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"Season 8 Timings/Locations Thread #2"
LAST EDITED ON 08-03-05 AT 11:55 AM (EST)

This time we're really racing real-time against the racers, so here we go!

Updated for the Costa Rica Travel Agency spoiler.


Image from GlobeXplorer. Wonderful site!

SOHO, NEW YORK CITY, NEW YORK, USA
By Tribefan on Tarflies
Time: Morning, Thursday 7 July 2005
1. 3 families at Eastern Mountain Sports.
2. One of them black, other two white.
3. One with young child.
4. Each family in an SUV.
5. Car-plates from different states. One New Jersey, one Michigan.

Eastern Mountain Sports is located on 591 Broadway, at the intersection of Houston Street. The shop specializes in sport and outdoor apparel. TAR has had tasks making teams go to shops to pick up gear (TAR5 Calgary, edited out), so this may be a likely task. This information fits in with the Huntsville spoiler below, claiming that the race started on Thursday.

HOPEWELL TOWNSHIP, NEW JERSEY, USA
By various posters over several forums, including DingoDan on Tarflies
Time: Thursday 7 July 2005
1. Washington Crossing Bridge closed.
2. Information from New Jersey radio station 101.5FM.
3. Explicit mention of The Amazing Race filming.
4. Filming expected to end before 6pm.

Fits in nicely with the first and next spoiler, but why would a radio station get wind of this, and announce it publicly?

DELAWARE RIVER, NEW JERSEY & PENNSYLVANIA, USA
Can't find primary source, reported by Ecdubfan on Survivor Sucks
Time: Thursday 7 July 2005
1. Caravan.
2. Mention of cluebox and tasks.
3. Unhelpful staff and cordoned off areas.
4. Alleged filming of tourism video.
5. Rowing of 'George Washington' across Delaware.
6. Six teams of four seen.

The visitor's center is on the intersection of Routes 32 and 532. I'll try to get a satellite image to try to match the places mentioned.

VIETNAM MEMORIAL, WASHINGTON DC, DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, USA
By 1963Mustang on Survivor Sucks, reported here by Nomipomi
Time: About 11am, Friday 8 July 2005
1. Team with man, woman and two girls running from Vietnam Memorial to Korean Memorial.
2. Talked to a ranger, who was asked to sign confidentiality papers.
3. Ranger says their excuse was a 'tourism video'.
4. Cameramen and sound men seen.

The evidence seems to be strong, but a die-hard fan will know about the way TAR works with two crew members, confidentiality papers and the 'video' alibi. Fits in really nicely with the Dulles spoiler below.

RONALD REAGAN AIROPRT, ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA, USA
By Beau_20 on Thread #1
Time: About 11 to 11.30am, Friday 8 July 2005
1. Team seen from metro line running out of car.
2. Cameraman spotted.
3. Car marked with yellow and black flag.

Thanks Beau_20! I'll go check up on whatever's nearby. Could it be Crystal City? (Is it even an attraction?)

DULLES, WASHINGTON DC, DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, USA
By T2 on TWoP
Time: About 7.45pm, Saturday 9 July 2005
1. Phil checking into United flight.
2. Phil with three 'production-types'.
3. Group lining up for business-class seats.

Would make sense given the above Vietnam Memorial spoiler, and this throws Toronto into the out-of-sync category. Something suspicious is that Phil has mentioned several times that he travels by Economy class. Why the change now?

ALBERTA, CANADA
By Rothschild on Thread #1
Time: In the near future
1. This will be the 51st state!

Little more information is given, so I cannot certify the authenticity of this spoiler. Did you get the information your uncle, who is a White House correspondant's cameraman? Random polls on people in Alberta seem to suggest that not much political activity is going on in plain sight, could that be CBS keeping everything under wraps? Or could this be a decoy? Could it be Nunavut instead?

SOUTH CAROLINA, USA
By The Huntsville Times
Time: Monday 11 July 2005
1. Teams took a bus to Huntsville, Alabama.

This is rather credible information, read on for more of my two cents.

MOUNT PLEASANT, CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA, USA
By Scwriter on Thread #1
Time: Monday 11 July 2005

Despite the lack of information, this spoiler goes well with the one above. Date fits nicely too.

SPACE CENTER, HUNTSVILLE, ALABAMA, USA
By The Huntsville Times, reported here by Nomipomi; also by Ripley68 on TWoP; also by the New York Times
Time: Early Morning to Afternoon, Tuesday 12 July 2005
1. Teams arrived on two buses from South Carolina.
2. Teams headed to Huntsville-Madison County Convention & Visitors Bureau, 500 Church St on Tuesday morning from midnight to 4am.
3. 8 to 10 GMC Yukons left the parking lot for the U.S. Space & Rocket Center.
4. There were tasks involving the Aviation Challenge centrifuge, running to rocket park and the computer station at the Space Center.
5. The Space Center is possibly the Pitstop.
6. The Huntsville Marriot is the Pitstop hotel.
7. Clueboxes put on display only when necessary.
8. Only one team has been eliminated since the start.
9. There are still eleven teams this time.

After having so many spoilers with minimal information, we finally chance upon a generous one. Two separate spoilers basically saying the same thing, with the Pitstop description, the hotel, and the buses. Newspaper reports have rarely failed us. (I can't recall a time when they have.) I'll reckon this is the most reliable spoiler by far.

TALLADEGA, ALABAMA, USA
By The Huntsville Times, reported here by Nomipomi
Time: Tuesday 12 July 2005
1. Teams arrive from Huntsville.

From the same article as the Huntsville spoiler, so their reliability is linked.

POMP'S PILLAR, BILLINGS, MONTANA, USA
By FlamingCactusIT on Thread #1
Time: Unknown

Too little information to tell, but the locations mentioned (including the two below) are all local attractions, and are in line with the type of places that TPTB would send teams to.

CM RUSSELL ART MUSEUM, GREAT FALLS, MONTANA, USA
By FlamingCactusIT on Thread #1
Time: Unknown

Please read above.

UNDERGROUND MALL, HAVRE, MONTANA, USA
By FlamingCactusIT on Thread #1
Time: Unknown
1. Location has purple squares on sidewalk.

Please read above. Havre seems to be the most famous, if not only, place in Montana with purple squares on the sidewalk. It's for ventilation in a historical underground mall.

BARRO COLORADO, PANAMA
By Antennapedia on TWoP
Time: Saturday 16 to Sunday 17 July 2005
1. Americans spotted in white vans.
2. One team speaks French.
3. Cameras abound.
4. Teams were looking for the Smithsonian Tropical Research Institute's boat dock.

As the racecourse veers south, one wonders why they cut through the entire Eastern coast and skips the entire western half of the United States. It's a second-hand source and descriptions are quite generic, there is a possibility that it's a hoax. Also, the witness sounds like an American ('doing field work'), so he should probably know about the race and how it works. Anyway, the Institute is on Barro Colorado Island, off Colon (where the Panama Canal ends) and not that really far way from Panama City.

INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, SAN JOSE, COSTA RICA
By SWALoveField on Airliners.net
Time: Wednesday 20 or Thursday 21 July 2005
1. Phil spotted with female companion.
2. Phil claims he is on vacation.
3. Phil seemed guarded and sly.

Not impossible, given the other locations spoilered in Central America. Costa Rica remains a popular holiday destination for Americans. The excuse sounds real enough, and we do know that Phil travels with Bertram and Elise, who could be the female companion. Timing is also just right.

COSTA RICA
By Amazing_Racer on Metropolis Forums
Time: Unknown
1. Travel agency says teams booked a bus into jungle.
2. Teams did a Roadblock or Detour in the jungle.

Not much weight on this, since it did come after the believable Phil-sighting in Costa Rica. Also, I'm not sure if the travel agency will leak out such information out of the blue. People racers talk to have to sign release papers too, don't they?

BELIZE
By Evening on TWoP
Time: Unknown
1. Producer comments 'they will be here in July'.
2. When asked about Survivor: Guatemala, producer says 'the other one'.

Filming production leaks seem to be the most reliable. That's where I got information for the Singapore leg of TAR3 as well. If it's a personal contact, all the more likely it will happen. However, we don't know if it's another production that will film in Central America in July. However, some credance is added to the spoiler when rumours about the race being halted states racers being held in Belize.

MONTREAL, QUEBEC, CANADA
By Bubbles442 on this board; also by ACGuy on Thread #1
Time: Afternoon, Saturday 30 July 2005
1. Crew sighted.
2. Teams rumoured to be around for the weekend.
3. Bubbles442 got some news from his/her supervisors.
4. There are five teams left at this point.
5. A team flew in from Chicago on NW1792, departing 9.00am and arriving in St. Paul at 10.34am, then departing again at 1.32pm and arriving 4.58pm in Montreal.
6. Other teams flew in through Toronto, on AC418 departing 4.00pm, arriving 5.10pm in Montreal. Not much difference there.
7. Flight from Toronto urged to leave on time as "crew was on board".

Fits in great with the Toronto spoiler! And we still have time to catch them in action. The problem: which came first, Montreal or Toronto? Also, ACGuy, are you ACCargo on this page? You seem to posting the exact same things.

QUEEN'S QUAY AND REES ROAD, TORONTO, ONTARIO, CANADA
By Romahnator on this board
Time: 11.30am, Saturday 30 July 2005
1. Team escorted by Romahnator to the Toronto Harbourfront to find the schooner Kajama.
2. Crew was around and Bertram appeared later.
3. No other team arrived for the next few hours.
4. CN Tower and Montreal overheard as later destinations.
5. Kids spotted.
6. Kajama cruises were affected by the race.

Strange to see the race pop back so close to where it started. It could mean a circular route though, and it's about time the race wrapped up. It's almost confirmed now, with the detailed descriptions, several sightings and the wonderful picture from BuffaloNY; this could potentially be a Final Five team. Some crazy spitballing, but why does this remind me so much of the fisrt leg of the Fantasy Race I had after TAR4, where the teams visited the Harbourfront, CN Tower and Niagara Falls?

DOWNTOWN, TORONTO, ONTARIO, CANADA
By Dave on TARflies
Time: Unknown
1. Teams approached an ice-cream stand.
2. Four girls and a family of four spotted.
3. Teams directed to Boston.

Not too reliable or concrete information, and the Boston clue does not fit well with all the other spoilers we've had so far.

TERRAPIN POINT, NIAGARA FALLS, ONTARIO, CANADA
By BuffaloNY on this thread; also by DrEmphy on Survivor Sucks
Time: 1.30pm, Saturday 30 or Sunday 31 July 2005
1. Clue box, with photographic evidence, sighted next to Horseshoe Falls.
2. Two teams are neck-and-neck, a third team is behind.
3. Team with two daughters is the last team to arrive.
4. After reading a Route Marker, the last team ran up a steep hill.
5. Cluebox was removed after the last team arrived.

I won't argue with photographs, this one looks really authentic! All the shadows are in the right places, and the dimensions are definitely correct. The hours of operation sign (Opens at 9.00am) do seem out-of-sync with what we have seen before, they usually are more professional-looking. SurvivorSucks posters claim that the sign has always been there. This spoiler pretty much backs the Toronto and Montreal sightings. Dates are all over the place though.

JOSEPH DAVIS STATE PARK, NIAGARA FALLS, NEW YORK, USA
By DrEmphy on Survivor Sucks
Time: Saturday 30 or Sunday 31 July 2005
1. Crew overheard to be going there.
2. Park heavily barricaded and guarded by cops and guards.

Since this goes with the previous few spoilers, I wouldn't put too much doubt on it yet. It seems logical for the race to head back to the United States to end off. There is a big possibility that this is a decoy, though.

TEAM SPOILERS
Nomipomi has raised the issue about Palpatine on Survivor Sucks claiming to have his son's family on FART (Family: Amazing Race, The). If we see a heavily-tattooed man, that's our guy, according to Palpatine.
1963Mustang suggests there is a team of a white man, woman and two girls in the race in Washington DC. They wore matching orange outfits on that day.
DrEmphy from SurvivorSucks says that the Final Three teams consist of three white families, each with two children. One contains a couple (light-haired woman) and two daughers, one about 17, the other about 12.
Dave of TARflies has seen a normal family of four and a group of four girls.

DISNEYWORLD, ORLANDO, FLORIDA, USA (Out-of-Sync)
By Codeqazplm on Forumsnet
Time: Friday 3 to Wednesday 8 June 2005
1. Teams wet.
2. Backpacks with tags.
3. Team with 'father, mother and two kids'.

Extremely vague information and incoherent with the bulk of the rest of the spoilers. Also, the start of June seems to early for the race with holiday differences in various states.

AIRPORT, DAYTONA BEACH, FLORIDA, USA (Out-of-Sync)
By Boxsir on Survivor Sucks
Time: Unknown
1. Cover-up people leaking information.

The lack of information on the date and source of information make this spoiler not as reliable as we hope it to be. However, this will link well with the Disneyworld start.

VICTORIA, BRITISH COLUMBIA, CANADA (Out-of-Sync)
By BBear on this board
Time: Friday 1 to Sunday 3 July 2005
1. Cluebox spotted on Fan Tan Alley.
2. No cameras nor racers spotted.
3. Cluebox removed within a few hours.

Canada holds a lot of local mini-races, so this may be part of one of them. Although the timing doesn't fit in, anything can happen. There are several attractions in the vicinity of Fan Tan Alley, and no Amazing Race watcher (enough to know about bickering couples and cameramen) will mistake the green box and flag design. Any comments?

TORONTO, ONTARIO, CANADA (Out-of-Sync)
By Zuezueze on TWoP
Time: Night, Thursday 7 July 2005
1. Cluebox on square in downtown Toronto.

This spoiler seems to have been refuted by Bassoon291 on Survivor Sucks, whose e-mail reply from Dundas Square suggested that the filming on July 16 (huh?) was for the Samsung Race for the Torch. Very unlikely now that very reliable spoilers have appeared for Toronto at a later date.

INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, NORFOLK, VIRGINIA, USA (Out-of-Sync)
By MisterMcGee on TWoP
Time: Tuesday 12 July 2005
1. Filming was limited to the airport.

Very strange that filming only takes place in the airport. Is it a place for a charter flight, or anything else that can only take place in an airport? Biggest problem with this is that it takes place as teams are supposed to be in Alabama, based on the Huntsville spoiler, and teams took buses from S Carolina there, ruling out a connecting flight.

FERRY TERMINAL, THUNDERBIRD PARK, VICTORIA, BRITISH COLUMBIA (Out-of-Sync)
By Desertte on TWoP
Time: Night, Saturday 30 July 2005
1. Woman guarding locked cluebox.
2. Stand was red and yellow.
3. Woman replies to questionning that it is TAR.

This spoiler directly conflicts with the Niagara Falls one, with the flag colours being different. Also, the woman giving the game away so easily isn't in line with what we've had in the past. Plus, how do you combination lock a cluebox? My guess? It's another local race.

BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS, USA (Out-of-Sync)
By Dave on TARflies
Time: Unknown
1. Teams were directed here from Toronto.

The timing just doesn't fit well. It's almost certain that the teams were in Toronto the weekend of 30th July. If the Toronto part is true, teams will then head to either Montreal or Niagara Falls, and Boston's just a stretch for now.

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 RE: Season 8 Timings/Locations Thre... romahnator 07-31-05 1
   RE: Season 8 Timings/Locations Thre... michel 07-31-05 2
   RE: Season 8 Timings/Locations Thre... bdtfilms 08-04-05 8
       RE: Season 8 Timings/Locations Thre... PepeLePew13 08-16-05 15
   RE: Season 8 Timings/Locations Thre... PepeLePew13 08-14-05 13
 RE: Season 8 Timings/Locations Thre... BuffaloNY 08-01-05 3
   RE: Season 8 Timings/Locations Thre... Cleveland Guy 08-01-05 4
   RE: Season 8 Timings/Locations Thre... ARnutz 08-01-05 5
 RE: Season 8 Timings/Locations Thre... PrimeCupEevee 08-01-05 6
   RE: Season 8 Timings/Locations Thre... Cleveland Guy 08-01-05 7
       RE: Season 8 Timings/Locations Thre... Gingerman28 08-04-05 9
           RE: Season 8 Timings/Locations Thre... heatherms2k 08-05-05 10
               RE: Season 8 Timings/Locations Thre... Cleveland Guy 08-05-05 11
                   RE: Season 8 Timings/Locations Thre... heatherms2k 08-05-05 12
 RE: Season 8 Timings/Locations Thre... Neobie 08-16-05 14
   Family introductions are up... PepeLePew13 08-16-05 16
   The Starting Line Neobie 08-16-05 17
       RE: The Starting Line Nessy 08-16-05 18
           RE: The Starting Line Rothschild 08-17-05 19
           RE: The Starting Line PepeLePew13 08-17-05 20
               RE: The Starting Line Gingerman28 08-19-05 21
                   RE: The Starting Line Ruthless 09-14-05 22
                       Reality TV races past Fort Benton ,... weecama 09-17-05 23
                           RE: Reality TV races past Fort Bent... Neobie 09-17-05 24
                               Great Falls, MT idunnowhoiam 09-18-05 25
                                   RE: Great Falls, MT Neobie 09-18-05 26
                                       RE: Great Falls, MT weecama 09-18-05 27
                                           RE: Great Falls, MT Neobie 09-19-05 28
 RE: Season 8 Timings/Locations Thre... Neobie 09-27-05 29
   RE: Season 8 Timings/Locations Thre... Gingerman28 09-27-05 30
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1. "RE: Season 8 Timings/Locations Thread #2"
The Toronto sighting was very much fun. We had tickets to cruise on the Kajama for 11:30. People are supposed to be checked in a half hour before sailing time. As we were walking along Lakeshore/ Queen's Quay at the intersection of Rees road a SUV stopped for the red light and a woman asked "where are the tall ships?" She had an Amazing Race clue folder in her hand. We told her it was up one block and to the right. We wished her good luck.

We ran to try and catch up to them. They were coming back around the power generating station at Harbourfront. My fiancee exclaimed "My god, they are racing with kids." They dropped part of their route info and another person picked it up and asked if they needed it. They said they didn't and had a new clue. I again yelled out good luck and the woman said "Look, it's our friend from before." (yes, I am kicking myself for not trying to buy the route info from the guy on the spot)

My fiancee and I went to board the Kajama and the officer said that only "people on the movie crew" were allowed on for awhile and said we would be delayed sailing. There were several people milling around, all with cell phones and binders they were hiding. We sailed out late.

When we returned to dock at 1:30, the same crew was waiting, but no teams. The ship headed back out for its 2:00 cruise. We hung around and heard them talking about needing shots of the CN Tower and needing to plan travel to Montreal. They went to the cell phones and were asking where the next team was and said it would be cutting it close because they had to board the ship for the next clue. Bert appeared 15mins later and they all left.

We were supposed to go the Jays game at 4, but instead got a camera and waited at the dock. The crew was back at 3:30, as was the Kajama. The crew boarded and climbed the foremast and put a remote camera up there. They were holding the boat. The cell phones rang and someone said "code red, code red" and ran off down the dock. The boat was delayed sailing for 20mins, but no other team showed up. The camera crew left and Kajama sailed.

We took several pictures of the activity, including Bert. As we were waiting after the boat sailed, the head of the crew came close by us and laughed at us. Thats why i am posting the spoiler. I would have not said anything and made this a nice private memory to enjoy while watching the show with my fiancee, but after sitting in the sun for 3 hours and missing a ball game to try and watch the show in action, only to be laughed at, I thought a spoiler was in order.

The Kajama was not due to dock again till 5:30, so whichever team was next was a full six hours behind. The driving of cars with New York plates in Toronto makes me wonder alot. I think alot of the delay was due to the holding of Caribanna because when we left Toronto the Gardiner and 403 (the freeways into Toronto's downtown area from NY and or the airport) were jammed into parking lots.

Thats all the details I have. Looking forward to the end. I overheard the crew discussing a pit stop, but I could not make out if it was in Toronto or Montreal. But I heard the words climbing and CN tower, so I think a roadblock was close.

Discuss amongst yourselves and ttyl.

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2. "RE: Season 8 Timings/Locations Thread #2"
It's possible that finding the "Kajama" was a detour that only one team chose so we don't know if the team you saw really does have a lead.
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8. "RE: Season 8 Timings/Locations Thread #2"
can we see the photos or video? or pics of the video if easier.
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15. "RE: Season 8 Timings/Locations Thread #2"
Yup, if we could see some pictures of this spoiler, that would lend an enormous amount of credence to your post and put you in the running for the 'Spoiler of the Season' label -- especially if you can show a picture of Bertram van Munster and maybe even of the team you saw as a way to help us figure out who might be amongst the final five teams in the race.



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13. "RE: Season 8 Timings/Locations Thread #2"
That'd be awesome if they did all those things in Toronto! I grew up in Toronto's downtown so it'd be real nice to see all of the familiar things on TAR.

I was on the Kajama just last year. Here's some 411: The Kajama and a picture...


The downtown is rather bunched together and the Kajama is only a few hundred yards away from the CN Tower so that certainly fits. The CN Tower is right by Union Station, which has trains coming in from everywhere and also has a subway station, plus gazillions of taxis to take them to the airport. It's about a 10-15 minute leisurely walk from Union Station to the boat, so teams can easily get there in 5-6 minutes by running -- and the boat can be a bit tricky to find if you're not from the area, so there's enough of a challenge.

Here's a map of the area with the boat location and places I've talked about above:


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3. "RE: Season 8 Timings/Locations Thread #2"
Thought I'd confirm that the teams did stop in Niagara Falls on or about 7/30 - 7/31. I took this picture on 7/31 at Terrapin Point next to the Horseshoe Falls. Note the new flag colors:

http://photos23.flickr.com/30239749_effffdd6b8.jpg?v=0

And a suspicious hand-written sign at the Cave of the Winds:

http://photos22.flickr.com/30240091_969629edba.jpg?v=0

The finish line was, according to someone at survivorsucks, at another state park in the area. My guess would be Fort Niagara in Youngstown, which is about 10 miles up the road from NF.

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4. "RE: Season 8 Timings/Locations Thread #2"
Is this the American side or the Canadian side?

We were up on the American side on Saturday and Sunday for a wedding this week.

Oh I'll be pissed if we missed em.

Also- if they went to Niagara Falls, it would explain NY Plates in Toronto, as they probably flew into Buffalo, and rented cars in NY.

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5. "RE: Season 8 Timings/Locations Thread #2"
Interesting that the flag colors have been changed back to the original yellow/white. I wonder if the yellow/red was becoming too recognizable?

Props to all of you for doing the snooping and getting us the info! It is really appreciated!

Neobie, thanks again for keeping all of the info together and organized!


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LAST EDITED ON 08-01-05 AT 03:34 PM (EST)

Tack on some more info:

http://www.tonawanda-news.com/story.asp?id=3194

Two friends find a clue box at Terrapin Point at Niagara Falls at 2:15 pm on Sunday. They noticed a woman guarding the box. Eventually two adults and two children got san envelope from the box, while a cameraman was trying to follow them. However, it was noted that "the last team to arrive" was there at 1:30 pm...

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7. "RE: Season 8 Timings/Locations Thread #2"
UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We were there at like 9 AM that morning.

SO CLOSE, SO CLOSE

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