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"E8 Title - 'This Game Respects Big Moves'"
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"E8 Title - 'This Game Respects Big Moves'" |
'This Game Respects Big Moves'
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03-30-11, 07:49 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: E8 Title - 'This Game Respects Big Moves'" |
Now that I think about it, That does indeed sound like a Rob Quote. I don't see a quote waiting ALL THE WAY until the challenge or tribal to be said during the episode.
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03-30-11, 08:19 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: E8 Title - 'This Game Respects Big Moves'" |
Phillip just mentioned making a big move at the duel in tonight's ep. Rob is onto him. Looks like that's what this will be about.
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Which must mean that maybe Zap goes to TC tonight if the quote continues into next week.
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03-30-11, 09:18 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: E8 Title - 'This Game Respects Big Moves'" |
It is, as per the preview. And the RI duel winner rejoins the game.
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8. "RE: E8 Title - 'This Game Respects Big Moves'" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-30-11 AT 09:27 PM (EST)>>> And the RI duel winner rejoins the game. That's what I've been expecting. The loser of the duel should be out of the game completely. It would be unfair to have one person get two shots. This would be a perfect time for a double boot to replenish RI for Ep 9 duel, but there's never been a true double boot post-merge. What they could do, I suppose, is make Ep 9 two TC cycles. The first one would not have a duel, because only the Ep 8 VO (voted off) would be on RI (similar to Ep 2). The second cycle would feature the Ep 8 VO and the first VO of Ep 9. Then in Ep 10, the winner would duel the VO of the second Ep 9 TC, and so forth. 
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03-30-11, 11:33 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: E8 Title - 'This Game Respects Big Moves'" |
kingfish,
RI continues. We learned about RI from the filming call sheets that were left in a hotel room or something for Days 34 and 35. There is a duel at F5. So we know that.
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20. "RE: E8 Title - 'This Game Respects Big Moves'" |
The call sheets by themselves could have been a plant. I'll have to check the RI Spec thread, isn't there a link there to Probst or MB saying something about RI lasting 36 days?
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46. "RE: E8 Title - 'This Game Respects Big Moves'" |
Wow, very cool Travel Queen!
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LAST EDITED ON 03-31-11 AT 06:32 PM (EST)Thanks for posting this, VG. Obviously the main blurb is referring to Matt (I'm not even entertaining the notion that Sarita will return). The former tribes have big plans for one castaway who has the potential to change the game. Meanwhile, this same castaway grapples with the decision of whether to make the powerful move This implies that the former tribes are going to stay intact, with the exception of one person who is a question mark. I could see both former tribes having "big plans" for Matt, if they both try to woo him. But joining up with the Zaps is not a powerful move for Matt if he does it by himself -- all it serves to do is even up the numbers. And Matt has expressed no disloyalty to Ometepe. Phillip could be the one contemplating the move. We know he wants to take down Rob eventually. Loree proposed a scenario in which Phillip infiltrates the Zaps to get intel. Phillip may try to act as a double agent, and then ultimately have to decide which way he's going.
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15. "RE: Press Release" |
A few episodes back we were shown the encounter between Andrea and Phillip, when Phillip told Andrea that she was the best worker of the Ometepe girls and that he felt more of a bond with her than anyone else on the tribe.During that same exchange he also layed out his plan for the three of them to create an alliance when Matt returned to the game. Phillip appeared to think he had an agreement with Andrea...Andrea may not have felt quite the same way. That scene foreshadowed Matt's return to the game and set the stage for a potentially "bold move" by Phillip, Andrea and Matt, if they can get together and cooperate. The editing at the duels has also set the stage for Andrea's dilemma of how to relate to Matt...I think her jealousy will fade and she will reunite. We could potentially be face with three alliances: Ometepe: Rob, Grant, Natalie, Ashley Zapatera: Mike, Steve, Julie, Ralph, David Outsiders: Phillip, Andrea and Matt
Phillip, Andrea, and Matt could sit back and let Ometepe and Zapatera target each other while their voting block of three can go back and forth picking off old Omes and old Zaps until those three have the numbers to take control.
David could also make a "bold move" and team up with Matt thereby taking control of Andrea and Phillips vote as well... The merge will be fun to watch!
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17. "RE: Press Release" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-31-11 AT 08:48 PM (EST)
Great thoughts there, Krautboy! I'm with you. I have had a feeling it would not be a straight pagonging all along. I think the end game players this season are definitely going to be worthy. It should be great fun to watch. That's why I think confessionals, counts and analysis, are helpful this year. It seems as if Mike has been the major narrator for the Zap tribe, and as a major competitor, I look for him to be an early target, along with Steve.
And, btw, thanks so much for posting the Misdirection clues this week, VG! The winner of the Redemption Island Duel reenters the game only to find themselves in the middle of a merge, Obviously, I think this is Matt. "This Game Respects Big Moves" — The former tribes have big plans for one castaway who has the potential to change the game. The former tribes, Zaps and Omes have big plans to entice Matt, the RI winner, to join with them and vote with them... Meanwhile, this same castaway grapples with the decision of whether to make the powerful move Meanwhile, Matt, the RI winner, grapples with the decision of whether to make the powerful move.....could be with Zaps, or could be with Phillip and Andrea...but, do we really think that Andrea would join forces with Phillip....would she trust him? I think Andrea is definitely too timid to do a big move like this, and I think that Matt is still too naiive to. I think they will have to ponder what exactly to do....in the beginning, as Krautboy suggests, I think they will talk, but vote along Ometepe lines, until they are more secure as a group. If David were to join up with them, they could indeed be dangerous, but, would Phillip be the second fiddle to David...I don't know? As we all know, he's such a loose canon! I agree, it will be fun to watch. I am excited to see how David reacts to the events to come. I am so glad it was Sarita this past week... ETA: Just was reviewing the Insider transcripts that James Barber transcribed from ep 7 and noted this comment by Matt. It pertains to his thoughts and frame of mind: I definitely think I'm gaining a lot of strategic points from everyone that comes to Redemption Island. Stephanie offered up a ton of info on her tribe that pretty much inside information." (cut) "Judging by what she said about the people that they are, I think I'd like to stick with my own Ometepe tribe, but you can't judge a book by what just a few people say; you have to find out for yourself. She definitely provided me with some valuable information. From a strategy standpoint I feel like I'm probably in the best spot in the game, knowing pretty much what both sides are doing. What's interesting is that Matt is getting sour grapes from all the bootees...let's see how he assimilates all of this info...I suppose his prior relationship with Andrea and what her assessments are will carry alot of weight with Matt.
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Thanks VG!
>The winner of the Redemption Island
>Duel reenters the game only
>to find themselves in the
>middle of a merge, ON
>"SURVIVOR: REDEMPTION ISLAND," WEDNESDAY, APRIL
>6
Matt finds himself in the "middle" because he's being pulled from multiple directions. >
>"This Game Respects Big Moves" —
>The former tribes have big
>plans for one castaway who
>has the potential to change
>the game. The Omes and Zaps vie for Matt's vote Meanwhile, this same
>castaway grapples with the decision
>of whether to make the
>powerful move, on SURVIVOR: REDEMPTION
>ISLAND, Wednesday, April 6 (8:00-9:00
>PM ET/PT) on the CBS
>Television Network. Matt will be presented with a plan to make a "powerful move", but "grapples" with his decision. Who has the plan for the powerful move?
Rob, Phillip and David are the likely candidates here. What are the possible powerful moves?
Flushing either idol would be a powerful move.
Changing the balance of power, by flipping to the Zaps and voting out a former Ometepe would be powereful.
Forming a new alliance seperate from the old Ometepe or Zapatera. Does Matt decide to make the powerful move?
Matt appears to be safe. If he is content with the Ometepe tribe and trusts Rob, he doesn't have to do anything this week and can decline the bold move offers. If he decides to align with Phillip and Andrea, that move would be more passive and not described as "bold". If he doesn't trust the tribe that blindsided him before, he would have to make the move now, in order to have his move even up the numbers.
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Yep, that's what I am thinking too. Since we're talking about this over here instead of the vidcap thread, I'll repost my thoghts here:Talking about jumping and all that made me take a look at the alliances right now and see what's there. We have Ometepe: Rob, Ashley, Natalie, Grant as the core four with Andrea and Phillip as numbers five and six. We have Zappy: Steve, Mike, Ralph, Julie and David. We have Matt (I'm assuming he comes back in the game). As Matt looks at things, it makes no sense for him to align with Zappy as that creates a tie vote. His best bet is to stay quiet, vote with the majority, and make inroads with people as the two tribes fight for the upper hand. If he's smart (and that's a big if admittedly), Phillip won't jump ship either at this point for the same reason. Even if he got Andrea to jump with him, it makes no sense to be the bottom two of a seven person alliance. They're better off as five and six in the Ometepe alliance. If I were Phillip, Andrea and Matt, I'd wait until there were two Zappy's left and then form a five person alliance that gets rid of the Ometepe Four. Probably with Julie and David since Steve, Mike and Ralph will be the targets first. Of course, if I were Rob, I'd take out two Zappys (Mike and Ralph?) and then get rid of Phillip or Matt. Now this all assumes everyone's going to make a smart move (at least I think they're smart moves...), but of course we know Survivors make bad moves all the time!
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LAST EDITED ON 04-01-11 AT 06:06 AM (EST)The former tribes have big plans for one castaway who has the potential to change the game. Meanwhile, this same castaway grapples with the decision of whether to make the powerful move I agree with tribe's point that the Zaps have no cause for hope with Matt.
Problem with Phillip as the "one" and the "same" castaway here is that only one of the tribal factions i.e. the "former tribes" would be likely to have "big plans" for Phillip. The first part of this teaser doesn't fit Phillip, and both parts of the teaser are about the same player. Nor does it fit very well if Phillip's "potential to change the game" involved flipping. Big plans on both sides suggests that both sides have somewhat the same ambition for the player -- almost certainly to recruit him. Ometepe isn't going to recruit Phillip because he already belongs to them. Matt is a big piece to capture for either tribal faction or the minor alliance at Ometepe. Matt's allegiance has the "potential to change the game." "Grapples" is a word often used for people of faith who are wrestling with some demon or thorny ethical problem or temptation. Specifically, Christ grappled with Satan in the Wilderness. The writers seem to be embracing the spiritual tropes when it comes to Matt. I am sure Phillip is capable of using the term grappling, but it doesn't work as neatly as it does with Matt emulating his Lord's path. (I think someone in the game might say this.) You've got to figure that this whole plot could last about five minutes once they get back to camp. Maybe ten. Then Matt makes his choice and they move on to the question of how to flush out Ralph's idol. I could see Rob saying the title quote.
It would be a big move to hang on to his idol. It's possible that Agent Phillip would go into enemy territory and pretend to defect so as to gather intel on what the plan to do with the idol.
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04-01-11, 12:12 PM (EST)
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37. "RE: Just another thought......." |
But Phillip would frontside him about it. The others would get together behind Rob's back. Whether they do or don't, Rob won't ever know for certain.
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41. "RE: Just another thought......." |
I also think this could come back to bite Rob, and it would be Grant who would feel played. They are relocating to another camp for the merge. I think that they are told to bring everything, so they guess it is the merge, which blatantly gives Rob a head's up from production to go unbury his idol and bring it with. He has a very short window of time to share with Grant that he has it. Will he think to do so? Rob hiding the clues from everyone has become a running gag, but it certainly could come back to bite him. I don't see any need to set it up with Grant confessionals. It's obvious where Grant's head is at -- team player. There's a long history in Survivor of allies getting upset when they realize that an ally is playing an individual game in advance of the point they have agreed it's every man for himself. That's exactly why Matt got bounced. It wasn't even true, but out he went.
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44. "RE: Just another thought......." |
The easiest explanation (though utterly false) would be that he didn't want to risk blabbermouth Phillip knowing and letting Zap know, so he told no one and kept playing as if he hadn't found it.
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52. "RE: Just another thought......." |
They do seem to have time away from the rest to "stumble onto" a HII. Rob, at least, was away for some time for the crispy brown rice conflict to occur, so concocting a story, and having his secret fun with us the viewers, for "these amateurs" should be quite easy.
It is JeffP's Grant might vote him out if he realises Rob betrayed and fooled him that seems omnious. Wonder if Grant only knew about the clue swap that Rob did after it was televised or did he smell the parchment and realised there is no coffee smell.;)It would be epic, if Rob wins immunity, know Zaps are targeting Grant, hands it over to Grant before the voting, throwing the Zaps to have a knee jerk reaction to vote for him, then whips out his HII before the vote is counted. Pure speculation here. We do know Rob is a calculated risk taker and entertainer and he is having his fun playing with the amateurs.
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55. "RE: Just another thought......." |
Rob will keep his Immunity Idol Hidden from the others until he is forced to use it. I don’t believe he has any intention of sharing it with his tribe or alliance. He is keeping it to protect himself.While the previews show Rob as a target, he is probably not as vulnerable as the editors would lead us to believe. He just needs to make sure someone else gets one more vote than him. Even if the five remaining Zaps vote for him, he is in a good position to organize six or seven votes for one of the Zaps. So unless he sees things starting to fall apart, he will probably not feel the need to play his idol this episode. The bold move may be as simple as choosing not to play his HII at TC, and betting on his ability to control the others in his alliance. The other unique aspect of this week’s TC is potential for up to five immunities to come into play. Rob and Ralph’s HII, a male and female Individual immunity, and possibly immunity for Matt as the returnee to the game.
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34. "RE: Just another thought......." |
Yeah, I could see a 'crazy' TC as sort of a pea-and-shell game to guess who has the HII and who to vote for. Especially if Rob or Ralph win immunity... this would be a crucial vote, and it would be all about information control. My bet is on Ralph not using the HII smartly, or at least getting outsmarted.I think the Zaps are in trouble, looking at the people, and at the editing. The only player that would be likely to flip, according to foreshadowing, would be Phillip, but his story of conflict last episode seemed to be resolved with him being good with the tribe (the confessional with the immunity idol and the last confessional at the reward). That, to me, bookended his tumultuous 'tribal' time in Survivor and brought resolution that he was solid with his tribe going into the merge. Matt, for reasons others have stated, won't flip, and nobody else on Ome has been shown to be dissatisfied with anything other than Phillip. Alternatively, the Zaps have been infighting for several episodes. All this leads me to believe that there will be a Pagonging, straight up, long term. For the short term, this means that a Zap gets eliminated this time. For me, the most likely way for this to happen would be if Ralph wins immunity (or even if he doesn't) and the Zaps try to figure out who the Omes are targeting, and the Omes try to figure out who the Zaps are giving the idol to. If it's all about information control, and there are 2 perceived 'fencesitters' (Phillip and Matt) that the Zaps are trying to woo, I could see the info control favouring the Omes. And if they found out who the Zaps were targeting, they could use Rob's idol as an insurance policy (they could split their vote so a Zap will go regardless). That might be the 'big move' that the game respects, as it would be a much smaller move for Rob to keep his secret (which would be his ace up the sleeve in the individual portion of the game, once his own tribe starts to target him). So, my spec is that the title quote is either Rob deciding to play his idol (even though it's maybe not necessary or in his interests, it's a big move and the game respects those), or it's Matt coming back and resolving with Rob (ie. 'hey, I voted you out because you were too dangerous at that point', 'well, the game respects big moves, Rob'). Either way, I don't see this going well for the Zaps.
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35. "RE: Just another thought......." |
I agree, the Zaps will get Pagonged. Phillip may go first, then the Pagonging, or Phillip may be worked into it somewhere. Rob cannot want this whackadoodle on the jury, whether he thinks that important enough to whack him soonest I don't know.
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50. "RE: Just another thought......." |
Correct, the loser of the Matt-Sarita duel will be the sixth elimination. So it may be too late to eliminate someone to prevent jury poison. If not it soon will be. (And with the Redemption Island twist even if it isn't too late it may not work out.) Meaning, if he is concerned about jury composition, this boot may be his best last chance to make that move.
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51. "RE: From Full (Web) Promo" |
Call sheets validated, and I thought we'd have to wait until the episode aired to find that out. Okay, good. Thanks! Still nothing on the first individual immunity challenge, so the duel winner probably will participate.
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