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"S27: Preseason Spoiling"
They say the three important aspects of success are Location, Location, Location. Well, I would take out the last two and replace them with Theme and Cast.

Keep in mind that at the time of this initial posting NOTHING is set in stone.
However, the time to start filming should begin soon. (If initial scenery shots aren't already being committed to memory cards.)

Location: The BUZZ is... that the Philippines will again be host for the next 2 seasons, with 27 and 28 being shot back to back.

Theme: Again, the BUZZ is... S27 will be Favorites Vs Family. With 1 tribe being past players and the other tribe being members of their family. (Yes, Estee, your abilities to predict apocalypsii are still legendary.)

Cast: There is so much traffic and so many names being bantered about it's impossible to tell who's source is an actual source. I spent roughly 3 hours scanning SUCKS and was led into the miasma of dueling sources (from insect to Olly, Redmond to SurvivorFan and it goes on) all claiming to have tid-bits of potentials. Truth be known, 20 people will be cast. 10 of them returnees, with 5 of those being male and 5 being female. Then on the opposing tribe we will again have a split of 5 males and 5 females all with a connection to one of the returnees.

Personally, I see potential in this formation. I also see a VERY OPEN lane to possibly invite a Hantz back. (It should be known that most of the BUZZ is saying that the Hantz's have not been asked to join. So, we know they will.)
Looks like it could turn out to be a 3-month long April Fools Day joke.

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 RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling chemig521 05-03-13 1
   RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling PepeLePew13 05-03-13 2
       RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling Estee 05-03-13 4
   RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling Brownroach 05-13-13 22
 RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling Estee 05-03-13 3
   RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling chemig521 05-03-13 6
   RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling suzzee 05-04-13 7
 RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling PepeLePew13 05-03-13 5
   RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling SurvivorManiac 05-04-13 8
       RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling PepeLePew13 05-04-13 10
   RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling Estee 05-04-13 9
   RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling PepeLePew13 05-04-13 11
       RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling tribephyl 05-04-13 12
   RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling PepeLePew13 05-12-13 13
   RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling PepeLePew13 05-13-13 19
       RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling Estee 05-14-13 29
 Survivor: Cagayan dabo 05-12-13 14
 RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling michel 05-13-13 15
   RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling Scarlett O Hara 05-13-13 16
       RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling Estee 05-13-13 17
       RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling PepeLePew13 05-13-13 18
           RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling SquidProQuo 05-13-13 20
               RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling dabo 05-13-13 21
   RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling Estee 05-14-13 23
       RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling Round Robin 05-14-13 24
           RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling Belle Book 05-14-13 25
               Who would you as a fan really want ... chemig521 05-14-13 27
           RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling Travel_Queen 05-14-13 30
 RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling Travel_Queen 05-14-13 26
   RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling chemig521 05-14-13 28
       RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling tribephyl 05-14-13 31
           RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling Round Robin 05-15-13 34
           RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling Belle Book 05-16-13 43
   RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling Estee 05-14-13 32
       RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling kingfish 05-15-13 35
           RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling CTgirl 05-15-13 36
               RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling PepeLePew13 05-15-13 37
                   RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling kingfish 05-16-13 39
                       RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling rachelOH63 05-16-13 40
                           RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling michel 05-16-13 47
                               RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling dabo 05-16-13 49
                                   RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling Round Robin 05-17-13 50
                               RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling chemig521 05-17-13 51
                                   RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling michel 05-19-13 60
                           RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling Sheldor 06-06-13 95
                               It Worked! dabo 06-06-13 96
                                   RE: It Worked! Sheldor 06-06-13 97
                               RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling michel 06-06-13 98
                       RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling SOAR64 05-16-13 41
                       RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling udg 05-16-13 42
                           RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling kingfish 05-18-13 54
 RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling PepeLePew13 05-14-13 33
   RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling SpotTheDifference 05-15-13 38
   RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling gizmo_ber 05-16-13 44
       RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling dabo 05-16-13 45
           RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling michel 05-16-13 48
   RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling Jims02 05-16-13 46
       RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling tribephyl 05-17-13 52
           RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling Round Robin 05-18-13 53
           RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling Belle Book 05-18-13 55
           RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling dabo 05-18-13 56
               RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling tribephyl 05-19-13 57
                   RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling Estee 05-19-13 58
           RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling michel 05-19-13 59
               RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling dabo 05-22-13 69
                   RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling PepeLePew13 05-22-13 70
                       RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling CTgirl 05-22-13 72
                           RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling michel 05-23-13 75
                               RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling PepeLePew13 05-24-13 81
                                   RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling dabo 05-25-13 82
                                       RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling michel 05-25-13 84
                                           RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling dabo 05-25-13 85
                                               RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling michel 05-25-13 86
                                   RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling michel 05-25-13 83
                           RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling finallytyping 05-24-13 80
 Resurrection Island...err... tribephyl 05-20-13 61
   RE: Resurrection Island...err... michel 05-20-13 62
   RE: Resurrection Island...err... dabo 05-20-13 63
   It Begins dabo 05-20-13 64
       RE: It Begins tribephyl 05-20-13 65
           RE: It Begins dabo 05-20-13 66
           Confirmed dabo 05-21-13 67
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   RE: Calendar michel 05-23-13 74
       RE: Calendar tribephyl 05-23-13 76
 RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling rachelOH63 05-23-13 73
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1. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
I read somewhere today that Russell says that he would not want to be part of it. He wants a season of all new players. http://www.buddytv.com/articles/remote-patrol/more/will-survivor-season-27-pit-re-49792.aspx

At the same time,I saw speculation of FOUR Hantz family members participating.

Russell Hantz, considered the biggest villain in the show's history, tweeted his thoughts about these rumors: "If all hantz boys played this concept survivor Ratings would go back up to 15 million easily." But would he want to return? He says the answer is no: "I'm letting you all know now even if I got the phone call I would NOT play this concept!"

While he believes including the Hantz family would lead to a ratings increase, he doesn't think this format is a good idea, tweeting, "I do not like the concept at all!! I think someone needs to lose their job because they're only going to lose more viewers!" Then he finished off by sending a message directly to Survivor and host Jeff Probst: "Give the viewers and the fans a opportunity to play this game! All new people please!!"

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2. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
Missyae seems to have a beat on who's in the cast for S27 - he said the cast is going out on May 17th for filming. He also has this tidbit on the Hantzes:


Be back with more from Missyae on the potential cast...

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4. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
It would be typical of RussHell to be on 'our' side only out of spite, wouldn't it? But that 'on CBS' qualifier is a little worrisome.
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22. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
"Give the viewers and the fans a opportunity to play this game! All new people please!!"

Russhole actually said something with which I agree.

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3. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
LAST EDITED ON 05-03-13 AT 08:49 PM (EST)

*mutter*

I am so overdue a six-figure consultant's fee.

There's the usual hideous host of problems with this idea, but let's start with the fact that we're being asked to watch a rerun -- and the original version was called Big Brother #6. Once the twist is openly named or identified (and it's easy to see production lying to each family link by telling them they're the only one), the name of the game will quickly change to Break Up The Pairs. Every time a tribe loses, ouster focus can turn to undercutting someone on the other tribe by taking out their future alliance partner. Want to destroy Fillup? Don't we all? Let's start by tossing his brother. Of course, if you're Fillup's family member, you may have more incentive to vote him out than anyone in the world, but that's not the point: the whole idea is to seal the partner's fate by removing every built-in voting block possible. In that sense, everyone is going to be playing for the merge from Day One, and post-unity play may still focus on rendering up single units.

This makes alliances extra-tricky. You have no influence over what's happening on the other tribe -- or do you? If the twist is out in the open, I can easily see split immunities: winning tribe chooses someone to protect on the losing one. There's some epic arguments coming down the line... (Post-merge, people might occasionally play in pairs for twinned necklaces. And 'I give X part of my Reward'? Sure, why not?) But without that, you're still allying up to protect not only yourself, but your partner. I don't vote you out and your cousin doesn't vote my sister out? Suddenly, communication is the most valuable prize in the game. Forget hidden idols: this clue takes you to a secret meeting place where you can talk to your opposite number for five minutes. I can see Exile Island coming back just to let people talk strategy there: this time, the cross-tribe alliance can work because it's built-in... but you'll have to win your way into exile. And when you get back? Voted out. What else?

Or is this when we put them all on one beach again? Gah.

Would MB play the 'reach F2 together and double the prize?' card? He'll never have to pay out. How about 'blindside your husband for extra cash?' No, everyone would go for that... but he'll want the backstabbing, so don't expect cast family members to necessarily be on good terms with the Favorite. Or to be telling the truth about it.

Note that this completely destroys early tribe swaps, at least by random draw: creating early merged pairs -- would create a giant target, so naturally the show might consider it and thendo it twice per episode. But they'd want to be careful about making too many power duos early. (An arranged swap could still keep everyone apart if done with slight care.)

Are you despairing yet? And that's before we find out who's actually in this thing. Some of the possibilities are more horrifying than others.

Put this way: the first people I thought of were Brian and C.C...

Why not? It's as solid a definition of 'favorite' as we've had this season. (But I think this means getting Taj back.)

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6. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
>LAST EDITED ON 05-03-13
>AT 08:49 PM (EST)

>
>*mutter*
>
>I am so overdue a six-figure
>consultant's fee.
Why pay you when they can have a intern troll the forums looking for ideas. How else can a great joke become reality?
>
>There's the usual hideous host of
>problems with this idea, but
>let's start with the fact
>that we're being asked to
>watch a rerun -- and
>the original version was called
>Big Brother #6.

Not one rerun, but TWO. Didn't we see Rob Mariano use a secret conversation with Alex and a similar promise in "All Stars" and keep Amber around so the pair could dominate after the merge?

you're still allying
>up to protect not only
>yourself, but your partner.
>I don't vote you out
>and your cousin doesn't vote
>my sister out? Suddenly,
>communication is the most valuable
>prize in the game.

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7. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"

1. Check your computer for a transmitter with "Property of CBS" stamped into it.

2. Send someone at CBS a consultant statement, see if you get a check.



I should be watched....closely.

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5. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
Here's what I've seen so far on Missyae's twitter feed regarding S27 - no confirmations but rather a real implication of these being on the cast (note: Missyae has said that Malcolm and his brother is NOT on):

Theme:


Aras Baskauskas and brother:


KKKolton Cumbie and partner:


Kat Edorsson (and I'd guess her cousin that showed up at the family visit as the plus-one):


R.C. Saint-Amour and ?:


Rob Cesternino and wife Nicole:


Stephanie Valencia and ?:


Tina Wesson and her husband(?):

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8. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
LAST EDITED ON 05-04-13 AT 09:43 AM (EST)

If you're going to trust anyones info from Survivor Sucks, let it be Redmond's. He has proven to have a source numerous times, actually.

He has said these are the people he is confident are on (in the order of how confident he is each one is on):
Kat
Stephanie V
Rob C
Aras
RC
Gervase

I am almost sold on Rob C being on. Redmond has said it, Rob also announced that he would likely be taking a break from his podcast after the Caramoan finale and S27 will likely start shooting only a few weeks later. Watch the most recent Survivor Aftershow with him and Parvati, and she pretty much blows up his spot. She reveals that he has been doing huge workouts to try and get shredded, and teases by asking if he plans on going to any islands in the summer. It was pretty funny.

Stephanie Valencia is an odd choice, though. Looking at how the tribe looks like so far, I can see her being in trouble very early already. Gervase is great, but Im surprised they are bringing someone back all the way from S1 who has never returned before. I guess maybe he could be an alternate? Who knows.

Oh, and the people over at survivor sucks are saying the location is in Luzon in the Philippines. Specifically, the Palaui Islands. I dont mind it being in the Philippines again actually, especially since they are going to a different part of it.

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10. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
To tell you the truth, I don't really trust anyone from that place of chaos but Missyae has repeatedly shown he's got the goods when it comes to *who* is on the show, as compared to where they finish or might do in the game. He'll occasionally get his in-game info mixed-up but is reliable when it comes to the cast.
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9. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
It's as if MB doesn't realize the reason he's losing his core audience is because he keeps forcing people to commit suicide.
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11. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
Two more that I've seen, but not sure if they're tied in with the others: Terry Dietz (with wife) and Natalie Bolton (with a sister or partner).
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12. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
Terry Dietz (with wife)
Gah! I hate that guy.
THIS casting choice will (as is already) raising my "hackles".
My only hope would be Aras was also cast and boots his lame arse again.
Honestly, I'd rather have puppy-killing Brian than tribe-killing Terry.
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13. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
Missyae just said that it's Tina's daughter, Katie Collins, who is going along with Tina.

http://twitter.com/TheGameSurvivor/status/333647196425703424/photo/1

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19. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
LAST EDITED ON 05-13-13 AT 07:53 PM (EST)

>Rob Cesternino and wife Nicole:
>

Latest scuttlebutt I saw is suggesting that Nicole just found out she's pregnant a few days ago, so it's a "no" on these two being in this season.

Also, there's rumours that Stephanie was bumped for Monica Culpepper (and her ex-NFLer hubby, Brad) - the Culpeppers could be a pretty strong team physically and mentally as Brad graduated with a law degree after his NFL career ended.

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29. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
Missed this in my insomnia, and thus my post below: sorries. Rob would have been at least a little distracted if he'd been there alone, and putting a pregnant woman in a starvation environment -- dear gawds no. They're better off out of it.

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14. "Survivor: Cagayan"
http://www.rickey.org/survivor-seasons-27-and-28-to-be-filmed-in-palaui-island-cagayan-philippines/


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15. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
LAST EDITED ON 05-13-13 AT 05:50 PM (EST)

Andy Denhart has a slightly different list of returning players.

Tyson Apostol, Tocantins, Heroes vs. Villains
Aras Baskauskas, Panama
Rupert Boneham, Pearl Islands, All-Stars, Heroes vs. Villains
Monica Culpepper, One World
Colton Cumbie, One World
Kat Edorsson, One World
Laura Morett, Samoa
Gervase Peterson, Borneo
RC Saint-Amour, Philippines
Tina Wesson, Australia, All-Stars

http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_blood_vs_water/2013_May_13_cast

Rupert in place of Rob C? Please say it's wrong!
He adds that a BB winner, Hayden, will be Kat's partner (BF).


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16. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"


Here's a pic I just saw on Jim Early's Facebook page. It looks like Tyson is back and so is Courtney. I would guess with the Red Buffs they are on the "Blood" team.

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17. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
You really think that's Courtney in the helicopter? I hope you're wrong. We have Tyson and KKKolton: the People We Wanted To See Choke On Their Own Vomit quota is filled.
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18. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
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Considering that Jeff was in LA for the finale last night, don't think this is the start of S27 but rather the start of HvV when both Tyson and Courtney were on the villains tribe. Tyson wore this same shirt in S20 and the villains tribe colour was red.


ETA: Yup, the above pic is from HvV. You can see the same helicopter in the background as well in this pic here.

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20. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
Good catch, Pepe.

If we must endure returning players yet again, these initial names being bandied about are at least better than the past season we just suffered. (Except no Rupert, please!!)

I wouldn't be surprised if Jeff/CBS tried to get crying Lisa (child star) and her brother.

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21. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
Have to agree about Rupert. He was a great character the first time, I liked him then. Not only was he lame on HvV, he's turned into a politician now. A pretty bad one but ...

On second thought, let him go ahead and make a fool of himself again.

I'm really really sick of returning players, honestly.

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23. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
Which means we just found the only part of this I might be able to stand: finally getting to see Hayden's joke of a game fall apart in a slightly less manipulated competition and having him get voted off. I almost want RI back so he can get voted off twice.

We're also supposed to be getting Brad Culpepper to pair with Monica. Expect Jeff to drool.

Wanna bet Rob C. was a last-minute swap-out after Cochran won, just so MB wouldn't be taking a chance on having two known game strategists with serious 'nerd' aspects win in a row?

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24. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
The rumor as stated in a post higher up this thread was that Rob's wife found out she was preggers a few days ago, thus spiking their appearance on this season. I take that at face value, I don't think Burn-it or JiffyProbe would fear a second super strategist in a row winning the game. As a matter of fact, I think a Rob Cesternino win would be a popular one which would draw good ratings.
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25. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
So Rob Cesternino's wife's pregnancy axed his chance of getting on this season? Bummer -- especially for most of the audience.

I'd like Peih-Gee to be on this season. I like Asian Americans and she might have learned something from being on China.

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27. "Who would you as a fan really want to see."
I have to admit, I was really looking forward to seeing Rob C. play. Hv.V was a disappointment because he was recognized as such a huge threat we didn't get to see him in action. So, if it was YOU instead of the producers picking the true favorites, who would you REALLY like to see come back for a second or more appearance and who should be permanently banned? (other than the obvious Hantz clan)

Return:
Would love to see Rob C.

Ban:
Rupert (he was entertaining the first time out, but they should have let him leave on that high note)

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30. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
Rob just posted on Facebook that Baby due in September..so they didn't "just" find out. Ummm, when does the next Survivor air?...oh in September! My thoughts, Rob has someone monitoring his twitter and facebook and they will post the odd stuff the next 39 days or so. He has already said that he is taking a rest from podcasting...
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26. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
Looking at the couples..there are some related by blood and some by non-blood relationships. I'm inclined then to think that there will be 5 couples of blood on one tribe vs the non blood on the other. The theme being, which group interacts better..which will sacrifice if requried. Another experiment on human behaviour.

There will not be a need for a family visit reward for someone to throw.

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28. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
Your theory certainly fits better with the title.
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31. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
and with the logo too...

Blood Relatives Vs Chosen Partners

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34. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
Yes, TQ's theory makes the most sense to me too, now that I've read these posts. That's the idea I will buy unless I hear a better one.
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43. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
That seems the most logical to me as well.

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32. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
So there's the master plan! It's all to save on some roundtrip flight tickets to the Philippines!

...wow. Cheap show.

I think you may have just figured it out. Nice work. And if so? This is now Survivor plus Big Brother 6 plus Love And Hip-Hop.

Weeping is optional, but recommended.

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35. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
A tangent thought, but what does water have to do with Blood Vs. Water? Blood I see, family member against family member, but water? A reference to amniotic fluid? Spit trading relations?
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36. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
"Blood is thicker than water." It usually means the bonds of family are stronger than the bonds between unrelated people. In Survivor, maybe not so much.
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37. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
Also it seems the tribes are going to be divided by blood (i.e. a returning 'fave' with a blood relative, such as Tina with her daughter) and water (i.e. a returning fave with a non-blood-related partner, such as Kat with her BF Hayden). Five blood couplings on one tribe vs. five non-blood couplings on the other.
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39. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
I realize that it's nitpicking to the nth degree, but shouldn't it be "Blood vs Blood"? I mean, if everybody has a relation (or relationship of some kind) with a member of the other tribe?

I understand the blood is thicker than water concept, but who represents the "water" in this deal? And why does "blood" hate "water"? They should be friends, don't you think?

I need to know this stuff.

To me, if they are referring to the blood is thicker than water thing, then shouldn't those related by blood be on the same tribe and be pitted against the "water tribe" of non-related people? Or maybe they could be related, but all have the last name "Water"?

Even better <light bulb goes off> they should recruit "Bloods" from East LA to fight the "Waters" from where ever they come from. A whole new set of challenges suggest themselves, Knife fights, driveby shootings, hydrant hosing contests, keg party rewards, gang bangs (although here the native women might draw a line), etc.

This sounds like a pretty weak premise. Hope it turns out better than I'm thinking it will.

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40. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
LAST EDITED ON 05-16-13 AT 11:34 AM (EST)

Let's say 5 pairs are on one team, made up of two brothers, two sisters, a mom & child, a father & daughter, etc. This would be the "BLOOD" team.
Then for the other team, you have 2 really good friends, a sister and a mother-in-law (?), a man & his girlfriend, etc. This would be the "WATER" team. They aren't related by BLOOD.
So the social experiment is to see if the blood pairs work better together/get along better/win vs. if the water pairs are better.... That's how I see it, anyway....

Edited to add: I guess a husband & wife would be on the "water" team.... Although that should be the closest relationship you can get in life....

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47. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
That's the problem I have with blood vs water meaning blood relatives against non-blood relatives. Not only would husbands and wives form the stronger bonds without being blood related but it would force CBS to weigh the relationships. I mean if Monica is on one tribe with her husband than Colton and his partner should be on the same tribe but then why not Kat and her boyfriend? CBS should stay far away from deciding that one relationship is more meaningful than another.
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49. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
It's simply two different forms of love bonds. Family love bonds are strongest in terms of immediate family (parent/child, siblings) and are in the blood, as it is said. The lover pair bond isn't in the blood but is also quite strong.

Anyway, yeah, in terms of the social experiment of Survivor, they've got a farce in this one. Nothing will be proved one way or the other because it is a ludicrous test.

I said after the first All-Stars, Survivor is best when played by strangers. The stranger the better.

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50. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
I think how it gets divided up is that the blood pairs are both from the same family and the water pairs are two people who were originally from two different families who chose to be together. I don't know that they're really testing anything, they're just trying to come up with a Survivor game that will get good ratings. Whether it's any good of a Survivor game remains to be seen.
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51. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
Wouldn't Monica and her husband, Colton and his partner, and Kat and her boyfriend ALL be on the water tribe? The entire thing is just a gimmick to try to bring something new without jumping the shark. I do,though, see many tests of the strengths of those bonds. There may be no family visit, but there will still be those Machiavellian choices. This time there is the twist of how much would you sacrifice for a loved one.
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60. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
Survivor jumped the shark during Cook Islands. This whole gimmick is as dumb as Terry's fight with Aras about the bond between husband and wife versus the one between mother and child. Come to think of it, I guess this is why they cast Aras! Are we sure that Terry and his wife aren't there?!
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(Note: If you are viewing this in Internet Explorer this post #95 has become merged with rachelOH63's post #40 because I added an HTML end comment tag above this line which is invisible but which turned off the comment tag that rachelOH63's inadvertantly turned on.

Replying to rachelOH63's post #40 to try to turn off HTML comment that she accidentally turned on which in Internet Explorer is making the rest of the page as one LONG comment.

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HTML Info:
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IT WORKED!!!

If you are viewing this in Internet Explorer I believe you can now see the rest of the posts starting with #41. You are missing the following posts (between Rachel's #40 and my post #95) which I'm including here so that those viewing in Internet Explorer can read them...

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47. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"

That's the problem I have with blood vs water meaning blood relatives against non-blood relatives. Not only would husbands and wives form the stronger bonds without being blood related but it would force CBS to weigh the relationships. I mean if Monica is on one tribe with her husband than Colton and his partner should be on the same tribe but then why not Kat and her boyfriend? CBS should stay far away from deciding that one relationship is more meaningful than another.

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49. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"

It's simply two different forms of love bonds. Family love bonds are strongest in terms of immediate family (parent/child, siblings) and are in the blood, as it is said. The lover pair bond isn't in the blood but is also quite strong.

Anyway, yeah, in terms of the social experiment of Survivor, they've got a farce in this one. Nothing will be proved one way or the other because it is a ludicrous test.

I said after the first All-Stars, Survivor is best when played by strangers. The stranger the better.

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50. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"

I think how it gets divided up is that the blood pairs are both from the same family and the water pairs are two people who were originally from two different families who chose to be together. I don't know that they're really testing anything, they're just trying to come up with a Survivor game that will get good ratings. Whether it's any good of a Survivor game remains to be seen.

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51. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"

Wouldn't Monica and her husband, Colton and his partner, and Kat and her boyfriend ALL be on the water tribe? The entire thing is just a gimmick to try to bring something new without jumping the shark. I do,though, see many tests of the strengths of those bonds. There may be no family visit, but there will still be those Machiavellian choices. This time there is the twist of how much would you sacrifice for a loved one.

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60. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"

Survivor jumped the shark during Cook Islands. This whole gimmick is as dumb as Terry's fight with Aras about the bond between husband and wife versus the one between mother and child. Come to think of it, I guess this is why they cast Aras! Are we sure that Terry and his wife aren't there?!

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96. "It Worked!"
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Can now view the entire thread in IE after clicking View All.

Whew!

Post #95 somehow combines with #40 under view all but can be seen as a separate post opening the thread otherwise. Not complaining, this doesn't need to be fixed, just noting it for any who may be wondering.

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97. "RE: It Worked!"
dabo: Thanks for confirming my workaround works in Internet Explorer.

Unfortunately the ONLY way to fix #95 being combined with #40 is for an Admin to edit #40 and remove the brackets on the last line or to remove post #40.

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By putting an "end comment tag" at the start of my reply #95 I was able to make Internet Explorer turn off the comment which is why my #40 and #95 are merged and the replies between #40 and #95 are invisible in Internet Explorer (they are still a comment) so I copy and pasted them into my post #95.

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98. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
Nice work, Sheldor. I'm using Firefox so I didn't have a problem but it's always interesting to read how these things work.
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41. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
If it appears difficult to understand now, just wait until the season starts. But of course Jeff will understand because he makes up the rules as he goes along. I can just imagine the production team setting around a table trying to come up with a clever name for this season. I guess Blood and Water was all they could think of.
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42. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
I think it's "Blood" (the person you brought with you) vs "Water" (the people you meet on the beach). If the original premise holds, each couple will be split up one person on each tribe, at least at first. So, not a Blood Tribe vs a Water Tribe, just the ties of blood vs the ties of alliance/convenience/opportunity.


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54. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
Good guess, I think.

But what I think is that challenges will be amped up next season, because Med. Evacs. are ratings gold, and two weren't enough.

Blood = REAL BLOOD on the beach. Involves relatives with scores to settle with each other (expect to see In-law rivalries), and animosities result in some bloodletting!

Water = Extreme water challenges. For variety, the score settling challenges are held in the deep end of the reef.

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33. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
Final cast? Missyae has this breakdown, but seems to think that Gervase may have a female going with him instead of his nephew - as it is in the pic below, there's 11 men and 9 women. Subbing in a F instead of the nephew would make it an even split of 10-10.

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38. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
And just in case they continue the theme with the tribe names:

Blood = Dugo
Water = Tubig

These are in Tagalog, though, which is lingua franca across the Philippines, but isn't a major language in the Cagayan area.

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44. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
Why can't they just go back to seasons with all new players? When was the last time we didn't have a returning cast member? Feels like it's been forever.


Would the real mogwai please stand up?

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LAST EDITED ON 05-16-13 AT 07:34 PM (EST)

S24 One World
S21 Nicaragua
S19 Samoa
S18 Toncantins
S17 Gabon
S15 China

Basically, 6 of the last 12 games have had returning players, 6 have not.

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48. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
...but only 1 out of the last 6.
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I don't poke around in Spoilers much, but I gotta say that this is a pretty surprising cast. Like, it's not very "sexy". It's not filled with the usual crowd we would expect.

I'm not criticizing the casting because a lot of the choices are actually pretty interesting. Some of the choices are just surprising.

Tina - I figured the producers were done with her after All Stars. Not necessarily her fault or anything, but I felt like she wasn't a huge "get" anymore after that. I'm pretty stoked to see her return again, though.

Colton - Just because of how negative the reaction was to him. I thought they would bring him back eventually at the time, but at the end of the game, he seemed to be cooling on the idea. Maybe I'm mis-remembering the situation.

Laura - Hantzmania took over Survivor for so long, I'm surprised the producers remembered Galu at all (aside from Shambo). This casting kind of reminds me of picking Corinne for this past season.

Gervase - I heard they tried to get him before, but couldn't for whatever reason. Part of it seemed like, if any of the Season 1 crowd wanted to come back, they probably would have by now.

Rupert - Just 'cuz it would be his 4th time. It's Rupert, though.

Monica - Just one of those random pre-merge boots. The hubby factor obviously plays into this casting, of course.

Aras - When going over the list of most memorable Survivor winners, no one ever brings up Aras.

The others (Tyson, Kat, RC) aren't very surprising, though. It's definitely an interesting mix of past contestants, that's for sure.


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52. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
I like your thoughts and I feel the same way, these aren't horrible choices. Not all the best choices but none that will make me HONESTLY change the channel.
In fact, I'm over the moon that a couple of them are back.
Not to mention the 10 other castaways who will not be familiar to us but will build instant status through their relatives.

Tina was an amazing behind the scenes strategist, whom made many allies, allowed for the decisions to seemingly be run through others Or at least the blame laid at others feet. she was booted first during AllStars because she was a serious threat AND she was a previous winner, which is exactly how AllStars progressed, getting rid of the previous winners first.
She could do great things, it's been long enough and so many other openly strategic winners have emerged that she becomes a non-threat.

Gervase was the lazy guy during his first stint waaay back in season 1. I seriously doubt he'll be any different one and two the game has drastically changed since he first played.

Laura was a victim of one of her own forging off on his own. Had no cracks opened, Samoa would have turned out DRASTICALLY different. She was "in control" of her alliance up to John changing his vote after the tie.

Monica was simply placed on the wrong tribe. No, the wrong season. She is strong, strategic and survivor saavy. If she hadn't been so judgmental of Colton, Kat and Christina, she could very well have slipped under the radar of Kim and Sabrina during the boot choosing process.

Kat and Colton. The One World Brats. I hope and pray that both have either grown up a smidge or perhaps are playing with someone that will help even them out a bit. Kat is incapable of playing under the radar, so she's gonna have to really try to keep her alliances tighter. Listen more, talk less. And as for Colton, well, he deserves to be pointed at as the guy no one wants to trust. If he has learned a thing or two in the past year or so, let's hope he uses those lessons. Again... more listening, less talking.

Tyson, during HvV, ended up getting himself voted off. He was told how to vote and had he stuck to it he would have stayed and guess what...Russell would have been voted out! Bet he won't make that mistake again.

RC got effed by befriending Abi. Who knew the b1tch was gonna become a b@t-sh1t crazy paranoid?! And obviously, everyone learned not to be friends with Abi. Artis? Pete? Lisa?
Honestly, RC played hard and from the very beginning too. I think she'll be saavy enough to turn her game around this time.

Rupert is a character and stands ZERO chance of winning. He has shown that he remains completely unaware of how "annoying" he can be. Like Phillip, he will be delusional right up to his demise. However, it should be noted that during All-Stars, it was him with Jenna, Amber and B'Rob in the F4. And had Jenna not really thought he could win, she would not have chosen to go with the Marianos. I also credit B'Rob for talking her into believing she had a chance against him and Amber versus against Rupert. But whatever.

and finally...
Aras, to me, was a great winner. He managed to somehow keep together crazy Shane, demented Danielle and crazy Cirie.
Those 3 were VERY strong players and keeping their 3 strategies focused was a mountainous job. Good for him listening to Cirie, great on him for keeping Danielle for trust and good on him for keeping Shane as the target/goat.


It's gonna be interesting with the family/loved ones twist. Going into this game (or any game) as a pair instantly creates a target for 1 of them. And that strategy will never disappear even when the game turns individual.

Overall, I think the returnees will be the first targets of each couple. I also predict that there will be some initial One World targeting.

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53. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
I think people will target the better player/bigger threat of each pair and/or the previous winners. This season, if the cast is as spoiled here, doesn't have the wackjob potential of most of the last several casts, but it definitely has characters and could be a better season. I'll be interested to see how BB12 winner Hayden hacks the much greater physical rigors and more intense scheming and backstabbing of Survivor.
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I think Kat is more capable of learning from her past mistakes. She showed it in her jury speech. Colton -- not so much.
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56. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
Well, Rupert already won his million in the one and only million dollar Player With the Biggest Fanbase award. If he'd had a head for the game he and Jenna would have voted for Amber at F5 in All Stars, she ties with Big Tom and they boot her on the revote.

Gervase was lazy in S1 as part of his strategy, he did not want to be thought of as a big threat. At least that's what he claimed. He's older now and his metabolism has probably changed.

Colton is someone for whom I have no respect. Granted, it could have been just a side of his personality came out in One World, a different Colton than the one known by his friends and family. If that Colton comes out again he's doomed. (If he got some therapy in the meantime, got in touch with himself, can control it now, maybe he'll turn out to be someone I can like.)

The men from One World in general were a pretty hopeless bunch. Taking that first IC win when Kourtney broke her wrist was just about the only smart decision they made as a tribe.

Glad to see RC again, she is game savvy at least. She got her game blocked the first time by a mean trick and Abi turning out to be a spitfire, so she learned some hard lessons. (On the other hand, because she didn't get things her way RC at the Ponderosa proved she's someone who just can't let things go, she's probably still nursing that grudge.)

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57. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
If he'd (Rupert) had a head for the game he and Jenna would have voted for Amber at F5 in All Stars, she ties with Big Tom and they boot her on the revote.

Well, at the time I can understand some of the reasoning behind an Amber vs. Tom boot decision coming down to Tom being the ultimate choice. For Jenna and Rupert, Rob was the biggest threat and Tom was the next biggest. (And for Tom, choosing between Amber or Jenna would come down to Jenna as well). His actual choice. And the person that Amber suggested he Tom vote for. Without the hindsight, it's impossible for either one of them to know that Amber was going to be received as the "nice guy", Rob played the same game he did in Redemption just with a much more bitter jury. He WAS the guy to beat and he was winning immunities.
But it does say something against those players that do not take into account the Jurors perceptions when they were voted out. Kathy and Lex were beyond furious that Rob (through Amber) had promised them longevity and gave them bootation instead. Bitterness reigned supreme, a little bit like this last season did as well.

Gervase was lazy in S1 as part of his strategy, he did not want to be thought of as a big threat. At least that's what he claimed. He's older now and his metabolism has probably changed.

Well, judging by past returnees, outside of Cochran and Dawn (and Coach during SoPathetic) their gameplay does not change much, if at all.
Sure, it can be less annoying this time, or it can be more harmful the next but basically the same.
Gervase will be "lazy" (and openly judgmental of his fellow tribemates) and will only make it to merge if there are enough weaker people to either give him a bigger target area to work within (China/Gabon) OR grab the weak together and make a move on the strong (Marquesas).

Colton is someone for whom I have no respect. Granted, it could have been just a side of his personality came out in One World, a different Colton than the one known by his friends and family. If that Colton comes out again he's doomed. (If he got some therapy in the meantime, got in touch with himself, can control it now, maybe he'll turn out to be someone I can like.)

Me either. And worse for me is that he is "technical-family". As if straights are proud of every member of the straight community...sheesh.
I stand by my assessment that Colton spends waaay too much time thinking about how he thinks about things.
Not 1 iota of that time is spent thinking how others might perceive him during his breakdown/tirade/strike/avowal/etc.
I mean... Even Dogs can perceive how others might interpret their motives. Proving that they can wait until you aren't looking (or even if merely the lights turn off) to steal your sandwich.
Colton cannot help himself. He will take your sandwich from your mouth and blame you for eating in front of him.
He also has a very low-gauge filter between brain fart and mouth diarrhea.

The men from One World in general were a pretty hopeless bunch. Taking that first IC win when Kourtney broke her wrist was just about the only smart decision they made as a tribe.

Kudos to that. And if I remember correctly it was Troyzan and Jonas (and Jay) whom were most vocal about taking that immunity.
Whereas the rest of the season they guys listened to (or cowered to) the opinions of both Tarzan and Colton. Giving them more power than either deserved.

Glad to see RC again, she is game savvy at least. She got her game blocked the first time by a mean trick and Abi turning out to be a spitfire, so she learned some hard lessons. (On the other hand, because she didn't get things her way RC at the Ponderosa proved she's someone who just can't let things go, she's probably still nursing that grudge.)

Luckily, it's a grudge she won't have to be carrying in this game. Oh she'll be nervous about making strong alliances in the beginning (which could also spell doom) but she won't have to worry about a situation similar to her's and Abi's ever again. The biggest thing about next season is that every one of them is going out there with 1 person they KNOW will not backstab them. Only 1 but enough to stop them going crazy. (Like Brandon)
That is a feature of all newbie seasons that I like. That you NEVER know if the person you are choosing to trust is trustworthy enough to save you.
I am excited to see what RC can do when not confronted with Hurricane Abi and rather plays with along between Pete/Artis and Michael/Lisa.
She was playing the game. That is for sure. But how does someone prepare for someone like Abi (or Brandon (mikayla) or Phillip (francesca))?


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58. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
Colton cannot help himself. He will take your sandwich from your mouth and blame you for eating in front of him.

To me, one of the saddest parts of this concept was seeing the picture of Colton's SO and having the following choices:

A. Someone was stupid enough to date that.
B. Someone else is just as ignorant and bigoted.
C. A & B combined with the option to add an even more depressing D later.

I'd currently bet on those two as the ones Most Likely To Backstab Their Own Partner. Twice.

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Tina must be in her fifties now so I fear she'll be out first again. I hope she can show she knows how to play to all the young viewers that missed her game in the Outback but I doubt it'll happen.

According to Burnett, Gervase was the only player in Borneo besides Hatch to understand that the key to the game was to surround himself with people that would never vote him out. If he gets in the leading alliance he will be one to watch.

Laura is probably the best decision here. She was playing a great game in Samoa until production filled Russell's pockets with idols.

Monica is so much like Laura that I can only think she was casted because she brings a "celeb" husband. Why not Taj and Eddie instead?

Tyson could be funny but he'll probably only be heard when he talks about his HvV demise.

I'm glad Aras is back. His personality was drowned in all of Casay's craziness but I liked his game.


I found Kat to be an interesting character. She would have been dangerous if Kim hadn't ended her game so abruptly.

I am not happy to see RC again. She's really only a young version of Sherri. Someone that thinks is better than the others and played much too hard much too soon. Sherri was lucky that Laura and Matt flipped. RC was lucky that her tribe dominated.

Rupert and Colton? I'd vote both off now if I could.

ETA: Looking at this again, I feel that if the Survivors are on one tribe and the relatives on the other, the women will dominate the men because they are much more game savvy. Tina, Laura and Monica should get along and Tina and Laura are very good alliance makers. Kat could join in so they would need only one or two guys to run with it. Of the guys there, Aras, Tyson and Gervase are the most likable and the most athletic so they'd fit in well. I'd be glad to see it evolve that way because it would mean a quick exit for Poopert, Colton and RC.

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69. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
Tina is now 52, that's not so old. Lisa was older and made it to the end of the game in Philippines.

At Fever they are postulating that Gervase will actually be playing with his niece not his nephew. Well, even the best source spoilers get things wrong at times, that would fix the uneven gender mix.

I hope Tyson learned his lesson, when you have a solid plan in place stick to the plan.

Kat is good casting, her taking life for all its best one day at a time attitude is perfect for playing Survivor.

I'd have to disagree about RC being a younger version of Sherri, though I get why you say that. RC knew her game had taken a hit, tried to work it out, Sherri just forged ahead with delusional expectations.

Rupert proved in HvV that he doesn't care about the game so much as he cares about recharging his celebrity.

I'll give Colton a chance at redemption, not really expecting it will happen.

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70. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
>Tina is now 52, that's not
>so old. Lisa was
>older and made it to
>the end of the game
>in Philippines.

Lisa turns 50 a week from today, was 48/49 during filming last year....but yeah, age is no obstacle if you've got game and alliance mates on your side as Benedict Tina had during her first go-around.


>Kat is good casting, her taking
>life for all its best
>one day at a time
>attitude is perfect for playing
>Survivor.

Agree, I'm curious to see if Kat will do anything differently this time around. She clearly was immature during her time in the game but I was really struck by the tone she displayed during the final jury questioning as she really sounded like she "got it" then.


>I'd have to disagree about RC
>being a younger version of
>Sherri, though I get why
>you say that. RC
>knew her game had taken
>a hit, tried to work
>it out, Sherri just forged
>ahead with delusional expectations.

Wasn't too crazy about RC but she's way ahead of Sherri, no question in my mind, in terms of ability to play the game.


>I'll give Colton a chance at
>redemption, not really expecting it
>will happen.

Not holding my breath. KKKolton knows exactly why he's brought back to play again.

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72. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
My only issue with RC is her laugh. I don't mind her always wanting to talk strategy and I know she's eye candy for some but when she laughs, I want to stick a fork in my ear! Most annoying laugh ever.
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75. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
What about her attitude at Ponderosa? Didn't that show us the real RC? An insufferable control freak who thought she did no wrong.
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LAST EDITED ON 05-24-13 AT 10:46 PM (EST)

I don't care one bit about what people do or are like outside of the game, we've seen people worse than RC in real life but that didn't change our opinions about them within the game. Brian, Dicque, Jenna L, just to name a few who got into legal or moral trouble outside of the game but that didn't stop fans from clamouring to have some of them come back to make another appearance. So RC was loud and annoying in Ponderosa. Who cares?

ETA: And I find KKKolton to be infinitely worse than RC because of his crass, racist attitudes that he displayed IN the game. I'll take RC over him or any of the Hantzes by a country mile.

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It is worth noting that RC is a control freak, though. It did get annoying at the Ponderosa, but that aspect didn't show in the game. Pete didn't outplay her because she was annoying but because he wanted to be in control.

Playing with her father creates a unique dynamic, children defer to parents. She has the game experience, of course. They could be a strong control freak pair, we'll just have to wait and see.

I thought Colton was extremely ignorant in some ways. He made a claim that racism doesn't exist in the affluent circles with whom he associates, as if they have attained some sort of perfection. But he fell into some attitudes (expressions) which exposed the fact that he had clearly been around some of it enough that it affected him (even if he wasn't fully aware that there were racists around him in his life). There's homophobes in affluent society as well, how he could be that ignorant is something that is difficult to believe.

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84. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
What if he wasn't ignorant but was playing to the cameras? His comment that his maid was black sounded so much taken out of a bad comedy that I think it was a line he had prepared for the right occasion.
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85. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
Playing ignorant for the camera? Because he thought it was funny? Because he knew how it would look?

Nah. Colton wanted to impress the whole world with his game, when he got into a position of power it went to his head and he thought he could do no wrong.

It's ignorant any way you cut it.

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It would be ignorant but in a different way. I think his goal was to get airtime more than winning the game so, if that was the case, he certainly got what he wanted. He didn't expect to be in power so that could have gone to his head but, from the start, he was playing the diva role.

Considering Colton had no problems socializing with Sabrina and Alicia, I think his hate for Bill came mainly because Bill was a professional comedian. Colton would have been afraid of being upstaged if Bill had stayed longer.

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83. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
You are right that what people do outside the game doesn't really matter but RC was STILL involved in the game. She was a juror. The season ends at the reunion and the first reason I had to hate Hantz was his reaction when he lost to Nathalie. Before that, he was just a clever player that didn't understand how the jury works but the reunion showed that he was a sore loser and a dumbass. Likewise, RC was a sore loser.

Kolton and the Hantzes are worse than RC, no doubt but that doesn't make her good. I'd take many, many women over RC.

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80. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
My only issue with RC is her laugh. I don't mind her always wanting to talk strategy and I know she's eye candy for some but when she laughs, I want to stick a fork
in my ear! Most annoying laugh ever.

I couldn't agree with you more! One can only hope she heard herself during the replay and decided to tone it down a lottle.


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61. "Resurrection Island...err..."
Redemption Island is rearing it's ugly head again. Or so says a recently retired BeatleBum. (Spoiler for both S25/S26)

Let the wave of strong emotions follow...

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62. "RE: Resurrection Island...err..."
It figures since its the only way Poopert can win. Voted out, win last duel, win a couple of ICs, get in the F3. Problem is he was never that good in challenges!
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Ug. Even if not true, this is a statement about the problem of Probst as showrunner; namely that he can't just test one new twist at a time, he has to find a way to sink it if he can. One World was a twist worth trying, for example, but then they had to go and divide the tribes initially by gender (a tried and true twist, granted), which meant having a tribal swap and separating the two new tribes for awhile, totally messing up the entire experiment. Too much tinkering (nevermind the casting issues).

BvW on merit is either an interesting variation of the fans v faves format for mixing returning players with new players, or it introduces a new untested format for mixing returning players with new players (even without the relatives angle). Throw in redemption island (a nearly universally loathed twist) and guess what -- no tribal swap, the nature of the twist itself basically forbids it.

The fans v faves format practically demands a tribal swap. If it is this format with RI, how will production resolve the conflict? The new mixed format could go either way insofar as tribal swaps.

The sad part is that Probst won't listen to anyone until CBS puts its foot down.

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64. "It Begins"
Found that thread, lot of crying and cussing out Probst.

Found another post from BeatleBum (different thread), he was told filming of S27 would begin (has now begun) May 19. This conflicts with another who spoiled May 22. Anyway, it's either going on now or will be shortly.

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65. "RE: It Begins"
I tend to believe the 19th was the start date. It gives them exactly a week to get everyone down to Cagayan , make final casting choices and begin filming.
The shooting schedules run Sunday through Saturday and they almost always begin filming on Mondays (aside from a Sunday start for Philippines), but have never begun on a Wednesday.

If it wasn't the 19th (which coincides with the Sunday start for the first of the back-to-back filmed seasons (Philippines/Caramoan)) then it will begin filming today. Monday.
The 22nd just makes no sense at all.

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66. "RE: It Begins"
Makes sense. Start Monday 20th AM in Philippines, it is still Sunday 19th PM here.
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67. "Confirmed"
LAST EDITED ON 05-21-13 AT 01:01 PM (EST)

http://www.interaksyon.com/entertainment/after-caramoan-survivor-us-edition-shoots-new-season-in-cagayan/

A source familiar to the production told InterAksyon on Tuesday that the 27th season of the award-winning program — officially called “Survivor: Blood vs. Water” – is currently being shot in secluded areas of Cagayan Valley.

The source said the CBS production will wrap in August but declined to specify the locations for security reasons.

However, a Facebook post on Monday by the tourism page of Cagayan North said the cast and crew led by Emmy Award-winning host Jeff Probst are “now taping in Palaui Island, Anguib, Poso Robo and Gotan”.

The post also said “the new season will feature returning survivors playing against their family members and loved ones”.

The wrap in August must mean back to back filming of 27 and 28 with a break in-between to get the 27 cast home and the 28 cast in and prepped and take care of some other things.

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68. "Weather"
Looking up the nearest forecasts I could find to Palaui, looks like the first week's weather has highs in the 90s, lows in the 70s. Cloudy, chances of rain most days.
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77. "RE: Weather"
http://www.wunderground.com/weather-forecast/PH/Cagayan_De_Oro.html

This was the closest station to the island I could find. Over the weekend, highs in 90s, lows in 70s. Chances of rain, 40% to 60%. Chances of thunderstrms.

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78. "RE: Weather"
LAST EDITED ON 05-24-13 AT 04:56 PM (EST)

Hi dabo! I just wanted to tell you that Cagayan de Oro is not the same as Cagayan Valley. In fact, the two locations are geographically very far apart from each other. Cagayan Valley is in the northernmost part of the Philippines; Cagayan de Oro is in the southern island (Mindanao). If you want to look at Palaui Island, these locations would be a much better benchmark. In the image below, Palaui island is just off the coast of Santa Ana (#28).

http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=aparri

http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=buguey

http://www.wunderground.com/weather-forecast/PH/Calayan.html

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79. "RE: Weather"
Thank you! I guess I should have dropped Cagayan out of the "weather philippines cagayan palaui" search. But the "weather palaui island" searches weren't any good at all.
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87. "RE: Weather"
Wow...the closest I got to Cagayan was in the town of Pagudpud, Ilocos Norte back in March 2013.
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88. "RE: Weather"
LAST EDITED ON 05-27-13 AT 08:57 PM (EST)

This week, early in the week chances of thunderstorms. Then overcast with chances of thunderstorms back again on Saturday.

Highs in the 90s, lows in the 70s.

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89. "RE: Weather"
Yep, typhoon season has finally arrived after a very dry summer. Most of the weather reports indicate that it's the central part of Luzon that is most likely going to take the heaviest rainfall. Expect most thunderstorms to happen during the afternoons and late into the evening.

Two news tidbits I'd like to share. A week or so ago, a Taiwanese national was killed by the Philippine Coast Guard. The foreigner was suspected of fishing illegally within Philippine waters. Major backlash has since occurred, with reported incidents of violence against Filipinos living in Taiwan, and a sudden drop of incoming tourists from the country. This is interesting because Palaui is very close to Taiwan, such that they actually get Taiwanese radio stations.

Also, http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/regions/05/27/13/8-elite-cops-killed-cagayan-npa-ambush

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90. "RE: Weather"
I don't know what to make of that report as far as the show goesd, except that increased security would be needed, and probably less cultural stuff as a result. Damn shame if they have to pull things in even more than planned.

As far as the weather goes, it seems to be pretty much the same everywhere except the northernmost islands, at least so far.

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92. "RE: Weather"
Over the second weekend, more of the same, highs predicted in the 90s and lows in the 70s. Some chance of rain on Saturday. Thunderstorms become a possibility again on Monday, week 3 of 6.

It has been a pretty static weather system over the first two weeks, so the players in the early game should have acclimated reasonably well.

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94. "RE: Weather"
weather week 3

Temps again remain in the 70s to 90s range. Chance of rain Monday, clear/overcast on Tuesday, chances of rain and storms Wednesday through Friday.

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99. "RE: Weather"
LAST EDITED ON 06-07-13 AT 09:24 AM (EST)

weekend 3 is predicted to be pretty much the same for temp ranges, 50% chance of rain/thunderstorms for Saturday, 20% chance on Sunday.

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100. "RE: Weather"
LAST EDITED ON 06-09-13 AT 01:23 PM (EST)

Week 4 predictions

Aparri
Monday 95 partly cloudy
Monday night 79 chance of t-storms 60% chance of rain
Tuesday 95/81 chance of t-storms 20% chance of rain
Wednesday 93/79 partly cloudy
Thurday 93/81 partly cloudy

Calayan has pretty much identical forecast with slightly lower temps

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101. "RE: Weather"
weekend forecast Aparri

Friday 91/79 mostly cloudy
Saturday 93/79 mostly cloudy
Sunday 95/81 chance of thunderstorms, 40% chance of rain

Calayan has Sunday as chance of thunderstorms, 30% chance of rain

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102. "RE: Weather"
week 5 Aparri

Monday 91/79 chance of thunderstorms, 50% chance of rain

Tuesday 90/79 chance of thunderstorms, 60% chance of rain

Wednesday 91/79 chance of thunderstorms, 60% chance of rain (90% at Calayan)

Thursday 91/77 chance of thunderstorms, 40% chance of rain (70% at Calayan)

Friday 91/79 60% chance of rain (70% at Calayan)

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103. "RE: Weather"
We've been experiencing very heavy rainfall over the past couple of days, especially at night. Here's the PAGASA (our equivalent of your NOAA/NWS) website, where you should be able to see if any major weather formations exist in the country.

http://www.pagasa.dost.gov.ph/

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104. "RE: Weather"
From what I've been gathering, Palaiu has been outside the bad weather zone. But there sure is a big mess off in the east heading north northwest. Thanks for the new link!
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105. "RE: Weather"
This is one of the reasons why I found the S25/S26 filming dates quite ideal. You saw quite a lot of rain in S25 and that was filmed earlier in the year. Just imagine filming in Caramoan in June to August, especially considering that most typhoons at this time of the year form at the eastern part of the Philippines.
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106. "RE: Weather"
Caramoan is getting clobbered right now. Somehow at Palaiu Island this year they seem to be in the sweet spot, the worst of it just keeps missing them. Went west, went east, fizzled out just south of them.

From the looks of things they dodged the bullet today, but there is a big cell in the SSW that could impact them in time.

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107. "RE: Weather"
LAST EDITED ON 06-21-13 AT 11:00 PM (EST)

final weekend

Aparri

Saturday 90/79 mostly cloudy

Sunday 91/77 70% chance of rain (Calayan chance of t-storms)

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108. "RE: Weather"
LAST EDITED ON 06-23-13 AT 08:37 PM (EST)

final week forecast Aparri

Monday 95/81 mostly cloudy (40% chance of rain at Calayan)

Tuesday 97/79 chance of t-storms, 30% chance of rain

Wednesday 97/79 chance of t-storms, 20% chance fo rain

Thurday 95/79 chance of t-storms, 20% chance of rain

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71. "Calendar"
TDT'S just posted the S27 calendar today ... And take a look at what he's got for Days 3 and 5. Hmmmm. First time we've seen that happen if he's correct with the calendar.

http://truedorktimes.com/s27/calendar.htm

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74. "RE: Calendar"
Two players voted out the first two TCs? That would work in a three tribe set-up where the two losers go to TC but with 20 players, the 3 tribe idea doesn't work.
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76. "RE: Calendar"
It'll work in the way that BB did it, voting for "pairs" to be booted.
Which may make redemption quite interesting right off the bat. The first pair to be voted out may just have to play against each other in the first redemption.
Or maybe they'll wait until 2 pairs have been voted out and will have them play against each other as pairs.
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73. "RE: S27: Preseason Spoiling"
Off topic: My system isn't working correctly and I need help, please. In post#40, at the end of my post, I used brackets. I guess I should not have done that... because now I can't see that part of my post, and I can't see anyone's post after #40. I used brackets which now I see go along with HTML tags.... and this has obviously messed up my whole viewing. Can anyone help me? (And please don't post here, because I can't see it...) Please? Thank you!
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91. "10th Best Beach in the World"
At least according to CNN:

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/417695/3-ph-beaches-make-it-to-cnns-list-of-worlds-best

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93. "RE: 10th Best Beach in the World"
Congrats! WTG! We should never have allowed you to break off as an independent country instead of continuing to be a US territory. You missed your chance to have your own quarter dollar coin, so there.

Politics is weird though. Puerto Rico should be the 51st state by now but it never makes the news.

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