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"S29 | Ep 07 | ECST - East Coast Spoiler Thread "Million Dollar Decision""
May as well put this up early. Please keep all running commentary, fake HIIs, sudden urges to quit, and requests for more rice in this thread until everyone on earth has witnessed the proceedings.
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 RE: S29 | Ep 07 | ECST - East Coast... Flowerpower1 11-05-14 1
 Post TC Brownroach 11-05-14 2
   RE: Post TC Sheldor 11-05-14 4
 RE: S29 | Ep 07 | ECST - East Coast... Flowerpower1 11-05-14 3
 Merge feast Brownroach 11-05-14 5
 Post intro... Flowerpower1 11-05-14 6
   RE: Post intro... Outsider32 11-05-14 8
       RE: Post intro... Brownroach 11-05-14 10
 More strategizing Brownroach 11-05-14 7
   RE: More strategizing Outsider32 11-05-14 9
 Julie hoards trail mix Brownroach 11-05-14 11
 IC Brownroach 11-05-14 12
 Drama... Flowerpower1 11-05-14 13
   RE: Drama... Outsider32 11-05-14 14
 IC... Flowerpower1 11-05-14 15
 Post IC Brownroach 11-05-14 16
   RE: Post IC michel2 11-05-14 21
       RE: Post IC CTgirl 11-05-14 26
           RE: Post IC Brownroach 11-06-14 27
               RE: Post IC Flowerpower1 11-06-14 28
                   RE: Post IC CTgirl 11-06-14 29
                   RE: Post IC Brownroach 11-06-14 31
                       RE: Post IC CTgirl 11-06-14 32
 No TC!!! - Next time: Brownroach 11-05-14 17
 RE: S29 | Ep 07 | ECST - East Coast... Sheldor 11-05-14 18
   RE: S29 | Ep 07 | ECST - East Coast... Brownroach 11-05-14 19
 Post IC.... Flowerpower1 11-05-14 20
   RE: Post IC.... michel2 11-05-14 23
       RE: Post IC.... Brownroach 11-05-14 24
           RE: Post IC.... suzzee 11-06-14 30
 Next time on Survivor: Flowerpower1 11-05-14 22
   RE: Next time on Survivor: CTgirl 11-05-14 25
   RE: Next time on Survivor: Tungusta 11-06-14 33
       RE: Next time on Survivor: Brownroach 11-09-14 34

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1. "RE: S29 | Ep 07 | ECST - East Coast Spoiler Thread "Million Dollar Decision""
Woohooo, BR! I am with you....just checking in to say, I will post in here, tonight! Thanks!

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2. "Post TC"
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Missy talks to Keith about the vote. She was trying to save Baylor. Keith not terribly happy.

Treemail: Merge. Josh, Reed, Alec, Wes on board and they can get Keith to vote out Jeremy. As seen on TV.

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4. "RE: Post TC"
Yeah, I didn't think Keith would be happy and when Jeff highlighted Keith's feelings in Previously On, I knew he would be upset and likely will flip on Missy/Baylor and go with Wes (Josh/Reed, and Alec) but that's only 5. So that's why I think Keith will be desperate and do the worst thing in Survivor History and try to frame Julie.
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3. "RE: S29 | Ep 07 | ECST - East Coast Spoiler Thread "Million Dollar Decision""
Hunahpu was starving, traded everything for a bag of rice and nobody felt it more than Julie...but despite losing everything, Hun won the IC. At Coy dale was in trouble and hoped his fake II would get him through, they split the vote between Dale than Keith...Missy, better Keith than me. in the end, Keith was shocked to get votes but was glad Dale went home, leaving Keith confused and in the dark...12 left

Coy at day 16...in the AM see Keith cooking the pot, see Missy, last night we voted Dale out we decided to write Kieth, I knew it wouldn't sit pretty, I feel like I kept something from you...she was trying to flush the idol...Keith said you could have let me know...in conf: my name came up twice, we don't have to lie, he says to the rest of them...if you do this to me, it makes me feel like I ain't too sure,,,it was Missy and Bay that voted for me, I am done with you all, I will leave you high and dry...

Camp Hun, day 16...treemail, Nat reads and it's the merge...wow, we made it guys, Josh has conf: we got treenail, we are moved, mixed feelings, we didn't get rid of Jeremy, but we can do this, see Reed and Josh counting their chickens..

Jeremy conf: at Hun Reed and J were in charge, I took the back seat, and I was okay with that, but now it's merge time and I want to crush them...

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5. "Merge feast"
LAST EDITED ON 11-05-14 AT 09:15 PM (EST)

Reed, Jon, Julie, Josh, Jeremy get confessionals. Couples being eyed as targets by Julie. Jeremy says he has numbers. He knows he has Julie, Natalie, he wants J&J, Missy and Baylor to make 7 to get rid of Josh.

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6. "Post intro..."
See Coyopa getting their treenail, conf: Jack, pack yor things we are merging, she's excited for her and Jon they made it together, we are definitely keeping our options open...they go to the merge site

Reed: Merge is a whole new chapter, don't know what it will bring, bl vs w element and there are peeps that don't have their relatives anymore, don't know...

See them arrive

Jon conf: about the feast, cheese, lobster, shrimp, booze, it's AWESOME!!!

Jullie: on our previous tribe we had one couple, reed and josh, now that we have merged it's tough on me because I am missing my BF John, I want to cry

Going to Coyopa beach
Wes: the feast was the number one highlight...see Julie dump stuff in her bag..Keith says he could care less about Missy and Bay...Josh: the game is speeding, you are going thru exhaustion, mind craziness, and the elements, now we are merged it's daunting, so many peeps, this will make or break if you will have the numbers for the rest of this game...see Jeremy and Nat...Jerm conf: merge is a milestone, but this is where the game starts, the first part was prelim, this is where the game starts...see him talk to Julie, these days are tough to see everyone with their loved ones, what ever you are feeling, know I am feeling the same thing...Jer: the only way I can continue on in this game, I have myself, Nat, Julie is a number, now I need to get two couples, Jon/Jack, missy/Bay. See Jeremy walking with Jon...well, missy and I are still cool. Reed is down with Josh

the number one person I wanted to talk to was Jon
Jon tells him, at least you, Nat, and Julie, missy/bay, jon/jack

so Jermey says: the first vibe I got from Jon was a good vibe, we are back together, we are good
See Jeremy with Missy: we got me, Nat, you/Baylor, Jon/Jack, so we are good, Missy says I am so glad to have you back, we are good....we have 7 we are good!

see them sitting down and making the new tribe name
Josh: see Jeremy talking to everyone, Jeremy is gathering every one, the goal is to get the numbers before he gets the numbers because if not, we are screwed.

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8. "RE: Post intro..."
Who is getting the boot edit so far? Looks like its Josh, Keith, or Baylor and I hope it isn't Keith. That bag thing is yet to come.
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10. "RE: Post intro..."
Not Baylor. I'd include Reed in the mix (maybe wishful thinking)😊
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7. "More strategizing"
Josh wishes Wes happy birthday before his own father does.

Reed and Josh strategizing. They want to get all the couples together. It appears Missy and Baylor will be pulled by both alliances. Josh talks to Baylor about their past. Now Baylor talks to Missy about having to possibly blindside Josh. Missy says Baylor will need to figure out how to handle it. Just smile and be phony!

Josh gets bad feeling about Missy//Baylor. So he approaches J&J. So now J&J are in the middle as well.

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9. "RE: More strategizing"
Looks like this is where the "stick to the plan" happens.
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11. "Julie hoards trail mix"
Busted! They take it out of her bag and eat it. She's selfish and awful and untrustworthy.

Now Julie's back. She gets the picture...

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12. "IC"
Josh feels he must win since he's unsure who's with him.

Jeremy out first.
Missy out.
Julie out.

Next round:
Reed out.
Baylor out.
Alec out.
Jaclyn out.
Natalie out.

Next round:
Josh out!
Jon out.
Wes out.
Keith wins immunity! WTF?!


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13. "Drama..."
See crabs, huyopa, day 17...Happy birthday says Josh to Wes...first one too tell me that and I have been talking to him all morning...Keith in conf: I forgot to wish him happy birthday, but I did, happy birthday here on the beach

Josh and Reed talking: Jeremy, I give him props because he's doing a great job
Josh in conf: 4 singles, the rest couples, why don't the couples stick together and take out the others, right now I have me and reed, alec wes and keith, we need 7, I think I can still get Baylor to vote with me, because i did save her once, and then Missy will transfer with her...

See Josh and Baylor talking together...
Baylor said she had one strong alliance with Josh...see them walking and Josh tells her with you, we have the numbers. but she says her mom had a bunch of alliances but she only had one strong one with Josh. she's with Jon, Jacklyn, Jeremy and Natalie but being aligned with Josh still is really difficult right now.

Starting out the game he protected me...that's so hard, thank you very much for helping me, now I have to vote you out
Baylor says she needs to digest and then come back to life
Josh: says I chatted with baylor because I saved your life, like twice, now you are going to ignore that, I honestly was hurt
Reed tells him it's because she is here with Missy, Iknow, it's our only case right now

Then see Baylor and Missy...Baylor is talking...Josh came up to me and said are we good, and Bay said, as Far as I know...he said Reed and I have your back...Iam going to have to have a talk with him mom...Bay says she wants him to respect her and Missy says he will respect you when you blindside him..Missy tells him she has to be a little bit phony.

Missy in conf: Baylor is 20, sometimes acts 30, sometimes 10, she has a need to please, but she's going to have to handle her heart, when it comes down to voting Reed or Josh out...See Missy tell Bay...you have to do what I said, because I already told Jeremy, we have the numbers, Josh doesn't, he's freaking out, this is a game, you have to suck it up, just smile to everybody ...just tell him, yeah, ok, I will go and ask my mom...
The difference is that she is coming to me and asking...Missy has made some bad decisions in her life, been married 1, 2, 3 times and she has had to watch them, she felt crappy about that...to have your kid watch you go through it, but here, she's coming to me, she gets to redeem herself here, she's watching me, trust me on this, get in the back seat and let me drive, trust me and let me drive...(nice music playing...?journey player = Missy?)

Josh: I feel like the time Bay was away from me, she' back with her mom...besides Jon and Jack we have to make a play for these people or we will be putt of the numbers...see Josh go to Jon and Jack...tells them getting in bed with Jeremy, he's the strongest guy out here...who do yo think they will give the money too, broadway guys or a fireman with 2 kids...Josh: that's my plea to you...see Missy come up, Jn says, Hi Missy

Jon: josh approached Jack and I , we want to get to the f3, but we don't think we are going to win. Once again we find ourselves in the middle, between 2 couples, we were in a power position...
Jon and Jack go off...Jon continues in conf: once again they are given a lot of opportunities to control our fate
Jack: this is huge
Josh and Reed tied to keeping couples which would get us to top 6...but, they make it tough, they are broadway stars
Jack: again we are in the middle, this is like a big decision
Jack: one wrong vote could be a million dollar decision

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14. "RE: Drama..."
Her quote could mean her, Jon, Josh, or Jeremy win. Either they made the right choice and booted Jeremy and her, Jon, or Josh win or vice versa with Josh.
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15. "IC..."
Huyopa day 18...see bugs on the beach and birds, We're so hungry...they are wondering where the giant bowl of trail mix go, see everyone, Julie is there and here's them talking...she says that she is keeping it in her bag, and see the tribe all looking for it...she was smart enough to gated it and she will share it with who she likes....they are going to search all the bags, see them all going thorough everyone's bag...see Jon look...you gotta be kidding me...there it is...Jack says she knew she had it...Wes: missy trail mix, found out Julie had it in her bag, one of the most selfish things, we are probably gonna take it from her bag and eat it all...Selfish lithe...wooo says Jon
Jon: at home who cares, but here, we don't have any thing to eat...if I can't trust somebody in my alliance...she's selfish...
She is coming back now...why does she think she is so much better than us that she can do that says Jack
When she walked aback up the tension, could cut it with a knife, now things don't look to good for me right now...Cut to IC

Come on in, guys! Josh, I am in the most precarious position right now, my name may be on the chopping block so I am just gonna go out there and try to win...

see the II...safe, if have it, without it you could be in trouble...balance the board/ball one the ropes, after 25 minutes move to the next level...

Challenge is on: Up to you to keep it still, if you move one more than the other, that will cause movement, also have to battle the wind...nice recoveries...wind, and Jeremy is out first, that's how quickly it can happen. Keep your concentration, this round will last 10 minutes...see clouds moving in, Missy is out, Julie is out,
Next round: farthest away now...Reed is out, Baylor is out, Alec is next, Jacklyn is out, down to five, gust of wind, Natalie is out, down to 4, josh, wes, keith, and Jon.
25 minutes done, final part of the challenge is adding another ball.
Next round: 4 starters...Josh, wes, keith, Jon...2 balls on their disc...Josh is out, see Jeremy chuckle...Jon is out, father and son, keith and Wes is out, Keith WINS!

Keith, alright, shows Wes...see Jon and Jack, then Missy and Jeremy...

Keith conf: It's crazy, I won immunity, it came down to me and Wes, I am not ready to hand the reigns over to him yet, to night is critical....we'll know exactly where everybody stands after tonights vote.

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16. "Post IC"
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Jeremy thought he'd win. He was out before Julie! But he thinks he will be safe at TC.

People are staring at Julie. "...Trail mix..." is voiced by Alec. This is like a movie where Julie is being gaslighted. Missy convinces Julie to not quit tonight, wait till tomorrow at least.

So it's Jeremy vs. Josh. J/ J may vote to blindside Jeremy, getting on the Couples Train. (But Alec is not a couple?)

Now Julie makes quitting noises again. And Jeff is here at camp! He tries to feign interest in what she's saying. Oy vey, this is it, she's leaving. Bad news for Jeremy it would appear, who was already losing allies.

Jeff approaches rest of tribe. Bad news: Julie is out, if you were in alliance with her, you JUST LOST A MEMBER! Josh blabs that he wants Jeremy out at TC tonight. (But they haven't heard the good news yet 😊). wait for it.... No tribal council! Josh looks like, oh sh!t.

It's a Josh v. Jeremy contest now.

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21. "RE: Post IC"
Jiffy made me laugh when Julie talked about being often in truble because of ehr looks, her boobs. He was having a lot of trouble looking her in the eye.
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26. "RE: Post IC"
Is it my imagination or was Jiff rather nice to Julie about the quit? He was easy on Lindsey too last season. I remember him being much tougher on other quitters.
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27. "RE: Post IC"
Yeah, what's with these one-on-one personal QuitChats? Didn't he used to like to call them out in front of the tribe? He certainly could make it happen that way if he wanted to.
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28. "RE: Post IC"
I know, this is the pits....gone is the Survivor of yesteryear. Jiffy nice to quitters, and when they run out of food they get more rice...what the heck? Gone are the days when they had to skewer rats to eat. Seriously, one tribe eating so much more than the other is pathetic, and I thought they strived for fairness? This really is crossing a line, don't you think?
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29. "RE: Post IC"
And now Jeff says that he knew Julie was going to quit when they cast her!
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31. "RE: Post IC"
And since when does Jeff offer up strategy-related tips? "If you were in an alliance with Julie, your alliance has lost a member." Like they wouldn't have figured that out on their own. Next he'll be showing up to help make fake HIIs.
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32. "RE: Post IC"
Arts and crafts time with Jiffy!
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17. "No TC!!! - Next time: "
Battle of the sexes. Jon and Jaclyn affected by it.
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18. "RE: S29 | Ep 07 | ECST - East Coast Spoiler Thread "Million Dollar Decision""
First Episode with a Quit and only ONE elimination since Janu quit in Palau!

So... When is the Double Elimination? Do we have a Medi-Vac or another Quitter or just a double IC/TC?

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19. "RE: S29 | Ep 07 | ECST - East Coast Spoiler Thread "Million Dollar Decision""
LAST EDITED ON 11-05-14 AT 10:17 PM (EST)

Maybe one of the couples has a stupid huge fight, then they break up, and then they both decide to quit in the same episode. (Based on the preview it could easily happen next week with Jock and Janolin...)😊

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come back and see the crows eating the carrion...Jeemy in the front...Jeremy: my first IC, I am the first one out, I thought I would kill these challenges, I am terrible at them, I was out before an old guy, a mom, I was out before Julie, but going to the TC, tonight, I feel like I am safe, I have the numbers...

They are eating rice, they say, I sure would love the trail mix...Julie says I heard Alex say something, I don't know what I am going to do, I am lost and confused...see her talk to Julie, I am feeling lost and confused, Missy says do you feel done, do you feel like toast? Julie says she doesn't know what to do everyone has their loved ones, and missy tells her I am your loved one...she says she needs her space
Missy: she stole some food put it in her bag, and if she goes home it would really screw up the plan, she should stick it out one more day, we need you
Julie gets it: she needs me because they need me to get farther, I can make a decision right now based on what I need
See Jon and Jeremy: jon is telling Jeremy that Josh says that you will be hard to beat,
Jeremy: Jeremy tells him I was out first...Josh is the only one in Josh's alliance that is playing the game, if you take him out, it's over
Josh: This is my home turf I am playing the game, but I have to give Jeremy props, he is playing the game and playing it well, it's opposite to what I am doing so it is frustrating, we have to get Jacklyn and Jon, it would make sense to keep couples together and singles out, see Jeremy swimming in the water alone why don't we get rid of people that don't have a loved one anymore...

Keith and Josh are talking to Jon, Wes is there too: If we don't stick together he will come after everyone of us...pull the trigger on him first...And Jeremy is big on taking out the couples...having your loved one with you, makes it more camaraderie ...Jon says that talking to people, he is finding himself making a complete 180...looks like we are jumping on the couples train and voting Jermey out tonight, it's going to suck, because I really like Jeremy...I don't want to , but it's the best for my game, going to suck, but we gotta do this, I have preached against jumping ship, because if you jump you will be on the bottom of the totem pole, but we are a couple, so going with Josh , reed, alex, wes and Keith has more long term potential with fewer bumps in the road...nice music playing when he had his confessional...

see them walking holding hands...symbol at the end

Where's julie...with her bag, Alec said she heard me hating on her, somebody had to say it, (Alex really seems like a tool!)

I never thought in my wildest dreams that it would be this hard, away from my loved one...seeJiffy, Julie: I have lost my head the last 3 days, I don't have my head in it with all these couples...with all of them in love and family members...Jiffy asks about her relationship with Jon...she is never away from him more than 4 days...Jiffy says kids go to summer camp longer than this...Julie says that she is judged, why? because they think they can't approach me, because I take care of myself, they talk about my boobs, it's like mean girls. I can't stay here because missy says, I need you...what about those in the alliance with you? she feels guilty about that...it makes her feel awful, so officially, she is quitting the game, 18 days, you are quitting...he will let the others know...

See Jeff on the beach, guys come on down out of the shelter...bad news and good news...if you were in an alliance with Julie, she is quitting the game...Jeemy in conf: she was my number, I needed that, I could be going home tonight...Missy is sad, I talked to her last.
Josh: it's a complicated game, you don't want them to quit if you are in an alliance with them, on the other hand, my odds just got better
Josh says you are exactly right...your chances got better in that case, but,
Josh in conf: Julie quit and that puts Jeremy with one less, and our odds just got better, puts Jeremy and that alliance at unease because they have one less member
Jeremy tells Jeff he's pissed, keep her warm, give her food...alec says she does nothing...she dug herself in a hole, Jacklyn says she stole food and kept it to herself, it makes people mad..Jon says she was so scared of living up to the fact, oh yeah, I am a selfish person.
No TC, means that somebody just got a million dollar break...Josh: I do feel with Julie's exit, it was not on our side because we wanted to get Jeremy out right then, but he's on borrowed time right now, I feel like it was 80 percent it would have been him tonight...he thought it was me or Reed tonight.
Jermey: Julie messed it up, because I am upset because she really messed up my plans...

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23. "RE: Post IC...."
Now we know what next episode's title "Wrinkle in the Plan" means. Julie's quit makes it harder for Jeremy's alliance.

This whole post-IC scheming made it look like Jeremy was in trouble and it will serve as mis-direction for next week when Josh (or Reed) leaves.

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24. "RE: Post IC...."
LAST EDITED ON 11-05-14 AT 11:58 PM (EST)

I don't see how the Couples Train that Josh is envisioning would be an attractive strategy to anyone, especially now. Eight of the remaining eleven people are part of a couple. Even if only six of those eight formed an alliance, it ultimately leaves limited options to maneuver. Making strategic use of the three remaining singletons is what I'd be thinking about. I doubt the Couples Train will be coming together as hoped.

And Josh pushing it so hard to everyone does not bode well for him and Reed. Missy/Baylor and Jon/Jaclyn are more comfortably flexible in where they can move. Josh and Reed are kind of stuck.

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30. "RE: Post IC...."
Jon & Jaclyn may be more flexible but Jon noted that jumping alliances puts you at the bottom of the new one. The old alliance may be looking for payback it could mean one of them will be one of the early jury members.

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22. "Next time on Survivor:"
LAST EDITED ON 11-05-14 AT 10:26 PM (EST)

Alec: Want some fish, now there aint no charity now...to Jacklyn
Jiffy: It's a battle of the sexes
Missy: it's like the most chauvinistic group of men that I have ever met
And it hits jon and Jacklyn the hardest
Jack to Jon: I don't like the guys anymore, I don't think we should go with them
Jon: why
Jack: Jon just doesn't care
Jon: Jacklyn's not on the same page as I am
Jacklyn: somebody's not gonna be happy

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25. "RE: Next time on Survivor:"
So this is where Jon and Jacklyn "fight" as teased by Jeff earlier. I highly doubt they won't vote as a block though.
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33. "RE: Next time on Survivor:"
Or Jon and Jacklyn will vote differently from one another.
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34. "RE: Next time on Survivor:"
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I don't think that will happen.

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