TC???
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05-08-09, 06:48 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Love/Loathe List - Episode 12" |
1. Taj -- I loved her reaction to getting a message from her husband -- and especially the fact that no one bothered to compete with her for it! And she did the right thing in allowing the others to spend time with their loved ones as well!2. Stephen -- nice job at the Immunity Challenge! 3. J.T. -- I like him. 4. Erinn -- just tagging along, but she's safe for now unless Coach the Jerk wins Immunity. 5. Coach the Jerk -- doomed. And I'm looking forward to his demise. Aren't you? Voted out: Debbie. Overplayed her hand and she's out. Too bad. Belle Book
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2. "RE: Love/Loathe List - Episode 12" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-08-09 AT 08:40 PM (EST)1) Stephen and JT: If they don't turn on one another and end up at final TC together, perhaps they should just declare it a tie and split the money. They sure seem to be playing as one, very good player: Stephen providing strategy; JT likeability and challenge ability and both making accurate judgments about their fellow players. Smart thinking by Stephen in the IC. 2) Taj: Very appealing this week. Suppose she will most likely stick with JT/Stephen hoping they take her with her as far as possible, but could see her being amenable to moving out one or the other in the right circumstances. 3) Coach: The Assistant Coach visit "I'm running this game you know" was hilarious. Assuming he is still the perfect person to take to final TC I could see him surviving another week or even to final two/three. An advantage for Stephen/JT in keeping him around is Coach has appeared more suggestible than Erinn or Taj. If he should win final four IC, they might be able to talk him into staying loyal to the warrior's alliance. And as he's already voted against Taj, if they take out Erinn at final five, Stephen/JT could try to persuade her it was Coach's idea and they needed to keep him loyal for fear he might try targeting one of them. 4) Erinn: Has suddenly become very expendable. Figure she is the most likely of the three to try to suggest moving on JT/Stephen. Can she make it happen? Kind of doubt it. Not sure she would feel comfortable having to rely on Coach; given their unfriendly relationship and his delusional belief in the warriors alliance. Might make it more likely she would try to talk Stephen into going after JT (or vice versa.) Taj might go for that; not sure Stephen or JT would.
GONE: Debbie: She was obviously willing to say anything to stay in the game. I would say turn on anyone but she should have realized Coach was a lost cause as a player a good bit earlier.
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05-09-09, 02:50 AM (EST)
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3. "RE: Love/Loathe List - Episode 12" |
Very predictable episode including the infamous family visit that allowed me to ffwd thru a lot of the episode. Episode would have turned out interesting if Coach would have won immunity because then we would have likely seen who the boot after Coach might be. Instead, a non-Coach or Debbie win made it inevitable it was going to be one of them two.1. Stephen- Still has a great read on the situation and summed up in his own words what I've been saying for weeks. He and JT are in control and no one even seems to notice. Added an IC win to his resume to show he isn't a pure social player, though Jeff gave him way too much props for remembering ten symbols. A phone number with the area code is ten symbols and is actually more difficult to remember with each character being one of ten possibilities. Here, Stephen had to remember a ten character sequence with each character being only 1 in four possibilities. Easier than remembering a phone number. What Terry did in EI, which was under water and involved symbols with unlimited possibilities was far more difficult, and I don't remember Jeff going nuts about that.
2. JT - I actually now believe Stephen just might be too attached to JT to cut him before the Finals. If he can win a vote, he can probably win this. He is winning the fan favorite, hands down. So he is getting at least that. I was glad to see that he at least regretted lying.
3. Taj - Appears to be back in tight with Stephen and JT, which is a good place to be. In fact, I don't think she has any chance to win, which makes her the perfect person to take to the Finals. The decision regarding the loved ones was a no decision so no credit for that.
4. Erin- Appears to be 4th on the totem pole, with next week's preview only making that more likely. But 4th means one move from the end, and it is conceivable she could win a vote. She was looking ROUGH during the first half of the episode. Then she braided her hair and was looking much better for the 2nd half.
5. Coach- Finally made his way even to the bottom of my list. For me, he crossed the line from entertaining to just annoying this week. I have no idea what he's talking about with the "change the game from beginning to the end" bit. If anyone knows what he's talking about, let me know. He truly seems to believe in what he is saying and has a certain amount of conviction just because of that. But if he still believes Stephen and JT are in the palm of his hand, then he truly is delusional. He stayed loyal to Debbie when she bailed on him, so props to him for that. schools out Debbie- Well, I'm probably wrong more often than I'm right on here, but I hit this one on the head. She played too hard and got herself booted. If she tries the UTR approach, she would still be around. She was desperate rather than smart though. Desperate people are tough to trust. Look, here's the smart play: why not go to Taj and Erinn and target JT? Don't turn on Coach. That just makes you look untrustworthy. JT would beat any of the women in a vote, most likely. Coach probably beats no one. Why vote him out? Why allow Stephen and JT to decide the Finals and why face either of them if you don't have to? She should have offered Taj and Erinn a chance to take control of the game, and they should have taken it if she did.
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05-09-09, 02:42 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Love/Loathe List - Episode 12" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-09-09 AT 02:43 PM (EST)As it becomes more and more accepted that lying, deceiving, and betraying are part of the game, though I regularly point out that THAT is not written anywhere, we've seen fewer and fewer jury members who refuse to vote for an alliance-mate because they betrayed them. At this late point in the game, having gone as far as they have, I seriously doubt Stephen or JT would vote for Debbie or Erinn over Taj, regardless of what Taj did. I've already pointed out that Taj has very little chance of winning, but don't you think her chances of winning a Debbie-Erinn-Taj F3 is better than winning a JT-Stephen-Taj F3? I think that is a no brainer, but I give her credit for staying loyal to her original alliance as I would to anyone. >
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05-12-09, 05:37 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: Love/Loathe List - Episode 12" |
Iltarion,"Sour Grapes" have been a major determinant in Jury decisions...always has been; always will. Personally if I were on the Jury my vote would be based on who was the most proactive and best Survivor player that season in the true spirit of the word "Survivor"...Period. But historically we know votes don't go that way. Getting back at someone who did you wrong isn't so much about playing the game of Survivor as much as it's a basic fiber in human nature. For some individuals that fiber runs deeper than for others, but a player would be remiss to not consider this emotion when making a decision in the game. In Marquesas Pappy and Neleh made a post-merge flip changing the course of the game. When Neleh sat at FTC jury members said straight-out they would not vote for her due to her (and Pappy's) flip. This handed the win to Vecepia, the quinessential UTR player. Progressing to a middle season do I even bother asking the rhetorical question if Amb"a"s victory was a result of the vengeful reaction to Rob M's lying, deceitful behavior, and backstabbing? Looking at a recent season, no one can convince otherwise the Cirie' vote for Perv-ati in Skankivor: Micronesia was sour grapes against your favorite Survivor gal when Amanda's sole vote took Cirie out of the game. As for your hypothetical situation...if a female F3 formed and systematically picked off JTand Stephen next...Yes, I personally feel Stephen would vote against Taj. JT, I'm not so sure about. But one thing is for sure; Steve would have a few days on the Ponderosa to be whispering in JT's ear and influencing him one way or the other. And we don't have to go any further back than last season to know voting blocs have been established in Sequesterville. Of course this is all hypothetical and we'll never know. Taj's only chance at winning (and a slim chance at that) is to continue playing the "I am not directly responsible for any of you sitting on the Jury" card and remain likable.
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05-10-09, 01:06 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Love/Loathe List - Episode 12" |
1) STEPHEN (4,5,6,2,2,2,3,2,1,1)- Our nerdy city boy has become a warrior like Coach said but he is also becoming a little bit arrogant with his talk of dominating position and people begging him. Watch out Stephen, there are predators lurking.
Winning immunity didn't matter but, as far as performance is concerned, I put more weight on what the people who were there had to say.
This is from Jeff's blog:
"What Stephen did was jaw dropping amazing. We rehearsed that challenge several times. Our smartest guys practiced that challenge. Nobody came close to memorizing the numbers in one pass. Stephen...like a mad scientist starts scribbling numbers down as fast as he can.... I couldn’t believe he had it right... Our crew was talking about that for a couple of days."
2) ERINN (7,1,1,4,3,2,3,2,2)- Interesting that JT and Stephen tell her that Debbie wants to take THEM to the F2 and it's Erinn that says: "She has to go" and THEY listen.
Here also, I prefer the opinion of people who were there:
Jeff, talking about Timbira's decimation: "When Erinn turned, so did the game."
3) JT (3,4,3,5,5,4,1,3,3,3)- Still no immunity necklace for JT, just more lies. The guy plays a good game! However, I can see a time when JT will not think it's just as good when it's Stephen who wins immunity. The last 2 episodes have started with JT unable to make fire. I think it means something. 4) TAJ (9,6,4,6,6,6,4,5,4)- Her emotions were fun to watch. OH! By the way, she started the fire for JT.
5) Coach (8,8,11,10,10,9,7,7,6)- He still thought he was running the whole show!! The fun thing is that he can take Jeff's best punches without blinking. I think this vote finally opened Coach's eyes. Booted) DEBBIE (12,13,8,8,8,7,6,4,5)- Debbie proved that she was 3 votes behind. She didn't lose the game this week or last but when she went along with the Brendan vote. The jury: I was laughing so much when I saw them entering the Council area with a jacket on their shoulder and feathers in their hair to mock Coach. HILARIOUS! 
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05-13-09, 06:07 AM (EST)
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18. "RE: Love/Loathe List - Episode 12" |
>Would you say Bob and Yau Man had such low IQs? No...I would say they probably had high IQs. Know what else I would say...both men won more than their fair share of challenges. Actually I believe both won the most challenges during their respective seasons. Did they win EVERY challenge? Of course not so it's rather unjust to focus on the few they lost as opposed mentioned all the ones they won...but I'm not surprised a champion for the "weak and opposed" would go that route. It wasn't a case of Bob not being able to figure out an equation as much as Kenny (a castaway who probably would also score well on an IQ test) was able to figure it out before him. The mix n' match challenge was a TEAM challenge for Yau Man. As much as I appropriately sing Yau's praises as the challenge stud in Fiji, he was unfortunately placed on statistically the most pathetically worst team in Survivor history--they officially went "0-fer". Consequently they became more and more malnurished, dehydrated, and not only physically, but mentally unstable. So I give a Yau a pass on this one. He more than proved his worth went he was able to disassociate himself from those casting blunders and losers.
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05-14-09, 08:18 AM (EST)
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24. "RE: Love/Loathe List - Episode 12" |
I have no problem saying that Terry was excellent in challenges and that Tom was a very good player overall. Still, both needed many attempts in those challenges, Stephen, only 1.
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05-14-09, 04:44 PM (EST)
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26. "RE: Love/Loathe List - Episode 12" |
HMMMM I thought Terry got it on his first attempt??? Don't remember for sure; but I do know he had to hold this breath underwater while trying to memorize which is a much tougher task.
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05-10-09, 11:58 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Love/Loathe List - Episode 12" |
Glurk - I arrived home on Thursday to find out only to find out that I wasn't recording. I finally started watching about half way thru ... about the time JP said, "C'mon in guys" ... for the IC. I would watch it, but Global wasn't showing the ep - if they even do this season (yup, I'm a Canadian from Calgary).But... 1 - Stephen(1,1B,3,2,2,3,3,2) - before the season Jeff said, "Stephen is going to have a big job to integrate well. There's a feeling on this season of 'young...kind of hip'. And Stephen's a little outside of that. He's a little more of an intellect. And if he can use those skills in the right way, I think he could do really well." At exile Stephen had a great growing moment. He still lacks athleticism, but his intellect is running this game. 2 - JT (2,1A,2,3,3,2,7,1) - Jeff said, "Like-able kid. Runs a ranch. He knows what hard work is. I think JT is OK being by himself, which is also good out here 'cause there's a lot of lonely nights. I think JT's gonna get flirted with...and probably do some heavy flirting himself." Didn't see the flirting much, but the hard work and like-ability factors have put him in a power position. Finding the split in Timbits and exploiting it was a brilliant move and changed the season. 3 - Taj (3,5,6,5,6,6,5,5) - Jeff said, "Taj is going to have a little bit of work to do because of appearances. I think that happy smile only goes so far and then people are going to start looking at her. And if she starts hanging her head low and saying: 'this is getting me down', she's an easy one to vote out. The flip side on Taj is she's so likeable. If people find out she's married to a former NFL player, that could work against her. 'Cause people like to look at success as a reason to get rid of you." We really haven't that much of Taj's game-play lately, but we know it's been happening because the time between challenges gives everyone a chance to go off and talk. Paranoid people probably would never make F5. And she knew early in the game who to align with. 4 - the Deluded One(6,7,8,9,11,12,13,14) - Jeff said, "Benjamin. Hands down one of the most fascinating guys that's been on the show. He is so full of himself. And he's full of himself like Richard Hatch was. He wants to take the best to the end. And he believes he's one of the best...and there are 3 others. And he's gonna get 'em together and we're gonna run this game and we'll duke it out. I wouldn't want my sister to date him...but I love him on Survivor." JP is as deluded as Coach, and certainly fans haven't given him the love that JP thought he would get. However, I moved him to 4th - ahead of Erinn - just to do something different than Coach, and that is to change my mind ... about placing him last all season. The jury bringing jackets and wearing feathers was a great laugh ... and Benji probably thought it was to honor him.
5 - Erinn(5,4,5,8,8,7,11,10) - Jeff said, "Erinn I'm on the fence on. She's got to make a first impression....that is: 'I'm a worker'. Right away. 'Cause otherwise, I think you look at her and you might judge her as a pretty girl who's gonna fade early. So that would be my advice: 'pick up the heaviest thing you can and start walking'."
It must be remembered that she did fade early, she was about to be voted off when Jerry's illness saved her - NOT her game-play. She lasted to merge because Timbit won IC's ...again not anything Erinn did individually. Knowing that she was an outcast at Timbits she flipped at merge, and as Debbie said everyone at Timbits knew it. When you do the obvious it's not good play. She is benefiting from others having 'fish to fry.' Sent to detention - Debra - Jeff said, "Debra's interesting because she's quote unquote an older woman this season. But she doesn't act like one. And her life experience of working with kids all the time as a Principal also helps keep her young. I mean look at how she dresses and how she wears her hair. She has a very young energy. The question is will she get labeled with a first impression of: 'eh...she's the old woman, let's get rid of her'. Or will people think 'she's got a lot of energy, she's got a lot of vitality, maybe we should keep her around'." Got in a good alliance early, but didn't notice when to change.
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05-13-09, 03:52 PM (EST)
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20. "RE: Love/Loathe List - Episode 12" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-13-09 AT 03:59 PM (EST)haha... great list, BRF.
You know they say impersonation is the greatest form of flattery. I'm sure Coach is pleased as a two-tailed dog that the jury went thru all the trouble over him. Being ignored would be far harder for Coach to take.
Regardless of the stress of competition making it harder, I was saying during the challenge that someone should take their time and commit all the symbols to memory at once. Again, it was merely 2 sequences of 5. A SSN is a sequence of 9 for goshsake. Anyway, nothing against Stephen, who is a smart player, but his feat wasn't nearly as hard as what Terry did. Just memorizing something while holding your breath underwater is a whole different gambit.
And regarding Aruba's post about whether bitterness still determines votes, I'm talking about recent history here, not ancient history when we know bitterness determined not only votes but winners. Bitterness might have had something to do with Cerie's vote, but she also was friends with Parvati. It isn't like she voted for someone outside of her alliance. >
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21. "RE: Love/Loathe List - Episode 12" |
>Bitterness might
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>with Cerie's vote, but she
>also was friends with Parvati.
>It isn't like she voted
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Make no mistake about it...had the Perv won that final IC and voted Cirie out, Cirie's vote would have went to Amanada at FTC for the same exact reason.
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