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"Kenny -- hate 'em"
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We need a little bashing on the bashers' board!Honestly, I was mostly ambivalent to the scrawny little rat until I read our wonderful host here's interview with Charlie. In particular this little tidbit: Reality TV World: Were you aware that you had angered by stealing his Immunity clue during the feast? Was that a calculated move? Charlie: I wasn't aware that I angered Kenny. I knew that when Randy, Susie and joined Kota on Day 10 they let me know that Ken, behind my back, had called me "homo" and "fag." So I knew it wasn't gonna be smooth sailing with Kenny but I didn't realize that I had rubbed him in such a wrong way that he really despised me in the way he did. I only really got to know him for about three hours, and in that whole three hours I might have exchanged maybe 10 sentences with him. I didn't get to know Kenny that well, so I'm surprised that he had such animosity based on so little. Oh, so classy, Kenny. Listen. First of all dude, blatant homophobia on reality TV is reserved is soooo 2002 (Big Brother being non-canonical, of course, as those contestants would bring down the average in every department). I know you may be the coolest guy in your World of Warcraft virtual world or perhaps even the coolest guy in mom's basement. I know "ur a fag" passes for high wit in terms of YouTube comments and such. But in this little sphere called real reality, most of us know such snipey little bigoted remarks are pretty much the only way for you to feel better about your assuredly poor social standing among actual breathing human beings. So I'll pity you, my dear, but I shall never regard you as anything more than a loathsome, petty, small-minded worm. Oddly enough, I was no big fan of Charlie, but I think it's worth pointing out that the "homo fag" whipped your butt in pretty much every challenge we've seen. Actually, EVERYBODY'S whipped your butt in every challenge we've seen, except, perhaps, the inexplicable Olympian. Heck, I'll bet Chet of the last season could tear you to bits in steel cage match. At the very least, this little insight into your character has shown us why you've never had any luck with the ladies outside of a desert isle scenario. But no worries. I hear Anita Bryant's pretty lonely these days. Lotsa hugs!  
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11-17-08, 01:27 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Kenny -- hate 'em" |
I vote that for the rest of the season, we substitute 'inexplicable Olympian' for Crystal's name at every opportunity.I have only two problems with what Charlie's relaying here, one minor, one major: Minor: He's fairly bitter.
Major: One of his primary sources for the name-calling was Randy. I'm not exactly willing to give Kenny the benefit of the doubt here, but trusting any story with Randy as a primary source with Susie as backup makes me a little uncomfortable. Dan (the third party in the relay) would be somewhat more reliable, for a given value of 'reliable' that equals 'hey, wanna go dig a hole in the surface of the water?' On the whole, I believe this happened -- but having Randy involved in any part gives me a queasy feeling at best.
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11-30-08, 10:18 PM (EST)
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Completely avoiding the whole "discussion" below, I'm going to side with Estee on this one. You look at the sources, you got someone who has said several arguably bigoted things on the show (Randy, specifically with "sasquatch", "posse" and "gang" as referring to Crystal/GC), Dan (who is the most reliable of this, but one of the few people on the outside of the Onions and who may or may not have had the HII, need to fit in/give dirt), and Susie (see Dan).I don't doubt it would happen, but I may doubt that it actually did. Of course, Marcus was the one comparing Kenny to a drug abuser, so character assassination here isn't exactly a one way street. I guess it's a choice of the words
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11-18-08, 09:44 PM (EST)
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I'm on board with a little Kenny bashing!I don't get the love for him. I don't like the blatent lies he's telling and his personal vendetta to oust Charlie was pretty immature. If Charlie hadn't noticed the clue, someone else would have. Kenny could never have pulled it off. I didn't like him before I read about the gay bashing, and that pretty much sealed it for me. I hope a snake eats this rat! 
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11-20-08, 00:50 AM (EST)
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I agree. I can't stand Kenny. His long fingernails are creepy. I just can't understand why Jeff thought we would all like him.
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11-28-08, 01:52 PM (EST)
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The majority over at Sucks seems to love him.
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I do hate Kenny, and Crystal, and Susie.
So much so that I would rather root for Randy and Corinne, neither of whom are nice people ... but at least they're capable of working together to win challenges, have brains, and are articulate. Kenny is such a dweeb.I'm still trying to figure out how in an end game cast that has Kenny, Crystal, Susie, Sugar, Randy, and Corinne ... Jeff called out MARCUS as the arrogant one. (Marcus and Ace) Personally I think this whole season was influenced by Jeff's burning envy of Marcus, who was considered hotter than Jeff by the girls in production camp. Or maybe Jeff is jealous because Charlie liked Marcus better than him. But Jeff has been very biased this season.
Hopefully Jeff is crushed that Sugar didn't chase him down when the show ended, looking to be the next Julie. 
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11-27-08, 11:06 AM (EST)
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>I didn't get to know Kenny that well, so I'm surprised
>that he had such animosity based on so little. "Based on so little"??? I dunno...I think tripping over his toungue and standing in a puddle of drool everytime he is in the presence of Marcus may qualify as more than "so little". If it was a case of Charlie just acting feminine but never making reference of his sexual preference to anyone or not pursuing another male castaway like a lovesick puppy and Ken making an assumption based on his femininity and calling him "Homo" then shame on Ken and he has every right to be bashed. By calling Charlie "Homo", Ken is stating a fact made obvious by Charlie himself. Maybe I'm over-analyzing but I don't see an issue with that. It would be no different than a female castaway acting skanky an shaking her a$$ in front of everyone at every opportunity and being refered to as a "Ho". Or that pretty boy in Guatemala (I forgot his name) who couldn't stop talking about how many women he scored with and the size of his girlfriend's breasts being rightfully called a disgusting, pathetic pig. Not that I consider Ken an alter boy... but Charlie is just the gazillionth example of a booted player crying sour grapes and I personally don't see this as fodder for Kenny bashing.
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11-27-08, 07:01 PM (EST)
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Ken, behind my back, had called me "homo" and "fag."You conveniently forgot to mention Kenny's use of the word "fag," but that's perfectly understandable since that would force you to grapple with the intention of Kenny using both words, "homo" and "fag." Nobody calls somebody a "homo" and does it without trying to denigrate that person. I think you probably know that, despite the verbal gymnastics to justify Kenny's derogatory comments. 
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11-29-08, 07:19 AM (EST)
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22. "RE: Kenny -- hate 'em" |
Hey LFJ,The key word in your post/question is appears. If someone "appears" to be something and another "assumes" that individual to be what it appears and he/she criticizes that person based solely on appearance or assumption, I would consider that dead wrong. For example there have been lots of eye candy and beautiful women casted for Survivor, and many were not promiscuous in any way. Now even if men who had no control over their libidos may be drooling all over them, for someone to label those women "Hos" or "sluts" based on appearance is wrong. Conversely you did have players such as Perv-ati and Sarah (Survivor 4) who skanked their way through the game. If those castaways are labeled "floosies" or Hos" then I feel their promiscuous actions held them accountable for their criticism.
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11-29-08, 10:44 AM (EST)
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I personally have never been caught up in the specific words used by individuals. Although some may appear harsher than others, I focus on the what that word means and if two words give the same indication, then it's the same in my mind.Gotcha. So Crystal is a nigger. Susie sure looks like a beaner, but I don't know if she is really a spic because she might just have a good tan. Were there any other wetbacks on this season? I know that Kenny is a slant, but he could be a chink too. I'm not certain if there were any kikes on this season, but I didn't see any towelheads. I'm sure you see nothing wrong with any of that paragraph.
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11-29-08, 01:03 PM (EST)
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LAST EDITED ON 11-29-08 AT 01:09 PM (EST)I guess my problem is I know enough bullies and abusers who always manage to find something about a person to be the reason they were provoked into saying or doing whatever it is they do to their victims. I agree that people should take responsibility for how they are being and that if one consistently gets the same negative feedback or label from others over and over they might want to take a look at why the generate that response over and over. It just sounds like you say those that say critical things are not responsible at all for their world view or their actions. They can't help it. If only everyone around them would just behave the way they decide other people should behave every second of every day they would never say or do anything critical ever again. There is responsibility on both sides, I can't just blame the one most likely to be labeled as the victim for what happened to them. Like I said, one does have some responsibility for how one presents oneself to the world. However, everyone that responds to someone is also equally responsible for their interpretation of the events and how they express (or if they express) their disagreement with what is going on. That critics/bullies/abusers can't help themselves is something I can't agree with, and it seems that is what you are arguing. That most if not all the responsibility for the "bad words" is the person that those words are used on. ETA: I quickly picked up on the fact that once I was targeted by the bullies in my school nothing I could change would take me off the list. I mean after all it is my fault one of the syllables in my name rhymes with ho and mo, I should have been smart enough to pick different parents, or something. I learned early on some people apparently need to belittle others for their own self worth. I really figured out pretty young that being who I was happy being regardless of what labels people put on me was better than trying to change myself into someone I was not just so the people that can't survive the day without picking on someone would find another victim and leave me alone.
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11-29-08, 02:33 PM (EST)
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LAST EDITED ON 11-29-08 AT 02:40 PM (EST)In the workplace (mine, anyway), this type of behavior is referred to as "horizontal violence". It is not a behavior typical of critical thinkers. I think the use of the word "violence" is apt in describing how people attack others with words. Personally, I would rather be beaten senseless by "sticks and stones". Meanwhile, getting back to Kenny; if he did, in fact, make those comments - "...me'thinks the lady doth protest too much". ETA: Kenny being the "lady" in this case.
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11-29-08, 04:02 PM (EST)
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>It just sounds like you say
>those that say critical things
>are not responsible at all
>for their world view or
>their actions. They can't
>help it. If only
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>second of every day they
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>anything critical ever again.
For the record I NEVER used words like "responsible" and "justified". I was speaking purely in general terms and simply stated that I UNDERSTOOD someone's use of derogatory terms in reaction to actions initiated by the object of the criticism.I agree with your wish for everyone to just behave. Actually I have always been an advocate of getting far away of an uncomfortable situation and if a person's actions disturbs you then don't ever associate with that person and/or situation. But as stated before this is not possible in a controlled enviroment on a Survivor set. I even went so far as realizing everyone is different with their different opinions by stating (and I quote)... "TO EACH THEIR OWN" Sadly posters like Mr. History Buff and his sidekick Mr. Monogram are taking this on a personal level. They are extracting choice words to initiate confrontation and in the process totally missing the points of my posts. But I think we all know how this is going to end. A moderator will come in and give a canned speech about how "it doesn't matter who started it" even though clearly this personal joust was initiated by Mr. History Buff. Then EVERYONE will be reprimanded and we'll have to cut off this thread which will suit me just fine. I'll repeat my sentiments...To each their own. Other posters should take that advice.
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11-29-08, 01:34 PM (EST)
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Hardly a "gotcha".I meant "Gotcha" as in "I understand your convoluted point now (and think it is asinine)," but considering your casual relationship with the meaning and intention of words in the English language I can see how you took it otherwise. the real issue I was raising that if individuals through their actions bring criticism upon themselves, I can understand why something derogatory would be said So, if somebody engages in an attitude or behavior that you do not like, then that means that you are justified in using derogatory and loaded words to describe that person. Gotcha. I understand your convoluted point now (and think it is asinine). Considering what we have seen out of Crystal and G.C. this season, they really are niggers. G.C. seemed to be about the niggeriest nigger that MB could find in his quest to outnigger Dreamz. (It's OK folks. This language is acceptable because those individuals "bring criticism upon themselves." I'm not ignorant or offensive in using those words. It's all G.C. and Crystal's fault for acting like such niggers.)
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11-29-08, 03:51 PM (EST)
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Homo and Fag are derogatory terms to denote a person who goes out of their way to act gay where the actions are directly related to one's sexual preference.I'm afraid that I do not know what it means to "act gay." I do know that several people I know have been called "homo" and "fag" when they did not do anything to warrant anybody taking any special notice of them, except leading their everyday lives. As for Charlie, I don't think that he went out of his way to do anything. I think that Charlie was simply being Charlie. That you refer to sexual preference rather than sexual orientation does suggest something about either your exposure to or comfort level with homo fags. (Wait, am I allowed to use those words to describe an entire community? Or are those words only acceptable if each and every gay person did something to bring those words upon themselves?) Nigger is a derogatory word used to suggest that somebody took a specific action because they belong to a specific racial group. G.C. was certainly stupid and lazy and he quit even after having things just handed to him --- and Crystal cannot seem to do anything right except be loud in her ghetto mama way. Sounds like a lot of nigger action going on to me. I am both interested in and afraid of your reaction to outfrontgirl's comments, considering your "he had it coming" mentality. And I am breathing a sigh of relief that you were not on a jury associated with the Matthew Shepard case.
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11-29-08, 04:24 PM (EST)
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LAST EDITED ON 11-29-08 AT 04:29 PM (EST)No, according to me all of those are stereotypes associated with African Americans. I do not hold those stereotypes, but many people who have think it is acceptable to use the n-word to describe people think that it is acceptable precisely because they "brought it on themselves" by exhibiting those characteristics. Having stereotypes is in no way related to rational thought. Some people even think it is possible to "act gay," for instance. (ETA: Just out of curiosity, what kind of behavior would somebody have to exhibit in order to make it understandble that somebody else would refer to him or her as a nigger? Your whole argument hinges on the fact that it is supposedly understandable that people would react this way, so what kinds of actions or attributes could legitimately cause such a reaction?) I feel very sad for you that you would insinuate or outright make that claim in your post. If you had any familiarity with these boards in general, you would realize that my posts have contained hyperbole and sarcasm to make a point. They have not expressed my feelings about African Americans. Of course, if you had any familiarity with these boards in general, you would also realize that it is proper to refer to me as "Dr. History Buff" rather than "Mr. History Buff."
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11-29-08, 04:47 PM (EST)
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As for your backpeddling on those racial sterotypes...nice save Doc!You're exactly right. I am a racist who really believes all of that. I voted for Obama because I am a racist. I teach courses on slavery in America and the Atlantic world because I am a racist. I worked on PBS's "Africans in America" series because I am a racist. I did consulting work with the Program in African American Culture at the Smithsonian because I am a racist. Congratulations. I've managed to hide my secret racism from all the professionals I have worked with through the years, but you have sussed out my true racist feelings on an internet message board. Head. Wall. Repeat.
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11-29-08, 02:25 PM (EST)
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A lot of good examples here trying to explain what's wrong with these words, but IMHO all this verbiage shouldn't be necessary.Homo and fag are both homophobic slur words that occur in hate speech. They are unacceptable words amongst people who are accepting that human beings are diverse. Unacceptable. Charlie's actions have zero to do with it. If Kenny wanted to note that Charlie was "gay" he should have said gay, which is the term Charlie himself would use to describe his orientation. Even Randy got that, and Randy is no model of political correctness. I think the best defense one could make of Kenny's word choices is that MAYBE he is ignorant that those words belong to hate speech. I wouldn't have thought it was possible not to know that, but here is this exchange in this topic ... but more likely Kenny is just ignorant, prejudiced, and needs to put others down to feel good about himself. I'm not surprised he's threatened by Charlie, who is not even 30 and working for one of the top ten law firms in the world, not to mention being fit, handsome, articulate, educated, and able to function in a team and play Survivor without being miserable. So many reasons to envy Charlie ... poor Kenny.
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11-29-08, 04:18 PM (EST)
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And just to add insult to injury? Charlie still has a better chance of getting the girl.
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11-29-08, 04:49 PM (EST)
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AHHH but Ken is still in the running for the $1,000,000 prize...so that may change in a couple weeks. LMAO
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LAST EDITED ON 12-04-08 AT 01:52 PM (EST)Wow. I missed this whole discussion. But let me just say, Aruba, that perhaps if you had ever had that word used toward you at any point in your life in a situation with a propensity toward violence, you might be a little less forgiving of it. "Fag" is not an insult toward Charlie. It's an insult toward an entire group of people that Charlie happens to be a part of, and its use in that context is not acceptable. Ever. And it speaks very lowly of any scumbag who would use it in such a context. Homo and Fag are derogatory terms to denote a person who goes out of their way to act gay where the actions are directly related to one's sexual preference. No, they are not. They're used indiscriminately to degrade anyone who is gay. And I'm still not sure what going out of ones way to act gay is. If I buy a Madonna album off Amazon, does the UPS guy then get the right for a quick bonus "fag" shout when he drops off the package? Or is that just worth a "homo"? Or do I have to add in a Cher album for it really to be worth that?
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11-29-08, 10:06 PM (EST)
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45. "RE: Kenny -- hate 'em" |
I find it fascinating that Ken and Charlie were only on the same tribe together for a couple of hours and all this discussion that has been generated based on what Charlie was told others told him about Kenny (which I don't doubt is the truth), particularly since part of Ken's game has been making things up and lying about other people as if that makes one a master of manipulation, a strategy so full of holes past masterminds at the game would have devoured him as an afternoon snack for no particular reason except he would have been easy prey.
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LAST EDITED ON 12-03-08 AT 12:17 PM (EST)I agree with Dabo. It's fascinating how some "I heard, he said so and so..." can generate the kind of passionate debates here and for something said by someone who has been doing a lot of name calling himself (that we have seen - read Sasquatch, Posse etc.) and has been on the receiving end of it (read Troll) most of which have been largely ignored. I would much rather bash people based on what I have seen on the show and read in their interviews than on second or third hand information. I have no love lost for Kenny (and shame on him if he did say them) but I can't get myself to hate the guy who's been playing the cards dealt to him pretty successfully up to now. Maybe he does get his comeuppance soon as Jiffy suggests and I will be cheering along but only because he overplayed his hand and became too confident in his position. But definitely not for this. What I do take exception with are the people like Corinne (in one of her confessionals) who denigrated Sugar based on her being a waitress and not having a college degree or not having a white collar job. Well, she sure did a heck of a better job than that lawyer dude in finding the HII. 
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p l a c e h o l d e r t e x t g o e s h e r e - p l a c e h o l d e r t e x t g o e s h e r e - p l a c e h o l d e r t e x t g o e s h e r e -
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