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"Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
As usual, please keep all discussion of the show in this thread until it has aired on the West Coast. I'll attempt to report on the activities of the latest bunch of ninnies, though I'm terrible at doing it with my smartphone. I do hope others will be contributing.
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 RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... PepeLePew13 09-14-11 1
   RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... emydi 09-15-11 61
 RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Flowerpower 09-14-11 2
   RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Brownroach 09-14-11 18
       RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Estee 09-14-11 27
 RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... PepeLePew13 09-14-11 3
   RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Estee 09-14-11 9
       RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... frankz 09-15-11 57
           RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Flowerpower 09-15-11 58
               RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... dabo 09-15-11 59
           RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... emydi 09-15-11 62
 Season 23: Survivor South Pacific..... Flowerpower 09-14-11 4
 RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Brownroach 09-14-11 5
   RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Flowerpower 09-15-11 63
 RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Brownroach 09-14-11 6
 RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Flowerpower 09-14-11 7
   RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Brownroach 09-14-11 10
   RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Estee 09-14-11 11
       RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Brownroach 09-14-11 13
           RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Estee 09-14-11 20
 RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Brownroach 09-14-11 8
 RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Brownroach 09-14-11 12
 Fun tribe vs. work tribe. Estee 09-14-11 14
 RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Brownroach 09-14-11 15
   RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... dabo 09-15-11 50
       RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Brownroach 09-15-11 60
 Back at Camps Flowerpower 09-14-11 16
   RE: Back at Camps Estee 09-14-11 19
 Brandon on assertive females. Estee 09-14-11 17
   RE: Brandon on assertive females. Snidget 09-14-11 21
       RE: Brandon on assertive females. Estee 09-14-11 23
       RE: Brandon on assertive females. PepeLePew13 09-14-11 29
   RE: Brandon on assertive females. PepeLePew13 09-14-11 24
       RE: Brandon on assertive females. Estee 09-14-11 26
           RE: Brandon on assertive females. dabo 09-15-11 52
               RE: Brandon on assertive females. jbug 09-16-11 75
                   I'm shocked. Estee 09-16-11 83
 RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Brownroach 09-14-11 22
   RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... PepeLePew13 09-14-11 30
       RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Brownroach 09-14-11 34
           RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... PepeLePew13 09-14-11 38
               Ozzy and Semhar Flowerpower 09-14-11 47
                   RE: Ozzy and Semhar Karchita 09-15-11 49
                       RE: Ozzy and Semhar Flowerpower 09-15-11 56
                   RE: Ozzy and Semhar dabo 09-15-11 53
 Camp building continues... Flowerpower 09-14-11 25
 RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Brownroach 09-14-11 28
 RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Brownroach 09-14-11 31
 The drama at camp continues... Flowerpower 09-14-11 32
   RE: The drama at camp continues... Estee 09-14-11 35
       RE: The drama at camp continues... jbug 09-16-11 78
 Bonus item. Estee 09-14-11 33
 RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Brownroach 09-14-11 36
 Post Challenge #1 Flowerpower 09-14-11 37
   Series crossover, reserve direction... Estee 09-14-11 39
   RE: Post Challenge #1 jbug 09-16-11 79
       RE: Post Challenge #1 Estee 09-16-11 84
 TC Brownroach 09-14-11 40
   RE: TC PepeLePew13 09-14-11 41
   RE: TC Estee 09-14-11 43
       RE: TC Round Robin 09-15-11 48
       RE: TC djandy 09-15-11 51
           RE: TC PepeLePew13 09-15-11 54
 Tribal Council Flowerpower 09-14-11 42
   RE: Tribal Council PepeLePew13 09-14-11 44
 Next time on Survivor Brownroach 09-14-11 45
 Next time on Survivor... Flowerpower 09-14-11 46
   RE: Next time on Survivor... dabo 09-15-11 55
 RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Blind Freddy 09-15-11 64
   RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Flowerpower 09-15-11 65
   RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Brownroach 09-15-11 66
       RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Corvis 09-15-11 67
       RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Karchita 09-15-11 69
   RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Blind Freddy 09-15-11 68
       I agree... Flowerpower 09-16-11 72
           RE: I agree... Corvis 09-16-11 73
       RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... emydi 09-16-11 74
   RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... kingfish 09-15-11 70
       RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Brownroach 09-16-11 77
           RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... kingfish 09-16-11 80
               RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Brownroach 09-16-11 81
 Recap cahaya 09-16-11 71
   RE: Recap dabo 09-16-11 76
 RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... rachelOH63 09-16-11 82
   RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... dabo 09-16-11 85
       RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Round Robin 09-17-11 86
           RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... PepeLePew13 09-17-11 87
               RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spo... Round Robin 09-18-11 88

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1. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Just thinking it'll be sad to not have Vince here in the East Coast Spoiler thread as he was often right in the mix of things posting on this thread each season, then discussing the show over on the chat afterwards.

We'll do you proud this year, Vince.



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61. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
I thought the same thing...I miss him

He was so good at this

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2. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
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I agree, Pepe. There is a very very large void here at Blows this season. Sure am missing Vince...

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18. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
I thought about Vince too.
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27. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
He's the only reason I'm watching tonight.
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3. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
LOL... Brandon just compared himself to "Hitler's nephew".

Loving the bits where several contestants explain who they are and their backgrounds so far...

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9. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
'So all I have to do is keep this shirt on for the next thirty-nine days.

...

,,,maybe I can rip my skin off.'

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57. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
I don’t think he planned his strategy very well. Even geek-boy took his shirt off. It will be become apparent within days he is trying to hide something. I think it would have been better if he acknowledged the family tie but said Russell was a distant relative, (4th cousin twice removed, or whatever) and he had never met him. But he won’t be able to hide those tats for 30 days. That will be his downfall.
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58. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
I think you have nailed it, frank.

But he won’t be able to hide those tats for 30 days. That will be his downfall.

And, it appears that it will go to fruition NEXT week!

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59. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
That better be one of them indestructible shirts.
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62. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
LAST EDITED ON 09-15-11 AT 11:46 AM (EST)

Sophie said she thought he was hiding sumpin...he's troll-lite...esp. when he was denouncing Mikayla for whatever reason I don't know...she has oobies? Did you see him looking up from under the shelter..ick


eta: Ha I didn't read below before I posted this!! The only thing that makes me pause is that in the intro Brandon is the last one shown AFTER they show the Sole Survivor Silhouette.

I think he has some legs in the game...they do only have 4 guys and he is strong so I think he will cause a lot of friction. I think Sophie may be the flip vote in the 5 person Upolu alliance if it comes to that...she has to watch out in this role though. I really like her. and Mikayla too.

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4. "Season 23: Survivor South Pacific..."
Helicopter over the water...Ozzy and Coach are returning for a shot at redemption. First confessional: Coach is back for one more shot to win with honor and integrity....Second confessional: Ozzy, didn't have the best strategy, he's matured and learned and hasn't been able to lock his hands on the million, he wants to FINISH.,....

First confessional of newbies: John, I am the most savvy, blah blah

Elyse: I'm native american the great experience of my past will impart some wisdom on me...Rick: Something about making fire and such, missed it...

Stacey: I'm 44 years old, I'm a mortician, I'm going to be nosey as hell

Brandon: I'm related to Russell, came out here to change the course of the Hantz family name...

Jiffy, they must learn to be able to adapt or they will be voted out (SHOT of SEMHAR) as she paddles....cut to music

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5. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
We start with Coach and Ozzy. Ozzy realizes he needs to change how he plays. Coach not so much.

Then confessionals:

Cochran
Elyse
Rick
Stacey
Brandon

Now they are meeting the returnees. Christine says they are temporary players. John asks Jeff to call him Cochran.

Coach and Ozzy smash eggs to get their tribe color. Blue tribe not happy to get Coach. Ozzy gets better reception.

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63. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Wanted to highlight the first confessionals.

1. Coach
2. Ozzy
3. John
4. Elyse
5. Rick
6. Stacey
7. Brandon

Will our winner be among any of these?

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6. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
They are getting advice in the puzzle section.
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7. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Welcome to Survivor South Pacific...2 more people will be joining you....who's it going to be? as the helicopter comes....the blue tribe hopes it's not Russell...he says he will never tell them his name and he shows his tatoos.... Red tribe is excited for their newcomer....they see Ozzy, Blue wnats him cause he can fish....Mikayla says Ozzy, come to us, he can fish and amazing athlete, but Coach is just out there....

Women in the front, Christine, Ozzy and the Dragon Warrior, she makes a pose, it's nice to see them....Christine says that they are temporary players, Ozzy shrugs....John, I know that the players that you really like you call by the last name, call me Cochran...your reaction to seeing them? They have so much experience and they will be huge assets to the game. He is a fan of the game, he's a huge fan and he's thrilled to see Ozzy and Coach.

2 eggs, with red and blue paint inside, Ozzy chooses first, Ozzy red, Coach blue, Ozzy's tribe is thrilled, John says he couldn't have been more thrilled to see someone to some extent idolized...Rick wasn't thrilled to see the dragon slayer, Coach does not have a good vibe from the blue tribe, that he grabbed a hold of his cheeks, he's going to need twice the amount of charm to get through the first few days,

A big HUG for Ozzy, he's received alot better from his tribe, he wanted the red tribe as they seemed like a nice strong tribe...

Tells them about being voted out and duels

First challenge, a hero challenge, Ozzy will square up vs Coach, a chance to prove your worth. Climb up a 12 ft pole, then crawl under a log, then transfer your pyramid puzzle across three tables, moving one piece at a time with the turtle on top, wins reward, potatoes and flint for fire...

Coach and Ozzy to the start....a chance for Ozzy and Coach to put up or shut up, Ozzy up and down, then digging in sand, Ozzy going for it....Ozzy is through, Coach is stuck, Ozzy working on puzzle, Coach is through, one piece at a time, can't go big on top of small, one piece at a time, Ozzy is examing the puzzle, the tribes are helping them out....Coach seems to be getting it,,,,now Ozzy has the base on the finish table, Ozzy has it going, Coach is stumped Ozzy wins!

He goes and sits right in the middle....he says that it was a tribe win, and yes, we earned it, they have Taro, and flint and a map to your new home....

Upolu, all you get is a map to your new home....down the beach to the right, Edna stops to help him....Coach likes her smile, no one else is talking to him, right off the bat he has to come face to face with his biggest fear....your going home...

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10. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
I think I'll let you do this.
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11. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Towers of Hanoi? Seriously? Huh. Is that the first time that old puzzle's shown up on the series? Good thing the tribe decided to break a rule right away or Ozzy would have been there all day: it's not easy to get on first glance, especially with the turtle counting for an extra piece.

And everyone now knows Benji's a fraud. Except Benji.

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13. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
They did that puzzle in the Shii Ann season if I remember correctly. The one they threw to boot Jed.
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20. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
To be fair, forgetting Thailand is generally considered self-defense.
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8. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Ozzy wins due to excellent support from his tribe. They get taro, flint and a map. Blue gets only a map.

Edna offers to help Coach, everyone else blows him off. He thinks he will be booted first.

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12. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Ozzy in confessional likes Semhar, wants to have an alliance with her.
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14. "Fun tribe vs. work tribe."
Because according to Ozzy, it never, ever rains in the South Pacific/Samoa/the same site as the last few seasons/wherever the @#$$ we are. The swimming is a bonding experience and an interesting social game move -- but one early cloudburst and it backfires.

Meanwhile, Benji has learned to do one thing: panic.

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15. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Christine looks for the hii. Coach sees her and her earlier comment makes her his first target.

Mark is gay, did we know that?

Dawn's control freak tendencies are coming out. Uh-oh.

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50. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Mark is gay, did we know that?

Yes, it was in bios, otherwise I would not have called him "the Gay Columbo" in the vote thread.

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60. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Ah, okay, I didn't see anything about it.

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16. "Back at Camps"
Savaii, day one, they arrive and clap, Ozzy holds up the flint, we've got the fire, Mark says we are looking up to you, this tribe wants me to tell them how to do everything, but he wants to play a strategic game, John tells them he goes to Harvard, Whitney says she's from Nashville, and Semhar starts reciting her poetry, she has confessional, she got bput on the spot and wanted to step up so they know they can trust you...Ozzy says she's beautiful when she did her poen it was beautiful, he respects her passion, he'd like to have her along side of hi for the long haul...he doens't want to worry and break their necks working too hard, let's go swimming and enjoy this. John says let's just have fun, John is opposed to doing this....he has translucent skin, really pale skin, wasn't crazy about going in the water, I'm regretting this, Elyse says it's like a bandaid, just rip it off, he looks different than everyone, there ae beautiful women, this is the 90210 tribe and I'm a zero, he bounds in to the water, does slow motion, they laugh...

Coach says that the tribe was shooting daggers and giving the cold shoulders, he had to come face to face with that fear, he says don't look at me as a threat, Christine says maybe we can talk about our occupation, Rancher, Baseball Coach, Sophie graduated 3 days ago, was a Russian major, they need to pick a location for the shelter....They look to coach for direction....

Rick says he spencs alot of time by himself...Edna likes Coach, he's a team player, he's an asset, see him correcting Albert and his chopping the bamboo....Christine is looking for firewood and goes off looking for the HII, says she doesn't need it but would like to have it....they all see she is looking for it like crazy....

Coach points it out, no doubt about it he says Christine is target number one....

Back at Savaii: Jim was so excited about the three hot girls, says he's a forensic science teacher....in confessional says he's not a teacher, but he's not telling them that....Mark says he's gay and has a boyfriend, they are all laughing....he's older and he's experiencing life without restrictions, I'm gay and if they don't like it, tough, I'm a team player. Ozzy says lets get the fire going

Dawn says they are starting to form a bond, he thought this day would end with the shelter done, Ozzy says, we'll be fine....Dawn says she's not relaxed....Ozzy says if it doesn't rain tonight, I'll be happy sleeping on the ground, and Dawn says that Ozzy is a little "Bob Marley" to me...and I'm a planner....

Back at Upolu...Brandon has a LOCO tatoo on his neck, it means crazy, I tried to act like Russhell in HS, I bullied, now I'm good, God's number one for me....

They are making progress on their shelter, they need to get the top done, she climbs up there - Mikayla is a tomboy she wants to get things done and get her hands dirty. Brandon says he doesn't feel comfortable around Mikayla the way she flaunts herself off, he grew up in the church, he's always been there for me....he doesn't want to get himself in trouble, it's not cool for him....

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19. "RE: Back at Camps"
That wasn't flaunting. That was 'It's ninety degrees and I'm working: it's this or death.'

Dawn does have a legitimate point -- no shelter of any kind on Night One is pretty much begging for it.

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17. "Brandon on assertive females."
'My deity hates strong women. He hates them so much that I shall let Him have my eyes so that He may watch. Constantly.'

...and there goes the edit.

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21. "RE: Brandon on assertive females."
Wondering how long he can keep the tats hidden.
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23. "RE: Brandon on assertive females."
Slightly longer than he hid the bigotry. If you're so weak that the mere presence of a capable female might tempt you to sin, get out of the game. And by 'game', I mean 'life'. Imagine how well his tattoos will go over in his new monastery.

I gave him a chance. S'not my fault he blew it in the first forty minutes.

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29. "RE: Brandon on assertive females."
Sophie's got Brandon figured out... she says her gut is telling her that Brandon is hiding something big. Bingo.

Keep looking... there's a pretty strong resemblance between Russhole and Brandon.

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24. "RE: Brandon on assertive females."
There sure was a fair amount of time spent on the Brandon-Mikayla stuff ... there's going to be some kind of a confrontation between these two somewhere down the road.
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26. "RE: Brandon on assertive females."
And if they both last long enough, wait for Brandon vs. Mark.

The 'Delilah' reference from Brandon annoys me, but it's also an interesting bit considering one detail: both of the returning players have long hair. Hmm...

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52. "RE: Brandon on assertive females."
My impression of Brandon right now is that he is the wimp of the Hantz family. Out there to redeem the family name? HA! I'll excuse him a bit because of his youth, but blaming the woman for showing a bit of cleavage on Survivor, oh she's tempting the bad boy in him -- dude, grow up.
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75. "RE: Brandon on assertive females."
and how has Brandon been able to watch any previous season of Survivor without seeing a bit of cleavage?
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83. "I'm shocked."
Your television didn't come with the autoblurring C-Chip?
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22. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Coach, Sophie, Brandon, Rick and Alberto (? is that his name) are bonding.

Dawn is losing it. I should change my vote.

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30. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Nah, your original vote is safe... she sure looked bad during the IC.
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34. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
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I can't decide which is the misdirection. It's 100% it will be one or the other.

Or not. Looks like Dawn is out of the running now.

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38. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
They just threw Ozzy into the misdirection mix because he's thinking that Semhar is an useful person to keep around and some are already worried about his wanting to build an alliance around himself and the girls.
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47. "Ozzy and Semhar"
When Ozzy tried to save Semhar, I couldn't help but to think that he had studied Boston Rob's "how to win survivor manual"....take a very weak player, strap to your back and carry them through the entire game....too bad it just doesn't work for Ozzy...he is NOT a politicker!

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49. "RE: Ozzy and Semhar"
He's still got Dawn in his backpack.


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56. "RE: Ozzy and Semhar"
Yes, well said, Karchita. I think Ozzy also had a confessional that said something like if Dawn can pull it together and get beyond this she could make a great ally, if not she could be toast....This made me expect Dawn and Ozzy to be connected for the rest of the show.
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53. "RE: Ozzy and Semhar"
>When Ozzy tried to save Semhar,
>I couldn't help but to
>think that he had studied
>Boston Rob's "how to win
>survivor manual"

LOL! What I thought was he learned nothing from playing the game with Poverty and was thinking with his nether brain.

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25. "Camp building continues..."
Night falls and Upolu is amazed at the stars....5 of us at the canoe talking, Coach would love to win all of the immunities....he says if you have a strong 5 you can go a LONG way, almost impossible to crack...that is why he is bring this up....Rick, Sophie, Albert, Coach, Brandon, ....nothing stronger than an alliance on day one....


Savaii, DAwn spills the boiling pot of water, day two is rocky, she didn't sleep she feels like she is going to have a nervous breakdwon, she's cramped and she's used to drinking so much water...Dawn feels old for the first time...she pulls a vine and falls, she woke up without containing her emotions, she is talking to Ozzy, she's spent, he says he knows.....Ozzy says this has nothing to do with the game, she says that the person that has the breakdown goes....Mark says they are the oldest, crying is viewed as a weakness...Mark will not desert her....Ozzy says as longas you don't quit, you have what it takes, you have something inside of you...he's trying to calm her nerves, I'm the anchor....you don't need to let it get to you, just feel it and let it go....Ozzy says let me go catch her some fish...if she gets it together than she could be a great ally, but if she doesn't get it together she very well could be going home...see Whitney seeing her cry with Ozzy, then we see Elyse see her crying....uh oh!

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28. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Semhar shows them what they can use for fake toothpaste. Brandon catches first fish. Time for IC!
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31. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Upolu wins IC. Semhar did mess up, it should be between her and Dawn. Upolu will get a clue to the hii.
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32. "The drama at camp continues..."
Davaii: Semhar is telling them to use Ash for toothpaste. Ozzy says that he will be ok, but for everyone else, it will start wearing on everone, and it already has....so he's going to build the shelter. Elsyse gives edvice to John on coconut chopping. Ozzy is a little skeptical of Mr. Cochran, doesn't seem like he has much to offer on the phusical side, he's trying to provide....John says that he's not a provider but tries to charm and humor, is that enough to keep someone around, he hopes so, cause that's all he's got.

Upolu: Brandon thinks Uncle Russell didn't have a good social game, he got a fish, so Rick brings in a 2 inch fish, he will never reveal his tats so he'll keep his shirt on forever, doesn't wnat to be judged by his uncles rep.

Sophie is thrilled as she has a good alliance, she's worried about Brandon though...

Cut to challenge:

Both tribes race through zig zag paths and then a wall then dig up a machete then chop ropes that release coconuts, first to get enough in their bag to lift the other weighted bag and raise your flag, will win...

In a addition the winning tribe will win one clue to an HII...

Coach is leading the strategy, Semhar is volunteering to shoot...Ready, go...both tribes through the paths, Ozzy flying through, everyone get to the mat before the coocnuts....Coach leading Upolu....they hit the wall first, Rick up first then Albert, Whitney up first, John can't get up....Cochran struggling, Albert pulling Brandon up, they are over, Rick is digging, Ozzy goes over, then Ozzy digs, Dawn is cheering, Richk has it, Ozzy has it, neck and neck, Rick is smoking it, and Ozzy is not, then all are up...Semhar is choking, one at a time, the other blue tribe is not missing, Semhar is not making any....no switching, she's so tired....Keith and Ozzy all score, Semhar is choking, very close, neck and neck, the bags are starting to lift, Mikayla lifts the flag....Blue wins!

Show Keith and Ozzy, one cocnut away, Semhar says sorry guys, one of the closest challenges Jeff has seen in the game....Coach gets the idol and they win flint and one more thing, hidden back at your camp is a clue to the HII, first find the clue then use that to find the HII. Semhar how are you feeling....she felt bad, didn't think that they would be that happy, she feels sorta bad...Jim is pissed...."sorta bad"....Some one will be the first person voted out and they zoomed in on Dawn and John. Jim says she chose what she wanted to do, she was adamant about doing it....blah blah blah...

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35. "RE: The drama at camp continues..."
A little too much recycling on the challenge itself and the constant resets (all players on the most current mat) got annoying fast, plus Ozzy made up a little too much time during the digging. Overall, not a bad contest, but the closeness felt more artificial than anything else. And given the sheer number of shots needed to fill the net, a lot of people were missing: the ground shots showed a lot of coconut scatter. Semhar isn't the only person at fault here: she's just the one with the worst shooting percentage. 'One away' means someone else could have made one more shot -- but the blame is the Starks reality.
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78. "RE: The drama at camp continues..."
But then, if Semhar had made just one of her shots
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33. "Bonus item."
'And the losing tribe will receive this silver platter, on which you will serve the head of your first boot.' It's feeling a little too obvious now -- but the initial kick is rarely concealed.
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36. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Semhar and Jim are at odds.

Mark tells Dawn he will not vote for her. They will vote for Semhar.

Ozzy is pushing for either Cochran or Semhar. Jim thinks that Ozzy really wants to keep Semhar. He wants her out.

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37. "Post Challenge #1"
Editing is pointing to Dawn, John, or Semhar....hmmm....at this point, I wouldn't be surprised to see Dawn go.....

Upolu: Coach notes that the other tribemates are thriving. Christine is wondering about the clue to the idol and we see many of then looking....Stacey says that the HII is somewhere she's looking and turning over rocks, probably be right in my face and won't even know it, and we see the clue sticking out of a hole in the tree that she had just looked in.

Savaii....SEmhar making excuses says that Jim made us look weak, you made faces behind my back, why call it out at the challenge? I try to be positive, you were making faces behind my back...all I'm saying as don't be too quyick to turn on someone. Semhar says that she's extremely honest, I either love you or hate you, you will know, says that it wasn't probably be too bright to turn on Jim.
Dawn and Mark are together...Dawn is hoping that Semhar will go, Dawn and Mark are talking Semhar going home. Ozzy says for this first vote, let's think hard, he wants Semhar to stay....Dawn is strong, Ozzy wants Cochran....he's not athletic....Not fair to blame Semhar, she took a chance...she's so unaware of her inablilities....Jim is scared that Ozzy will get in an alliance with all of the girls, Semhar is useless, her body is goreous but that can't factor in in a million dollar decision....He tells her she's got to go and do some politicking...he's going to go ask others who will you vote for me or him? Keith...Jim tells Cochran that he's on the block. He says his achilles heel is my insecurity...he goes and talks to Mark, he's on high alert, paranoia mode. To be the first one kicked off, this is insulting....He says it was a dream but now it's a night mare....TC tonight will suck....I'll be sent to RI like an idiot....he's really paranoid, it's "not a comedy show"! HA!

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39. "Series crossover, reserve direction."
and we see the clue sticking out of a hole in the tree that she had just looked in.

Sentient & gentlebeings, The Invisible Clue Tree.

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79. "RE: Post Challenge #1"
Ozzy wants Cochran....he's not athletic.
I am always amazed that the physically weak are looked at first to be booted. They never mention the person's other possible strong points.... there WILL be more puzzles. Wonder if Cochran is any good at puzzles? & if so, why we didn't hear him talking that talk?

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84. "RE: Post Challenge #1"
Apparently he A. did just that at TC and B. lied about having any skill in that department.
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40. "TC"
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Semhar is being disparaged. Cochran is also discussed. Here comes the debate. Cochran is clearly going to win this.

Semhar votes for Cooochran.

He votes for her.

Vote tally :

C
S
S
S
S
First boot: Semhar.

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41. "RE: TC"
Cochran
Semhar
Semhar
Semhar
Senhar
Semhar

See ya, Semhar. Enjoy Redemption Island, you'll love being alone there.

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43. "RE: TC"
The harder Cochran proves himself to kill, the closer I'll come to calling him Cockroach.
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48. "RE: TC"
Estee, that brings back some old school memories. I went to school with a kid whose last name was Cochran, and his nickname was Roach.
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51. "RE: TC"
The name John Cochran reminds me of Johnnie Cochran, the lawyer from the OJ Simpson Trial. And he's going to Law School to be a Lawyer as well.
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54. "RE: TC"
Yeah, that's been discussed elsewhere. There's also a Jim Rice (namesake's in the baseball Hall of Fame), a Rick Nelson (country music) and a retired NYPD cop with the surname Caruso. Add in Hantz being a recycled Survivor name and you've got plenty of interesting names here.
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42. "Tribal Council"
I think that Semhar will go....Jim, Mark, Dawn, John will all vote for Semhar. I think that Keith or one of the girls will also vote for Semhar.

Hear the rattle snake sound, they light their torches with fire, fire represents your life...last one seated is Semhar. Is there any talk about redemption island....he asks Dawn....how bad did it get on the first 2 days...she lost confidence because nothing is the same here as it is at home, I cried, and I never cry. I confided in Ozzy, it's kind of like I had the flu and now it's gone.

Elyse says that Semhar is also worried. Jim says that he is a competitor, hates losing, and she went out there and she lost. Whitney says that she was glad that she didn't lose it, she could have done it but she was so confident that she could do it. Ozzy, would you rather play with someone that has the guts, or play with someone that says better you than me....stand up guy. Dawn who else might be worried...maybe Cochran, based on strength. He knows the rationale, look at me, I moved through the net like a humming bird....what happened up the wall? Mark says call me pappa bear...for 2 seconds he got confused, he hesitated, was it fatal? No, just go, don't stop, sometimes you need direction. Semhar isays it's a slight relief, it's just a matter of votes at this point. Cochran wants to interject....he thinks that Semhar, he's nervous right now, Semhar stands by the pot for 10 hours a day, it's not strenuous...I'm an eager student, Ilearn it once and then I do it, that's my instinct, to be even a possibility to be the first one voted off is mortifying, I'll be your genie in the bottle, my eyes are open, I don't think that Semhar has that passion for this game....I think this works against you....Keith says that there is a small window to get to know people at this point in the game...

Pappa bear, you are up....Semhar votes Cochran...she's sorry and hopefully this will make you step up even more. John votes Semhar, you've questioned my intelligence, I can't take it....Ozzy votes...

Tally...

Cochran
Semhar
Semhar
Semhar
Semhar
Semhar! First one voted out!The tribe has spoken. YOu will have a chance to get back in this game. Ozzy says he should have taught her to make a fire....John leans over to Dawn and says thank you....

I think that they all voted for Semhar....except of course Semhar...

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44. "RE: Tribal Council"
Yep, looked from the reveal during the final words that each of the other 8 members voted for Semhar.
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45. "Next time on Survivor"
Cochran reinvents himself as a hard worker. Brandon reveals himself to Couchebag.

Semhar hates her tribemates.

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46. "Next time on Survivor..."
Next time on Survivor:

Cochran is at the bottom of the totem pole so he reinvents himself as a working machine, chopping coconuts, "the new Cochran doesn't follow mommy's advice.....See Brandon and Coach walking and Brandon's secret weighs heavy..." I felt like I was being dishonest with Coach, which awakens the dragon slayer ...."I think that he has demons....there's going to be an ##### whooping"

Semhar was so upset because her tribemates lied to her....she doesn't understand how people can be so cold hearted, as she cries at RI.

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55. "RE: Next time on Survivor..."
Will Semhar become the first quit on Redemption Island? Please please please let that happen, ruin the nonsense right at the start of the season.
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64. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
We'll see if this newbie here can get the post at the bottom where it belongs...

Gordon Holmes from Xfinity TV was onsite for this epsidoe and did cast interviews etc...Anyway here's a link to his recap article.

http://xfinitytv.comcast.net/blogs/2011/tv-news/%E2%80%98survivor-south-pacific%E2%80%99-recap-coach-sent-to-the-bench/

He included numerous 'behind-the-scenes tidbits which might illuminate the darker corners of SEG editing. I've included them below.
From Gordon Holmes - Xfinity TV
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Behind-the-Scenes Tidbit: The Savaii raft must’ve gotten stuck on a reef or something because they were stuck out there for about twenty minutes. Hilarious.

Behind-the-Scenes Tidbit: Probst made the suggestion that if someone was really passionate about his tribe, that he’d smash the egg against his forehead. Neither guy took him up on that.

Behind-the-Scenes Tidbit: This puzzle took forever. As in for-ev-er. And, Probst had to describe how the puzzle worked a dozen times. It was ugly.

Behind-the-Scenes Tidbit: One of the challenge producers told me that Coach was super close to making a move that would’ve given him a huge advantage over Ozzy, but he got confused and used the wrong tactic.

Behind-the-Scenes Tidbit: While I was at the Upolu camp I followed Sophie and Coach when they wandered off. They weren’t discussing specific strategies but they were talking as if they hoped to work together in the future.

Behind-the-Scenes Tidbit: During our visits to the tribe camps, Upolu was getting along much better than Savaii. Upolu seemed to do things as a tribe, while Savaii was split up with some people working on projects while others were just hanging out around the fire. Upolu also had a shelter up much quicker than the Savaiians.

Behind-the-Scenes Tidbit: The press’s exhibition running of this immunity challenge was so violent that they changed the rules so players couldn’t return to the beams after they were out.

Behind-the-Scenes Tidbit: Every “Survivor” challenge is edited to make it look like a squeaker. This one required no such editing. My heart was pounding through my chest.

Behind-the-Scenes Tidbit: Mark had about a dozen bear-based nicknames picked out. Probst finally made him decide on one for fear of too many nicknames confusing the folks at home.

Another Behind-the-Scenes Tidbit: Tribal Council goes on for about two hours. Half of this Tribal Council was spent with Cochran making the case for why he should stay in the game. He was driving everyone nuts. What’s worse is; it was clear that everyone wanted Semhar to go. But the fact that his name was even brought up sent Cochran over the deep end. Whitney and Keith were going out of their way to let him know he was safe, but he just kept on talking.

Behind-the-Scenes Tidbit: Probst totally called Semhar as the first boot on day two.
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65. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
LAST EDITED ON 09-15-11 AT 03:25 PM (EST)


Wow, very enlightening, BF! Thanks so much for posting. The thing that stuck out to me was During our visits to the tribe camps, Upolu was getting along much better than Savaii. Upolu seemed to do things as a tribe, while Savaii was split up with some people working on projects while others were just hanging out around the fire. Upolu also had a shelter up much quicker than the Savaiians.

I'm not surprised as the newbies would be looking to the returnees as experienced and leaders, especially in regards to camp building. Clearly, Ozzy has never been a real leader. He doesn't feel comfortable with it, and fares much better as a side kick to someone else who has a plan and knows what to do with it. That's why he succeeded so well in Cook Islands. He really floundered until he became one of the core Aitu 4, where his athletism pulled the underdogs through, and he could shine as provider. His problem is that he needs to know when to cut loose his partner, because he'd never win with his partner sitting next to him, imo. He had Parvati to call the shots in AllStars. And she knew when to cut him loose.

Ozzy is a love child, hippie-type. Dawn pegged it when she called him a little too "Bob Marley". Maybe they could form a tight bond where she could be in charge of the strategy and he could win challenges and provide....don't know if Dawn is any kind of mastermind, BUT Cochroach sure is. Would LOVE to see these two pair up. He needs to make a proposal to Ozzy, imo.

In contrast, Coach is a leader. He was excellent walking around and encouraging them all and making corrections in a constructive way, as he did correcting Albert on how to chop the bamboo, from an angle instead of straight on. He's a coach. I think they will all be receptive of him until they don't need him anymore. And, let's face it, there is more than one alpha on that tribe.

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66. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Half of this Tribal Council was spent with Cochran making the case for why he should stay in the game. He was driving everyone nuts. What’s worse is; it was clear that everyone wanted Semhar to go. But the fact that his name was even brought up sent Cochran over the deep end. Whitney and Keith were going out of their way to let him know he was safe, but he just kept on talking.

If this is true I wonder how savvy this guy really is in terms of Survivor strategy. He may have seen every episode and know tons of Survivor trivia, but this sounds like he does not know how to read people or situations at all.


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67. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Yeah, that was my thought too. I think he's going to last a while based on editing, but I am wondering if he's a just before a surprise merge boot.


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69. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
He might know the strategy, but the question is if he can apply it while actually playing the game. My first impression is that he is too insecure and emotionally needy to do very well. He sounded like Woody Allen last night.

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68. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
LAST EDITED ON 09-15-11 AT 06:12 PM (EST)

Here's an additional behind-the-scenes recap of Cochran at TC from Dalton Ross over at EW.
http://tvrecaps.ew.com/recap/survivor-south-pacific-premiere/

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Tribal Council! Oh, lordy, this was a doozy. Tribal Councils go on for much longer than what we end up seeing on the show, and this one went on forever! And the longer it went, the worse things started to look for John. You got a taste of it on TV, but thankfully only a taste because it was difficult to watch. He kept talking in circles and repeating himself while not really offering any compelling reason to keep him around other than a vague promise to "get better." (He also told them they would need to keep him around for when they had puzzle challenges, although he informed me before the game that he was worried everyone would think he was a puzzle guy because he looked so nerdy, when he was actually very bad at them. Uh-oh.)
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72. "I agree..."
I agree with the sentiment here. Watching Cochran in action was a severe let down. While I thought he was indeed humorous, I can't see anything that he really offers to the group. His arguments were horrible...."I'm a bigger fan, I'd be mortified if I was the first one voted out....etc." He has shown no strategic thinking at all. In no way shape or form did he validate his worth to the tribe, imo. And, Keith was right, there is really a very small window to prove yourself to the others.

So WHY then, does Jiffy refer to him as the most strategic and smartest player they have EVER had? Really? More so than Stephen Fishbach? Penner? Hatch? Yul? I know that Jiffy likes to embellish, but, really???

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73. "RE: I agree..."
He said that!? That's strange. I wonder if the story of the season will be Cochran's redemption. Loses it first episode, everyone thinks he's useless, but he turns it around?


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74. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
LAST EDITED ON 09-16-11 AT 11:15 AM (EST)

Check out the Jiffy video at end of Dalton's recap, it's great. He talks about Cochran and possibly Ozzy taking him under his wing. He did work with Yul...


Gup, the press just stay the 1st episode and then go home.


Then the questions answered by Jiffy

http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/09/15/jeff-probst-premiere-survivor-south-pacific/

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70. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
So, they let the press wander thru the camps? And watch the live challenges? Naive of me maybe, but what with the tension over spoiler leaks, that really surprises me.
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77. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
They usually have some press hanging around for at least the first few days.

And as far back as Season 2, Entertainment Tonight showed a clip of a Day 7 challenge that clearly revealed which two people had already been eliminated. They've never seemed too concerned about early-game spoilers.

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80. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
All this time I never knew that. Maybe that's where what's his name got the beef jerky in Australia.
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81. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Yes, that was Kel, he was clearly absent from the Day 7 challenge.


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71. "Recap"
I'll be doing blog recaps of Survivor for the first time this season, with the premiere recap here.

It doesn't drip with too much snark, but that one photo of Brandon espying Mikayla from behind the leaves is totally creepy!

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76. "RE: Recap"
Very good. Enjoyable recap.
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82. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Hello! Just wondering if anyone can tell me how much information is spoiled this season, please? I don't want to know what *IS* spoiled, I just want to know if nothing is spoiled, or the whole jury is spoiled, or what have you...? Each season, I debate if I want to know or don't want to know... Thanks! Happy Weekend!
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85. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
As far as I know there are no leaks this season. Some cast information leaked out, though.
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86. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
I wouldn't have expected a lot of leaks this season. Next season, which will have been over with for around 5 months before they start showing it, might be leaks galore, and there might be more leaks on this one later in the season. But this one had only been done for a little over 2 months when it started airing,and the crew probably just got back from doing the next one, so there hasn't been much chance for stuff to leak out.
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87. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
There weren't any boot leaks last season either, with a longer gap in between filming seasons.
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88. "RE: Survivor 23 Ep 1 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
If there were none for the 2nd season of the pair, I certainly wouldn't expect any for the 1st season of this pair. I think they probably have the leaks plugged for now, but they won't stay plugged forever.
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